Guild Wars 2

I m playing with my dear Mesmer for some months.
More Warriors = More easy kill

Could have a lesser cd…

What about this: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fgAQNAsfWl4zipHVzoGb9IypHQnzNdoUcdgXJF82FC-TsAgyCuImRNjbGzMyZszMEZJyMCA ?

ahuba.6430:

why is a thread with such stupid trait swapping suggestions getting so much feedback?

Because can also turn PU build viable (personally i think is viable) in tpvp without become OP?
Was an error suggest to bring Deceptive Evasion to adept tier, but change Desperate Decoy for Empowering Mantras still allowed.

selan.8354:

JETWING.2759:

silentnight warrior.2714:

selan.8354:

JETWING.2759:

selan.8354:

Amir.1570:

Mesmers who cry about Warriors “taking less skill” are BAD PLAYERS who are all mechanics and have zero logic. Those classes are both brainless and I do agree that Warrior is the better class when you are good at this game.

However, to say Warrior is more brainless than Mesmer when those two classes spam invulnerability while cleaving is ignorant. Plain ignorant.

lol mesmer brainless? play one?try to survive the cc meta and the long cooldowns. pu is strong but its defensive and yes very annoying, but i have no problems fighting other pu builds, because i know how they move i know their cooldowns, i know which is the real mes and i know the weak spots.
btw if they use blink well thats a cooldown right there so after the first 2 invis (1 torch, 2 decoy) those are on cooldown, then massinvis long long cooldown and long animation if they use portal, well 90 sec cooldown right there. u gotta be quick and smart if u wanna be a good mes otherwise u just die …a looot!

Then i hit on the fly
But i don’t use my Decoy before the time, o wait some cc to use.

And yes, Mesmer have team weight. He can dps, distract the enemy, heal, buff and clean allies, all this in this build.

I am doing well with him, later i ll post some pictures

wat?
buff my allies, how?
clean allies?!?! with what?
heal allies? how?

can u link me the build so i get what u are talking about? im really confused right now.
and what do u mean with hit on the fly?

He must be talking about this build.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fgAQNAsaRlwzipXUTiGZ9IypHJnzNdkU0asWJF82FC-TsAg0CnIwRhjDHDOScs4M+YZxECA

I dont have many problems fighting in points with that even being a berserker. When the point is loaded with condition i usualy fight outside with phantasms, kill and then cap. Its a very good build.

This:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fgAQNAsfWl4zipHQzoGb9IipHBnvBcnUAdOXJF42FC-TsAgyCqImRNjbGzMyZszM+Y9xMCA

I am not mastered in Mesmer yet
I tried this build and did well roaming and helping team allies. But i had problems with necros

Oh are self cleanse

well this build is pretty much a support build and nothing else u got little to no power (1600power is nothing), no toughness and no condition dmg….. this build is pretty weak imo.

Isn’t a dueling build, but i am doing well with him
Is a variation of PU build, but giving some attention to team play and mobility.
If i enter in combat i can stack might to increase power and cond dmg. Also i can stack illusions to shatter (mind wrack or diversion) or let them be killed or replaced.
Actually i am using Nullfield, Blink and Decoy as utility.
- Stats isn’t all, i personally prefer skills.

I improved the build to this:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fgAQNAsfWl4zKqHVTmGb9IipHBnvBcnUAdOXJF42FC-TsAgyCqImRNjbGzMyZszMEZJyMCA
I ll change sigil accuracy for another thing.

I am open to suggestions

silentnight warrior.2714:

selan.8354:

JETWING.2759:

selan.8354:

Amir.1570:

Mesmers who cry about Warriors “taking less skill” are BAD PLAYERS who are all mechanics and have zero logic. Those classes are both brainless and I do agree that Warrior is the better class when you are good at this game.

However, to say Warrior is more brainless than Mesmer when those two classes spam invulnerability while cleaving is ignorant. Plain ignorant.

lol mesmer brainless? play one?try to survive the cc meta and the long cooldowns. pu is strong but its defensive and yes very annoying, but i have no problems fighting other pu builds, because i know how they move i know their cooldowns, i know which is the real mes and i know the weak spots.
btw if they use blink well thats a cooldown right there so after the first 2 invis (1 torch, 2 decoy) those are on cooldown, then massinvis long long cooldown and long animation if they use portal, well 90 sec cooldown right there. u gotta be quick and smart if u wanna be a good mes otherwise u just die …a looot!

