Guild Wars 2

lightson.2310:

This is a stupid idea…

It’s not like they could have just reduced the amount of points to spend in that line if they felt the first 230 points was a lot…

Yet Yakslapper is reasonable.

wow finally we got WvW changes Nerfs.

And the passive Tower/Camp upgrades just wow.

Sebrent.3625:

Fast Hands is not build-defining. It is an awesome luxury. Comparing 5s reduced cooldown on weapon swap to a Mesmer shattering around their self in addition to around their clones is silly.

Yeah its a luxery, but when mesmers get 6 Baseline traits then its OK, right ?

And on top of that they get chronomancer OP Aids line and that trait OMG “Times Marches On” Dogged March + Warrior Sprint in one trait as Minor ??!!!

give me a break dude, like mesmer needed a buff.

ronpierce.2760:

Juba.8406:

ronpierce.2760:

I can prove otherwise…

still waiting for that prove.

PVE main.

Well that proved a lot but not the kind of proof i wanted.

You failed to give us a working build without “Fast Hands”.

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

Just explain why it is essential to Warrior. Any reason you come up with can as easily be applied to any other class. It is an incredibly powerful trait and should not be baseline.

Because Warriors are masters of weaponry ?

Because Warriors are 80% melee class ?

Because Warriors got no AI ?

Because Warriors got no stealth, teleports, instant cast attacks, protection, regeneration, aegis, perma evades or combo fields ?

Because leaving Fast Hands as its now means every warrior will have to trait Discipline ?

Because Warriors got 00000000.00 ZERO Baseline traits ?

hmmmm lets see what others got :

Thief
Traits that are now baseline:

• +1 Venom additional charges.

Guardian
Traits that are now baseline:

• Consecrated Ground (Consecration skills use ground targeting).
• Elite duration increase.
• Improved Spirit weapon duration.

Mesmer
Traits that are now baseline:

• Reduced glamour recharge rate.
• Phantasmal damage boost.
• Manipulation range.
• Illusionary Persona: Shattering illusions creates the shatter effect on you as well.
• Illusionary Elasticity: Bouncing attacks have one additional bounce.
• Protective Mantras: Gain extra armor when you cast a mantra

Necromancer
Traits that are now baseline:

• Wells uses ground targeting.
• Minion recharge reduction.
• Focus weapon range increases.

Ranger
Traits that are now baseline:

• Longbow velocity increase and range increase.
• 75% trigger rate on spirits.
• Grant fury on use of Survival skills.

Hope not.

getting rid of +boon & +condi from trait lines was the right thing to do, i hope they keep it that way even for gear.

DC in ranked arena and cant join again

521MB here ……

/scream

need this so bad.

Now that what i call Karma.

ronpierce.2760:

Juba.8406:

ronpierce.2760:

Wolfe.3097:

so what i gather, is we shouldnt have viable alternative choices in builds?

But that doesn’t mean it’s impossible to be successful without.

Yes its impossible.

i dont think you play warrior, i think you just want warriors locked down in Discipline just like what we have currently.

I can prove otherwise…

still waiting for that prove.

ronpierce.2760:

They should just reduce weapon swap to 5 sec across the board.

and warriors get 1s swap ?! ok fine by me.

Assassin X.8573:

Juba.8406:

We need to go to ANET HQ and demand this.

You agree with me fellow warriors, right ?

P.S. hope you get my point of this thread < put flame shield anyway:)

Why is this a question and no. Having been around since closed beta days and using longbow throughout most of the time, I have seen it go from utterly terrible but still fun, to being brought to overpowered, and them readjusted to be balanced. Longbow is fine as it is. You want to remove longbow and have rifle be our only means of ranged combat? Rifle would need a complete overhaul because it is in a miserable state.

Give a suggestion for replacement or suggestion for fix instead of filling the forum with more garbage posts.

Its zo OPz.

but nvm Anet can delete Rifle too.

Holl.3109:

Guys, necro has absurd cast times on it’s GS.
Are you really thinking war GS is worse then necro GS? War GS has superior mobility and pretty good DMG. I don’t know what necromancer will bring exactly, cause I would want to play it first, but it looks like superior damage and CC/Chill is what Necro GS will bring.
Both are good, but I’d rather have mobility though :P

Yeah but still i can see Necro GS rocking well in PvP, cant say the same for War GS.

War GS needs something extra there, like 5-target cleave on all skills minus skill #5, make it “the cleave” weapon, Mobility is great for WvW but not that good for conquest PvP.

So warriors stole the dragon egg ?

