I was talking about the whole mental corruption. That’s one of the things that differ – how they corrupt. Jormag corrupts via mental persuasion, which is what the Entity was doing to Scarlet over time – the difference is just that Jormag promises power and strength, while the entity showed visions of “death, destruction, and destiny” (aka we don’t know what exactly the entity showed).
The torment, fear, etc. That was all Scarlet resisting it. Then when she looked back at the entity, it showed her visions. And the only description we have of it is those three words: death, destruction, and destiny.
I don’t see sylvari “falling prey to” fear and prima instinct. Sure they’re children, but they’re also extremely fast developers mentally speaking.
My personal theory on this unanswered question
I think Scarlet was strengthening the Elder Dragons for unknown reasons and began with Mordremoth because it was asleep still. And she would have the answer to solve the crises she made, thus Tyria will “need” her. And to be clear – I don’t think Scarlet’s trying to be a good guy here, but trying to force the world to accept her as being as great as she thinks she is. This is hinted to by Canach’s dialogue – in Edge of the Mists he says:
Canach: Yes, Scarlet and I share a certain…fixation on self-determination, but we are not natural allies.
Canach: I seek to define my role in this world. She seeks to tear this world down and use the rubble as her throne.
Furthermore, in Aftermath he now says:
Canach: Speaking from experience, no one goes to these lengths without thinking they are doing some good. It raises a troubling question.
Player: Which is?
Canach: What good did she think she was doing?
By allowing the Elder Dragons to run rampant, the world would be greatly damaged. From there, she can “ride in to save the day” and then rebuild the world to her liking – “improving it” as she would see it. This is what I think her ultimate goal was when putting all the pieces together rather than just the obvious ones. But there’s more:
I think the entity put her up to strengthening the Elder Dragons, but is not of the Elder Dragons or their champions itself, but instead intend to use the Elder Dragons for their own purpose.
Another piece of evidence for this comes from the Flame and Frost epilogue:
Veteran Flame Legion Prisoner: “You could never understand because you and your people are destined to die in our fires. Your time is coming. You should prepare yourselves.”
Player: What are you talking about?
Veteran Flame Legion Prisoner: “Nothing. Nevermind. Go fight your dragons. If you don’t, they’ll annihilate you.”
Player: They’ll annihilate you too.
Veteran Flame Legion Prisoner: “I doubt it. We’ll be here long after the dragons have swallowed you and yours.”
This is left unanswered. Why would the Flame Legion who’s allied with Scarlet think that they’d be saved from the Elder Dragons unless Scarlet had some means of convincing them that she could protect them from the Dragons?
Scarlet would likely have gained this from the “entity”. So, who would the entity be that it would know how to escape the Elder Dragons’ wrath?
I think it’s one of two possibilities. First possibility is Lazarus, the second is the Inquest.
Lazarus for two reasons: 1) The mursaat had fled the world to let the Elder Dragons ravage it before, wiping out an entire race (almost) as they did so (the Seers), and when they returned they returned portraying themselves as the Unseen Ones – as gods. They returned intending to rule, it seems. It would not be unlikely for this to happen again. 2) The Aftermath instance in The Dead End formally introduces Belinda Delaqua, whom hints at the Season 2’s direction (IMO): west, dealing with black market dealers who base themselves in Brisban Wildlands. Sounds familiar? Fort Vandal is run by bandits, and bandits are run by the White Mantle. And who runs the White Mantle? Mursaat. Thus I suspect Season 2 will be returning to GW1 lore in the form of Lazarus, and may be tied into Season 1 via being the entity.
The alternative, the Inquest, has a bit more reasoning to it.
Firstly, Omadd got Scarlet (aka Ceara) into the colleges for the asura to study her, and even kept working with her after she was a member of the Inquest and a known criminal of Rata Sum (breaking into the archives and being exiled from Rata Sum and all that jazz). It may be possible that he was Inquest and that he lied about the purpose of the machine.
More strongly though, the Inquest have stated to intend to follow the mursaat’s old footsteps in the Arah explorable mursaat path:
Operative Brie: We’ve only just begun. With this knowledge, we can become like the mursaat themselves!
Operative Brie: We will leave this world to the Dragons, and then return and rule once they sleep again.
They were foiled then, but perhaps not fully? Furthermore, they’re known to be studying the Elder Dragons (Infinite Coil Reactor and Crucible of Eternity), and are known to have let the kitten hit the fan just to study the effects (Thaumanova Reactor – as explained in A Study in Scarlet instance). Directing a bunch of magic to the Elder Dragons just to learn what happens when such occurs would not be beyond the scope of their antics. And it would explain why they continued to assist Scarlet after they tossed her out.
Others’ thoughts?
Mordremoth was not the only Elder Dragon Scarlet intended to alter
This point comes solely from the Aftermath instance, you can find all dialogue here.
Main parts are:
Kasmeer: Is that what you think it was? A dragon? Oh, it would make so much sense to think that Scarlet was messing with the dragons.
