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That’s still ongoing? Thought it ended with the LW ending. Anyways, I wouldn’t recommend barbequing those tails…

That Tequatl tail is stinkier than Braham after a battle.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Rox/dialogue#During_A_Very_Merry_Wintersday

Rytlock Brimstone: Soldier! Report! Where’s my Tequatl tail?
Rox: Back where I’m bunking, sir! I’ll go get it immediately.
Rytlock Brimstone: Wait. You took down Tequatl.
Rox: As reported, sir. I sent you a missive requesting an audience.
Rytlock Brimstone: Hm. Been busy. But I’m here now.
Rox: Should I go get the tail and bring it to you, Tribune?
Rytlock Brimstone: No. I don’t need a slab of decaying meat.
Rox: But I…I’ve been hauling it around for weeks.
Rytlock Brimstone: Ooh. I bet that smell sticks to your gear.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/The_Origins_of_Madness:_A_Moment%27s_Peace

Decaying meat can’t be healthy. Or tasty.

I think the Prime Hologram requires too much of a split and rebalancing to count for Fractals. It’d take a bit of work to rebalance them for 5 players. Same goes for the Tower of Nightmares zone, since it was made for a mob (and is too long for a fractal anyways, with no end boss).

I could see the Canach’s Lair, Scarlet’s Playhouse, Nightmare Chamber, and The Nightmare Incarnate (perhaps more) acting as fractals (first and last being boss fractals).

In fact, I hope the Hybrid returns as a Boss Fractal.

Thought of this a moment ago, looked to see if others did it, surprised I didn’t find it, so I made it!

All those looking for Peter the Lost in this update will get it. All those he disappeared on just before they got to him would get it more.

The word “immune” comes from a different source:

Tegwen: Because sylvari are immune to the curse of undeath, we’ve been given this dangerous mission. If we fail, we won’t rise again.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Marching_Orders

And your example isn’t a good one. Because no protection with being exposed to fire is still damage; but with dragon corruption there’s two outcomes: becoming corrupted, or not. In the latter, this is where the sylvari fall, it’s just that they die as a side-effect to their immunity (inability to become corrupted).

We never kill the beast – it retreats. So no, chronologically speaking it’d still be alive.

Well, it’s not entirely clear whether it simply retreats or if it is killed and a new one takes its place like the Shatterer. In the latter scenario though, the whole “it gets stronger with every defeat” wouldn’t work unless it’s getting stronger not because it’s learning like the NPCs claim, but because whatever’s making them stronger is being divided less than less (thus each individual is gaining more and more of whatever “it” would be – think of the movie The One ).

@Vexander: Never heard such a thing. Thus far, only two sylvari trees are known – the Pale Tree and Malyck’s tree.

@Darc: By order of logic, if sylvari were dragon minions then the “terrible plant creatures” which protected the seeds would likely be such too. And you keep calling them guardians… but they could have been wardens (as in prison wardens) or the like, but I digress. I never claimed the plant creatures were sylvari. But they most likely are the precursors (predecessors may be a better term given the weapon usage? :P) to them.

“Where did it come from” doesn’t really matter with the Thaumanova in regards to the Inquest capturing them. After all, it’s where it went that matters as that’s how the Inquest would have gotten it – not where it came from.

arlowix.5039:

“Proximity means nothing” for the aforementioned examples. Can you actually disprove this theory at the moment? There’s more pointing towards my theory, since
it is heavily implied that there is either Mordremoth’s influence (or one of his champion’s) in Wychmire Swamp.

I do not deny that Wychmire Swamp may be tied to Mordremoth’s influence. In fact, I was (one of?) the first people to make such a claim on the forums! However, proximity holds no barring on the Elder Dragon’s influence. Being right on top while hibernating has shown to hold no signs of corruption at all – see Primordus and Kralkatorrik in Eye of the North – until their champions become active and wake them up. But as shown in my previous post, champion location is irrelevant to the Elder Dragons’ location.

arlowix.5039:

About your last point, your hatred towards any kind of new thread (and trust me, I visit the Lore section DAILY. No one outright stated what I said) made you irrational. Mordremoth not plant-based? Come on. We really don’t need any confirmation on that.

I don’t hate new threads. I hate how people create duplicate threads on the same topic. Also: no one stated what you said? Sure, maybe not in the exact words, but…

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/lore/lore/SPOILERS-Malyck-Scarlet-and-Mordremoth/first#content
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/lore/lore/Sylvari-s-Corruption-Theory-spoilers/first#content
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/lore/lore/Mordremoth-s-Messy-First-Meal/first#content
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/lore/lore/Theorycrafting-On-sylvari-corruption/first#post3727289

All either begin, or fall into, the “theory” of sylvari-Malyck-Mordremoth relations. All you have is a different take on the same subject to the OP of those threads.

Narcemus.1348:

ArenaNet’s ultimate troll against Konig:

Make Sylvari Dragon Minions

Watch ensuing “I told you so!” ’s

The day they break their own recent lore is the day I view the GWverse as dead, and will delete all characters (not even bothering selling, just downright delete) and uninstall both games forever. They’re done so many retcons to their older lore under the guise of “false human legends” – to say nothing of the blatant retcons of other things like the calendar, or the facepalm design decisions like syncing the timeframes and having bi-weekly updates that clearly stresses their own developers to the point of being hospitalized (HINT ARENANET HINT!) – that it’s borderline ragequit worthy for someone like myself who loves proper and good storytelling above interesting mechanics (I can play the mechanically worst game ever so long as it has a good story to it; similarly, I could not play the mechanically best game ever if it had a bad story to it – though if it had no or next to no story like DOOM and Quake then I could deal). If they went and blatantly retconned their new lore as well, then they might as well not bother with a kittening story at all and just go Gintama on us.