Nah hope not, warrior needs no pets, and since warr is not a magic user profession i think we might get one of the followings… Tricks, Elixirs, Gadgets, Weapon kits or Survival skills.

Twisted Marionette should be a World Boss.

Mordremoth uses our world’s ley line and portal his minions to the White House.

then Justin Bieber says “If Mordremoth could attack the White House, it can attack anywhere.”

Yeah better make a new song by Asja Kadric.

Silverstone.4539:

•Relentless Pursuit – is a good start

You got “Time Marches On” for your mesmer.

i don’t know what ANET is thinking, its like every profession will get their own version of a better “Dogged March” trait.

We need to go to ANET HQ and demand this.

You agree with me fellow warriors, right ?

P.S. hope you get my point of this thread < put flame shield anyway:)

ronpierce.2760:

Wolfe.3097:

so what i gather, is we shouldnt have viable alternative choices in builds?

But that doesn’t mean it’s impossible to be successful without.

Yes its impossible.

i dont think you play warrior, i think you just want warriors locked down in Discipline just like what we have currently.

Well i’m feeling jelly for that pull skill “Reaper’s Grasp”.

Anyway as i said before Warrior GS need to be a 5-target cleave weapon, as warrior is not a magic user this change suits him well.

ZeftheWicked.3076:

Warrior – they’ll probs get some elementalist skills. A minion of some form would be the first and most obvious possibility for the warrior, since he’s the only profession that has absolutely no minions of any kind.

deleting my warrior if that happens.

Same issue with Unsuspecting Foe, you can’t have it all i guess.

Elorna.5329:

They are meant to be desirable properties that make or break builds, and entire trait lines.

dude can you hear yourself ? “Make or Break build” ?! , Dude Fast Hands Make or Break Warrior , and its not a desire it’s a must.

get your PvE out of here, for real dude its not even an argument.

Discipline with current state will be 100% stable in every warrior build.

Kamikazi.5380:

Why do we keep getting these threads? No it should not be made baseline, and it will never be made baseline.

Even if it becomes baseline, Discipline is still by far the best trait line for Warrior. Adrenaline and might on weapon switch, Warrior’s Sprint, Destruction of the Empowered, Brawler’s Recovery, Burst Mastery, there’s too many good traits on this line to not pick it up.

So Fast Hands might as well stay in Discipline, because with or without it any sensible Warrior will still pick Discipline.

Ok lets say you wanted the new spec line.

You cant let go of Discipline, you can’t let go of Defense, what you got left, you Need strength too if you want to use mending or GS and maybe Axe. you see ?

Which line would you let go ?

But if we got at least “Fast Hands” as Besline , while i would love to get “Warrior’s Sprint” too, then you know we might drop Discipline if the new spec is good.

If Fast Hands still there, no matter what specs they make Discipline will be there in every build.

akaCryptic.2389:

Sure it should be baseline. But did we really need another topic on this since there are other threads as well as in depth discussion on overall trait change threads?

Nah.

We need 19 more “Fast Hands” threads.

witcher.3197:

choucs.4507:

witcher.3197:

Have you heard about shoutbow? It’s a horribly broken build with crazy sustain and it requires absolutely no skill.

LOL That’s definitely the reason why people are having difficulties to actually find a good warrior to compete in high level. LOL. there’s so little active good warrior right now, if backpack actually stayed on his engi and actually find a decent warrior they would have a better chance beating abjured. just a note, not disrespecting backpacks or anything, hes engi is insanely good, but his warrior is so kitten it’s not even real.

Playing at a competitive level is always hard no matter what build you’re running but you can’t ignore the fact that shoutbow’s one of the most forgiving builds in existence and even a monkey could play that. There are people who are obviously better at the spec than others, I’m just saying that the gap between a bad and a good shoutbow is a lot smaller than it is between a good and a bad shatter mes plus requires tremendously less effort to make it work.

I wonder what will happen if ANET deleted the longbow for warrior .

^^^

Can you make a build without “Fast Hands” ?,
did you say No ? thought so.

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For Nay sayers, i just want to point you to the fact that we got 0 ZERO baseline traits

lets see what others got:

And I’m pretty sure engi will get some TBD baseline traits.

choucs.4507:

LOL you people are clueless, if you don’t play warrior get the kitten out of here.

Your little marathon on foot map-clearing mobility is kitten as kitten.
What really matters and we are talking about is in fight mobility.
mesmer has easily one of the highest in fight mobility while being extremly slow to do your little PvE map clearing kitten that nobody cares, go back to PvE you PvE farmers, no body care.

