I want to make a dps elementalist for wvw but I’m not sure which is the best to create character between human or asura ?
So to give a better answer here.
My human ele gets focused a lot in WvW, stands out a bit more since it is bigger. My asura ele doesn’t get focused even close to as much as my human one does because it is smaller and surrounded by bigger people. People who are not using tab targetting are more likely to target a bigger target in my experience.
Okay those people aren’t duelers, they’re roamers. Someone dueling is bowing at an enemy, receiving a bow back from the enemy initiating the fight then fighting them 1v1. Not ganking, that is a roamer thing lol.
And how the heck is a third player supposed to know that the 1v1 he encountered started with two courteous bows, lol?
Personally I dont even find it a problem. Quite the contrary, its more fun when it happens. If the duel was mutual, the duelist that got a +1 will surely disengage. If he does not he’s not honorable enough to even be called a duelist, so the point is moot. The +1 will then probably get roflstomped because he’s in no way built to win against a duelist. If said duelist dies… well sucks to be him, he failed.
I think its pretty simple, if you just see 2 people fighting – leave them alone lol. Pretty easy.
Nope. If one of them is from my server, I will move in to support my ally. I might need him to help me take a camp or man some siege. If neither are from my server, I’ll make sure the survivor doesn’t walk away, if I can’t take them both out at once with a well-placed Gunflame.
I have some bad news for you that you don’t want to hear. If you aren’t able to solo a camp, you’re not good at the game.
If there is 1 person fighting 1 other person – let it be. Don’t interfere, more likely than not, that person you “helped” is going to be LESS likely to help you take a camp or man siege if you interfere in their 1v1, they may even troll you for it. Thats what I would do.
And it figures you’re a gunflame warrior who relies on that to kill stuff lol. Further proof from my first statement in the post. I’d love to fight you on my ele, you can gunflame me all day and I can “/laugh” when you end up putting yourself in down state.
To those screaming “Duel in guild hall, eotm or OS” – I have bad news for you. I don’t know ANY of the people I am dueling ever lmao. We usually just run in to each other, bow and go. We don’t just have a community of duelers looking for duels, its usually people solo roaming who run into another solo roamer.
Thats leads my question. Do you prefer duelling in the open field in WvW or would you prefer duelling in PvP? Your opponent gets chosen similar to normal conquest/stronghold, the map is designed for duels, you get opponents from all worlds including your own, the armor/weapons are independent of your gold account, nobody can disturb you, etc.
WvW for sure.
PvP builds are very limited, there isn’t a whole lot of build diversity there and the armor spec is way different. In WvW, I can mismatch my gear, build for more of certain thing or build for more balance than PvP can offer.
Since they dropped Celestial amulet from PvP, I rarely go back. They should have just nurfed it a little bit, not removed it all together.
Roaming is still pretty good in NA servers. I’m on Blackgate which is top of tier 1 and I run a small man roaming group. My stream is in my forum signature if you want to see how roaming is there.
To those screaming “Duel in guild hall, eotm or OS” – I have bad news for you. I don’t know ANY of the people I am dueling ever lmao. We usually just run in to each other, bow and go. We don’t just have a community of duelers looking for duels, its usually people solo roaming who run into another solo roamer.
1v1s are tests of personal skill – some people just don’t have that which is why they zerg around all the time I suppose.
A solo player flips the dredges to support them in taking the supply camp.
Extra NPCs in a supply camp in theory should prevent it from being easily flipped. and buy time for the controller realm to defend it from the attack.
Thus promoting PvP.
I guess some players rather have no NPCs at the camp. so any one standing there can take claim over it.. without a fight.
Having guards in camps is fine – having excessive PvE stuff is pointless though. It doesn’t stop me from taking a camp with the pve there, its easy enough to kill – but the extra pve mobs dont need to be there.
Who cares, just kill them.