DarcShriek.5829:

So here’s my question. With the dragon that we assume to be Mordy sleeping beneath 10,000 years of debris, how did the inquest manage to corrupt their test subject? I can only think of three possible sources. The first is the cave guardians, which I consider the least likely. The other possibility is the first born that the asuras experimented on. The final possibility is Scarlet herself. Frankly, I’m at a loss on how they obtain the Mordremoth corruption.

The first requires sylvari to be dragon minions. Of which there is 0 support for.

The second requires the sylvari to be dragon minions. Of which there is 0 support for.

The third possibility requires for Scarlet to allow them to experiment on her after her Omadd experiment, and for her to have actually been corrupted.

Here’s three more far more likely possibilities for you:

1. They took something tied to Mordremoth from Thaumanova
2. They used the husks that they got via bartering with the Nightmare Court
3. They got samples from Wychmire Swamp.

The first requires that Rotting Oakheart to be tied to Mordremoth – given that the other sectors are tied to the same elements as five Elder Dragons (you have a Branded Crystal-looking crystal in a cave; you have a aqua section, a vegetation section, a fire section, and an ice section) and how one section has Icebrood (multiple icebrood), it’s possible. The second requires the Nightmare to be tied to Mordremoth, and the third requires the Blighted to be Mordremoth minions. But those are far more likely and have actual in-game implications of being so unlike the 0 support theory of sylvari being dragon minions.

arlowix.5039:

Konig, I didn’t come with this theory off my hat. I was criticized by you already in my old thread, yet I have to see anything that disproves my theory.

Depending on which thread you refer to, either you refuse to accept that the fact that sylvari are immune to corruption yet dragon minions aren’t is proof against the “theory” – on top of other things – like many do, or I was too exhausted of constantly debunking the “theory” to bother with it.

Malyck, dragon minion mentality, and CoE is really all the proof that’s needed to say “given all evidence we have and know, this is an impossible act and there is no support for it.”

But here’s another:
https://web.archive.org/web/20110815225850/http://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/races/sylvari/

“While the other races may be corrupted by the Elder Dragons, turned into undead minions or crystalline creatures of the Brand, the sylvari are never turned. Those born of the Pale Tree simply die before the corruption takes hold.”

arlowix.5039:

Shall I mention the fact that Ceara is clearly corrupted by Mordremoth, while in my very first thread we had a discussion in which you were ultimately going to say that it’s impossible to say that Sylvari can actually be corrupted? It would look like you weren’t quite right, by the last patch.

Really? Ceara aka Scarlet is clearly corrupted?

I have not seen any proof. And yes, I did all the content. Nothing proves that she is corrupted; ergo, it is not “clearly” so.

It is very possible that the voice in her head was Mordremoth or – more likely – a champion of him. But that doesn’t beget corruption. After all, Zojja and Snaff in Edge of Destiny was under the same kind of influence by the Dragonspawn but managed to break free.

Besides “it’s canon lore that they cannot be corrupted”: – though there may be an unknown fact we, as the word unknown shows, do not know that means their immunity can be removed. This is likely what happened to Scarlet – if she truly is corruption (something I won’t argue against other than the notion of it being “clearly” so) – but also serves as yet another point of evidence (or rather, argument) against the claim that sylvari are dragon minions – for if there’s something preventing corruption, then they are not corrupt in the first place.

arlowix.5039:

However I did not point my attention towards that, but towards the general Nightmare Court-ish belief that the “Nightmare is the true nature of the Sylvari”.

You’re misunderstanding them and how the Court was formed.

• Cadeyrn formed the Nightmare Court in spoiled rebellion against the Pale Tree. His final words to it were literally: "I will never be one among many, Caithe. Not even to the Pale Tree. I will make you hear me, Mother, like it or not. When I am finished and you are free at last, then I will be first in your heart!” Source
• The Nightmare Court’s original stance is that the Ventari Tablet alters the nation of the sylvari. Since then, however, it was altered and kittened up by the Nightmare. However, what they still preach is this: "The centaur, Ventari. The human, Ronan. Neither were sylvari! Why do we lend their words such credence? Ventari’s tablet shackles us. In its shadow, we’re slaves to an imposed morality, rooted in foreign ground and trapped forever. I say no, and so should you! Look within yourself. The Dream is many things. It is light and dark, love and anger, good and evil. So are we. " Source

The Nightmare Court don’t say “the Nightmare is the true nature of the sylvari” but rather “the Ventari Tablet has messed with the sylvari’s true nature” and even then, Malyck proves such a notion wrong as he’s uninfluenced by the Ventari Tablet but is nothing like the Nightmare Court. It should be noted that even in their actions of rebelling, they are not true sylvari the fact that they’re openly rejecting rather than simply ignoring (which is what the sylvari’s “true nature” would be) the Ventari Tablet.

In short: the Nightmare Court are skewed in their view and are obviously open hypocrites. To use them as a basis of what sylvari should be is outright foolhardy.