Reason why thief kill mesmer so easy it’s because of their crazy amount of insta cap closer. warrior’s gap closer can not even compare. i can just run double range on mesmer and perma kit any warrior to death. LOLOL

You know the reason why there’s only 3 DPS in the meta? INSTA GAP CLOSER.
it’s way better then any on foot mobility.

witcher.3197:

Have you heard about shoutbow? It’s a horribly broken build with crazy sustain and it requires absolutely no skill.

LOL That’s definitely the reason why people are having difficulties to actually find a good warrior to compete in high level. LOL. there’s so little active good warrior right now, if backpack actually stayed on his engi and actually find a decent warrior they would have a better chance beating abjured. just a note, backpacks warrior is so kitten it’s not even real.

QFTT

Next time when face a mesmer with “Times Marches On” on top of his insane in fight mobility, just type “/sleep” and get ready to respawn.

Eiland.1405:

Unarmed could be real cool – just give warrior 5 skills +burst when no weapon is equipped (or only OH or MH) but where would you put the sigils?
On SPVP the sigils are separated from the weapons so it can work, but in PVE/wvw it is not.

No need for sigils just make Physical Training affect them

Fay.2357:

Ok then, facts.

When Warrior spec get announced, you are welcome in Warrior forums to give feedback, i don’t want to derail this thread anymore into War vs Mes thing “not my fault”.

My feedback about “Time Marches On” i think is clear enough.

StickerHappy.8052:

Juba.8406:

StickerHappy.8052:

It has to do with everything, since we only get 2 wep skills as opposed to other classes who get 5, we are being compensated somewhere else. Hence, the trait.

Warrior will get an off-hand weapon too, i still don’t see how that fact could affects traits. assuming you can use these traits with all your weapons not just an off-hand.

Where is envy coming from? Warriors have been in the meta for too long, braindead for too long at the same time, i wish they nerf warriors so hard just to hear you qq more.

Why is that when mesmers get some help you guys rain on their parade? Looks at the power block trait…

You are welcome to give feedback on Warrior spec, but please bring facts, just like what i’m doing now.

ASP.8093:

Juba.8406:

Warrior warrior warrior warrior

Warriors also get a minor trait that makes weapon swapping faster.
In HoT, warriors are getting Unsuspecting Foe as a minor.
Conclusion: Sometimes, minor traits are actually good.

This is one of those times. Move along.

Unsuspecting Foe is trash in Arms trait line, i don’t think any warrior will pick it over Strength.

For Fast Hands it’s a minor since the beginning of the game, it should be a Baseline trait, btw did you see what traits Mesmer is getting as Baseline ?

Warrior got 0 Baseline traits.

StickerHappy.8052:

It has to do with everything, since we only get 2 wep skills as opposed to other classes who get 5, we are being compensated somewhere else. Hence, the trait.

Warrior will get an off-hand weapon too, i still don’t see how that fact could affects traits. assuming you can use these traits with all your weapons not just an off-hand.

Sebrent.3625:

@Juba:
Remember how your trait gives you regeneration any time someone applies one of those conditions to you?

Or how the current numbers have yours reducing the condition duration by 8% more.

Or how Mesmer and Warrior play so very different that this is rather ridiculous.

Yes i do, Dogged March give 3s regeneration on 10s cd once hit by impeding conditions and get those on reduced duration by 33%.

Yeah on paper with that descriptions it sounds better

But Dogged March conflicts with 2 other traits, the same with Warrior’s Sprint and btw Warrior’s Sprint only works with melee weapons, chrono can have +25% speed on all of his weapons.

This still get overshadowed upon the fact that you can get all these effects with 1 minor trait

Yes Mesmer and Warrior play so different, so why give Mesmer a Warrior trait ??!

btw Arena Net when describing Warrior says “Warriors are masters of weaponry who rely on speed, strength, toughness, and heavy armor to survive in battle.”
^
Speed is the 1st thing Warrior get to rely on, i wonder if that description would hold on or might need a change ?

Do you remember we got an offhand? My..the.. crying never stops….

?!
what does that have to do with the trait ?

Not to mention, the other ways Warriors can get full-on Swiftness. You’re seriously going to go jelly-mode? It took more than two freaking YEARS for Mesmers to get a
“Speed-boost” Trait, while being shafted with a non-stacking Focus Swiftness and an RNG-screwed Signet.
Also. We have zero idea what fun/powerful stuff Warrior Specialization will get, now do we?

Warrior took a long time to get the current Warrior’s Sprint + Dogged March.

Agreed on warrior spec, but still this trait is OP.