This is like when the karma trainers in eotm complained and cried about duelers killing karma training upscales in eotm. The duelers aregument was that “this is a pvp area hurr durr go pve blah blah”
Same applies here, its a pvp area and you can and should kill everyone with a red nametag.
Thing is if you kill duelers with zerg they get angry and start harassing ur zerg and ur own server duellers will start messing with ur defense activations also giving info to other team and all that stuff what you love , its just better leave duellers alone makes ur life easyer
Yes sir. If I am dueling someone and my servers zerg blobs down my fight – you better bet I will start following that zerg and dropping troll food on them every time they stop and troll trebs on every supply depot when they cap stuff. I am that guy, will always be that guy. You mess with how I want to play, I’ll mess with how you want to play.
Moral of the story is to treat others the way you want to be treated. If you want people to mess with your game play, go ahead and mess with theirs.
Funny, how people think that creating elements that promote player vs player engagement equals to PvE. foolish.
Not sure exactly what that is supposed to mean. I don’t really know that anyone really flips the dredge in EBG so that the PVE mobs will go take camps for them, the only reason I ever flip dredge is so that the stupid dredge turrets will not daze me anymore. More PvE garbage that didn’t need to be there lol..
This thread is just another attempt to make sure small guilds leave WvW.
You really haven’t a clue what you are talking about.
I have a small guild which I have solo upgraded to level 47 so far including all WvW upgrades and I started this thread so don’t talk rubbish about this being an anti-small guild thread.
What exactly is your definition of small then? My guild has 19 members with only 4-5 on at any given time, all we do is WvW which really puts a big stop to us being able to level the guild. And I also don’t like to spent a boat load of money on gems to upgrade either, already been down that road to get us where we are so far.
Okay those people aren’t duelers, they’re roamers. Someone dueling is bowing at an enemy, receiving a bow back from the enemy initiating the fight then fighting them 1v1. Not ganking, that is a roamer thing lol.
And how the heck is a third player supposed to know that the 1v1 he encountered started with two courteous bows, lol?
Personally I dont even find it a problem. Quite the contrary, its more fun when it happens. If the duel was mutual, the duelist that got a +1 will surely disengage. If he does not he’s not honorable enough to even be called a duelist, so the point is moot. The +1 will then probably get roflstomped because he’s in no way built to win against a duelist. If said duelist dies… well sucks to be him, he failed.
I think its pretty simple, if you just see 2 people fighting – leave them alone lol. Pretty easy.
It sounds to me like Morozzko.2136 got ran over by some duelers for interfering and is mad.
If you don’t like Alpine and miss DBL – just do what so many people who hated DBL did and quit WvW for awhile. It might make my queues smaller by about 10 people who actually liked DBL lol.
Again, thanks ANet for hearing the majority and bringing Alpine back, my guild is having a ton of fun again in WvW finally.
Shield generators were part of the expansion, if you don’t have it, you can’t use them even if they’re already built. I’m pretty sure you can sell them on the TP still though.
I used one yesterday. Unless it was an extremely vivid dream or I was drugged or drunk without knowing.
On my alt account before I got the expansion on it, I couldn’t even use one. Try it out, maybe they made it to where you can – I am not sure. A lot of changes have happened recently so it wouldn’t surprise me.
Why do you care what other people are doing? If you want to blob around, go for it – let other people do what they’re doing if they’re just doing 1v1s.
This is like when the karma trainers in eotm complained and cried about duelers killing karma training upscales in eotm. The duelers aregument was that “this is a pvp area hurr durr go pve blah blah”
Same applies here, its a pvp area and you can and should kill everyone with a red nametag.
Okay those people aren’t duelers, they’re roamers. Someone dueling is bowing at an enemy, receiving a bow back from the enemy initiating the fight then fighting them 1v1. Not ganking, that is a roamer thing lol.
Shield generators were part of the expansion, if you don’t have it, you can’t use them even if they’re already built. I’m pretty sure you can sell them on the TP still though.