Player: I believe that was her plan all along. Her drill caused one of them to stir.
Kasmeer: Yes, we heard it too. Which one do you think it was? Primordus? Kralkatorrik? Jormag? Do you think one is sleeping beneath Lion’s Arch?
Player: No. I think Scarlet disturbed the ley lines, knowing they feed the dragons.
Kasmeer: I don’t understand.
Player: The dragons consume magic. The ley lines are currents in an ocean of magic.
Kasmeer: And Scarlet threw a giant rock in that pool, sending ripples out to the dragon. It makes sense. You’re brilliant.
Taimi: I told you so. I told you all. I knew Scarlet had grand plans, but did you listen? No. And now, there’s at least one dragon, maybe more, who want to destroy all of Tyria.
Taimi: Well, you’ve got it right. Scarlet wanted to touch the dragons, and she succeeded. Quite impressive when you think about it.
In the instance, Taimi and the PC are the only ones who know what Scarlet’s actions did. The rest were clueless until they were informed. And both Taimi and the PC mention dragon*s* – plural.
Taking this in mind, take a step back to Battle for Lion’s Arch – the Scarlet’s End instance. If you go to the control panels instead of leaving, you can find 2 maps, one of which is over the Energy Probe Map which states said maps are for Scarlet’s Energy Probes – the ones looking for ley lines. The maps, seen here and here, have three interesting factors to them:
And Jormag’s in the north… and there’s ley line probes in the north. And ley lines are believed by the PC based on recent findings and original Personal Story findings to feed dragons… Which brings us to topic three:
Scarlet’s Ultimate Goal Wasn’t Lion’s Arch
Rather, I think Scarlet was intending to repeat her action of disrupting the ley lines again later, but she was prepared for the possibility that the greatest city of Tyria would be capable of stopping her. After all, the heroes of Tyria have managed to foil her armies individually as well as her Marionette which seems to have been – according to Rox’s observations – intended to cull the herd of would-be heroes.
Taking a step back and adding to the above: In her lair, we also see this map which marks the three Orders. But we never see anything done to the Orders HQs. Why? Did she change her mind? Were the X’s just marking her guesses to where the ley line intersection would be? Or perhaps they were her next target. Or maybe a case of “biggest threats.”
We never found out Scarlet’s fascination with Caithe
Not just the secret, but the Spinal Blades blueprint had a quote from Scarlet to Caithe:
The line is: “Caithe, someday you’ll see, Tyria needs me. -Scarlet”
Why add this? If they were going to drop Scarlet’s story, then there’d be no need to further the mystery and this is all it does. There are enough plotholes and loose ends to keep people wondering, so it’s not ArenaNet’s love of seeing fans speculate alone that this is added as.
At least, I now strongly believe this is the case. And I think her story is not yet finished either. There are a lot of still unanswered questions, and a lot of things continuously stated as fact though… it isn’t. Anyways, I’ll break this down into four topics: The Entity, The Dragon(s) Involvement, Scarlet’s Probes, and Caithe’s Secret. In said order.
The Entity’s Identity is Still Unknown
A lot – almost everyone – have been outright believing that the Entity has been Mordremoth. Or Mordremoth’s champions. People seem hellbent on making the sylvari-Mordremoth connection that they took the waking of Mordremoth to mean that he, or his champion, was what was talking to Scarlet’s mind.
But we have no evidence for this. Yes, Scarlet woke Mordy up, but nothing really indicates that Mordy or its champions was what talked to Scarlet. We know, quite literally, nothing about the entity except that:
None of this points to the sole case of “Elder Dragon” or “dragon champion”. In fact, I would argue that A Study in Scarlet reduces the chances of this. Here’s why:
Scarlet Briar: Ever since I came out of Omadd’s machine, you’ve been taking credit for my ideas. They are mine! Not yours.
Right, so, what are “her ideas” that the entity was taking credit for? Every single thing Scarlet did required modern technology. How could something that is still sleeping and has been sleeping for 10,000 years know about modern things? It would be like someone who’s been in a coma since 1980 knowing how to work a smartphone and knowing about 911 upon waking. It just doesn’t happen.
On the flip side, they really are her ideas and the entity is actually trying to take credit for it – as a mind game. But that doesn’t fit Elder Dragon corruption effects of any other Elder Dragon. And while each dragon may corrupt differently, it doesn’t match the shared persona of taking things and destroying what cannot be taken (as opposed to taking credit for things not theirs). The Elder Dragons are too large, too high above the wee little ants called “Tyrians” to bother taking credit for their “ideas”.
So either the entity is an individual who was awake to know modern events – such as dredge sonic technology, or the inquest which known to be fairly modern (within 200 years), and other such things. Or we got the first Elder Dragon who apparently breaks the mold of all other Elder Dragons.
@OP: what happens when Dreamer sylvari die? Answer: we don’t know.
Their knowledge is continuously going back to the tree, it isn’t just an instant “on death only” case. In fact, unless the death is a powerful experience then it won’t go back to the Dream – such as Riannoc’s death not going to the Dream of Dreams, leaving the Pale Tree unknowing of how Riannoc died.