Then i hit on the fly
But i don’t use my Decoy before the time, o wait some cc to use.

And yes, Mesmer have team weight. He can dps, distract the enemy, heal, buff and clean allies, all this in this build.

I am doing well with him, later i ll post some pictures

wat?
buff my allies, how?
clean allies?!?! with what?
heal allies? how?

can u link me the build so i get what u are talking about? im really confused right now.
and what do u mean with hit on the fly?

He must be talking about this build.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fgAQNAsaRlwzipXUTiGZ9IypHJnzNdkU0asWJF82FC-TsAg0CnIwRhjDHDOScs4M+YZxECA

I dont have many problems fighting in points with that even being a berserker. When the point is loaded with condition i usualy fight outside with phantasms, kill and then cap. Its a very good build.

This:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fgAQNAsfWl4zipHQzoGb9IipHBnvBcnUAdOXJF42FC-TsAgyCqImRNjbGzMyZszM+Y9xMCA

I am not mastered in Mesmer yet
I tried this build and did well roaming and helping team allies. But i had problems with necros

Oh are self cleanse

With my burst build, i not even see other warrior’s hp.
Actually a have 0 difficult against every type of warrior.

silentnight warrior.2714:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/1tr94f/tpvp_build_list_up_to_date_builds_as_of_the/

Here you can see / read the build / strength from some mesmer builds in 1 v 1 and team fights.

Thanks

I d lkd

Hum… True…

After play Mesmer for some hours, i found a build completely different.
The real problem isn’t that trait, but the easy access to stealth.

selan.8354:

Amir.1570:

Mesmers who cry about Warriors “taking less skill” are BAD PLAYERS who are all mechanics and have zero logic. Those classes are both brainless and I do agree that Warrior is the better class when you are good at this game.

However, to say Warrior is more brainless than Mesmer when those two classes spam invulnerability while cleaving is ignorant. Plain ignorant.

lol mesmer brainless? play one?try to survive the cc meta and the long cooldowns. pu is strong but its defensive and yes very annoying, but i have no problems fighting other pu builds, because i know how they move i know their cooldowns, i know which is the real mes and i know the weak spots.
btw if they use blink well thats a cooldown right there so after the first 2 invis (1 torch, 2 decoy) those are on cooldown, then massinvis long long cooldown and long animation if they use portal, well 90 sec cooldown right there. u gotta be quick and smart if u wanna be a good mes otherwise u just die …a looot!

Then i hit on the fly
But i don’t use my Decoy before the time, o wait some cc to use.

And yes, Mesmer have team weight. He can dps, distract the enemy, heal, buff and clean allies, all this in this build.

I am doing well with him, later i ll post some pictures

Qaelyn.7612:

JETWING.2759:

- Move Blade Training to master tier.
- Move Desperate Decoy to grandmaster tier.
- Move Empowered Mantra to adept tier.
- Move Deceptive Evasion to adept tier.

I’d honestly have a hard time finding a mesmer who would oppose these changes. They would quite literally enable at least 2 or 3 different builds I’ve been trying to make work where I couldn’t fit in everything I wanted.

The idea of “nerfing” mesmers by reducing the cost of Deceptive Evasion is particularly hilarious.

The great problem are stealth + AI, this itself transfer the target to summons while the user just wait them make all work. When the stealth ends, he just replace the summons and restart the circle – Mesmers, Rangers and Engineers are doing this all time in every place.

Void.4239:

JETWING.2759:

hihey.1075:

Warrior detected?

Yes!

But i can join me to stealth and AI party anytime

Seriously ? …..

Let me explain why you just failed for a big part of the pvp community.

1 ) PU mesmer = High stealth build = Pretty USELESS in " hold the point" kind of game.
=>Balanced for Spvp/Tpvp cause of stealth downside

2 ) Warrior = High almost everything build = TO USEFULL in " hold the point " kind of game.
=> Unbalanced for spvp/tpvp cause it can do to much for what he has to sacrifice.