Alpine functions better than DBL. There’s no PvLabrynths. Few PvCliffs. Fewer pirate-ship forcing choke points. No stealth dust bowls.
There may be areas where Alpine could be improved, but at least I don’t feel like I’m fighting the map when I’m in there.
Exactly, thank you. I don’t want to be fighting the map which is the most fighting action I got on DBL.
Just throwing something out there for you.
My guild is level 13, we barely have any of the WvW buffs because ANet made most things unattainable for small guilds to get. It will be awhile before I have more WvW buffs, I currently only have the exp and magic find buffs and the ability to claim towers and camps lol. But I can’t progress my guilds WvW buffs until I progress other PvE things in my guild hall so that I can get other things.
Prior to HoT, my guild had all of the WvW buffs. We desperately miss what we already earned, but have no way to get it back besides spending insane amounts of money on guild hall upgrades.
Why I claim things with only my 2 tiny buffs? Because I worked hard for those two tiny buffs lol. I only claim camps and the occasional tower – but I only claim things that I actually captured with my 3-5 man group.
Is it a troll claim? Nope, its just a claim because I took it lol.
1: Example: Bay, and SWT… SWT can treb Bay, but Bay can’t Treb SWT. Proper. This placement forces the players that own the keep to come out and fight, and engage the tower to destory the treb.
Well its been 7 months since I played Alpine, so my memory might be rusty, but I thought there was a spot in Bay that could hit the cata wall at SWT with a treb. I think it was an unconventional place where it could easily be hit by ranged attackers, but I am pretty sure there was a place to do it.
Example2: Hills trebbing SET, broken. Requires not planning, or defending of the treb on hills to simply take the SET.
Yeah that has always been an issue since there is no good way to defend against it from the tower itself. I generally would run up to the hills treb spot and build an AC and take out the treb.
As to the rest of your post, I’m just not going to bother replying. You obviously enjoy the PvE aspects of WvW more than the intended game play.
Asura master race.
why asura master race ?
Why do you care what other people are doing? If you want to blob around, go for it – let other people do what they’re doing if they’re just doing 1v1s.
like a premade of 4 people in ranked who sell win for gold? yes all aspects care me when it bound with me, and i cant leave them like a party in fractals
What in the world does that have to do with people 1v1ing???
Apart from the fact that duellers don’t kill eachother, they let eachother revive from downstate…
just do whatever you want, but don’t expect any help from them when you get ganked later on…
Exactly, usually I have a 5 man group with me when I am dueling, if any enemies jump in, they get rekt. Same thing with the person who is dueling me, they usually have several friends watching for one of our people to jump in and the kill them and my guys do not help. It is just like a dueling code lol. Only thing we can’t really do much about is when a blob rolls through.
Why do you care what other people are doing? If you want to blob around, go for it – let other people do what they’re doing if they’re just doing 1v1s.
It needs to depend on how many people the commander has in his squad. We don’t need 50 people running tags while they are flipping camps just to get better rewards.
While I agree, I can see this being easily abused. Like they’re still running 50 people but have 5 commander tags and 10 people in each squad, but all actually following just one person.
I’m now curious how the others running D/Wh counter kiting
I generally use firey GS if I REALLY want to catch someone. But really, if I get into a 1v1 with a thief or someone who runs away and end up having a moment where they’re close to me, I hit air 4 knock down, air overload and then “Aftershock!” to immobilize them while I continue DPS in my air over load after-cast. Unless they blink/shadowstep/condi clear and get away, it is usually enough to win a fight.
Asura master race.
PvE: Zerker
WvW: Celestial
PvP: Paladins (in my opinion)
No one else? :|
I’ve always thought there should be incentives given to commanders, but it might be a little too late to be handing something like that out.
That and people would complain that a commander tag is 300g so it makes the rewards too hard to get.
On another note, they should really drop the tag price down to 100g again imo.
People — don’t be ridiculous. ~rolls eyes~ I don’t see where “all the threads” are getting deleted. Not even “most.” Probably fewer than one in a hundred, and only with cause.