Very true, but the “entity” seems to be affecting Scarlet in the way that Jormag corrupts. Which would mean if the entity is Mordremoth or a champion of Mordremoth, you have two dragons corrupting the same…
But that doesn’t happen naturally.
Why would the completely failed Marionette grab the Pact’s attention if the Tower of Nightmares, which was far more destructive, did not?
Not sure I follow you on the Marionette. How did it fail? What was it supposed to accomplish that it didn’t?
I just meant that it was destroyed.
I find it interesting she mentions Scarlet was still fighting to keep her mind. This implies that whatever was happening to Scarlet was not dragon corruption, as in almost every case, once corrupted you don’t fight against it.
Has anyone checked Biegarth or the inquest Arcane Councillor who had dialogues on Scarlet before?
You have no proof that anything further was planned. Dots on a map are not evidence.
All known production facilities were either destroyed or abandoned. The evidence presented in Edge of the Mists only stated that Lion’s Arch was her target. In order to promote this fantasy of multiple attacks, you not only have to make up new evidence you have to ignore existing evidence.
Proof? No. Never called it proof. What it is , evidence to support such.
And why would they add two NEW maps to the Breachmaker instead if using the ones from the lair if it meant nothing. It is obviously intentional. There is even an interactive panel to it called Energy Probe Map Can you really say that it means nothing? No, you cannot. Not reasonably.
As to Edge of the Mists – yes, as Scarlet’s next target. Not necessarily the final target. Even in the Origins of Madness we saw x’s over places other than LA, indicating she had more plans than just Lion’s Arch.
Why would the completely failed Marionette grab the Pact’s attention if the Tower of Nightmares, which was far more destructive, did not?
And what makes your character’s view infallible? However, I’d like to point you out to the two maps of new probes. One centralizes on the Far Shiverpeaks.
She may have been intending to repeat her actions at Lion’s Arch further north, affecting Jormag. Either way, it’s obvious that Lion’s Arch wasn’t the end of her plans.
But why is Taimi wrong when you don’t know her sources? She is in full agreement to the PC st that, whom never states she was after a single Dragon.
Canach’s line doesn’t hint to Scarlet aiming for good, but Scarlet thinking she was.
But the same can be said for various risen – particularly those in the Sea of Sorrows novel, such as the risen norn (Bronn, iirc) who promises eternal unlife to his brother, and the Sovereign Eye of Zhaitan who calls us the defilers and poisoners for trying to reverse Zhaitan’s corruption.
On the flip side, Canach thought he was doing good by letting loose crazed karka on the Southsun settlers in order to destroy the Consortium contracts.
All it means is that Canach thinks Scarlet thought she was doing good – which falls back to the Spinal Blade blueprint quote of “You’ll see someday, Caithe, Tyria needs me”. Maybe she thought she was unleashing a master for Tyria that would steer them in the right direction – her direction.
Kellach had free will up until we stomped him also. Corruption doesn’t necessarily remove your free will.
@konig – What hints at multiple dragons? I thought it said she was trying to wake up a dragon and there is only one that is sleeping still according to all historical records.
Finally, we need to take the information that we have about Scarlet and take it to the Pale Tree with some questions. I think a lot of folks died because the Pale Tree tried to protect Scarlet. I believe the Pale Tree knows more than she is letting on.
son first paragraph: maybe the reason Zhaitan doesn’t normall corrupt living beings is due to not being able to fully remove their free will. Or maybe Kellach was made a champion and dragon champions have a form of self-decision to their actions, even capable of putting their master’s corruption at risk such as when the Sovereign Eye allowed Trahearne and the PC to walk past several very powerful minions and access their objective.
Second paragraph: if you talk to Braham after Big Beli shows up, the dialogue will switch midway to Taimi, who says:
Scarlet wanted to touch the dragons, and she succeeded.
Dragons. Plural.
Yes, it is said Scarlet used her drill to wake a dragon. But Taimi, who recognized the dragon threat and is more or less an expert on Scarlet (not to mention of the dues ex machina race) mention plurals.
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The thing is that they don’t have a lot of resources. All resources they have come directly from the major races and three orders. For the sole purpose of fighting dragons.
Would you like it if you gave someone $1,000,000 to go build a house for homeless, but after putting down the foundation they began building a grocery store? I wouldn’t think so.
I think this is just a plot hole and that we will never find out the true origin of the human race. If no corrupted humans were there people would be asking questions too. And it just happens to be so that the main antagonist, Zhaitan, was under an ancient human civilization. So that explains why we see more corrupted humans.
Missed my point. My point is that “expertise on a specific group” doesn’t seem to be the situation here. Reason: humans.
Ultimately Scarlet stepped into the device and was corrupted by Mordremoth because of something within her mind that she took in with her. Implying a base connection between Mordremoth and the Sylvari.
You’ll forgive me I hope if I cannot be bothered to sit here debating the correct semantics for usage of the word link.