3 ) Try building a full Bunker warrior with condition damage , and see how hard folks will have it trying to kill you. Cause that is pretty much what the Mesmer had to do to get that survivability.

4 ) Playing a warrior and complaining about a Mesmer Bunker build that cant even Hold points, in the SPVP section of the forum ……..Its just LOL

But i guess that to be expected from " Overpowered character hoppers "

cheerz LOL

1) Mesmers can hold the point after kill the invader :/ Also can support and dps even while in stealth.
3) Do not exist bunker warrior. I never saw one :/ My build eat alive these supposed bunker/regen/condition warrior in tPvP. But thanks for trying.
4) Is not only about class vs class :/ Stealth spam is one of things that can ruin this game. This trait in special (Desperate Decoy), gathers all that ruins the pvp in this game: passive play, stealth spam, AI spam and low risk/cost with high reward.

Have no E-sport with some ridiculous traits and skills (Automated Response and Desperate Decoy for example…)

Help the good gameplay in my treat about Mesmer, plz
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/Mesmer-Invulnerability-and-Stealth/first#post3434636

hihey.1075:

Warrior detected?

Yes!

But i can join me to stealth and AI party anytime

I think some traits grants very powerful reward with very low cost.
Mesmers deals insane condition and raw damage, also enter stealth and blur all time. This have no counter!
A thief enter stealth but is only one foe, we just wait he comes to counter, evade or block. When a Mesmer enter in stealth he has 3 illusions hitting the foe (hitting insanely hard). No have counter to this!

I think Mesmer could be more balanced if he need spend more point to get that near perma invulnerability and stealth.
- Move Blade Training to master tier.
- Move Desperate Decoy to grandmaster tier.
- Move Empowered Mantra to adept tier.
- Move Deceptive Evasion to adept tier.

Could be a good step to balance Mesmers and decrease invul and stealth spam that ruin the good gameplay.

Anet could increase the size of nodes and control panel to discourage cc spam and improve balance between classes (in this map)
- Point B could have 2x or 2,5x the actual size.
- Point A and C could have 3x or 3,5x actual size.
- Control Room could have 3,5x or 4x actual size.

Weak, very weak :/

Amir.1570:

The Warrior suggestions are actually plausible.

Definitely not…
Just horrible :/

My suggestions are:

- Decrease or balance the efficacy of all form of AI (actually clones, phantasm, minions, turrets and spirits are hitting harder than originals… horrible)
- Decrease or restrict the access to stealth (Mesmer, Ranger and Engineer don’t need too much stealth).
- Define a counter to stealth (could be disable and/or burn).
- Remove AoE limit (no more limit of targets, AoE affects all eligible targets on the radius)
- Balance high reward skills and traits (Mesmer for example have near perma invulnerability, extra precision, and 20% faster cd in sword skills with only 10 points in Duelling. No comments more :/ )
- Decrease or balance all forms of 100% passive gameplay (Automated Response for example… No comments :/ )
- Rework maps that benefits some classes over others such how Skihammer and Spirit Watch.

Again, sorry bad english

Arganthium.5638:

JETWING.2759:

1 – Mesmer. Impossible to kill.
2 – S/D Thief. Infiltrator’s Return need be removed from game.
3 – Thieves (other than S/D)
4 – AI (Pets, Spirits, Minions, Turrets, …)

Lol
“Teef running from me, cant 12k evicerate as eesily. Pl0x nerf”

Zerker warr is definitely the best 1v1 class. It has the highest base health in the game, the strongest heal, heavy armor, great coefs, great CC, amazing condi removal… Basically, best everything.

Zerker warriors with high armor and high health? Where? I do not even see their health

Cynz.9437:

JETWING.2759:

1 – Mesmer. Impossible to kill.
2 – S/D Thief. Infiltrator’s Return need be removed from game
3 – Thieves (other than S/D)
4 – AI (Pets, Spirits, Minions, Turrets, …)

it is already got removed kind of.. considering it has cast time now so you can’t use it while sitting in CC

.25 seconds is very low cast time to a skill that remove condition and remove the character from danger zone, not forgetting adjacent effects.
Thieves can just #2 > #3 > #3 > #2 and restart the chain again and again. They gap, steal boon and attack ferociously while walk over fire field, dodging every thing, and in the end back to safe place while remove condition, wait and choose how will kill the foe.