In this case, I temporarily removed a thread about what a player called an exploit, as we do threads of that type. I mean, if you think about it, leaving up a “how to” to a genuine exploit would be foolish. In under five minutes, I got the answer I needed from a dev and I’ve restored the thread.
Think that explains the situation, but if you have questions, drop a line to Forums@Arena.Net and we can look into your concerns.
Makes plenty of sense to me. The more people know about the exploit, the more it can be used.
http://asphyxia.tv/wvw-roaming-warrior-build/
^ The roaming build I use for WvW. It is pretty fun. My other builds are in the link in my forum signature.
50% of the Map is wasted space.
If Alpine has 50% wasted space and we know that Desert had at least twice as much wasted space, it means that Desert had 100% wasted space.
It makes sense.
+1, DBL was 100% wasted space for sure.
They should have just merged the servers honestly. Completely kill 12 servers then basically say to those people “If you don’t like where your server was merged in to, here is a free transfer to anywhere else you want to go that is not full.”
Sure people would complain, you people complain about everything. But it would have been effective.
Just give me 7 months of Alpine since I have had to be without it for 7 months then you can start rotating once every week or something lol. I don’t want them to rotate the DBL in ever again personally. When it is in play again, my guild won’t be playing WvW.
And we had 2 years + (almost 3) of ABL going with your line of thought…..
Sure, but when we were asked the opinion of the DBL maps in their beta testing, a lot of people gave the same exact feedback that was given to bring Alpine back. They noticed the issues in a weekend that we had to deal with for 7 months, ANet didn’t listen to us then – I hope they don’t make their mistake twice.
Just give me 7 months of Alpine since I have had to be without it for 7 months then you can start rotating once every week or something lol. I don’t want them to rotate the DBL in ever again personally. When it is in play again, my guild won’t be playing WvW.
I didn’t say remove the guards in the camps. I’m saying DON’T ADD MORE PVE.
Yeah unfortunately I’m using a 42in plasma TV as my screen. Which I do like, but its a bit dated at this point. I’m spending all of my extra money building a race car right now so no more buying computer stuff until that is done lol.
There wouldn’t be a queue problem if ANet also got off their duff and fixed it so that we the players physically could NOT “stack servers”…
I think it is a little too late for that. They do need to unlink the T1 and T2 NA servers from having a partner server though – none of them need help at all and all those extra people are doing is contributing to the queues.
Because it is rather poor implementation to “rotate” them. All maps should just be active at once, so nobody has to be “benched” while they wait for their favorite map to come back into rotation…
First thing you’ve said that I almost agree with, but I’ll still be benched if I am queued out of whatever the Alpine map is that week and still forced in to playing maps I don’t want to play on.
If they decide to rotate maps, my guild will be taking however many weeks off WvW when they rotate DBL back in. I think a lot of guilds will go on a WvW strike if they rotate it back in. The majority is happy with Alpine, I’ve said it several times – the numbers speak for themselves. If you are too dense to notice, there is no hope for you.
It’s not PvE in WvW.. it’s WvW with incentive. Some of the best large scale wars happen during the time of relics. Perhaps you were not playing at the time.. If a keep held a relic, your realm would focus on defending it more. Having to give up other parts of your land, in order to pull back and defend your relic keep. It was the golden age of WvW.
You mean when the game came out, there were a lot of good fights? Wonder if maybe that was because the game was still fresh and new, and not because the relics were good? Relics were an awful thing and they needed removed lol.
There is nothing wrong with NPCs in WvW.
Yes there really is, they’re not necessary. PvE should not be taking objectives – it isn’t necessary at all.
Being that a keep is already a super strong structure, it should not have the ablity to easily snipe down towers from it’s very protected safe spot. Towers are different as it’s only 1 layer of defense, and you can easily counter cata/ballie a treb that is set up in a tower.