You and Darc keep saying Scarlet was corrupted by Mordremoth… But we still don’t have solid evidence for such.
But even then, one individual being corrupted due to external situations doesn’t make aninnate relation between the individual’s group and the dragon.
And you never once brought up Scarlet before.
Maybe the voices she heard aren’t Dragons whispers. We dont know this yet. She tried resist it, it was a slow process, and i think she had a bunch of free will even at the stomp when we killed her.
End of the day, her plan to wake Mordremoth couldn’t have worked without knowledge of Mordremoth’s location. Information that could only have been relayed to her by Mordremoth.
Inquest know of Mordremoth. They have been studying both the Elder Dragons and Scarlet.
Elder races may have known where Mordremoth was, and hints in aftermath imply we’re gonna deal with bandits aka White Mantle who are based west of Brisband next. Maybe they knew.
There is always more than one possibility.
1) Ghosts of Ascalon’s first three chapters state that the fur covered the transforming norn’s armor.
2) Appearances alter based on the individual asura’s preferences and the golem’s purpose. You may see shared themes amongst the shared colleges though. But in-game, it’s all the same three or so models.
3) Orr did first, between 205 BE and 0 AE. Elona did second, as a colony in 300 AE. The situation isn’t clear. Both happened, but why Kryta was “established” by Elona is unknown. Maybe the first Kryta failed. Unlikely though given royal heritage. Maybe it was conquered – odd it may be. Maybe it was sold to Elona like the Louisiana Purchase.
4) The world. So everyone and everything. He then gave unique forms of magic to specific groups – who is unknown.
5) There are no “parallel” planes. Those you listed are afterlives – and the Realm of Torment that was Abaddon’s is now Grenth’s. There are the Underworld (connected to Realm of Torment and Mad Realm), Balthazar’s Fissure of Woe aka Realm of War, Eternal Paradise, a.d Realm of Travail for humanity known. Dwarves had the Great Forge. Tengu have the Sky Above the Sky. And off the top of my head that’s it. These are all within the Mists and possibly within the Rift (which is the center of the Mists). The Hall of Heroes is in the center of the Mists and may be what the norn callc the Hall of Spirits.
Then there are all the islands of realities within the Mists such as the sPvP maps, WvW maps, and Fractals.
But for “parallel realities” there really is none. There is the possibikty of futures viewable but those are just the same reality on a different timescale. Then there are other worlds but none are Tyria. And only one of them is known: the magicless/lacking world of humanity’s origins.
Maybe so. But that doesn’t mean the sylvari are tied to Mordremoth just because they are plants. To say that is like saying the water in a mug at the DR taverns is tied to the deep sea dragon.
Mordremoth may have a better understanding of plants – but sylvari are unique even for plants, and both Zhaitan and Kralkatorrik are shown capable of corrupting plants – Kralkatorrik with relative ease (as much ease as flesh and soil). So even if Mordremoth has an easier time corrupting plants, that doesn’t mean the sylvari are tied to it.
And if we follow the logic of “new things are harder to corrupt over things they are used to” then why do they all have a seemingly perfectly easy time corrupting humans – there is no way the dragons knew of humanity until they woke.
To Konig and Alice: we’re not saying that the entire Pact army should have mobilized against Scarlet. It’s understood that they still have Risen to combat and can’t just pack up and roll out. Nor do I consider them my personal army to point at my foes. That’s not the issue here.
The issue is a complete lack of concern or interest until the dragon’s cry. Yes, their job is to fight dragons. But that’s the stated goal of all three Orders as well, and they had zero problem defending the city. And the Pact is just all three Orders working together…you mean that none of the Orders called Fort Trinity for backup? That Trahearne saw all three of the Pact’s component forces join in the fight and he couldn’t be bothered to send a single airship?
A few things.
1) The Pact is more than some of each of the three orders. You have members of wolfborn, High Legions, Seraph, and random adventurers joined in too.
2) The Orders have many goals. Killing the Elder Dragons is just one of the bigger ones. And for this, they give their dragon-hunting troops to the Pact.
3) The Orders are huge and likely wouldn’t pull their troops from fighting dragon’s even without the Pact.
Can we also assume that WPs are controlled by the Captain’s Council? Ellen Kiel promised us reduce prices and I don’t see other way of doing that. Don’t believe she owns them…
They are controlled and owned by the Arcane Council – the asura government.
Kiel negotiated with them lore wise to reduce the costs.
And last I heard, ArenaNet was still holding to the fiction that the Living Story and Personal Story were simultaneous, regardless of how increasingly ridiculous that’s becoming. Hopefully, with Lion’s Arch trashed, they’ve realised that’s a conceit they really can’t hold on to.
No, they officially abandoned that as of this year.
Y’know, the aftermath dialogue kind of hints that Scarlet was not corrupted.
In the instance, it’s talked about Scarlet redirecting the ley lines to multiple dragons. Not just one.
So it may be that she was out to empower multiple dragons – perhaps for the same reason she let Thaumanova blow up. She wanted to watch what happened, and learn from it.
