Guild Wars 2

Wididyth.3847:

Hi guys ^^
Nice to meet you, Piken and Baruch, again (-;
Let’s have a good week ! Unfortunately, I won’t play it due to holidays trip, but I hope my Jade Sea mates will give you some hard time on the battlegrounds x:

Wididyth! <3

Bonne vacances!

Testing out my new mesmer build, surprisingly hardy. Very pleased. Thanks for the nice fights tonight BB.. You guys have some pretty talented mesmers, I’m hoping to learn from them.

Haltair.3062:

Jayne.9251:

Haltair.3062:

Gather your cattle and block your doors, the brotherhood is coming to your frontier….

Best,

Haltair, one of the Twelve Shadows

Wait. Are you saying you have a thing for cows? O.o

No drama regarding what you do with your cows. We just want their supplies.

Best,

Haltair, one of the Twelve Shadows

You leave my dolyaks alone! Or I’ll attempt to deliver hot, tasty Piken Square pizza to your keeps all week Thirty minutes or it’s free!

Also, do you swim?

Hugs,

Jayne

Haltair.3062:

Gather your cattle and block your doors, the brotherhood is coming to your frontier….

Best,

Haltair, one of the Twelve Shadows

Wait. Are you saying you have a thing for cows? O.o

Wemil.7052:

Jayne.9251:

Dear Elona,

You really need to sweep for mesmers better

This is how many took Hills back on PSBL. A fearsome Piken blob, lol.

Love,

Me

xD I lost 7-9 keeps this way because of Mesmer:)

played whole week from 03:00 up to 13:00 with some breaks then 15:00 to 18:00 NERD ALERT!

pushed hard had +500 and on Monday +600 points per day:) except Wednesday we were really screwed up lots of fighting stuffs all fixed now:)

I need to learn to look for mesmers:)

Haha, given the week and how many times I’ve felt your footprints trod over my back as I’m eating dirt, it was a tiny window for us six.

Regardless of the score this week, I had a lot of fun. Both SFR and ER were great to fight, so thank you!

Dear Elona,

You really need to sweep for mesmers better

This is how many took Hills back on PSBL. A fearsome Piken blob, lol.

Love,

Me

Evalana.5480:

Jayne.9251:

EnRohbi.2187:

Evalana.5480:

EnRohbi.2187:

EDIT: This is also the end of me being nice in public for this week.

I bet I can make it happen again :-P

You are free to try.
But don’t hold out too much faith on it

You aren’t fooling anyone. Everyone knows you’re nice.

Also: Evalana, you server-hopping tollop :p

Hehe, well – I prefer to refer to myself as a gypsy – though the life of gypsyism is starting to get both tiresome, and expensive.

PS – How’s EU!! ♥

Insane, but in a good way. We got thrown into Tier 1 this week, lol. Given the pop gap we seem to be doing surprisingly well. It’s a different beast over here, I’m learning a lot.

EnRohbi.2187:

Evalana.5480:

EnRohbi.2187:

EDIT: This is also the end of me being nice in public for this week.

I bet I can make it happen again :-P

You are free to try.
But don’t hold out too much faith on it

You aren’t fooling anyone. Everyone knows you’re nice.

Also: Evalana, you server-hopping tollop :p

He’s better than a spanish soap opera.

CORP from FA runs small-man groups all the time. Usually about 4-5 and they’re good. So good, in fact, that when they’re spotted on the map, usually a big call-out goes out to let everyone know they’re there. They’ve gained quite a rep, lol. Andy is unkillable.

EU-side, on Piken, I see a lot of small-man havoc/ninja/fight teams that are lethal and very effective. I’m still new there, so I’m still learning guild names, but I see a lot of small groups out like you are talking about. And EU tends to be more about the open-field fights than the meta.

Taras.4367:

honestly i think if they even do the same thing they do with traits have a vendor who will reset it, that would be great. even if i pay silver for it.

Yeah I think if they had a npc on WvW maps that does this, I wouldn’t mind paying silver like I do for trait respec.

Doesn’t it also depend on how long the guy you killed had stayed alive previously? The longer he remains upright and not face down in the dirt, the higher the chance of a better reward?