I get it, but Trebs in general are pretty annoying. Historically, the treb is being used as it was designed to be used.
The game should not be set up so that the strong just get stronger. keep things a challenge.\
And the relics would change this??? lol.
relic were removed because floating hackers were destroying the Alters of power and reseting the relics. The current Ruins provide the same benefit that the old relics provided. Instead of solving the issue with the hackers, they just removed what the hackers were after. That doesn’t solve the problem.
Ruins are a better system, sure its also power creep because a strong server can just take people to each map and capture the ruins, but this is a GREAT place for roamers. I love fighting in the ruins personally – it has brought me more good fights than just about anywhere else in the game besides maybe north camp.
1440×900 resolution and not once did it get in the way. An option to turn it off would great if it were just that: an option. I like to know if a camp or tower gets flipped so I know where the action is happening.
Your resolution might have been the resolution that they had in mind, mine was not. I think mine is something like 1366×768 and it takes up 1/3 of my screen almost.
Trebbing Towers from Keeps.(this is also an issue in EB).
-Keeps should not be able to treb Towers.. However, Towers should be able to treb Keeps.
Why do you think that? Like really, I don’t get that logic at all.
50% of the Map is wasted space.
-The top left and top right corners of the map, should have something more to them. Perhaps put in a Tower in each of those corners. And these towers are protected by the NPCs that spawn in that area. Top right tower would have Centaur NPCs protecting it. Top Left would have NPC skrit protecting it.
I don’t think that is 50%, more like maybe 20% if that. Those areas are pretty wasted and I think they could put something there, not sure what though. Maybe a couple more camps? Idk.
NPCs from these towers would spawn and and press towards East and West Supply camps and attempt to capture them.(like EB)
Uhh do you mean like the dredge and hylics? If so, please god no. We really don’t need any more PvE aspects in WvW.
North Camp(Area):
-The north camp in the Bls have huge protected walls that provide no protection. -Please, make the huge walls that outline this north part of the map, with Siege doors, and have the walls destructible.
Those big walls make for nice choke points. I usually get bigger groups to try to chase my smaller group out of those tiny doors then blow them up when they try to follow us through. I think its good to keep the way it is because it promotes strategic fighting game play personally.
-Place a Tower to the North North of this area, and bring back RELICS. (put the relic in this tower).
Please no.
Outdated look:
-The alpine maps look dated, and lack lush feel and life.
Maybe its because the map is 3 years old? It is still far more practical than DBL was. The textures may not be the most up to date, but why do you care so much about the looks anyway? Its practical, its functional, it looks fine, it just isn’t DIFFERENT lol.
RELICS:
-Bring relics back. Have relics tied to the death of the NPCs keep lord instead of on the alter of power. Allow Relics to be placed in any objective (keeps, towers, supply camps).Relic Benefits:
-Double the Points earn from that objective
-Reduce the dolyak upgrade requirement by 50% on the objective that the Relic was placed on,.
-for each relic your realm controls gain 25% coin/xp/magic find.
Sounds like more PvE in WvW. Really not necessary man. I don’t get why anyone wants more PvE in WvW.. If you want your PvE, go to PvE land, leave it out of WvW.
I’d rather have no new content where the existing content is high quality than poorly-implemented new content.
So entitled for someone who paid $50 for 3 years of entertainment.
Having to remove content a development team spent years working on just because you can’t imagine a system that support 4 different maps… This seems like a abdication to me.
I’m certainly not going to reinstall the game now that the only new WvW content has been removed. I was expecting fixes and improvements, not a rollback to 3 years ago.
That is not the only new WvW content. All of the new tactivator things, guild claiming things, reward tracks, dolyak buffs, siege disablers and other stuff is still in place. A lot of “new content” is there, just not the garbage impractical new map.
I also look at this from a business perspective, which is sometimes hard to do when you’re the customer.