Bsgapollo.5364:

The Gates Assassin.9827:

Why nerf this? For some builds, this is basically the only access to stability and condition removal they have.

because some classes don’t have elite’s every 50 seconds for a full condi cleanse which does make it seem a bit unfair, wouldn’t you agree?

Some classes don’t have access to chill. Then should Anet remove all runes that affect chill?
Some runes work better in some classes, and some are near useless for most of the classes.

1 – Mesmer. Impossible to kill.
2 – S/D Thief. Infiltrator’s Return need be removed from game.
3 – Thieves (other than S/D)
4 – AI (Pets, Spirits, Minions, Turrets, …)

Actually my warrior needs that stealth and illusion spamm…

When my warrior become out of meta, i ll reactive my Mesmer. They are the ball of time

Dead Muppet.9718:

Yep MM Necro
Yep Spirit Ranger

Thankyou anet. Makes sense.

Don’t forget Mesmer. This class actually is absurdly strong with insane damage and perma invul, stealth, teleport… horrible!

Ritor.5260:

Hate this map, it is broken

+1

…………………………..

Warrior, because never will be OP like Mesmers and Thieves.

Chuck Zitto.2367:

Qaelyn.7612:

vashio.6297:

This is just to much to have for one class… and basically they can take all of these into one build which is insane.. and shouldn’t be allowed.

Please post a link to this build.. I want to play it. Thanks!

(I’m serious.)

0 10 30 30 0
Longer bleeds dogged march cleansing ire spiked armor larger banner area quick breathing banner regen. Sword/horn + longbow or hammer Utilites= zerker stance or balanced stance dolyak singet and banner of choice.

Long bleeds on sword auto attack and pin down. 2 forms of immobilize. 2 forms of stability or 1 form of 0 condition dmg taken for 8 secs and 1 form of stability. 2 forms of condi cleansing 1 of them converts conditions to boons. Constant retaliation. Shortened immobilize crippled etc… All while regening 500+ hp per second passively depends on gear or trinket if spvp. Cleric gear for example will net your around 800 hp per sec with the banner down.

I have seem some of these supposed bunker warriors (with cleric gear), and all that does are run around banner without attack.

- Oh! Lock my regen how are quickly!
…
Useless! Are helpless and requires one more team player to DPS, one balanced player holding 2 opponents, outnumbering foes in other 2 nodes.

The circle is ok according adrenaline level.

evilapprentice.6379:

JETWING.2759:

The Good
- New Heal Skills (except Water Spirit and Signets, all them absurdly powerful)

Again, I’m curious, how is Skelk venom absurdly powerful? Outside of a single spec (venom share) its demonstrably worse than Withdraw and Hide in shadow in nearly every other realistic scenario. Even in a venom share build, you need great coordination to share the venom with enough people to make it worthwhile (and even then, it’s powerful thanks to 3 traits, not on its own)

- Some traits (….Sundering Strikes; Practiced Tolerance; Signet Use; Critical Haste; Opportunist; Infusion of Shadow; Vigorous Recovery; Quick Recovery; Assassin’s Reward; Kleptomaniac; Bountiful Theft)

How was the change to Assassin’s Reward good? Like I pointed out, its 1 additional healing per init spent for every 100 healing power you have. That’s not a buff, that’s a rounding error. The same for Quick Recovery – a trait that used to boost Init recovery by 25% now boosts init recovery by 10% – that change makes sense due to new init regen speed, but the fact that nothing was added to a master tier trait makes it weak, bland, and not worth slotting.

This is the problem with players opinions – there’s no qualifications to have an opinion. I just don’t see how someone who has any knowledge of Thief can say the Assassin’s Reward “buff” was something good.

About Healing Skills, new Signets and Spirits excludes Skelk Venon. I also think this skill are a weak variation of Signet Malice, and a strong version of Leeching Venoms trait. This skill could act dealing pressure on the opponent while heal the Thief. For example, without instant heal, just the next 5 attacks inflicts a venom that steal health (life steal, 150 health per second for 5 seconds. Affects only one target per hit).

Assassin Reward was a buff because get good scaling with heal power, but was moved to GM tier to force Thieves to deep acrobatics (sacrifice dps) to get one more strong heal skill.