ArkAngel.7940:

Jayne.9251:

ArkAngel.7940:

He mentioned that he was ‘able’ to claim all the camps, not that he had all the camps claimed at the same time..

Doesn’t “all” and “camps” (plural) imply more than one? He couldn’t claim all at the same time anyhow.

I added the information because it is a source of much friction among WvW vets that folks will come in and claim a camp without a buff simply because they want to see their banner up there, when there are practical and beneficial uses for guilds that do have buffs. Adding that information to this conversation is an effort to educate/help.

I emphasized the word “able” because I believe he meant that each camp he went to cap, he was able to claim it. And he summed it by just saying all, and “camps” because he capped more then just one camp. He also mentioned that he did it with more of his guild mates(implied) as to test the majority theory. Which so far seems to be our answer unless someone can link an official source.

And I stand firm that your information is helpful and informative, but irrelevant to the question of why we can sometimes claim an objective but sometimes we can’t right after it is capped. Which is what this thread is about

That’s fine. But if he’s out there claiming “all the camps” he should know what happens when he does that. You’re acting like a thread moderator, and I’m not entirely sure why, lol. What difference does it make if I add information that can be useful? Why are you policing this thread?

ArkAngel.7940:

He mentioned that he was ‘able’ to claim all the camps, not that he had all the camps claimed at the same time..

Doesn’t “all” and “camps” (plural) imply more than one? He couldn’t claim all at the same time anyhow.

I added the information because it is a source of much friction among WvW vets that folks will come in and claim a camp without a buff simply because they want to see their banner up there, when there are practical and beneficial uses for guilds that do have buffs. Adding that information to this conversation is an effort to educate/help.

Vaugh.7193:

Today I was able to claim all camps we took over. We did however roamed more with ourselves today.

You do realize that a guild buff only works on one camp/tower/keep at a time? The minute you claim another one, it releases your hold on the previous one.

It’s also a source of a lot of angst for a lot of WvWers to have a keep claimed (sometimes anything claimed – tower/supply camp, etc.) without your guild putting up a buff of some sort, even if it’s +5 supply. Most aren’t as fussed about towers (it really depends on the situation — if it’s the only thing your team owns, there may be some noses out of joint, lol), but supply camps and keeps benefit greatly from a buff.

It’s not about who capped the tower, but more how your team overall can benefit from it.

If you claim it without a buff, you’re preventing another guild WITH a buff to come in and augment the camp/tower/keep. It’s locked in “permanently” until the tower/camp/keep is taken by the enemy or you go claim something else on map.

Covis.6037:

Jayne read my post again, read it a couple times.

Oh the billion vs 10 will happen at all times during the match. It’s part of WvW. I accept that, lol. Believe me I’ve been stomped plenty this week. Just get back up and try again. I just found it kind of bad sports/bad rep for SFR with the spam laughing after it. It’s not like it was a major accomplishment, lol. That kind of disappointed me. I had heard great things about SFR up to that. But what are you going to do eh? It happens.

Archon.6481:

Jayne.9251:

No offense but I know people who are 100 rank and have more than 15k badges and they couldn’t lead people out of a paper bag. Rank and badges are easy to get even if you just mindlessly zerg. Good commanders have a dynamic personality, a thick skin, and more importantly understand how to read a map and plan chess moves. No way to guarantee that until they’re tested out, and some even evolve into that with enough time and experience.

The closest thing I’ve seen suggested that I like is some kind of voting system. But I suppose that’s kind of already in effect when bad commanders fail to get a following. What I think people forget is free will. If someone is terrible, you can follow another, change maps, or go pve until a good and trusted commander logs in. The bad commanders eventually get weeded out when they don’t have the bodies to do stuff. But it’s up to the players themselves to establish what’s good or not, by not arbitrarily following a blue icon simply because they have a blue icon. Free will.

There will always be bads trying to be a commander. This “solution” just weeds out the people who haven’t even step foot in wvw, and somewhat ensure that they at least has some wvw experience. As it stands right now, complete noobs can buy the tag, and not have a clue what they’re doing.

