Guild Wars 2

Well that’s not good at all.

Yeah, or a supply trap (if it had debris in it like a tornado).

I noticed the LOS was completely fixed last night.

Usually an AC you can place at bottom of first set of steps at watergate blue keep EB used to be able to cover the entire cave .. and now getting “LOS error” messages. Completely different from last week.

Shadow.3475:

Thats is a lot of BS, there is no were you can build siege that can protect South wall, east wall and gate in CragTop that enemy players cant destroy with normal attack skills.

Random.4691:

Siege can be build out of aoe range. Learn the placement and use it, what would be the point of trying to siege if you couldn’t do anything to the defenders ? People simply would stop sieging because why subject yourself to being shot like fish in a barrel ?

Well considering there is NO wall on the east side, lol

But yes, Random is correct, there are plenty of ways to siege up and avoiding aoe from outside — heck even nasty placed outside ACs.

That’s some l33t fighting skills there.

Maybe you guys scare them?

There are three exits.

Go round the back and surprise the crap out of them by flipping the keep behind them.

dancingmonkey.4902:

Jayne.9251:

VaaCrow.3076:

Well there used to be a few guilds like you described on gunnars hold, they were abusive in team, did nothing to help out home bl in primetime when they were wasting slots, and in their offtime they trolled our commanders/other guilds. They were wasting slots on the map in primetime and not defending, so we were losing the whole map alot of the time b/c we simply could not get enough actual defenders in.

So myself, my guild, and quite a few other just decided to do what we could to make them leave, we’d treb their fights, stealth trap the enemies they fought, hit with siege, call ppt zerg to wipe enemy, basicly we made it clear we did not want them on our home bl, and we didn’t stop this until they left, it took about a month. It was worth it.

100% worth doing if they are becoming a detriment to your server, if they do nothing to assimilate into the population and do not play to help the server then you should do what you can without breaking the rules to get them off ya server, ruining their fights and using siege to kill the enemies they fight, running over their fights with ppt blob, all things you can do that break no rules. It’s also ALOT of fun doing it, lol.

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[Rise] Madness Rises Guild Leader [Kei Shade-ranger]
May our BL break all foes. Fear our babou!
Gunnars Hold Represent! <3

You realize statements like these will make your entire guild KOS to enemy servers right?

What you’re describing and admitting to is trolling/purposefully griefing. And I believe you can get banned for that.

What section of the ToS states it is illegal to use siege attacks against enemy combatants? Can you quote the specific section that makes placing traps for enemy combatants against the rules?

This is the only time I’ll respond to you, because you have a history of just arguing for the sake of arguing, but here you go:

While playing Guild Wars 2, you must respect the rights of others and their rights to play and enjoy the Game. To this end, you may not defraud, harass, threaten, embarrass or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players. This includes posting insulting, offensive, or abusive comments about players, repeatedly sending unwanted messages, reporting players maliciously, attacking a player based on race, sexual orientation, religion, heritage, etc. Hate speech is not tolerated.

Found here:

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/legal/guild-wars-2-rules-of-conduct/

And it wasn’t the siege used, or the traps used, it was her saying she and her guild purposefully harassed another guild to get them off the map. In effect, it was her confession post here that did her in.

VaaCrow.3076:

Jayne.9251:

MaximillianVonSchatten.6278:

Jayne.9251:

MaximillianVonSchatten.6278:

Jayne.9251:

You realize statements like these will make your entire guild KOS to enemy servers right?

What you’re describing and admitting to is trolling/purposefully griefing. And I believe you can get banned for that.

I don’t see how he can get banned for doing what you are supposed to do in WvW

She’s admitting to being purposefully disruptive and attacking teammates in order to get them to leave. It’s griefing.

Nope, they were wiping out the enemy on their map who happened to be trying to GVG their teammates. You are supposed to wipe out the enemy on your map and no amount of make-believe GvG etiquette rules can change that.

Obsidian Sanctum has lovely locations for GvG; in BLs, disruptions should be expected.

Yes, but she didn’t say that did she?

I made sure what i was doing wasn’t breaking the rules, i was using siege to kill enemies, i was using traps to kill enemies, we were tagging up to lead our zerg to wipe enemies. Just massive coinsidence those enemies were choosing to GvG. And as for being kill on sight, i welcome it, when they can’t kill us and die it makes it even better!

