Guild Wars 2

Not to be a downer, but it’s still just another Conquest map with a single secondary objective to have people camp.

Still not very deep.

My guess is this is going to be something like the Kael’Thas fight in Tempest Keep. The super powerful weapons that drop in there are limited to that dungeon alone to assist in fighting Kael’Thas.

Simple as that. You find more and more ascended gear while in the dungeon to help you continue going deeper, and deeper into the dungeon. Just a gimmick.

Most likely just speculation from this site, and thus, a poo-storm erupts on the forums.

Levetty.1279:

Knote.2904:

Waar Kijk Je Naar.8713:

Knote.2904:

Waar Kijk Je Naar.8713:

Knote.2904:

kiranslee.4829:

I just did google for “say NO to mmo grind”.
This is first page i found:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/08/28/guild-wars-2-review-part-one-still-grinding-after-all-these-years/

Really for 100th time , please dont make it grind fest, please.

The whole game is a grind fest.

??

No it isn’t. The only grind this game has at the moment is optional cosmetic grind.

Most, if not all people agree with that. A gear-threadmill however, is not OK.

And 2% more stats that isn’t required for ANYTHING, is mandatory how exactly?

Exotic items aren’t mandatory either, right? You’ll do just fine in common-rarity (white) stuff you bought from an armorsmith npc.

What a joke.

LOL what a good example, way to over-exaggerate another point for your own silly argument.

Rare gear is nearly just as good as Exotics, you can do anything in this game in Rare gear with no problems.

And you actually bring up another point, why is there White/Blue/Green gear in this game? It’s a gear treadmill, why aren’t you crying about that???

That isn’t a Treadmill, that is gearing up your character. White/Blue/Green can all easily be got and then Exotics is what you work towards at the end.

A treadmill is when they constantly add better gear that you have to grind to get. We already have to grind up to get Exotics one way or another, why do we have to do it again for Ascended?

No, that IS a treadmill.

Using that argument. If they launched the game with 3 additional tiers past Exotic, that wouldn’t be considered a treadmill until they added a 4th additional tier.

It’s all technically a treadmill.

Kathias.8532:

I’m actually really happy about this, considering that the new armor won’t be too much better (like more than +5% in stats). Even now everyone can do anything in rare armor just as well as in exotic, so please cut the “mandatory” and “treadmill” bs. There will finally be a goal in PVE other than the legendary weapons.

Yeah, this could probably be a gap between current rewards and legendaries, and probably even a bridge to Legendary Armor. The game could REALLY use more cosmetic carrots. Even non-mandatory stat carrots.

Hell look at the Tri-Amulet, you don’t see people complaining about that 100g amulet that gives additional stats do you? It’s literally worse than the slight stats difference with Ascended. That’s what I find so hilarious.

Calae.1738:

Once this game starts looking more and more like World of Warcraft; I promise you I won’t be logging in anymore.

Stat increase, level increase, anything increase is a treadmill. Sure it works, makes a lot of money but, go ask your average gamer how “fun” it is.

Compared to GW1 this game was already really close to a WoW-clone.

Levetty.1279:

Knote.2904:

Waar Kijk Je Naar.8713:

Knote.2904:

kiranslee.4829:

I just did google for “say NO to mmo grind”.
This is first page i found:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/08/28/guild-wars-2-review-part-one-still-grinding-after-all-these-years/

Really for 100th time , please dont make it grind fest, please.

The whole game is a grind fest.

??

No it isn’t. The only grind this game has at the moment is optional cosmetic grind.

Most, if not all people agree with that. A gear-threadmill however, is not OK.

And 2% more stats that isn’t required for ANYTHING, is mandatory how exactly?

Ever play an MMO before? If you want to do a lot of WvWvW or Dungeons that 2% will become mandatory.

Juicebox.3047:

Levetty.1279:

So not only is there going to be stronger gear that makes the stuff we worked for become outdated but you have to do dungeons to get it as well? Well looks like the 15th will be the end of this game for me, just when I thought I had found the MMO for me.

Can’t believe people are happy about this.

I’m at the point where I think the GW2 community is more sensationalist than the WoW community. Please stop pulling your hair out until we have factual information. Complaining and threatening to quit over something you know nothing about is such a toxic attitude, and you’re giving a really bad impression to possible new comers to the game.

Factual information? We have a preview of new content that Anet would have to have given to these guys. If this new armour isn’t an improvement over old armour then the article either wouldn’t have said it is or somebody would have come into this thread by now to explain the mistake.

Its either gear treadmill (possibly only through one aspect of the game) or poor communication to their players and secrecy.

Both are awful stop defending it.