Everyone has to start somewhere. I also know a fabulous commander who came in the way you say, with zero WvW experience, learned quickly and soon began leading some pretty impressive offenses. The difference here, was that he was given a chance to make mistakes, improved daily, other older and established commanders gave him support and let him lead, and he is now one of the better ones I know out there. He had the qualities I mentioned above, and no amount of WvW experience/badges can buy that. It’s just how some people are natural leaders, and others not so much. People aren’t dumb, the regulars will quickly figure out who to follow and who to ignore. And with a strong core of regulars on the “good” commander, you can do so much more than with a disorganized Zerg that doesn’t know the difference between good and bad leadership. But even those guys will eventually clue in after a couple wipes, lol.

No offense but I know people who are 100 rank and have more than 15k badges and they couldn’t lead people out of a paper bag. Rank and badges are easy to get even if you just mindlessly zerg. Good commanders have a dynamic personality, a thick skin, and more importantly understand how to read a map and plan chess moves. No way to guarantee that until they’re tested out, and some even evolve into that with enough time and experience.

The closest thing I’ve seen suggested that I like is some kind of voting system. But I suppose that’s kind of already in effect when bad commanders fail to get a following. What I think people forget is free will. If someone is terrible, you can follow another, change maps, or go pve until a good and trusted commander logs in. The bad commanders eventually get weeded out when they don’t have the bodies to do stuff. But it’s up to the players themselves to establish what’s good or not, by not arbitrarily following a blue icon simply because they have a blue icon. Free will.

Really guys? There were 10 of us inside, lol. Seven golems?

And laughing over it?

Goodness.

Wolfheart.1938:

Jayne.9251:

This week is going to be my Big Water Match week. Fun fun fun for me!

Appears some ER folks don’t like coming in the water unless there’s at least 8 of you. I /beckoned to the three that were in the water supply camp on PSBL, but only the ranger would dip his pet’s toe in I figured 3v1 would be a nice fight, but noooo …..

Come swimming with me! I promise to only give hugs. Honest.

*crosses fingers

No? How about cookies? I have cookies in the water! Come get them!

What waters do you lurk in? I might think about giving you a visit unless you are a ranger (sorry ranger underwater downed state is kittened )

I’m a memser But I could bring out my ranger if you want

Actually you and ER kept us hopping this morning, haven’t had much swimming time. Bah.

Edited to add photo of me waiting with cookies.

This week is going to be my Big Water Match week. Fun fun fun for me!

Appears some ER folks don’t like coming in the water unless there’s at least 8 of you. I /beckoned to the three that were in the water supply camp on PSBL, but only the ranger would dip his pet’s toe in I figured 3v1 would be a nice fight, but noooo …..

Come swimming with me! I promise to only give hugs. Honest.

*crosses fingers

No? How about cookies? I have cookies in the water! Come get them!

Sneak past using veil and your elite invis spell.

Lol, so you want it without the work it takes to get it?

Believe me, I do understand. I only have map completion on one toon, am loathe to do it ever again …. But I do think for something like a legendary, it should be earned, even if it is a bit painful. Rewarding it without the effort devalues the idea of legendary.

If you want 100% map completion to be account wide without the gift of exploration, giving the choice to the player for say the WPs, then sure.

Guys, they already picked SoR. A week ago I think.

lol I love Piken map chat!

Oh you guys are making me want to come back over and over now .. lol.

So. Much. Fun! Each time there are more that jump in.

Haha, kinda wish it wasn’t just me by myself vs this:

Yep my favourite place to play actually Get most of my kills that way.

Unfortunately I got a bit greedy with the last one and followed him up to spike him at green keep gates as he ran to protection … lol, NPCs agroed then five jumped in after me. Still, was tons of fun, so thank you!

lol.

Like to thank SF for the fights around your green keep in the water on EB. It’s always interesting to see how underwater fights go. Had some nice 1v1 and 2v1 … but then you sent out five to kill me

I guess it was a nice compliment.

I always have the music from Jaws going through my head when I’m on my mesmer in water.

Moersel.1320:

You must have miscounted. It’s SFR! They consist of small scale roaming groups only. With a maximum of 5 players/group.

It was really two necros, their pets, and a mesmer right?

Piken has some very tough and very hyper-organized guilds. Where they lose rating is during off-peak hours. Have felt very lucky to have been part of some of their pushes, it’s a sight to behold.

Good luck to all .. be gentle with me T1 servers, I bruise easily.