Having 24 servers is expensive, 12 servers is likely half the cost. It is hard to justify having the bottom 2 tiers at all because there was probably a total of 40 people tops a week (between all time zones) on those servers that even entered WvW. From a business stand point, those 40 people aren’t supporting keeping those servers open.
Keep in mind, your $0-$100 you spent to buy the game/expansion doesn’t go too far. Lets say every one of the 40 people paid $100, that is $4000. Now that is enough money to buy a decent server, but it wouldn’t be enough to host it. So basically the lower tier servers are losing money.
Now all of that above is assuming the way that their servers are set up – they may all be hosted on 4 physical servers for all I know, but if each server has its own physical server, that gets expensive quick.
I thought all servers were virtualized clusters these days. If that is how Anet does it, load is more a factor than # of servers. There may be some additional overhead for adding new maps but I suspect the real load comes from active parts of the system … ie the players themselves. IN this case reducing the load of WvW would be to literally get rid of the WvW population. I doubt that is Anets goal.
But I haven’t worked in IT in a long time and have never worked on MMO’s so I could be wrong here.
I’m a software developer personally. I am not sure how ANet had their servers set up though. I figure that the load the servers are under for WvW would merit having separate physical servers but I could not say for sure.
I wasn’t bored of playing these maps for almost 3 years prior to HoT release and I’m not bored of playing them now. In fact, I’m incredibly excited about their return because it has brought life back in to WvW for me and my guild.
I also look at this from a business perspective, which is sometimes hard to do when you’re the customer.
Having 24 servers is expensive, 12 servers is likely half the cost. It is hard to justify having the bottom 2 tiers at all because there was probably a total of 40 people tops a week (between all time zones) on those servers that even entered WvW. From a business stand point, those 40 people aren’t supporting keeping those servers open.
Keep in mind, your $0-$100 you spent to buy the game/expansion doesn’t go too far. Lets say every one of the 40 people paid $100, that is $4000. Now that is enough money to buy a decent server, but it wouldn’t be enough to host it. So basically the lower tier servers are losing money.
Now all of that above is assuming the way that their servers are set up – they may all be hosted on 4 physical servers for all I know, but if each server has its own physical server, that gets expensive quick.
If you don’t like where you were paired with, transfer to a lower population server in the bottom tier.
As it currently stands, we have 5 tier 1 servers in NA. Blackgate, Yaks Bend, Jade Quarry, Dragonbrand and Tarnished Coast. The populations of those servers are incredible, and they were already incredible before the world linking. In my opinion, none of those servers should have been linked with another server, but its fine I suppose. I am on Blackgate and I would be fighting queues rather the server linking happened or not.
Orpheal.8263 – I didn’t read your post. You seem ranty and I don’t really care about what you wrote lol.
I read the first couple lines, a real WvW player is someone who almost exclusively plays WvW and doesn’t ONLY k-train around the maps. Your definition might differ from mine, which is fine – but if all you do is run around with zergs, I have a hard time taking your talent as a WvW player seriously.
Also, I say almost exclusively because we are sometimes forced by ANet to do PvE to get things that would better our WvW experience, such as guild hall upgrades, ascended armor, ascended weapons, etc.
Edit, read a little more – 20 hours in DBL, but between my 2 accounts, 6000 hours in WvW total. Most of which were in Alpine.
anyone who defines what a true wvw player is, isn’t a true wvw player if you ask me because there are so many different ways to play and no one way defines it..
6k hours and 20 hours in the DBL.. lol casual
I stopped doing WvW when DBL came out for several months and played PvP where they wanted me to be since I play with 5 or less people generally. I don’t know a lot of people who are rank 2760 that didn’t ktrain with blobs for their ranks. Most of my WvW time was with my small group and some 15 man skill groups as well.
But yeah, I am just a casual these days. Now that Alpine is back, I’ll try to impress you by playing more.
Agreed with Deniara – answer is YES now that Alpine is back. I’ve already brought back several people to the game who quit when DBL came out.
I think there are bigger issues I’d rather see them fixing lol.