That would go against what ArenaNet wants – they explicitly stated that they want to avoid splitting the community and creating open world PvP. Only expect stuff like that for joke events like the beta finales.

Yet another thread on the very same thing as about a dozen other threads on the front page of this forum. Must everyone have their own thread for proclaiming the same thing?

Besides, how do you get that the two are related simply due to proximity? How is that at all relevant?

Glint was in the Crystal Desert. Kralkatorrik was hibernating in the Blood Legion Homelands. Proximity didn’t matter there.

Jormag was hibernating off the map to the north, but his champion Svanir was made while at Drakkar Lake (which we could go to in GW1 and can in fact still see where it would roughly be on the GW2 map).

Proximity means jack kitten.

Furthermore, that’s not why the Nightmare Court wanted Malyck. They wanted Malcyk because he was proof that they didn’t need to corrupt the Pale Tree in order to have the sylvari race fall to Nightmare – knowledge of him meant that they could burn the Pale Tree and start “anew” with Malcyk’s tree. His existence was basically telling the Nightmare Court (specifically the Knight of Embers since she alone knew of him, and only vaguely via her Dark Hunt) that they didn’t need to go through the troubles they’re going through to reach their goals. Nothing about facades – the Nightmare Court actually don’t preach the Dream is a facade, but rather that the ventari tablet is.

As to Mordremoth and Malyck’s tree being the same thing… No. There’s just too many points against the whole “sylvari are dragon minions” that it’s annoying to constantly repeat it all. And Mordremoth is a dragon, the image of his jaw shows flesh and scales. He isn’t a tree.

Hell, Mordremoth might not even be plant-based for all we know! Maybe his only influence has thus far been on plants, doesn’t mean plants is his corruptive element! He’s titled jungle dragon because of his location – just as Kralkatorrik was the desert dragon, and Zhaitan the Orrian dragon. Just like the nickname “Deep Sea Dragon”.

That was one of the more common theories present during Tequatl Rising. Another common theory was that Zhaitan’s power was simply seeping to all his minions (thus explaining the Orrian Risen’s size increase update and the Temple metas’ increased difficulty in lore-terms too).

We simply don’t know and have no real indication to argue one way or another though.

Jelle.4623:

Hehe, woudn’t that be something,

‘Sorry guys Trading Post and Gem Store are down due to the assault on Lion’s Arch. Check back with us in a few weeks. Get 1 gems for every head you take of Scarlet’s champions.’

Fixed for you.

That would actually be a nice thing ArenaNet could do. Though it’d cost them money so it won’t happen.

As to the OP and what Evon will do, my hope is this for in-general:

• We get events like o-Tron and the minstrel’s during Wintersday, donating money to buy supplies for rebuilding LA, and then defending caravans to the Vigil Keep gates (caravans of gold, heading to the various cities – Black Citadel for metals, DR for wood (Queen’s Forest and all), Hoelbrak for workers and craftsmen (gotta look good!), the Grove for gardeners (LA needs to be self-sufficient), and Rata Sum for fixing waypoints and the asura gates), and then from the gates to LA (with the supplies/money).
  • We get to chose where each caravan of gold goes in the same style as choosing dungeon paths or the charr arena hearts (a pop-up in the area which takes players’ votes and goes with the majority).
  • Anet will take how many events of these occurred, succeeded, and failed and advance LA’s reconstruction based on this.
• Being made Quartermaster, Evon gets an unexpected chance to set his foot further into LA’s market door. With all the other businesses out of business (just talk to the refugees), he’s going try to expand the Black Lion to cover all of LA’s goods, and use this to get onto the Captain’s Council (just as Shud runs the gates, and Hao Luen runs the banks, he’ll run the markets).
  • Of course, the Consortium will try the same as they barely suffered, not being situated in Lion’s Arch. So we’ll have a Black Lion v. Consortium econimic battle going on. This battle will have a result-based-on-players, thus the outcome can be either a Consortium member on the Captain’s Council and the gemstore becoming Consortium Trading Post with new themes to it, or Evon gets on the council and gemstore remains unchanged.
• At the same time, there will be a revolt by the citizens who lost loved ones because of the council’s in-actions, demanding Hao Luen, Tokk, Anne Reid, and Farth Scarclaw to step down as they did nothing even when the miasma subsided (Peter, Kiel, Shud, and Magnus were evacuating citizens so they’ll be treated like heroes along with Marjory, Kasmeer, Braham, Rox, and us). In the end, only Tokk gets taken down (why Tokk? Because in Edge of Destiny he shows to hold more care about Rata Sum than Lion’s Arch) – alternatively Anne Reid (because she’s done vip as far as we know, and during the invasion she claims that she’ll go skin Scarlet… but never leaves the camp – at least Farth has the excuse of being too old to fight now).
  • Then Evon or <Consortium Puppet Name Here> gets put onto the council in replacement.

After that? Leave LA. Go focus on the Sinister Triad as the next filler villain group, which will lead to the third dragon to kill – Mordremoth (Back in January, it was mentioned two big projects in the background hidden to us players will be revealed post-Scarlet, I am hoping one is an expansion to go after Jormag; yes, I am still convinced that Jormag will be the second dragon; Mordremoth just woke, he won’t be a challenge to fight and thus the Pact will have the semi-idiot ball and ignore him because he’s not a threat yet – same goes to Kralkatorrik; thus order will likely be: Jormag → Mordremoth empowered by a year feeding off of ley line supermagic → Primordus having consumed the last of the great asura cities and thus is superpowered → Kralkatorrik who invaded the Mists and thus is consuming protomatter and is thus superpowered → the deep sea dragon who has consumed all the krait obelisks and has somehow corrupted an Oratuss subliminally and convinced all krait that the DSD is their One True Prophet and thus will be superpowered with a powerful army of fanatics-turned-fanatic-er.).