What you described was griefing.

You didn’t say you were chasing off the enemy. You said you were trolling your home team (even if they were GvG guilds). That means because they weren’t playing the way you wanted them to play, you did things to harass them until they left. And you even said you got a giggle out of doing it, too.

What you did was against the rules. You described it yourself. There is no defense of your actions. You wrote what you did yourself. If you hadn’t of said anything, sure you could justify it by saying you were attacking the enemy. Sadly, you own confession indicates abuse and harassment of other players.

MaximillianVonSchatten.6278:

Jayne.9251:

MaximillianVonSchatten.6278:

Jayne.9251:

You realize statements like these will make your entire guild KOS to enemy servers right?

What you’re describing and admitting to is trolling/purposefully griefing. And I believe you can get banned for that.

I don’t see how he can get banned for doing what you are supposed to do in WvW

She’s admitting to being purposefully disruptive and attacking teammates in order to get them to leave. It’s griefing.

Nope, they were wiping out the enemy on their map who happened to be trying to GVG their teammates. You are supposed to wipe out the enemy on your map and no amount of make-believe GvG etiquette rules can change that.

Obsidian Sanctum has lovely locations for GvG; in BLs, disruptions should be expected.

Yes, but she didn’t say that did she?

MaximillianVonSchatten.6278:

Jayne.9251:

You realize statements like these will make your entire guild KOS to enemy servers right?

What you’re describing and admitting to is trolling/purposefully griefing. And I believe you can get banned for that.

I don’t see how he can get banned for doing what you are supposed to do in WvW

She’s admitting to being purposefully disruptive and attacking teammates in order to get them to leave. It’s griefing.

VaaCrow.3076:

Well there used to be a few guilds like you described on gunnars hold, they were abusive in team, did nothing to help out home bl in primetime when they were wasting slots, and in their offtime they trolled our commanders/other guilds. They were wasting slots on the map in primetime and not defending, so we were losing the whole map alot of the time b/c we simply could not get enough actual defenders in.

So myself, my guild, and quite a few other just decided to do what we could to make them leave, we’d treb their fights, stealth trap the enemies they fought, hit with siege, call ppt zerg to wipe enemy, basicly we made it clear we did not want them on our home bl, and we didn’t stop this until they left, it took about a month. It was worth it.

100% worth doing if they are becoming a detriment to your server, if they do nothing to assimilate into the population and do not play to help the server then you should do what you can without breaking the rules to get them off ya server, ruining their fights and using siege to kill the enemies they fight, running over their fights with ppt blob, all things you can do that break no rules. It’s also ALOT of fun doing it, lol.

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[Rise] Madness Rises Guild Leader [Kei Shade-ranger]
May our BL break all foes. Fear our babou!
Gunnars Hold Represent! <3

You realize statements like these will make your entire guild KOS to enemy servers right?

What you’re describing and admitting to is trolling/purposefully griefing. And I believe you can get banned for that.

Osu.6307:

If duelers want respect, they should act respectful. I can’t go a week without some idiot dueler hanging out on the south side of SMC acting like he is just waiting for another dueler to show up, deciding to attack me while I run past trying to catch up with the zerg. If you want to duel, hang around the other duelers, only fight with those duelers, and I will completely ignore you. Roamers should take the same advice. In my experience, most zergs with decent commanders ignore roamers or duelers completely because they are on the way to OJs, but once a roamer attacks the zerg’s tail, the commander gets kittened off and adopts a “kill on sight” policy. Just remember the golden rule and we will all have a good time.

I think that’s completely fair. And a good way to look at it.

If they’re being ganking jerks, wipe them.

If they’re just out practising and not bothering anyone, leave them be.

illenos.5134:

Jayne.9251:

illenos.5134:

Here we go again: use the OS for your duels. Thanks! You will get interrupted, ganked and blobbed on regular basis so don’t even try to duel on a regular WvW map…or stop being salty on this forum. Use the “real” WvW forum for this kind of stuff but be prepared: it’s a god kitten salt mine! xD

BTW a lot of folks in EU are blaming duelists and even roamers whenever they get outnumbered in zerg fights while they have a queue…so I would say they rather hate duels and don’t respect them at all.

I guess when I’m in OS you’ll build all the siege, refresh it, and monitor the map?

Oh that’s right, you don’t do that. Ever.