Chaos Archangel.5071:

Give us some of that great sword/sword mobility and then we’ll talk about fairness.

Well that set is not popular among warriors, its an extreme set made to be able to keep up to kiting professions like Thief/Mesmer but it’s not a hard counter and beatable easily, still Mesmer in-combat mobility is second to thief.
based on that mentality you could give us some Teleports ?

I have nothing against ooc mobility, Sure mesmer needs it.

But you have to consider as i said before, Warrior needs to spec into 2 different trait lines and pick 2 different Major traits (conflicting with 4 other traits) to get a similar effect of “Time Marches On”.

JonPeters.5630:

Was hoping saying it once was enough but I’ll say it again. This is a work in progress. Try to give feedback based on the utility and synergy of the trait instead of the numbers. Slow every 3rd critical hit could also be every 10th critical hit. It could be 8s of slow instead of two. Obviously these numbers are an attempt to be accurate otherwise we wouldn’t even give them but a lot of this stuff will go up and/or down before HoT is released.

Jon

This trait “Time Marches On” is Too OP.

Compared to Warrior he have to spec into 2 trait lines (Defense+Discipline) and pick 2 Major traits to get a similar effect, but Chronomancer spec in 1 line and get it as a Minor trait.

was thinking the same.

maybe if we get Warrior’s Sprint + Fast hands as beseline we can drop discipline, or the new spec has to be really really good.

YuiRS.8129:

Warrior’s Sprint and Mobile Strikes are getting merged. That’s a pretty strong trait.

not even close to Time Marches On.

it should be baseline.

goldenwing.9654:

I don’t think you realize how slow Mesmers are out of combat. Mesmer has been the slowest profession since launch, I think it’s due time they get some movement speed without having to do some gimmick like using bad runes ( Centaur ect ) to get similar speed as other professions.

while yes they are slow ooc, but Mesmer is second to thief in terms of in-combat Mobility.

with this trait it’s an overkill (speed + movement condi reduction) and also the new Signet of inspiration giving passive Swiftness. come on dude!! now mesmer got both, best ooc speed and in-combat mobility.

I wonder of ANET description of Warrior stands after this ? “Warrior rely on Speed”

pick this with almost perma slow, alacrity,interrupts, 100% crit chance, teleports, stealth and you have created a Beast.

Its time to make REAL suggestions.

for all those saying No for Baseline Warrior’s Sprint & Fast Hands or even Cleansing Ire you may now truly reconsider what you have stated.

Rauderi.8706:

Juba.8406:

hmm Dragon Timer ?

Is that anything like an egg timer?

Yeah mesmers will be 1st to arrive at every world boss but thats also means that mesmers stole Glint’s egg

hmm Dragon Timer ?

^^^

ya, i think i’m not going far if i say that “Mesmer” is going to die because every mesmer will be a Chronomancer.

This trait is freaking OP, compared to warrior it’s 2 traits in one:
a better version of Warrior’s Sprint
weaker version of Dogged March

and it’s a minor trait!!

OK MidoriMarch.8067

You are released from Warrior forums, you might get sad for hearing this about chronomancer the mesmer spec :

JonPeters.5630:

Minor

• Time Marches On – You move 25% faster. The duration of incoming movement-impairing conditions is reduced by 25%. (Cripple. Chilled, Immobilize)

^
Basically (a better Warrior’s Sprint + a bit weaker Dogged March) in 1 trait and guess what its a MINOR trait

but look at the bright side,,You can QQ in Mesmers forums now but you know what i might join you there lol

Xaylin.1860:

JonPeters.5630:

• Time Marches On – You move 25% faster. The duration of incoming movement-impairing conditions is reduced by 25%. (Cripple. Chilled, Immobilize)

We will get so much hate for this one!

So… not sure what to do now… 6/6/6/0/0/0 or 6/0/6/0/0/6…

its like (a better version of Warrior Sprint + a bit weaker version of Dogged March) in one trait as Minor!!

its OP for real.

oh my.

The Chronomancer (mesmer specialization) is getting a minor trait called:
Time Marches On – You move 25% faster. The duration of incoming movement-impairing conditions is reduced by 25%. (Cripple. Chilled, Immobilize).

^^^
(Warrior Sprint + weaker version of Dogged March) in one trait, A MINOR TRAIT

Dragon Reaper

Akikaze.1307:

1) Alphabetical order. We know Chronomancer -> Dragonhunter -> Druid?
From this progression, Druid would be a fitting guess.

So we gonna see Warrior next if his Specialization is “Dragonslayer”