But that ignores the fact that Scarlet was led to do what she did under the influence of someone/something. It’s clear in the breachmaker that her aim was to bring forth Tyria’s new master. It’s possible that she redirected the ley lines to all the dragons, but I would say that her focus was on one.
My take on that part of the instance was that the breachmaker disturbed the ley lines and a consequence of that was that it sent magic surges to the elder dragons.
What if the entity isn’t a Dragon or Dragon champion, but someone intending to utilize the dragon’s for their own gains… Like Kudu and the Inquest are doing. Or the mursaat somewhat did.
Y’know, the aftermath dialogue kind of hints that Scarlet was not corrupted.
In the instance, it’s talked about Scarlet redirecting the ley lines to multiple dragons. Not just one.
So it may be that she was out to empower multiple dragons – perhaps for the same reason she let Thaumanova blow up. She wanted to watch what happened, and learn from it.
But that ignores the fact that Scarlet was led to do what she did under the influence of someone/something. It’s clear in the breachmaker that her aim was to bring forth Tyria’s new master. It’s possible that she redirected the ley lines to all the dragons, but I would say that her focus was on one.
My take on that part of the instance was that the breachmaker disturbed the ley lines and a consequence of that was that it sent magic surges to the elder dragons.
What if the entity isn’t a Dragon or Dragon champion, but someone intending to utilize the dragon’s for their own gains… Like Kudu and the Inquest are doing. Or the mursaat somewhat did.
Why would Mordremoth need Omadd to go into the chamber? If the chamber is the reason, then Mordy needs to talk to someone about making a whole bunch of these chambers.
My theory is that Mordy was waiting for someone like Scarlet. It’s not unreasonable to assume that if one pale tree can produce Scarlet, then all of them can. If there is a link between Mordy and the sylvari, it’s not unreasonable to assume that Mordy would just wait for the first Scarlet type to show up and use it to wake him up. Scarlet just happened to be first, because her tree was planted first. Mordy simply caught a lucky break when she went into the chamber and be freed from the protection of the dream.
I mentioned Omadd going into the machine because that was when Scarlet began contact with Mordremoth. We technically know nothing still around why – or, in fact, even if – Mordremoth began talking to Scarlet since entering the machine. We know that was when Scarlet began interacting with the entity… But we still don’t know who that entity is. And the aftermath instance hints that her goal was multiple dragon’s.
My main point was that Mordremoth may not have been after Scarlet specifically.
The answer to that may lie in the fact that Scarlet brought something into the isolation chamber. Either she had an inherent link or susceptibility to the dragon (or pro-dragon entity) or whatever she brought into the chamber allowed for her to become influenced. I think that is the key difference between Omadd and Scarlet entering the machine.
But did she bring in Mordremoth? A champion of Mordremoth? Something else that wanted to empower Mordremoth/multiple Elder Dragons?
Or perhaps she didn’t bring it in. Remember that Omadd was the one pushing for Scarlet to be let into the college’s under grounds of them studying her… And Omadd continued working with Scarlet even after she worked with Inquest and became a criminal in Rata Sum… What if he sabotagued the device? Just to see the reaction? Or what if whatever it tied Scarlet to was where the entity lied in wait thus anyone who entered the machine would become influenced by it.
We still know far too little.
If Mordremoth has the power of plants, then it makes sense that Sylvari are in someway inexplicably linked to his power simply by their very nature as a plant. They are plants, he has dominion over plants.
Omadd is not a plant… Mordremoth is not an asura based dragon. God knows what that would look like.
That is like saying all Necromancer minions are tied to Zhaitan. That Palawa Joko is tied to Zhaitan. That oakhearts and druids are tied to Mordremoth. That Embers and other fire elementals are tied to Primordus. That Ice Elementals are tied to Jormag.
But they aren’t. Especially necromancer minions.
I’m curious if you have examples of ice related creatures that are not under control of Jormag? It is not a silly assumption that a master of something would be able to more easily corrupt things of the same nature as its specialty.
If you understand the inner workings of plants and have done for millenia then you’re gonna have a shorter route to controlling them should you wish to.
What you said is that sylvari are tied to Mordremoth because Mordremoth us plant based. Not that he would have an easier time corrupting plants over non-plants.
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Y’know, the aftermath dialogue kind of hints that Scarlet was not corrupted.
In the instance, it’s talked about Scarlet redirecting the ley lines to multiple dragons. Not just one.
So it may be that she was out to empower multiple dragons – perhaps for the same reason she let Thaumanova blow up. She wanted to watch what happened, and learn from it.
The Pact is not an independent organization. Hell, you can’t really call it an organization. It’s an alliance of multiple organizations.
And the individual organizations did fight Scarlet.
Think of the Pact like this: You have 9 major groups (three Orders, LA, five major races), and in these 9 major groups, you have a portion of each major group dedicated to fighting a massive threat to all major groups (the Elder Dragons). Those individual portions make up the Pact.