My expectations?

• LA will simply be rebuilt over time like the Lion’s Court and Lion’s Gate were after Halloween ‘12 and Lost Shores respectively. Players don’t dictate anything.
• Captain’s Council will remain unchanged and full of idiots.
• Evon will become the next villain between dragons, instead of the more interesting foes like the mursaat-backed Sinister Triad. He will be killed and the MIA Sareb will suddenly appear with no expectations and take over the Black Lion TP in his stead.

Depends on the total amount of magic in the world. After all, with five dragons awake over the course of 200 years, it’s only just now noticed that there’s some effect to the amount of magic in the world.

Which means that the total amount of magic is so high that even 1 dragon awake for 200 years, 1 awake for 150 years, 1 for 100 years, 1 for 50 years, and 1 for 5 years is only touching the surface of how much magic there is in the world. With magic that high, it wouldn’t be surprising one would radiate enough magic to power the first asura gate network for a long time and give that same amount of magic off while awake – it just means that they consume even more magic while awake than they do while asleep.

Though it’s possible that the asura were forcibly taking magic from Primordus while it slept too. Similar to the gods taking magic from Zhaitan to empower the Bloodstones.

Considering it takes 10,000+ years for magic to leave their body and raise high enough in the world for them to stir, I don’t think the “sweating” process is very high to really bother them even unchanged while awake.

Bad example Narc though you hold the right argument.

Shiren.9532:

If you think of Elder Dragons and a hurricane of magic and ley lines are like water catchments – they collect the magic and channel it through Tyria, wouldn’t it make sense for ley lines to be leading too and from the dragons? Magic is suppose to adsorbed and release by dragons, shouldn’t that mean the ley lines would naturally form too and from the dragons?

Does water, food, or air flow into our mouths naturally? No. We have to actively take it in.

Elder Dragons may “regulate” magic, but they’re doing so by eating and kittenting it – comparatively speaking. They consume magic, not just absorb it. And then they “sweat” it out over time. The Zephyrites short story journal compared dragons to sponges – place a sponge in water and it will absorb the water, and over time it will leak out. Similarly, place a dragon near magic and it will consume it, and slowly leak it out.

So there’s no reason to believe that magic across the world would become redirected. Otherwise there’d be no need for Jormag to push south (as he himself was present as the norn fled south, when he woke up to the north of them), or for Zhaitan to have the Mouths consume magical artifacts. They would just have to sit and wait.

Scarlet’s Veil is just a helmet. I heard that her shoulders and gauntlets have item codes too.

I don’t think Scarlet was interested in long-term miasma use (given her own alliances’ health and all), but that it was to be used to force everyone out of the city and kill any first resistance.

Not another Kiel versus Evon story arc please. Because when the one we get isn’t up to people’s expectations there will be people going “well are you people happy now!? If we went with the other, it would have been awesome!” plus lots of flaming, just like with the Fall of Abaddon fractal.

The Dream isn’t created by the Pale Tree. It is something that predates her.

And dragon minions can be corrupted twice. See Crucible of Eternity (mainly Kudu, Kudu’s Monster, and Subject Alpha).

But the general idea that ignores the “sylvari are dragon minions from the beginning” more-or-less-debunked speculation is that the Dream is what prevents the corruption – but not as a form of pre-existing corruption. My theory is that the Dream is tied to the Mists, and the Mists holds the “antidote” to draconic corruption – Forgotten and Mursaat magic was also tied to the Mists, and they had forms of immunity too.

CorneliusCoffin.3169:

I have a problem with this whole “Scarlet wants to intrrupt the leylines to wake up Modremoth”-theory.
It’s that in the Thaumanova Reactor Fractal she says:

At least they helped identify the network of magical channels that crisscross the globe. That was a breakthrough. Now we know how NOT to do this kind of research right on an intersection of those channels.

This is something I never really understood. Scarlett basically knew that there was an intersection of ley lines beneath thaumanova reactor. If she wanted to simply disrupt them, why not just drill there? Especially since they seem to be fairly close to Modremoth’s estimated location. From the schemematic on the wall inside of the breachmaker it seems, however, that her intention was to find the “center” of the ley lines. (which could either be where they all meet or where they all originate.) I’m not an expert on dragon magic but wouldn’t that mean that all of the elder dragons get affected by her drilling there?

She was looking for a big intersection of ley lines, so she could redirect a lot of magic. Thaumanova wasn’t apparently big enough.

And ley lines don’t originate from anywhere. It’d be like saying wind currents start at on place. It’s a continuous line across the globe – or rather, a continuous series of lines across the globe.

And thus far, Mordremoth is the only Elder Dragon known to consume magic directly from the ley lines – they may all do so while hibernating though, and Primordus may do so due to his depth, but this is all conjecture.