Why should I do stuff like that? xD It is boring and pointless if you don’t care about ppt. The only thing I contribute to ppt is flipping all camps on the map…and killing other roamers and poor zerglings, who try to run back to their mother blob. I miss you ppk! T_T

BTW scouting/upgrading/defending and duels have nothing to do with each other so this is no argument against using the OS for duels.

You are saying go to OS if I want to duel. Your words.

In the same breath you are saying that you will not upgrade/siege/defend.

If I’m stuck in a queue because I took a break to have a duel from doing the other grunt work, who’s going to do the grunt work? The refreshing, the scouting, etc?

You? No, you’ve already said you don’t do that.

So OS is not a good choice.

Ravezaar.4951:

Stop crying so kitten much, we dont make post about u hitting Towers and Keeps do we ?

Lol stop fibbing. You come and rescue our map all the time when we call for help.

Your guild is a stellar example of how well things work when there’s mutual respect.

Nash.2681:

Duelists around the sentry. A few (think it was 3 or 4) enemy guys on the small hill to the east watching their mate fighting another enemy (so it was red on both sides for us) who had a few guys watching from the other side.
Usually we’d just attacked them, but with this thread in mind, we decided to give it a try and just move a long with our dolly not attacking anyone.
At first, nothing happened. As soon as we were close to the sentry area, out of a sudden those guys from the east hill attacked.

Sorry that happened. In my experience, typically it won’t.

I’m wondering if your guild has been tagged as people who usually attack duellers — so they were making sure you didn’t stake anyone (and forcing them to run back from spawn) ahead of time?

Next time try even a simple /wave before you move past. Or whisper and say you’re just passing through, no attack. If you guild has a reputation prior of killing duellers, you can’t really blame them for pre-empting.

Tigaseye.2047:

That is not hypocrisy, or contradiction – that is having consideration for others.

That’s been my point all along.

Wiping two people duelling with 20 does nothing for your server.

Have consideration for others, you don’t know what they do otherwise to contribute to your server. Let them play how they want.

The poster you indirectly quoted (by quoting my response) was saying that unless you’re flipping dolyaks, camps, joining the zerg you’re wasting your server’s time. Yet in the same breath describes fights where she’s duelling. It IS hypocrisy. Go back and re-read. And then later goes on to say she interrupts duels for the lols. So in effect, she’s saying that it’s ok if she does it, but not if others.

Talk about consideration.

Kry.1697:

Most of the players in GvG guilds roam in WvW when they dont have fights, or are part of the zerg, contributing to your servers performance. Let them have their fun once in a while. Watch the GvG’s and maybe you will actually feel like trying it at some point.

This.

This is usually the case when gvg and ppt get along. And they can. One engages and occupies the enemy, while the core group retakes/controls the rest of the map.

And off-hours, they’re part of a highly skilled/trained zerg.

It’s a shame people don’t realize both groups can coexist successfully on a map.

Zetsumei.4975:

Jayne dont bother with dancingmonkey and coglin mate, theyre known for derailing threads or just arguing for the sake of arguing wherever they can its a waste of time.

Sorry. You’re absolutely right.

dancingmonkey.4902:

Jayne.9251:

Assigned tower? lol. I cover the whole map. So do most of the scouts on my server. It’s not a stationary job and we do it quite effectively.

It isn’t? We generally have someone in every tower and keep other then spawn keeps. I see part of the issue is your incorrectly making assumptions that everyone does it in the same manner that you do.

Aren’t you doing the same by saying “We generally have someone in every tower and… blah blah blah”? Where did I say that was the only way to play? I simply said this is how my server does it. Stop trying to create a fight when there is none. You seem to only know that one mode of communication and no other (I took a look at your posting history).

dancingmonkey.4902:

Jayne.9251:

Here’s the thing: I can get supp, jump into a nearby tower, upgrade it, siege up the tower or keep, jump out and duel, and STILL monitor the map and get there in time to save the tower/keep. That comes from basic time in game and learning to read the map.

I have no doubt in my mind that you have been out dueling and missed plenty of scouting calls.

I have no doubt in my mind what I do actually do on map and know that you do not.

dancingmonkey.4902:

Jayne.9251:

Because most folks in EU (there are some exceptions, but they’re rare) respect duels, I can also yell out in map when I see a big blob of enemy go by and indicate which direction they’re going. That blob won’t bother with two duellers. They respect different styles of gameplay.