Is ridiculous how Thieves QQ about sustain having too much heals, evades, stealth, teleport, etc…

The Good

- PvP Rewards
- New Heal Skills (except Water Spirit and Signets, all them absurdly powerful)
- Some traits (Great Fortitude; Reckless Dodge; Crack Shot; Unsuspecting Foe; Last Chance; Spiked Armor; Armored Attack; Determined Revival; Reviver’s Might; Thrill of the Kill; Burning Fire; Burning Rage; Soothing Winds; Tempest Defense; Stone Flesh; Strength of Stone; Diamond Skin; Soothing Wave; Cantrip Mastery; Soothing Wave; Cleansing Wave; Arcane Retribution; Elemental Attunement; Sundering Strikes; Practiced Tolerance; Signet Use; Critical Haste; Opportunist; Infusion of Shadow; Vigorous Recovery; Quick Recovery; Assassin’s Reward; Kleptomaniac; Bountiful Theft)
- Reduction in CD of attunement.
- Buff in Initiative gain rate.
- Bug Fixes. Always welcome.

The Bad

- AI buff and/or incentive.
- Passive play buff or incentive.
(both, passive play and AI based play are good, but should not be so powerful. Actually is definitely unbalanced)
- Mesmer buff (Actually, Mesmer needs nerf, not buff)
- Combustive shot nerf. Definitely ridiculous and unnecessary.
- Burst Mastery nerf. Again, ridiculous and unnecessary.
- What hell are happening with Skyhammer? This map comes all time in Solo Q. Is horrible and frustrated.

The Missing

- Decrease AI spamming (Mesmers, Rangers, Necros and Engineers are abusing of AI, no coments more :/ )
- Decrease Passive play (Thieves, Rangers, Mesmers and Engineers with signets, minions, stealth and immunities)
- Unsuspecting Foe (Could synergy with all cc skills, working against every disabled foe)
- Diamond Skin (Instead one more passive skill granting one more passive immunity, this skill could reduce incoming damage according amount of buff. 3% damage reduction for each buff.)
- REMOVE SKYHAMMER FROM SOLO PVP TOURNAMENT

The issue is that skyhammer is the only map that comes in solo Q all time.
It1s like all other maps has been removed and remained only skyhammer, this is boring a lot.

PvP loose with this.

Coulter.2315:

LBow 5 does need increased cast time with animation. The burst skill needs looked at (decreased uptime or something that makes you not want to cast it on recharge), its the most abusable fire field in the game.

Is the only field of warriors.

Thedenofsin.7340:

Ashanor.5319:

Thedenofsin.7340:

TRoopEr.5364:

I will repeat.

People whine about warriors because it is way to easy to play and way to easy to stomp bad players. And majority(vaste majority) of gw2 spvp playerbase rightnow and past 3 month are bad.

remove kitten lyssa from game and all happy.

Warriors have as much mobility as a thief, the best health regen in the game, (and it’s passive!), the second best access to stability, heavy armor, some of the best condition removal in the game, and an AoE fire field that can permanently cover an entire node.

Give any profession that much capability and they’ll WTFstomp everyone else.

It’s dumb.

Oh yeah, those 30/30/30/30/30 warriors who use Greatsword/Sword/Sword/Longbow are insane! Second best access to stability? We have two stability utility that people actually use, most builds don’t take them both. One is a 60 second cooldown (48 traited – which most builds also don’t trait) the other is a 40 second cooldown. Both are 8 second durations.

We have good condition removal, I will give you that. Do you know why we were given good condition removal? It’s because we couldn’t stand in a group fight without melting before it was added.

Warrior already took a bunch of nerfs last patch. It is ridiculous that you bad players are STILL complaining and making up magical perfect builds with every weapon to claim warrior has everything. I’m surprised you didn’t also claim warrior has overpowered cc all in the same build. Might want to add that next time!

0/0/30/30/10 -sword/horn + lb + celestial + Lyssa.

The bad players aren’t complaining. The bad ones are all playing warrior.

Hum…

Now is Sword/Horn + Longbow?
What will be after?