CorneliusCoffin.3169:

Which is exactly my point.
There were six elder dragons. Wit Zhaitan being dead, we now have five of them left. , Kralkatorik is somewhere between Elona and the Crysal Desert. Jormag is in the Far Shiverpeaks, Primordus is still somewhere underground and we don’t exactly know where and “Bubbles” is said to be somewhere in the unending ocean. If there are intersecting leylines somewhere in the Maguma Jungle region, they’re most certainly leading to Mordremoth. If Scarlet just wanted to disrupt the ley lines leading to Mordremoth, she could have done it right there.
However, for whatever reason, she had to disrupt the ley lines right where they converge. No matter if she intends to simply disrupt or recalibrate the flow of magic from there, it’s got to have an impact on all the remaining elder dragons, not just one.

Ley lines don’t lead to the Elder Dragons.

They’re just channels of least resistence for magic to flow across the entire globe. Some may pass by an Elder Dragon, like the case was for Mordremoth, but they don’t flow to the Elder Dragons.

DarcShriek.5829:

Erukk.1408:

Wanderer.3248:

I have to wonder, if she was a servant of Mordremoth, why so coy about it? Why not just name him? Zhaitans minions are all Zhaintain this, and Zhaintan that. Why doesn’t she say come out and say she’s bringing about the rule of Mordremoth.

Because Zhaitan’s minions were corrupted, and they were fully brainwashed by the time we see them. The only thing they have on their mind is their Elder Dragon 100% of the time.

As far as we know, Scarlet was only influenced by “the Entity” at the time of her death. The markings on the sides of her face suggest the possibility of corruption, but until we get confirmation on it; we only know she had been under the Entity’s influence.

She didn’t know who was corrupting her. Her journal makes it clear that she didn’t know.

Which is clear proof that she wasn’t corrupted. As corruption includes mental links to the Elder Dragon and minions who shouldn’t know their Elder Dragons’ name (read: the Orrian risen) in their life suddenly know Zhaitan’s name even in short death (same happened with the Branded in Edge of Destiny, I believe).

Corruption = dragon minion = mental link with the Elder Dragon and fanaticism towards that dragon, thus knowing the Elder Dragon’s name. The notion she didn’t know who was influencing her mind acts as evidence against Scarlet being corrupted.

Syryn.7591:

I think we’re missing a key point of Scarlet’s character here and that is her independence. I don’t believe she was under Mordremoth’s control in helping to wake him up, I believe she did it because she wanted to do it and that’s that, not because anything was pulling her to. In her short story it talks about how she recognized something (possibly Mordremoth) as a force that was swaying the Sylvari in one way or another and she wanted to set that force and another(s) against each other. To manipulate them – her manipulation was possibly awakening Mordremoth long before he should’ve been awakened.

“I’ve learned so much,” Scarlet continued. “Now I have to put that knowledge to use. An insurmountable challenge is rising, and my people have been called to meet it. We are compelled by our creator to do so.
“But I reject that call. I reject the notion that that I must choose the Dream or be lost to Nightmare. The forces that push us this way or that can be redirected. They can be set against one another to the detriment of both, and now I know how.”

So no, I don’t think in the end she was anyone’s servant but her own. She died with a smile on her face and an army destroying everything around her. She embraced technology and science, which to put frankly, could be considered the opposite of a Jungle Dragon. But eh what do I know.

Scarlet Briar: Ever since I came out of Omadd’s machine, you’ve been taking credit for my ideas. They are mine! Not yours.
Scarlet Briar: Let me be clear. I’m not doing this for you; I’m doing it for me. Nobody tells me what to do. Not ever.
Scarlet Briar: It’s not true. None of it. I don’t have to listen to you. Get out of my head!
Marjory Delaqua: I wonder if the voices in her head are real? What if what she saw in Omadd’s machine grabbed hold of her?
Marjory Delaqua: Scarlet rejected the Pale Tree because she wanted independence. What if Omadd’s machine cost her that?
Marjory Delaqua: Ironic that she rejected the Pale Tree to exert her independence, only to lose it to something else.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/The_Dead_End:_A_Study_in_Scarlet#Holo-recordings

This bit acts as proof, IMO, that her journal happens after the machine experience. Yes, she sought independence, yes she seems to have gained that from the machine, but over time it seems that the machine – in truth – cost her independence.

There’s Aetherblades and Toxic Alliance out in the open world. Even those Mai Trin recordings in the Edge of the Mists are apparently still being altered. I think they’ll be around later.

The Molten Alliance though… harder to tell. I somehow doubt Anet’s going to close those guys up though.

DarcShriek.5829:

My Sylvari characters can’t make thorns come out of their fingers, and there is no recorded instance of any other sylvari doing so. It’s not what they do. I asked for a specific example and all you folks could do is give other examples. Nice try, but no cigar.

No, but she can make roots come out of her legs and feet, which then sprout into mortar turrets.

Scarlet’s thorn antics were just a take of the same concept not possible because of mechanics.

There’s no second recorded instance of a necromancer summoning a swarm of rats, yet Killeen does this in GoA. There’s no second recorded instance of a necromancer animated a full corpse (not mutilating it into a Bone Fiend/Minion/Blood Fiend), or a full skeleton, but Killeen does this in GoA. There’s no second recorded instance of a norn taking on a red Wolf Form, yet Eir does this multiple times in EoD.

Is Kasmeer some form of powerful unique creature like a dragon minion because she can make five copy illusions that talk? No. It’s just not something available to players in mechanics.