Except that 2% won’t. Hey if you like pugging with random “wannabe-elites” enjoy. They already have there own silly “requirements”.

Hell, both of my 80’s are still in Rare gear. The TINY TINY stat difference wasn’t worth the money sink, atleast not right away. I’m just slowly working on exotics while doing EVERYTHING the game has to offer with no problems.

If you people truly are going to freak out of a tiny gear tier difference, you should’ve been up in arms from Day 1 about the different gear levels, Blue/Green/Yellow/Orange, and would’ve quit if Anet didn’t hand you a free exotics every 4 levels.

If you want free rewards, WoW is that way —→

Maybe this just isn’t the game for you? (Gotta love that stupid line!)

Just for comparison.

Look at the game Champions Online. They eventually introduced gear stat mods that scaled up in ranks, up to 9 or so, and to get past 5-6 was a huge pain/grind/money sink. The stat difference was INSANELY SMALL however wasn’t even close to being required to do anything. It was there for someone people who feel like sinking money/time into it as a goal.

The rest of the game was cosmetic.

Metafrank.9017:

displacedTitan.6897:

Look at all you knee jerk reaction people. Seriously wait till its released to complain or make judgements.

Yeah right, dont stop them from building the bomb, but wait for it to be dropped on some poor country and then complain.
You, sir/madam, are a prime example of what is wrong with the modern generation.

To follow this example.

This is like listening to Fox News about said bomb dropping and it turns out to be a load of exaggerated bull.

You people seriously need to chill out. Even if the gear has 2% more stats that doesn’t make a kitten difference. It’s not required for anything, 2% more stats would never make such a difference in the first place.

I can’t imagine how painful it must be to wear those skin tight hoodies. How do they hide those ears?!

Svarty.8019:

Knote.2904:

I agree 100%

I completely regret making an asura now as it’s a complete waste of time to bother grinding for weapon or armor skins because they look too small.

Considering that’s the only carrot in this game it makes me not want to play at all.

Fixt it for you.

Thank you. I sort of meant, the small scaling makes them look like crap, but that was a bit off. =p

Arvid.3829:

^^ This.

Honestly though, how do you get from “5 pages of changes” to “we’re going to nothing again”… WTB some logic?

We’re jaded. You can’t blame us.

The proof is in the pudding (wtf expression?), we’ll just have to see on the 16th.

TBH I actually despise BiP.

To make the most of it, (and to not actually hurt yourself in the process) you have to blow a condition transfer even then that’s only 4 stacks of bleed and only Plague Signet is instant/reliable. I prefer Corrupt Boon by far, just more useful overall IMO.

Should just make it a super self boon utility that requires HP sacrificing. If different specs and playstyles were actually there, there could be some interesting stuff between lifesteals and health sacrificing in the blood tree.

I think it’d be easier to have Death Shroud change based on your weapons.

Jungle Stalker is the new Brown Bear.

Bot-sheik

Algreg.3629:

they didn´t skyrocket, just set back to the level they had before they mistakenly increased the drop rate a lot for a few days. They have been around 4 silver most of the time pre-mistake.

This is on top of the ban wave.

Almost passing 6s now.

Would atleast be nice if I could swap a dye from character’s i’m about to delete or something.

As someone who played mesmer and thief by far the most since beta.

They both needs nerfs. Survival/Dmg ratio is just completely fubar’d.

I agree 100% with you.

There are some bits of lower level maps that actually have a slightly tough Champion mob that isn’t required to be killed as it’s not guarding a skillpoint or a vista or anything.

As long as these things don’t impede with people trying to solo-complete zones I don’t see why anyone would object.

There’s a couple I’ve seen already such as the named Pirate in Gendarren or the Centaur Sage guy that are pretty much impossible to solo. However there’s really no reason to kill them, there’s no loot or anything that makes it worth it, on top of that they’re boring fights, just super hard auto attacking mobs.

If the “whole game is endgame” then they really need to make it so. Have some hidden areas with an arena with some legit bosses with actual mechanics and give them some unique cosmetic rewards or something.

It’s so boring leveling this game once you get past the exploration fluff, because it’s just so easy and ends up being a heart/POI/vista/waypoint grind.

Avatar.1923:

i drop the case.

why people play&complain&play is beyond me.

Because maybe they like the game and want it to be even better?

Just because you can settle or can be easily satisfied doesn’t mean everyone can.

This is a much better form of “gear progression” than what legendaries are atm. So this is a good idea.

Generally it has to do the texture of the armor piece. Some are more reflective that others and it has the tendency to change the color completely.