The Pact is just a vanguard unit against the Elder Dragons. If you include the full of all 9 major groups, then the Pact is very small in comparison – and the non-Pact parts of the major groups deal with non-dragon threats.
To say the Pact should go deal with non-dragon local threats such as Scarlet is to say the Fallen Angels (a unit of the Seraph sent to Ebonhawke) should be fighting the centaurs because if DR falls to centaurs it’s all pointless. Fighting centaurs isn’t their job, it isn’t their duty. They’re there to protect Ebonhawke.
Omadd never went into the isolation chamber, y’know.
And even then, did Mordremoth chose Scarlet? Was it an active choice of being Scarlet or was it a “anyone will do” case? Or was it pure coincidence?
Trahearne doesn’t own an Aetherblade airship. Is it an Aetherblade ship? Or a Pact ship?
If it’s an Aetherblade one, it’s likely Kiel’s.
Dragon champions are not always dragon shaped.
Eye of Zhaitan. Mouth of Zhaitan. Morgus Lethe. Captain Whiting. These are some non-dragon-shaped dragon champions of Zhaitan.
Dragonspawn. Svanir. Drakkar. These are known non-dragon-shaped dragon champions of Jormag.
Destroyer of Life for Primordus.
So could Scarlet be a dragon champion/lieutenant? Yes, she could be. But she would also be early/weakened corruption if so, simply due to sylvari “immunity” that she would have lost (via Omadd’s machine) if she is corrupted. She holds too much free will, IMO, to be a standard dragon corruption case.
I would compare Scarlet Briar’s possible case of corruption to Kellach’s case more than to a dragon champion though.
It shares the same model as the Nightmare Mosshearts during the event chain in Ogham Wilds (Caledon Forest), as well as the Veteran Rotting Oakheart in Thaumanova’s event. But Shiren mentioned the rotting oakheart so.. :P
Normally, asura gates cannot be shut off remotely. Which is why Shudd was surprised that Evon was able to. In the books – particularly Ghosts of Ascalon – as well as the gatekeeper NPC dialogues show that they are very much manual configurations and have to be tuned on both ends before they work properly.
Also, the party limit was never a lore state as far as I’m aware – for either game. It’s purely mechanics, like levels and folks having oh so many skills at a single time.
Yes, we have seen plant life corrupted. Not oakhearts but I presume that is for the same reason we don’t see icebrood jotun or grawl, or branded harpies or grawl. Just limiting the numbers of models the artists had to make.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Corrupted_Tree (corrupted by risen)
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Noxious_Branded_Plant (corruoted by Kralkatorrik; no article for it but they are in Lowland Burns, Blazeridge Steppes).
Also throughout the Dragonbrand you will find trees, grass, and flowers that got corrupted – the trees look much like the landscape while the other plants look more glasslike. In Ghosts of Ascalon, the grass is even said to have turned to glass and crunches beneath a person’s foot easily.
Not sure of any specific mention of plants corrupted by Jormag/icebrood though, but the specific examples of anti-corruption the sylvari have are for risen and branded, and we see plants corrupted by/into such.
I believe – lorewise – the situation is fourfold:
1) Not everyone has access to the waypoints.
2) Waypoints cost money even in lore. Not everyone would have the money.
3) Waypoints don’t seem capable of moving entire caravans, just individuals and what’s on said individuals. Perhaps if dolyaks were sentient enough to use waypoints, maybe then it’d work, but I doubt it’d work for carts and wagons.
4) Waypoints may be new (at least, by all appearances it seems based off of Snaff’s little instant teleporter used near the end of Edge of Destiny).
As to “city defenses” – again, not everyone can use them it seems (as such, I doubt that dredge and krait would be allowed access ever – Flame Legion, Aetherblades, and Nightmare Court could probably disguise themselves but still…), and it seems they must be maintained (hence the contested status – this is most prevalent in Orr).
But yeah, waypoints is one of the “wtf this doesn’t make sense” things added into GW2.
But then again, what about resurrection shrines in GW1? That was presented as lore in that game – though it seems retconed out now like resurrection in general – so if such things existed, why never have them in towns and why would death ever be an issue?
Highly unlikely. GW1 never allowed mods, best folks could do was texmod, and from what I recall hearing GW2 and texmod aren’t very compatible due to texture issues or some such.
Even then, the best mods you’d get is texture improvements and UI changes given the whole open world basis.
I think if Anet wanted Zojja to have hair, they simply wouldn’t have given her the headgear – like the case is for the other iconics, who’s headgear for T3 would cover their hair and/or face. Or they would have designed her armor to not clip with hair – remember that Divinity’s Reach all wear T3 cultural armor… but it was their armor made T3 cultural not the other way around. Especially so in Zojja, Eir, and Logan’s case.
Furthermore, in her concept art Zojja is bald. And as pointed out, when the headgear-not-showing glitch was happening, Zojja was still bald (and I never batted an eyelash at it in chose cases).