Mechanic limitations != lore limitations

So your argument is kind of moot, because the act of growing vines out of the hand is only unique in that Scarlet did something possible to all sylvari in a unique – her signature if you will – form.

They were a form of energy leaking out?

I thought that it was just her naming different combat styles in her holograms.

“Three colors of Scarlet around”

What?

We got the colors of the colleges in the holograms and assaultknights. But that’s pretty much it for “colors of Scarlet”. Scarlet is just red (well, green if you include her skin :P).

I wouldn’t take her alliances having “colors” to mean anything. I mean, the Toxic ALliance isn’t “green” – sure, the krait and NC glow a greenish-yellow, but their weapons and all the Toxic Spores and stuff are blue and black. Aetherblades have blue lightning only because it’s lightning – their aethercannons are red. And the Molten Alliance are only “red” because of fire. Their color scheming is coincidence – especially since the Molten Berserker is a blueish-white.

Fun fact: all alliances have blue alterations made to them (Berserker, Horrik’s lightning cannon, Toxic Oratuss/Warlock, Aetherized Nightmare Weapons, Toxic Spores/Mines/etc.). There’s a lot of blue in Scarlet’s armies. And her Twisted Watchworks (and Marionette) is all green – much like the chaos magic at Thaumanova.

@Blurk: I think Ela’s little comments of gathering elements is just her spouting player speculation. Because each alliance brought something, but dredge wasn’t earth – it was sound (sonic technology). There was no earth in Scarlet’s alliances unless you include plants (Nightmare Court), and there wasn’t much in water even if krait come from water.

That account is actually rather…

Bland.

After an hour it was fun, then everything became “Imma eat juu!” repeated times ten. Come on, person, be more creative!

@CureForLiving: Shhh, don’t give ArenaNet ideas for crappy 4th wall breaking comedy. >.> The GWverse has never been for that kind of comedy. And should never be.

We have at least two “regular” dev readers – Matthew Medina and Angel McCoy. Dunno if others read, but those two are known to post every full moon (not literally of course…).

While I like such a suggestion, being the one who put together said lists on Guru (and updated said lists on GWO after Gmr Leon had made the initial ones), it is a lot of work – more so for this forum due to its aggravating search functions. The list on GW1/2Gurus was a list of links to threads which were had well developed OPs, or later discussions being well developed, rather than being a list of “popular” theories.

Either case would be nice to have since everyone and their grandmother’s brother seems to need a thread on the sylvari-Mordremoth relation interpretation, but I doubt it’d change things given how many shared-topic threads there are on the very front page of this forum.

Would require someone to put in a lot of time out of their days to create such a list, let alone keep it up to date, and a dev to sticky it.

1. How complex are the programs used for making Guild Wars 2 compared to Guild Wars 1?

2. Same as above, but compared to other game companies?

3. How many specially-made programs does ArenaNet use, and what are they used for?

4. In regards to the pacing of making the content (and any side-effects of said pacing), do you prefer the Living World fast-paced scheduling or the slower-release of expansion content? Why?

5. What are some good programs you would suggest to people who want to make indie games (from design to sound programs)?

6. This is a big one for me: For writers wanting to go into the game industry, what are some suggestions to go about doing so? What kind of things would be good looking on a resume or in a portfolio? How hard is it to do so? Feel free to be as detailed as you want on this! The more details, the more it’ll help me.

7. Do you ever look to the fanbase for potential employees (like going through the fan-made content to find good artists, storytellers, etc.)?

Hamfast.8719:

I submit to you that Peneloopee and Bloomanoo are either mesmer-disguised spies for Scarlet, or they have been severely mis-played by the story writing team in an effort to make people feel sorry for the poor cutesy-wootsey Quaggan people.

It’s the later. Quaggans are the ArenaNet “go-to” race for “Press Now For Cute”.

It’s really sad. There’s really no purpose behind this ‘sub-plot’ and it feels overdone with “oh woe is me” stuff.

ANd you have to wonder: where are all the other quaggan, exactly? Out of a whole village, only four can be found elsewhere – two recent newcomers (the two in OP), and those that weren’t in the water.

Why didn’t the other quaggan join the village – who left even before the karka. Y’know, the one and only group of smart people in the Living Story.

But anyways, onto them being cold, I’ll quote someone else too…

Guardian.5142:

Two words. Frostgorge Sound. :P Yes, there are quaggans there and its cold as kitten.

Those are quaggans from the far north. They actually cannot survive warmer waters, due to how their body adapted.

In the same light, those from the Unending Ocean such as Peneloopee and Bloomanoo cannot withstand colder waters (Timberline Falls is borderline for them).

So it makes sense that they’re a bit cold if they went further north and are on the edge of the Shiverpeaks (which Vigil Keep is). Now, why go there and not the Bloodtide exit or wherever the rest of the village went? Who knows.

chronometria.3708:

I put it down to a lack of blubber.

Cold dwelling sea animals often build up a protective layer of blubber to keep warmth in during the coldest parts of their season. Quaggans are quite chubby and live in cold places, so I presume they too have a blubber layer to keep their warmth in.

Bloomanoo and Peneloope have been forced to live on a meagre diet due to their home in kessex and now lions arch being disrupted. They have also had to do a lot of walking on land, which their bodies do not support well. Thus, they are likely cold as they have lost their natural bodily insulation layer

You’re mixing the arctic quaggan (they’re the black ones) with the equator quaggans (they’re the blue and green ones).