I see, so you speak for all of the players on every EU server now? Even though many of posted in this very thread about not caring about duels and the “if it is red it is dead” perspective. Not only are you disingenuously presuming to speak for others in your community, your doing so in a thread with post that go against your claim.

I can only tell you what I see. Heck I even linked a video for you, demonstrating it.

dancingmonkey.4902:

Jayne.9251:

Oh but I can. I often monitor all four maps too and help coordinate movement on our core team. Lots of us on Piken do that — it’s part of the gameplay as scout. In fact, all of our scouts will watch all four maps and help network and feed info.

You also claim to speak for the entire community, and claim every one in EU supports dueling. So I doubt you are being completely honest with this claim as well.

Again, learn to read. I was speaking about my server and how we work as a team. You are again creating a combative statement when there is none.

dancingmonkey.4902:

Jayne.9251:

I rarely rarely zerg. I am always doing the gruntwork and scouting. I have become proficient enough at scouting that I CAN duel and still keep up my end of the scouting job.

How are you always doing the grunt work when you specifically stated you duel often and do so in remote locations?

Gee, again inventing things I didn’t say. Where did I say I go off to remote locations? I’m certainly not in front of the gates demanding clearance, but I’m close enough to respond to anything needed.

dancingmonkey.4902:

Jayne.9251:

I’m “combative” about it (though I don’t see it that way) because it feels like your own personal limitations are being imposed on everyone else.

What limitations would that be?

At this point, they’re self-evident.

illenos.5134:

Here we go again: use the OS for your duels. Thanks! You will get interrupted, ganked and blobbed on regular basis so don’t even try to duel on a regular WvW map…or stop being salty on this forum. Use the “real” WvW forum for this kind of stuff but be prepared: it’s a god kitten salt mine! xD

BTW a lot of folks in EU are blaming duelists and even roamers whenever they get outnumbered in zerg fights while they have a queue…so I would say they rather hate duels and don’t respect them at all.

I guess when I’m in OS you’ll build all the siege, refresh it, and monitor the map?

Oh that’s right, you don’t do that. Ever.

You can still find out their name by tagging them, hitting block, look at your block list, unblock, then whisper

It’s a nice way to congratulate an enemy on a good play and make a new friend.

dancingmonkey.4902:

Are you suggesting that when you are off dueling, that you are simultaneously running supply? That doesn’t seem physically possible.

Yes. I always run with supp, never know when you’ll need it. It is possible. Do you duel at all? It might help if you had some experience doing it.

Keep in mind that real duellers never stake — so you’re never in any danger of having to run back from spawn.

dancingmonkey.4902:

Can you inform your map of enemy actions near your assigned tower or keep while you are off dueling?

Assigned tower? lol. I cover the whole map. So do most of the scouts on my server. It’s not a stationary job and we do it quite effectively.

Here’s the thing: I can get supp, jump into a nearby tower, upgrade it, siege up the tower or keep, jump out and duel, and STILL monitor the map and get there in time to save the tower/keep. That comes from basic time in game and learning to read the map.

Because most folks in EU (there are some exceptions, but they’re rare) respect duels, I can also yell out in map when I see a big blob of enemy go by and indicate which direction they’re going. That blob won’t bother with two duellers. They respect different styles of gameplay.

Here’s an example of two guilds scrimming and the third server blob comes by:

http://youtu.be/B53GXpugOms

Notice the respect? Same deal happens typically in EU with duels.

I am able to multi-task, contribute to defense, scout AND still duel.

dancingmonkey.4902:

Point is, you are either dueling, or doing scouting/upkeep, because you cannot be doing both.

Oh but I can. I often monitor all four maps too and help coordinate movement on our core team. Lots of us on Piken do that — it’s part of the gameplay as scout. In fact, all of our scouts will watch all four maps and help network and feed info.

If you want to jump over to Piken and join me for a week, be glad to show you how I manage it. I will also teach siege clinics on fridays, to help people new to the server learn about placement and how to counter the abuse of the new fov.

I rarely rarely zerg. I am always doing the gruntwork and scouting. I have become proficient enough at scouting that I CAN duel and still keep up my end of the scouting job.

dancingmonkey.4902:

So Iam unclear why you are so combative about it.