So yes, I think Zojja is bald in canon lore.
in Battle for Lion’s Arch - Aftermath
Posted by: Konig Des Todes.2086
I don’t see any cracks.
Just a blue light showing the path of magic within a ley line so that players can see and tell from the surface appearance of Kryta→Thaumanova→Arid→Jungle where said ley line is going.
I don’t think we’ll be having an intro-to-Eye of the North repeated (Eye of the North began with a bunch of earthquakes and Anet went the second mile to add camera shakes to the towns near the access points to EotN (which were made by said earthquakes)).
He’s not the Master of Whispers. We meet her as an operative of the Order of Whispers.
in Battle for Lion’s Arch - Aftermath
Posted by: Konig Des Todes.2086
Yet throughout the living story anet didn’t tap into this facet of her character at all.
I honestly don’t even think this facet of her character even existed until the end.
I think the LW writing team had nothing for her personality. I mean, look at the short stories, then remember her words during Jubilee, Twilight Arbor, during Tower of Nightmares, and yes even the recordings in Origins of Madness/Edge of the Mists. Notice something?
In the short stories, she’s presented as this cold, calculating, evil genius that understands everything but doesn’t care about anything. In Jubilee and Twilight Assault, she’s a crazed “makes a joke and fun out of everything” and never messes up. In Tower of Nightmares, she’s presented as far more darker (via the hallucinations) and then back to her “makes a joke out of everything” attitude when we get to her. In Origins and Edge of the Mists – and yes, in Battle for Lion’s Arch too – she has suddenly become a tragic hero.
On top of this, in interviews a few things from the What Scarlet Saw short story got redacted, and it was the parts that was most hated by the playerbase (her going through all three colleges and her seeing Eternal Alchemy – got downgraded to going through special classes in all three colleges to show she can do full coursework but never doing said full coursework; and her going into a sensory deprivation tank and only thinking she saw the Eternal Alchemy). In Edge of the Mists, the latter got altered again.
Scarlet’s story really feels like it was hashed together. It feels as if the end product wasn’t even a glimmer in the writer’s mind when she was revealed. And even then, the earlier stuff feels like each writer had a different idea of what Scarlet was supposed to be – people bring up the possibility of schizophrenia between Ceara and Scarlet Briar, but I think this is just people trying to reason how messed up her character mentality is in the writing, that again it seems like the writers couldn’t decide which way to take Scarlet.
Scarlet in What Scarlet Saw? Completely different from Scarlet in Clockwork Chaos. Which is completely different from Scarlet in Tower of Nightmares, and in turn is completely different from Scarlet in the last four updates. The only consistency I see is between Clockwork Chaos and Twilight Assault – and the cinematic of Scarlet’s monologue during The Nightmare Incarnate which felt like an attempt to merge the Tower of Nightmares’ writing with the Twilight Assault writing – and in turn, an attempt to “fix” the players’ view on Scarlet.
And I would bet that if there wasn’t such negativity on Scarlet that she would have been kept around as long as possible.
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You could have also posted in the old thread. However, the question was long answered in the old thread.
“It is not small, it’s perspective that makes it look small, however, yes, it is small compared to the original design, which would make us like germs in its gums.”
This is a fan-made compilation of curses, idioms, proverbs, etc. made for roleplayers by roleplayers.
I heard the Marionette’s tiny too.
(I was going to go say “our solar system is small, just look at the galaxy! And even that’s tiny, I mean, look at the universe!” but Narcemus’ comment ruined the joy out of that).
I could have sworn seeing an interview or some other information from Anet on this. They took on the form of the human Ronan and the other human graves that were surrounding the area in which the Pale Tree was planted.
If I’m remembering what you’re referring to, it was that “scholars believe” that was the case – this was in turn a nod to player theories. But it wasn’t a confirmed fact.
Earthquakes are a common act in the game, related to various events. In Bloodtide, for example, there is an event chain within the Flooded Castavall about an earthquake unearthing a powerful risen (and artifacts though we never see them), and said earthquake does shake nearby areas.
I’m pretty sure I a Southsun quake before too, near the hive. One at the Maw during the event too, I think (shaking caused by the “blizzard”). So I don’t think any of these are new.
This said though, I would be disappointed if there weren’t a massive world map changing event. Even if we don’t see it in explorable areas, we should see some changes to the world map, IMO.
Now when this aesthetic comes to the sylvari they seem to have put no thought in this. They are sprouted from the pale tree there for shouldn’t have any form of gender. Male and female seems an irrelevant term in their society since people choose their beloved from someone born during the same time as they are born. So if they are plants and don’t have sex to make more of them why do they have breasts and clear humanistic sexual body types.
I think I see where your issue lies.
The fact of the matter is that sylvari do have biological genders and that they can have sex – a male sylvari does, indeed, have a kitten (well, what counts one for a sylvari), and a female sylvari has a kitten (again, what counts as one for a sylvari). (EDIT: Okay, silly censor, but you can figure out what I meant I’m sure.) They can have sex, but they cannot reproduce (think of sylvari as being on permanent birth control).