Zuo.5247:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Given that the Elder Dragons know everything their minions know, they have to be pretty darn smart if they’re corrupting billions of individuals over several millenniums.

They know everything their minions know. Somewhat off topic, this kind of reminds me of The Dream. Sylvari know what other Sylvari experience through The Dream. Does each elder dragon have their own version of “a dream” that allows him/her to get that knowledge?

Elder Dragons function via a hive mind.

The Dream, as stated in Ghosts of Ascalon, is not a hive mind.

As I said in another thread, that is the Order of Whisper’s “Threat Assessment Board” – it monitors not the ley lines (a recent discovery), nor magic, but threats.

Q: In the Order of Whispers lair, we can see a huge planetarium. But it doesn’t seem to correspond to Tyrian continents. What are the blue areas on it? Of what use is this item for the Order?

Jeff: The huge orb is the Order Threat Assessment Board, indicating draconic and other supernatural threats on a huge scale. Much of the globe has not been explored by the Order, and as a result that space is used as expanded views for the areas that they are monitoring, and the end result does not look like the “real” world outside to someone just walking in (think of walking up behind a programmer when their screen is filled with code).

Source

Also, about Divinity’s Reach, we know that she attacked DR on a whim. She saw the motto for the celebration and basically went “Humanity can withstand any test? Well then, I will test them!” And she gained the Watchknights in the process.

MidnightX.6294:

she planed to awake the dragon for the reason to face the evil (like her diary said).

[…]

And since Sylvari were always born to save Tyria, maybe Scarlet tried the same… as the crazy, murdering, madwoman she was.

…Why do people keep trying to make Scarlet sound like a good guy?

She isn’t. She wasn’t. She was selfish, egotistical, and possibly a dragon minion.

The journal doesn’t say she’s going to fight a dragon anyways.

It communicated with me through images of death, destruction, and destiny. I must know more. I must confront it and put an end to this madness.

Add on the tone of voice for it, and you get that she’s going to confront it to learn more from it. To put an end to the madness, by answering her questions.

And in A Study in Scarlet, we’re spoon fed this line:

Player: Something is driving her—something she was afraid of but has since embraced.
Marjory Delaqua: Scared? What could possibly frighten someone like Scarlet?
Kasmeer Meade: She saw something while hooked up to Omadd’s machine. Something that broke her. She’s hearing voices in her head. But what are they telling her to do?

@Zomaarwat: Given the whole shining of blue that gets sucked into Mordremoth’s maw, it’s not less, but more he got.

@Dirame: That’s the Order of Whisper’s Threat Assessment Board. It doesn’t monitor ley lines or the like (ley lines are a rather new discovery), but threats, and is not an actual representation. Furthermore, that’s concept art, the in-game version doesn’t have black holes and lines.

Aaron Ansari.1604:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

(and reform in the case of Foefire ghosts and other very rare examples)

I might be misremembering, but aren’t all ghosts said to reform until whatever is holding them back is dealt with?

“Perhaps there is some good left in this world, for you turned down Jahnus at great risk to your life. That vile beast deserves whatever awaits him in the depths of the Underworld. I only wish it could have been I who cast down his spirit. The dead are grateful, my friend, and hope you will accept this token.” _
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Refusethe_King

Doesn’t seem to be so. The only stated case of a returning spirit other than Foefire ones is the Demagogue in Arurora’s Remains. In other cases – especially throughout GW1 – “killed” spirits = sent to the Mists.

Aaron Ansari.1604:

CureForLiving.5360:

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Scorch_Emberspire, so spirits can be found in the mist. But yes to gain access to the underworld would be a bit more tricky I guess.

Emberspire was found in the Realm of Torment, which is no longer sucking souls in like mad, and is also no longer sucking the world in and so can no longer be accessed.

I’m not saying that it’s never happened or never been possible, but when it has happened, it’s relied on the divine agency of the human gods in some form or another, something that hasn’t been around for over 200 years.

You’re forgetting about the Havrouns, Voices of Koda, and WvW portals (which are asuran, as it seems the Balthazar bit got edited out during development sadly).

Jora: “I do not know what we contacted that day, but its energies nearly consumed us.”
Jora: “I resisted the power, and was cursed by it. I cannot embrace the wild. I can no longer become the bear.”
Jora: “My brother seized the power and went mad. He was transformed. He became the creature you fought.”
Jora: “My brother now raids the Norn settlements. He avoids me, though I pursue him.”
Jora: “I communed with the bear spirit. She wishes you to aid me.”

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Jora%27s_Curse

I don’t think it was that Bear was out of favor with Jora, especially since Bear told Jora that she wanted the players to aid her.

And I don’t think whatever happened to Scarlet was the same as what happened to Jora. Jora was still able to commune with Bear, and there’s no mental connection (which is what the Dream kind-of-sort-of is) between them.

Belzebu.3912:

Maybe Drakkar or Jormag didn’t like female norn as minions, if you notice only male norn become corrupted, so the effect of the corruption on female was to lose the bound with the spirits.

Interestingly, Jormag does not show the same bias as its Son of Svanir followers; it has been known to corrupt all races and all genders.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/A_Spirit_of_Legend#Dragon

Beyond that, it was confirmed in this interview that female norn do get corrupted. It’s just that the Sons of Svanir kill them.