Score updates can be found here:

http://mos.millenium.org/eu

Live map here:

http://mos.millenium.org/eu/matchups/map/805

It’s a whole different style of play in EU. I’m not saying one is better than the other, I’m just saying that those who want to challenge themselves are slowly starting to head over. Two more NA faces popped up in maps today — one from T2 server, one from T1. I get whispers from them, they’re excited about WvW all over again. That’s just a trickle of people mind you, but I can honestly see a big guild heading over to EU simply because what has evolved out of there is completely different from NA. That alone is motivation. Yep, there will be some element of PV-door depending on time of play, but what I’ve been seeing from even the lower population servers is highly skilled play — so the enemy you do fight is tough (again, not saying NA isn’t tough, it’s just different).

Since I’ve gone over to EU, I see about three to five new NA players on map each day. It’s only a matter of time before a big T1-T2 guild decides to give it a try too. If anything it’s a reprieve from the same old stale matches NA is facing now — an adventure of sorts.

JaNordy.6149:

I expect my mini in the mail by now

lol that chat log is hilarious.

Man Wididyth your english is so much better than my terrible french

I’m pretty sure this is a random issue with Anet’s end, because I had unplayable lag about two weeks ago that went away after they did some tweak, and haven’t had it since.

But check one thing: go into your GW2 folder … Documents > GW2 and take a look at your local.dat file. If its bigger than 15mbs then delete it and let the game repopulate it. It’s your UI settings so you’ll have to redo them once you log back in, but something’s wonky with the file in that it grows daily, and deleting it seemed to help my lag issues. No idea why though.

Also here:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/tech/Official-response-on-the-Lag-issues-please

Yep was just gonna post the same thing. You can have 10 mail max before you have to delete to get any more.

Gellor.6497:

Jayne.9251:

Gellor.6497:

Jayne.9251:

Gellor.6497:

Jayne.9251:

Nikked.7365:

eithinan.9841:

WAGON COAST WAGON COAST!!!!! wah wah wah !!!

Well, this certainly creates a visual.

Buh?

Get out of here <3, go back to the EU! We miss you

EU is insane. I’m not kidding. But in a good way

I miss ya’ll too, have been reading and playing catchup tonight.

Heard EU has more smaller scale fights? Zerg is not the meta

There are zergs, but not to the extreme as I saw on NA (well except for Jade Sea, lol man there are an awful lot of french who play GW2). More open-field fights at multiple points on the map by separate guild pushes, less focus on meta/ppt, and not as much siege (which, as you know, gives me the twitchies, cos I have this odd siege addiction issue — I really went to EU to deal with it cold turkey, lol).

LOL, yea this sounds like it would very interesting and tempting…. how is the ping/lag on the servers?

We’re gonna get spanked for this, lol.

I freaked out for a bit because my second week there I had massive lag, literally unplayable, so I thought it was an issue of someone from NA playing on EU, and was grousing to myself over “what did I do?!!” I found out it was an Anet issue and not just EU players were experiencing it. Relief. Next week was normal .. in fact in some cases it was better, simply because you’d get 100+ zergs on the map and I could actually still use all my skills. I assume this was the same on NA? That lag has improved?

Gellor.6497:

Jayne.9251:

Gellor.6497:

Jayne.9251:

Nikked.7365:

eithinan.9841:

WAGON COAST WAGON COAST!!!!! wah wah wah !!!

Well, this certainly creates a visual.

Buh?

Get out of here <3, go back to the EU! We miss you

EU is insane. I’m not kidding. But in a good way

I miss ya’ll too, have been reading and playing catchup tonight.

Heard EU has more smaller scale fights? Zerg is not the meta

There are zergs, but not to the extreme as I saw on NA (well except for Jade Sea, lol man there are an awful lot of french who play GW2). More open-field fights at multiple points on the map by separate guild pushes, less focus on meta/ppt, and not as much siege (which, as you know, gives me the twitchies, cos I have this odd siege addiction issue — I really went to EU to deal with it cold turkey, lol).

To keep reasonably on topic of thread: TC reached out to PVE crowd for months .. I know I (and others) would go into all the major hubs and recruit each morning, offering WvW clinics for beginners pretty much since November. FA reaching out to the PVE crowd is just smart.