I’m “combative” about it (though I don’t see it that way) because it feels like your own personal limitations are being imposed on everyone else. If you are unable to multi-task, that’s on you, y’know? Saying you CANNOT do both things, that you MUST run supply, etc … it’s just a bully’s pulpit. And your response to punish those who can — the duellers by disrespecting their playstyle — meh. Why?

Let people play how they want. Learn to respect others and they will do their best for you.

VaaCrow.3076:

being the super hardcore scouts of wvw.

lol I’ll take that as a compliment — and a reflection of your own skill level

They must have done something last patch with the DT LOS. I watched several eles try and fail to nuke me from below.

It could be that I placed the siege out of reach though, too.

Anyone else noticing a difference?

And I think I’m done with this thread. I’m starting to repeat stuff, which is a colossal waste of energy.

It’s just practice. The longer you do it, the better you’ll get (most times).

Everyone who’s played has done 1,000 faceplants. Once you let go of the fear of dying, you’ll do much better.

Hang in there.

dancingmonkey.4902:

You really should stop suggesting dueling and scouting are related in some way, because they are not. I and plenty of others scout all of the time. That doesn’t mean we abandon our scouting position to go duel. As well, dueling takes away a scout in many instances, or prohibits one from running supply.

So in your world, scouts should only run supply and upgrade and nothing else? Gee, that’s fun. And fair. For many who play WvW, scouting and duelling are related. If it’s not your experience, then guess what? That’s you. Not me. And not a lot of others. (see other poster in thread who does the same thing, about five up from this post).

My bottom line is I’m NOT telling people how to play, I’m suggesting you let folks play how they want. You seem to be suggesting otherwise. And trolling duellers by rolling over them does nothing to help your server. It’s just trolling. And yes, bad sportsmanship.

dancingmonkey.4902:

You proclaim others are suggesting how you are to play WvW, which I do not see anyone actually doing. Yet, isn’t that what your doing by telling someone they are wrong to kill an enemy, regardless of the circumstances?

This isn’t telling people how to play?

VaaCrow.3076:

As for not affecting their servers performance, sure they do, that is 10-12 people sat around doing nothing, they could be killing enemy yaks/zerg tails, capping camps/towers/contesting keeps.

Yet this same person says they’ll go and interrupt a duel for the lols.

Look I get it. You like ppt. You are not confident in your skillset (duelling can actually help with that). You think all scouts should be glued in towers and constantly slaving away while the rest of the map blobs.

It’s ok, you can think that way. Thankfully not everyone does.

VaaCrow.3076:

I am a scout, i upgrade and roam, as do 90%of my guild, IF someone interupts our fight, weather it is fair 1v1 or 2v2, it is just “/shrug” then finish fight fast and stomp the enemy then move along. For alot of us, fighting is alot of fun, but denying enemy groups caps/objectivs/of their fun, is alot more entertaining. I’m sorry but plz don’t try to speak for me/the roamers/scouts, let people give their own opinions.

Hilarious. You seem to be alluding to speaking for others. This is another example of do as I say isnt . it? Am I not allowed to express an opinion that differs from yours? Dear me.

Can’t you see, even by your own statements, that WvW is many things to different people? Lol you seem to contradict yourself from one paragraph to the other. The one above, you mention you duel. The one below, you seem to indicate that duelling is WRONG and wasting your server’s time! Make up your mind.

Respect different playstyles. If it’s not affecting you, leave them be.

VaaCrow.3076:

As for not affecting their servers performance, sure they do, that is 10-12 people sat around doing nothing, they could be killing enemy yaks/zerg tails, capping camps/towers/contesting keeps. WvW is a game mode where you are supposed to be thrown against chaotic odds. it is NOT balanced for 1v1, i don’t know how you are so dense as to not see this. And if i see a duel/fight/anything where i see a server mate either losing/close/about to be ganked, i will jump in, gank the enemy, then corpse jump. or if they duel close to a friendly dolyak, or if there’s nothing else to do. lol.

Again, stop dictating how WvW should be played. If I spend 6-8 hours a day sieging/upgrading/defending/refreshing the map, I feel completely OK taking 15 minutes to have a duel. You coming along and steamrolling over me and one other player is just going to irritate me (and you’ve likely irritated a good number of your teammates if you do this), and I’ll just stop doing the regular scout stuff I do. Which is fine, since you do it 90% of the time. Sounds like you don’t need a break from it. Or cooperation. Or teamwork.