So this has been creeping me out for a while now, the culling that happens in Lions Arch tends to “squash” my character’s model basically removing his neck and squishing his booty a little.

It’s really disturbing when your running around and your asura turns into this neckless midget.

First 2 pics are a standing comparison.

The rest are while running, with the last 2 my char being his normal neck-full self.

Beware the asura munchkins.

Just found something curious with the Witches Hat from the halloween event.

My Asura’s ears don’t clip through it, it was actually made to move with my ears. So it’s possible they could edit armor to be more “fitting” without any issues.

Weapons shrink WAAAY too much on asura. My staff is nearly half the size when it’s sheathed. It looks completely awful.

I understand they did to prevent ground clipping, but there is NO reason they can’t have the weapon sticking up a little further over my asura’s head like everyone other class.

It feels like a complete waste of time to bother grinding for skins for my asura cause it goes completely to waste, it’s really depressing me. =/

PLEASE fix this Anet.

As you can see below, my staff is nearly cut in half when sheathed, there’s no reason it can’t have a little room to grow above my head. And on top of that, ear clippage. =[

Ele is incredibly unforgiving.

Well I’m sure if someone is completely dehydrated out in the desert, they’re not going to “complain” if someone gives them a tub of water.

Same here, just glad we’re getting something.

Necro here.

I’m just gonna be over here, in my corner, all alone….

No, no, I’m fine… ~sniffle~

Ezrael.6859:

Lol WoW arena pvp, 3 people fighting for 10-15 minutes solid, 2 do damage, one heals. Healer makes a mistake and they all die in seconds. No chance for any kind of comeback, so exciting…

About as good as your command of written English.

Hey now. I’ve had some really good memories of some intense fights back then. I absolutely loved how it was just continuous on the fly strategy changing.

Assuming burst get’s lowered, bunkers get nerfed, and the overall fight lengths are increased with constant strategy needed to win fights, a 3v3 arena here sounds like a ton of fun.

Was this a serious post lol? =p

Pretty much every description is like “You can’t fight mesmers so run”

Sound advice.

I’m assuming he’s talking about the cheaper stuff from karma vendors. Like 300-800 karma ones.

Would be neat, and kinda make sense.

I liked, for instance, how Assassins in Age of Conan were purely cloth wearers which makes sense, lighter easier to sneak/evade.

Conversely it would make sense for a Necro to maybe don some Heavy or Medium armor since they tend to take punishment.

I really would like these to be account bound for sure.

LOL I’m assuming you were doing CoE story?

God that was seriously a nightmare, never touching that steaming pile ever again.

What I mean by this, is your classic larger boss with legit boss mechanics and attacks.

The best example I can think of is the Sovereign Eye of Zhaitan from the Personal Story mission and Ettin mobs.

There’s simply too many boring tank and spank bosses and mobs that also have instant high dmg auto attack’s which is the by far the worst decision IMO.

While neither of these 2 examples above were difficult to fight whatsoever (although there isn’t many difficult fights in the game period, but that’s a slightly different topic) they are definately the most fun and intuitive to fight by far.

The bullet spray move the Sovereign Eye has that forces you to bullet-dance in order to get close to fight him was really, really fun, and he had a couple other very flashy moves. It truly felt like a classic raid-boss style of fight. GIANT arena, one big boss that teleports around with flashy attacks and gimmicks, then it’s up to you and your skill to defeat him.

Onto Ettins, they are definately the best mobs in this game as far as the Action RPG style of the game goes. They have no instant pimpslap auto attacks, just clearly telegraphed slow attacks that are even completely positional based (His frontal cone knockdown). I cry whenever I run past a certain mob that INSTANTLY whips around and just smacks me for a hard hitting auto attack like a classic MMO mob.

And again, while Ettins may be easy mobs, that isn’t what I’m asking for (to make things easier), I would LOVE to have harder mobs, harder boss fights, but not harder because they constantly auto attack you for massive amounts of dmg.

For the love of god yes please.

BrunoBRS.5178:

Jabronee.9465:

Target of target and player cast bars are low priority <— seriously??
For an action based mmorpg?
Omg Anet what have you been smokin?

i don’t even know what these mean, but i’ll guess:

target of target means seeing in the UI who your target is aiming. for a game that you rarely if ever have to target someone (i do just fine with target assist), it really is pointless.

player cast bars, i assume is being able to see your enemy’s cast time and what they’re using. once again, pointless in a game that hardly has cast bars, and most last 3 seconds at most, and where each skill is visually unique.

i see those being very useful in non-action MMOs, but in action MMOs, the visual hints are more than enough.