Edited to add map example of typical night, showing multiple fights all over:

Gellor.6497:

Jayne.9251:

Nikked.7365:

eithinan.9841:

WAGON COAST WAGON COAST!!!!! wah wah wah !!!

Well, this certainly creates a visual.

Buh?

Get out of here <3, go back to the EU! We miss you

EU is insane. I’m not kidding. But in a good way

I miss ya’ll too, have been reading and playing catchup tonight.

Nikked.7365:

eithinan.9841:

WAGON COAST WAGON COAST!!!!! wah wah wah !!!

Well, this certainly creates a visual.

Buh?

EU has national servers, meaning that they all speak a specific language, be it spanish, french or german. There are also international servers, which are typically english, but don’t quote me on that.

You can tell the difference between the servers by the little flags on the MOS:

http://mos.millenium.org/eu

The pure blue ones are the international servers. The others are corresponding language according to national flag colours. So in Tier 1 for example, 1 and 2 are french servers, the third one is international. But even those aren’t set in stone. I know Viz has english speaking people. Maybe someone more familiar can elucidate further?

Oh I don’t think anyone is saying one is better than the other .. just different. At least that’s my take on it.

NA has a wealth of bodies. Subsequently most pushes involve those masses. EU has fewer outside of prime time, so it follows that different modes of play evolve out of that.

NEEDS MOAR HOLES!!!

Naw I’d start at about 8am EST and often not log off until about 10-11pm at night on NA play, so I got to see a big swathe of timezone play. And yes, have faced MERC and ATM, so I know they bring numbers. It was just a whole different kind of mass I saw out of Jade Sea, lol.

I honestly think the skill lag has more to do with the kinds of graphics related to spells used and class stacking than sheer numbers, although I’m sure that does play a part. Even facing 120 JS players that time I could still get skills off, but they were mixed class blob — ie: not a million mesmers with the purple shiny stuff, lol.

And nope, haven’t faced Viz yet, but looking forward to it

Rider.6024:

Jayne.9251:

However, having said that, there have been zergs I’ve seen in one matchup on EU that were the biggest I’ve seen in my life — easily 120 players in one big angry red blob, lol. Never saw that many at in one spot at once in NA, even with SoR and BG.

Ya that is a load of bull, even H.O.D., a lower tier sever from N.A., had 100+ man zergs running around during the lsst free transfer weekend. So I have no idea how you “never” saw one from SoR or BG.

I wasn’t being facetious. I played 14-16 hour days in WvW in NA since November, seven days a week. Have been matched up against SoR/BG/DB … and while they did have sizeable zergs, I had never before seen zergs that large as I did when I first went over to EU and faced Jade Sea. A wall of bodies. It was unbelievable. I have no reason to make this up, lol.

Maybe the lower tiers got a massive influx of players with free transfers … and that’s the norm, day after day, on low tier servers, but in the higher tiers, I had not witnessed comparable numbers all in one spot attacking one objective. And I haven’t really played the lower tiers, so I can only go with what I have faced.

But that was just against Jade Sea. Other servers have more representative sized zergs .. like 80 or so players … it could have been an anomoly with Jade Sea. Haven’t faced Viz yet tho

Appears necro pets can do this now too.

This is not good. Lol, please fix.

There’s no way a pet should be able to climb stairs and get inside an unbreached tower or keep.

Thought this was fixed a while ago? Using the “guard” function was changed to prevent the pet from going inside towers or keeps and attacking while the ranger was outside the tower/keep in WvW.

Seeing a lot of ranger pets inside attacking siege, running through solid gates and into an unbreached keep/tower and running up steps to attack siege well off from targetable/aoe areas.

In fact I’ll just delete it all. My point was that you don’t need stuff like this, it’s far more useful to use other methods.

Think this applies:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/account/Farming-WvW-tokens-exploit

Starting to see more and more NA faces in EU maps.

I guess folks are tired of the same stale matches and are looking for new challenges. EU is definately more for the hardcore WvWer though, the differences in strategy alone have renewed my enjoyment of WvW. Will be interesting to watch how this pans out in EU WvW in the coming months as more trickle over to try new stuff. Think it could make for some very exciting play time.