I’m just very glad my server appreciates scouts and lets people play how they want.

And stop with the insults. It makes you look silly. That’s two posts in a row where you’re throwing mud for no reason. Dense, lol … it’s whether.

The ONLY reason why I hate the idea of alliances is because of who it potentially leaves out.

Think of all the people you work with on a daily basis. Now imagine an artificial map cap, where they cannot get in — or are punted to an overflow version. Imagine that rotating daily — with no stability of roster, outside of your own guild (we all know that WvW works with more than just guilds).

I’d hate to lose the team I work with every day because of overflow — or someone has a fight with someone else, and then uses some stupid manipulation to ensure they can’t get in, etc … You know how often in this game one guild has a beef with another — now imagine that manipulated with the alliance system. Sorry no, Fluffy Bunnies, you guys are out of the alliance this week, too bad, go play (the equivalent of) bronze tier.

Servers are starting to destack with the new “full” population system. Give it time to work. What I’m hoping is that NA gets the same kind of variation that EU gets — because its glicko is so close, you rarely get the same match two weeks in a row, outside of T1 (and even that rotates frequently).

Hang in there.

Only a WvW player watches The Hobbit: Battle of Five Armies, and mentally commends Thorin for his double-tap dodge in the epic orc lord fight.

#waitandsee2015!!!!

Off-topic: your username is hilarious.

You are indeed quite the talker :p

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Sure, but it is not always possible and like it or not, PPT is more legit than what we like. I do prefer fights but there is no way you can look at a conquest game mode and pretend you are as legit in the way you play if you don’t capture kitten.

Beside, I hope you roam because you like it, not because you feel force to do so. I hate players who play the diva and expect to have others cut them some slack because of what they would do anyway… If you don’t like roaming then just don’t. Same goes for tagging etc. Don’t play the diva….

I love roaming. But have some respect for people who don’t mindlessly blob, do the grunt work nobody else does, because they’re the reason you keep your precious ppt.
I hate players that expect everything done for them, and don’t offer respect for the work done, then scream and rage when it’s not being done anymore and the entire map is paper.

If they stop doing it, you will have to. Or let things fall over and over and wonder why.

Map queues at the moment are deceiving, with many guilds/players taking a month off before HoT launch. It will fill up pretty quickly again once that launches, and the queues will be back. The more full a server now, the longer the queues will be at the start of the new expansion.

Wonder if we’ll go back to the days of 2 hour queue times?

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

When I duel I accept that I’m a tolerated phenomenon, not the legit one.

Who dictates what is legit? You?

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

It is the same thing in pvp when you have players who only fight outside of caps. You sure can do it, but kitten your team will rightfully hate you. Same goes for GvG that I also participate in. Having no other places to do your activities is no excuses.

Seems a dumb source for hate:

Jayne.9251:

Well what I think these folks who are saying “if it’s red it’s dead” don’t understand is that the bulk of these duellers/roamers are your server’s scouts who do all the grunt work others won’t do. If you continue to tick them off by not being respectful of alternative gameplay, a tiny bit of a break from the crap jobs they do, you’ll find your towers/keeps are not upgraded, siege is not built or refreshed, and then the enemy will just swoop in and take your stuff with no resistance.

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Do all you like to do as long as it doesn’t come at the cost of other game play experience.

That cuts both ways. If it’s not affecting your gameplay, leave them alone.

sigrdrifumal.3752:

Jayne.9251:

Scroll up in this thread for why I don’t use OS.

Honestly you don’t need a reason to not use OS. OS is not for roaming, it’s for premeditated duels and GvGs. What is fun about roaming in WvW, as opposed to, say, SPvP or OS, is that the fights are spontaneous and organic. It’s the same reason why people play PvP servers in other MMOs. Sometimes duels happen, and it’s toxic behavior to not allow players to enjoy duels that have no affect on their server’s performance at all.

Well what I think these folks who are saying “if it’s red it’s dead” don’t understand is that the bulk of these duellers/roamers are your server’s scouts who do all the grunt work others won’t do. If you continue to tick them off by not being respectful of alternative gameplay, a tiny bit of a break from the crap jobs they do, you’ll find your towers/keeps are not upgraded, siege is not built or refreshed, and then the enemy will just swoop in and take your stuff with no resistance.