Why i bring up this point is that this feels like a wasted opportunity. We perhaps could have had a walking plant race that could have been much more unique. Maybe a shambling pile of vines in human form or A walking Venus flytrap with humanoid appendages for better movement. It would have been made all the more interesting if they harbored the same enthusiastic behavior of the current sylvari with a less human face added.
Y’see, to me, what you want would feel kind of too inhuman – too uncanny, rather. I would be put off by playing a walking human-shaped Venus Flytrap. That feels more like some sort of wildlife monster to kill to me, perhaps because that’s what such a thing would be in every kind of story/game/movie/book out there.
I’d assume myself that the Pale Tree would give them any opportunity to mingle with society of the world (if she’s able to control certain things). If so, while unable to allow them the reproductive ability of other races, wouldn’t want to deny them other fundamental experiences and pleasures despite being plants.
I recall reading that the Pale Tree does, indeed, have control over the appearance of the sylvari – at least in so far as looking very human-like.
Like I said, Kinna says that for every personal story step dealing with Lion’s Arch. Her involvement with any of them – sans one of the Order of Whispers ones – is new, added with Escape from Lion’s Arch.
And everyone’s personal story happens in 1325 AE. See this post by Bobby Stein.
Because members of Destiny’s Edge are so entwined with your Personal Story as well as the over-arching story with Zhaitan, and because the Living World plot lines are taking place at the same time all those other story threads, we couldn’t have the members of Destiny’s Edge splitting themselves between these other areas and what was going on with Living World. This is partly why we introduced these new characters.
I hope you folks are seriously not considering the LS is happening at the same time as the Personal Story, and this is just a slip up on the post. I also would hope that everyone on the team can get this stuff straight so that this confusion doesn’t happen.
What Regina means is that for players who are currently going through their Personal Story, the LW timeline will seem to be happening at the same time. Technically, they happen at different times in Tyrian history. Personal Story predates the current Living World season by approximately one year.
So when you’re playing your Personal Story and are in an instance with Rytlock, etc. the assumption is that this is happening “in the past” whereas LW events are happening now.
Our hope is to provide better distinction of these timelines within the game, but that would come with the release of a planned feature that we’re not ready to discuss in depth just yet.
The security system is still in place, a year later, as we see with Escape/Battle for Lion’s Arch, but it’s not up because of the events of the living world.
The personal story technically takes place in 1325 AE. In the Living World, we’re in 1327 AE. Sadly, however, the personal story utilizes the current maps, rather than having their own.
Captain Smash/Bouncer Kinna’s dialogues is generically the same for any personal story step taking place in Lion’s Arch – it’s the path that Anet chose to allow entering the personal story during Escape from Lion’s Arch and Battle for Lion’s Arch.
Meave’s house being on lockdown isn’t related to the Scarlet attack, but the risen scout found within near the end of the story step – as the story step remains unchanged since release (except for it using the modern map as mentioned).
That line doesn’t really discredit the different-maturity-rate concept. Exceptional human lifespans would be roughly 110 from that line, so you can probably expect most to live until 90-100 if dying of old age. But consider this:
Even then, that doesn’t prevent having children at later ages than for reality, due to magical healing and how even compared to GW1, magic is more potent in Tyria.
@Mint: You forget that Tyrians don’t share lifespans as the “average American.” Adelbern was in his 70s by the time of the Foefire, but in Ghosts of Ascalon he is described as middle-aged.
However, I’m going to sit in the boat of “shortened rather than accurate” – though I don’t know why they didn’t do “ancestor”.
But on the other hand, we see a similar case in Iron Marches, a Priory scholar Aimee Testibrie looking into her “great-great-grandfather,” Kilnn Testibrie. Kilnn was dead even by the time of GW1, and he’s given an additional great than Gwen to Logan.
Slap on a numerous other cases of odditities in this regard and you get “maybe Tyrians age slower than us Earthlings”. (The curious case of Dan Marriner, being one other example).
@Aaron: Well, they fixed the Statue of Grenth in DR’s inscription nearly a year after release (it was fixed sometime in late spring/early summer of 2013). It was originally quoting Malchor, not it quotes Desmina.
@Ladybug: I don’t think that this is meant to be the epitaph on the gravestone. Reason I say this is what we see in-game:
A simple memorial marks the final resting place of Ascalonian hero and Ebon Vanguard commander, Gwen Thackeray—loving wife of Lieutenant Keiran Thackeray and great-grandmother to Captain Logan Thackeray.
This is a description of the object, not what’s carved onto it. Compare to other gravestones:
Captain Ander Greywind
1038 – 1112 AE
The greatest teacher and leader
Ever to have graced this land
See the formatting difference? Gwen’s Grave is perhaps the only gravestone that doesn’t follow this format of Name (new line) Dates of Living (new line) Inscription.
Before the Marionette, Maw the Mountain Heart’s corpse was in the rough placement of his constant spawn point in Dredgehaunt. Was the PoI titled Maw’s Rise.
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