For ANY action game it is incredibly important to have extremely clear visual feedback so you actually can react to stuff. Atm this game fails at that quite a bit, too many mobs have auto attacks that go off instantly, some have charged attacks that aren’t very clear or distinct at all, alot also get completely inundated with particle effects making it impossible to see their animations at all.

If EVERY mob attacks like an Ettin it would be better overall, but even then, particles blind everyone. Having cast bars wouldn’t be a big deal at all, whether they add cast bars or make everything much easier to see, it doesn’t matter, but one of those needs to.

And gw1 had very short cast times (1/4 to 1 second) and had cast bars, one of the best features of GW1 IMO. Very fluid/clear ability visual feedback and would even let you read the description of the abilities used so you could learn faster.

Highest base hp (Necro/War) is a little over 18k. Not 23k.

I agree 100%

I completely regret making an asura now as it’s a complete waste of time to bother grinding for weapon or armor skins because they look like crap.

Considering that’s the only carrot in this game it makes me not want to play at all.

Yeah I kinda gave up atleast a month ago and have just been PvE’ing it up. Hardcore.

The game lacks the most important thing, competitive solo queue.

Not just bugs, our traits and weapon skills are just boring and underwhelming. We don’t have much build variety.

Or worse, when you’re in a jumping puzzle and ranged mobs are constantly attacking you, completely preventing you from making a jump, and if u attack back they go invulnerable. Super.

Like I said, at the very least stop the speed reduction from altering your jump distance.

barti.7685:

Am I the only one who is worried about 5 pages of changes in the first big or 2nd patch in a new so revolutionary mmorpg ?

Only worried that we won’t be getting many changes in said 5 pages of changes.

Yeah I don’t see why there would be a problem with it. It’s not automatic or anything, it’s like keybinding your loot function to a new button except this button is… your voice.

Could probably try contacting support or something.

Ditton.3149:

Sooo..by this logic I should get glory for farming Orr right?

Badges are exclusive to WvW yet they get PvE loot off players.

Point?

It wouldn’t matter at all if people got a measely bit of extra money or loot from Spvp, as long as the loot gained has to do with the PvE level of the character used so people can instantly start farming on a fresh lvl 80 out of no where.

That’s pretty interesting. And hilarious when you think about it.

Go around tagging in a event, then running around saying “Loot loot loot loot loot loot” constantly. Lmao

Yeah it makes TOTAL sense!

Let me just throw this fireball at this guy and….. GAAH, MY LEG!

Seriously, I don’t understand why they couldn’t have just balanced the game around a single base movement speed. This feature really does drive me absolutely crazy, especially during Jumping Puzzles and whenever you get STUCK in combat.

At the VERY least they should make it so running slower doesn’t impede how far you can jump. It drives me INSANE when I miss jumps because all of a sudden I get into combat for whatever reason. Or if you get stuck in combat and suddenly it’s impossible to make certain jumps (had this happen in Mad King dungeon alot).

Yeah I really wish each zone had different reasons for people to go there like unique rewards and such, would be really nice if the game had people spill across each zone again.

No there is no point.

Kill.6973:

Knote.2904:

If we don’t get anything this patch I swear…..

I’m probably going to give up on this char lol. Wasted too much time/effort on it.

More like give up on this game.

For me necro is the only class that entertains me and if you don’t like your profession then of course you don’t like the game because everything you will do in the game requires you to use the 1-10 skills/weapon swap.

What am i expecting? Make our fundamental skill aka Death shroud useful again, maybe?
On second thought, i suggest to just revamp this profession from scratch and start there, but thats just me.

Yeah I pretty much feel the same way.

My only other char is my War that I just got to 80, the only thing I really like about them is their ranged options. But overall the dmg and functionality is just amazing in comparison and it just depresses me.

Necro is 150% my class and playstyle and I just want it so bad to be where it should be. Even if EVERY bug is fixed it doesn’t change the fact that their traits and weapon skills are boring/uninteresting.

All this class does is make me miss my warlock from WoW, Vanguard Necro, Allods Summoner, GW1 Necro etc.

I just wish we could get a passionate Necro dev/rep that knows whats up and will get things done. =/

I would recommend staying away from necro, atleast don’t invest too much into it, until the new patch comes out. That will be the make it or break it time and show whether or not this class has a future.

If we don’t get anything this patch I swear…..

I’m probably going to give up on this char lol. Wasted too much time/effort on it.

The main problem is difficult or lack of complex fights/content. The shallowness of the combat system could be made up for with the action part of the game if fights were more difficult.

Although I really hope they make the skills/builds more complex and add more variety. Traits should definately be a little more game changing IMO. Completely changing how skills work and stuff.