As to why Jora lost her ability to become the Bear and was not turned into an icebrood… Not really sure. Her curse was ended when she slew Svanir, so it’s rather unclear.

We have no indication about the level of Elder Dragon intelligence.

Given that the Elder Dragons know everything their minions know, they have to be pretty darn smart if they’re corrupting billions of individuals over several millenniums.

Escape from LA, lore wise, happens once and before you can go visit any of the camps (seeing how all the escort NPCs are in said camps). We basically played through the very initial assault dozens of times a day for two weeks there.

Similar to the Marionette – there was only one Marionette storywise. It replayed for the players’ benefit though.

And whether or not it was possibly obtained from media sites.

Or if the makers of the twitters are from such media sites.

I would argue this is a mixture of Scarlet’s egoism and her possibly being corrupted by Mordremoth.

Dragon minions often have statements of “I am in the right” and sometimes even “I am important to my dragon”. One of the more noticeable of the former is the Sovereign Eye of Zhaitan during The Source of Orr:

Sovereign Eye of Zhaitan: Defilers! Poisoners! We see you. We know your foul intent. These waters must remain as they are — and you must die!

And an example of the latter would be the Kitah Conjurer in the dynamic event at Kitah Manse:

Veteran Risen Kitah Conjurer: My old master mocked my power. But Zhaitan gave me more!
Veteran Risen Kitah Conjurer: Zhaitan’s chosen…never truly die…

Shows a sense of “the dragon favored me!” doesn’kitten

I feel that Scarlet might have been going the same way. But it might be only her egoism going off there too. She thinks she’s important, she thinks she’s great and that nearly nothing can stop her. She’s too kitten important in her own head to not be needed by Tyria.

There’s ghostly treasure and ale in Broken Beacon and The Shattered Keep respectively.

I think ghosts are just capable of forming objects – weapons, clothing, cannons, trebuchets, etc. – like they can form (and reform in the case of Foefire ghosts and other very rare examples) themselves.

I’m surprised how easily convinced people are about these (imo obviously) fake accounts. These things have been done since at least Corporal Bane.

Makes me tempted to troll with a fake Twitter account myself…

Nothing says that the magic in the world is ever-increasing.

The Elder Dragons consume magic. But they also exude it.

The question is: do they exude all of it back into the world? Does magic increase?

We don’t know. Nothing says Tyria will “overcharge” with the Elder Dragons’ demise. And the Elder Dragons certainly aren’t good guys, given how they don’t mind wiping out entire civilizations time and time again when all they “need” to do is consume magic – there’s no need for them to corrupt stuff.

ElysianEternity.6215:

So… Guess who has a twitter now

Xukavi.4320:

Well interesting tweet from Mordy: “I would have been sleeping now if you all didn’t ruin my minion’s plans. You are to blame for what is to come.”

wookalar.8952:

I find 3 things interesting on “Mordy’s” Twitter:

The Twitter account is not official.

Xukavi.4320:

From what I heard was that the Scarlet Briar account was actually backed by a dev (something I heard from forums so take it with a grain of salt). This would sorta lean towards Mordy also being backed by a dev.

Nope. Or at least not official. See above link.

ElysianEternity.6215:

Also looks like story bits may occasionally land on flickr.

Oh dear. I hope they don’t do this frequently. That’s worse than on the main page!

I prefer entertaining the idea that Peter the Lost is secretly the djinn that was within Capricorn as seen in Sea of Sorrows.

A trite thing like deadly miasma wouldn’t harm a being of the elements.

Shud, Peter, Kiel, and Magnus are most likely to not get kicked.

Peter isn’t lost, despite his nickname, but was helping citizens like the other three until he ended up trapped in there.

But what what I got to wonder is…

How the hell did he survive that miasma!?

Is… is he immortal or something? o.o

I think you’re connecting more things to Mordremoth than there really is.

I mean… do we really have any proof that the red vine in the vision was Mordremoth? No, we really don’t. The sketch obviously comes from the vision, so that’s not an additional point to hold but an elongated one.

It could have been a champion. And besides, Glint was blue, Kralkatorrik’s color is purple. So the color of a champion != color of a dragon’s corruption.

And it should be noted: red is completely absent from all creatures and plants in Zone Green and Experimental Lab Green But the husks in there? They have yellow cores.

Kaiiku.2917:

That being said, wouldn’t they have something saying it’s fanmade or so to not interfere with ANet if it wasn’t by them? None of them have it…

I don’t think Corporal Bane’s twitter ever stated to be fan-made. I don’t think it needs to be either, and I doubt many people who’d think of making such up (there’s a lot of such folks) would bother.

Besides, it does say: Tyria’s new (Un-Official) Master.

I never said “Jormag corrupted Svanir” – I was basically saying, in short-hand form, “Jormag corrupts via mental whispers. Such as how Svanir was corrupted.”

It isn’t just Drakkar, but the Dragonspawn and other icebrood too that have this mental-corruption ability.

I don’t see how you can outright connect the red vines to Mordremoth, but deny the yellow growth on Scarlet’s face, while claiming Scarlet is Mordremoth’s champion. Being his champion, she would (either immediately akin to risen and branded, or gradually akin to icebrood and destroyers) show physical change in her body. Since we can tell it isn’t immediate, it has to be gradual. The yellow growth is the only change to her body.

The red vines from her fingers is just standard sylvari manipulation of plants.

Besides, red is Primordus’ color…