Naw it would make it too busy. The way you have it set up is via tiers, so it’s easy to differentiate one red from another red.

On a combined all-server graph, you might want different colours. But as it stands, and the way you have it laid out, looks fine — just need lines a bit thicker so easier to trace.

At least that’s how I see it.

lol, dear me, just glad you’re on our server.

I think we are seeing the difference between EU and NA in this thread, lol.

I’d just make the lines a bit thicker so they’re easier to differentiate.

Junkpile.7439:

Desolation IRON is mooost powefuuul guild. They outnumber map blobs.

Oh mark this photo for the history books. Junkpile seen outside of EoTM. :P

Here’s why I don’t go to OS: map queues.

I spend the bulk of my day (6 hours plus) scouting/sieging and upgrading keeps and towers.

To get a tiny break from it, and still be close enough to refresh siege and monitor the map, I will often have short duels — 15 minutes or so. I use it to keep my skillset up, and improve by learning from the mistakes I make. True duellers never stake anyone, so you can get back up over and over and learn from what you’re doing wrong — and congratulate your opponent on good plays.

If I went to OS, all that scouting/upgrading/refreshing that I do for hours on end, would likely not get done while I’m stuck in a queue. (You know there’s only a few people on every server who diligently do this).

So yeah, I have great respect for duellers, most of EU is like this thankfully and respectfully lets players play how they want to, instead of imposing their gameplay on others. If they’re not ganking or taking objectives, but just practising for a bit, and NOT affecting your gameplay in any way; leave them be, regardless of where they’re duelling.

Widebody.5071:

Don’t gank players after baiting them in with your allied troll account. Really… if more of us showed a little more sportsmanship maybe WvW would not be in the shape it’s in. If you need bags that much go to PVE and collect till your hearts content.

Most of you are just doing PVE/PVD anyways with the random PVP thrown in every so often. Evenly matched fights are seldom and it seems that it’s usually the server that tends to be outmanned being more aggressive.

But back to the subject I think that most duels are fake, just a way to bait others into a fight with someone with a cheesy op build..

This is what I’ve witnessed in WvW.

Time to move to EU. There’s a lot of respect for players/guilds/duellers/roamers.

And the duels are real

Siobhan.3582:

WvW is NOT where you go to duel. If myself or any of my guild see you, we run you over.. That simple..
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Why?

Is there some kind of advantage to steamrolling 2 vs 20?

Do you get extra bags or something? Or just a confidence boost?

I really don’t see the point.

Tongku.5326:

EremiteAngel.9765:

I think many of us who frequent WvW would have come across duels happening around the map.

Many duelers will say no interrupting because it is not an honorable thing to do.

But…they are enemies!

what are the situations when you will consider interrupting a duel?

Usually I will interrupt if:

1) they are dueling alone and the enemy is low life then I will help to burst and kill the enemy.

Usually I won’t interrupt if:

1) there are other enemies watching who might attack me if I interrupt.

Anytime there is a potential lootbag in front of you, you have a right to collect it regardless of QQ or whatever other feelings the bag may or may not have towards you.

Yeah I guess that’s a key difference between players. I don’t care about loot.

apharma.3741:

I used to respect duels.

Used to, when people kept to the 1v1 or sat and watched.

Now I don’t care and if a Zerg smashes through I am happy they all eat dirt. Why?

The number of times I’ve seen a hand full of players from all 3 servers duelling only for 2/3rds of them to leap on and gank someone just running past (who is not threatening or even looks like they want to be involved) has filled me with nothing but spite for the little….kittens.

If you’re duelling, if I pass by, I will +1, I will stomp and I won’t feel bad.

Aw <3

You’re EU aren’t you? Come find me if our servers meet and we can have a few non-ganking duels.

Tuer 1 NA: Where WVW is your second job.

Blech.

Atoss.1056:

[Nec] Necromancers and their leader Jayne.9251

I’ll have you know my tag is [WHEE] .. because that’s what I yell when running madly through the open fields. :p

Try visiting piken.eu. It’s the server’s website and has a ton of info on guilds and what’s being organized.

Cheers!

Enjoy the server, it’s quite a nice one.

Interesting that some of the names in this thread are still around … not many though.

So who are the new powerhouse guilds? Why do you think that?

Three exits from spawn.

Four different maps.

Don’t get camped.