Sensotix.4106:

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

Sensotix.4106:

JETWING.2759:

Warrior no have Stealth, Minions, near-perma evade or blind spam…

Warriors are easy to kill, just this.

hm do you play competetively?

i dun play competitively.
but, have you been warrior competitively?

lets look at what you wrote:

Let’s come to warrior:
The problem with warrior is that it is almost impossible to counter warriors if they are playing it right

please tell me, have you played 10s, or 100s games of solo arena or team arena with the warrior, and playing it right, and you found it that, other people are impossible to counter your warrior?

did you?

i did not, so i dunno. you are obviously a very experienced competitive player so i am asking you. please reply. thank you.

i played over 250 tournament games with warrior in the top 100 and won around 200 of them thats why i am writing this thread because i have actually played this class and know how it works

Then you are forgetting some things about risk/reward when playing warrior…

“Endure Pain” have 93% risk against 7% reward. Use the skill in wrong time and that said Thief will have 56s window to use Backstab after Backstab. Not forgetting that Endure Pain do not prevent CC or Conditions, nothing compared to Blurred Frenzy (25% uptime total immunity/evade) or Flanking Strike (100% uptime total immunity/evade).

“Berserker Stance” is the same that EP, but preventing condition with 13% uptime against 87% downtime. And, again… Nothing if compared with Blurred Frenzy, Distortion, Flanking Strike, Infiltrator Return, disabling Shot, most of Thief utilities, etc…

“Cleansing Ire” requires 20 points in defense, this itself sacrifice DPS. And is 100% only with Longbow, but to you assume that all warriors have 100% condition cleanse, you need assume that ALL WARRIORS uses Longbow, what is not true. you also not said that Longbow remove requires full adrenaline to remove 3 conditions (excludes Fear) with 10s CD (7,75s if spend more 30 points in discipline).
- What happens with all other weapons when blinded, evaded, missed, etc? Are 0 risk 100% reward?
- What about Thief cleanse (sword #2; Shadow’s Embrace; …) all without cd and risk but with 100% reward?

“Healing Signet” removes from warrior the control of his own heal skill due to active heal is very weak. The passive effect forces the player to use their resources carefully, keep in mind that unchangeable 390 hp/s. If the warrior takes 1 burn, for example, he becomes out-sustained and helpless. Is for this reason that much warriors appeal to stances.
- The risk calls “move, dodge, block, attack and keep moving under penalty of death in case of distraction or fail”.
- Signet Malice heal 100 hp, but can be boosted by haste, number of enemies and number of hits per attack (he can for example Steal > Whirling Axe > Pistol Whip > IS > Pistol Whip…). Not forgetting Shadow Refuge that heals and grants Dark Field.

I honestly think you have been unfortunate to compare risks and rewards. Warriors really have a few of every thing, but he isn’t the best in all.

Warrior no have Stealth, Minions, near-perma evade or blind spam…

Warriors are easy to kill, just this.

For now, remove AoE limit.
Will be a big step to balance AI.

Good build. I d liked

My good…
Long Bow was nerfed in last week and they want one more nerf?
Delete warrior and they stop QQ.

Good skill, but for now is not so attractive as Healing Signet. For now needs few adjustments, for ex:
- Break Stun.
- instant cast, like others stances.
- improve up time, increasing time activation from 3s to 4s (5s with sure footed).

This AoE limit is ridiculous, an insult to active and strategic game play.
Rangers and Necros just wait AI make all work due no have counter play.

E-sport…

I like Retaliation as already is
I don’t agree with op suggestion.

Anet looks forces warriors to run gs
Too many nerf in active skills and buff in passive skills…
I prefer a nerf in healing signet that in combustive shot :/

No reason to stolen WA be better than Warrior’s WA.

- More AI?
- What happens when all allies and minions (Rangers, Necros, Mesmers, Engineers…) deals crit over crit in foe(s)?

Looks very OP if used for minion spamer.

And need be instant cast, without cast time.

Another Anet mystery… Stolen skills better than original skills :/

Could be 5s up. 6s with sure footed.

yanoch.7051:

I use shouts but I use balance stance.

To me balance Stance is a must… Dolyak is great once treated with traits(60 sec to 48) but for me that 8 sec is pretty important. Also you don’t get the bonus when it’s on cooldown and my balanced stance is always down.

I think the same about balance stance vs dolyak. I have balance sloted all time in pvp and wvw.