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Valley Of Gwaun

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They’re not named Ascalonian. But they may use the same models.

However, this isn’t saying much, because there are Krytan ghosts – those in the Ruins of Holy Demetre – that uses the same models, weapons, and attacks.

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Three Tyrian Moons

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The moon is referred to as “Melandru’s moon” by Canthans and is highly revered by Luxons. Wouldn’t surprise me if it were magical in some means.

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Origin of The Pale Tree

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@Tobias Trueflight.8350: Inescapable, like I was saying. Though he’s no icebrood – merely a Son of Svanir with very very minor taint. Jormag’s minions are icebrood, the Sons of Svanir merely use his power (which slowly turn them into icebrood, but they themselves are not such).

@Shirou.4862: Plants are living beings, so there’s no paradox. And Kralkatorrik can corrupt plants, as seen with the Dragonbrand, as can Zhaitan as seen with a Sparkfly Fen heart (and some spots in Orr too I think) – whether the other dragons (Jormag, Primordus, and the DSD) can or not is unknown.

Also, it’s actually Caithe which suggests the Shadow of the Dragon is a representation of Zhaitan – and the Pale Tree confirms it to be so. Of course, she could still be wrong, but as the Dream of Dreams’ caretaker, I think she’s more right than wrong about this. What the Pale Tree “believes” to be the case is you facing Zhaitan – since she cannot foresee the future, she couldn’t know that you’d live long enough to attempt the Wyld Hunt in person.

Regarding Malyck – Jenosavel is correct. Malyck’s considered dangerous not because of who or what he is, but because he’s proof there’s a second tree. It’s why knowledge of Malyck and said tree were kept secret by Caithe, Trahearne, and yourself – and why you had to hunt down the Knight of Embers.

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Lore Podcast

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There’s three series (I think one discontinued though) off the top of my head, the most famous – and far from perfect (personally, I wouldn’t recommend if you intend to use said podcasts as fact based – in fact, I’d recommend against it, no insult intended)- is WoodenPotatoes. I don’t got links on me though, but a youtube search should provide a plentitude of results.

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(possible spoilers) Who was Mollen?

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For those interested in where the name comes from: http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Book_%28The_Vizier%27s_Tower%29

Anyways, I’ve only seen the name mentioned there, so I wouldn’t know.

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Theory about the Human Gods, need evidence!

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She says “My goddess was mere prey for the dragon. Despair!” as well.

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Grawl and Dredgehaunt Cliffs

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It’s related to the grawl racial sympathy storyline. It’s where a tribe of friendly icebrood-worshipping grawl live – until its destroyed by said icebrood because the PC makes them realize they’re worshiping not gods but dragon minions.

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What gave birth to the first Harpy?

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Whoever said that it was hidden? Before the corruption took over it, who’s to say what it looked like? A largos wouldn’t be much different than a winged human in appearance. Turn the wings from being smooth to feathery, and bam, you get an angel figure.

And no, we were never promised risen mursaat – that was pure fan desire because the risen took hold of the Ring of Fire.

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Origin of The Pale Tree

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Gsdfjslakjd tried posting three times and keep getting the same error. Q_Q Anyways…

People who have become Nightmare Courtiers cannot go back. Those rescued are prisoners being tortured/turned but not yet so. This is also seen with icebrood and branded – in Frostgorge Sound (Snow Climb), there’s a heart where you can free kodan from Ice Prisons (said prisons slowly corrupt them, as an event there also shows), and similarly in Iron Marches there’s a heart where you can free Sentinels from Branded Crystals (the heart NPC saying that they corrupt, and sometimes there will be branded creatures – including charr – within them).

It has been my thought for quite some time that Mordremoth is the cause of the Nightmare, so indirectly the Nightmare Court. There’s a lot of implications that the husks are not solely of Nightmare Court origins, and there’s mention of the Nightmare Court being stoppable, but not the Nightmare itself. Furthermore, I believe it was said somewhere that Faolain fell to Nightmare after her visit to Orr with Caithe (when she and Caithe first saw Zhaitan, there was mention of how Faolain embraced the darkness of life seen when she fell to Nightmare while Caithe teetered on the edge) – this would have likely occurred prior to the Nightmare Court’s establishment, making Faolain the first sylvari fallen to Nightmare (but not the founder of the Nightmare Court).

I’m unsure whether the Nightmare Courtiers themselves are corrupted or not, because if they are then Mordremoth is the one and only Elder Dragon able to corrupt sylvari (we know from in-game that Zhaitan can’t – there was an interview near sylvari week a while back which said that instead of being corrupted the sylvari die meaning that Elder Dragons other than Zhaitan can’t corrupt them since Zhaitan only corrupts corpses (what’s dead cannot die)).

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Flame and frost plot-hole?

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Flame Legion aren’t xenophobic. They’re oppressors and conquerors.

Anyways, this isn’t a plothole (yet) and will likely be explained, or furthered in some form, in phase 3. I think that it’s either one of three possibilities:

  1. They’re put in a corner, so out of desperation they’ve formed an alliance. Being pushed into a corner each makes them desperate for survival – thus they ally with someone who’s an enemy to their enemy(’s allies).
  2. There’s benefits to it, and they’re working out of logic rather than emotion now: new enemies for their foes (the norn are not used to fighting Flame Legion charr, and the charr don’t deal with dredge too much) and they have strengths the other lacks (Flame Legion has magic but no tech, dredge has tech but no magic).
  3. Something or someone forced them to work together – originally I was thinking Primordus. But with the last news post about Living Story developing, I think its the mentioned “personal nemesis” – the antithesis to our character who instead of uniting the Orders of Tyria is uniting the Villains of Tyria.

For it to be a plothole, there’d have to be a reason that doesn’t make sense – or no reason at all. There likely is a reason. It’d also be a plothole if there isn’t some form of internal strife… which we’ll be able to manipulate I bet, should it exist.

Besides, who wouldn’t want a Charr Effigy/Iron Forgeman combination to fight? I found the Iron Forgeman to be the best story mode dungeon boss in the game. Now picturing it with the epicness that the Gaheron fight could have had… mindgasm.

Wait, ‘the third installment in this four-part series’? I thought the first two things were preludes…

They were. The preludes were part of the four installments too.

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Theory about the Human Gods, need evidence!

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And while the Dragons threat is a big one and they should want to help their devotes, maybe they have something big to fight in their own realm.

We know that Jormag is interested on the Mists, so there is the possibility of other dragons being interested on that too so maybe the gods are trying to content them from the other side right now.

  1. Menzies.
  2. Dhuum.
  3. Mist Wars (origin unknown! I suspect Menzies and Dhuum are tied to it)
  4. Jormag in the Mists – and possibly Kralkatorrik given location, hell even some Risen may have gotten there.

Plenty of threats.

It’s also possible that Melandru and Lyssa are dead. The Risen High Priestess of Lyssa and the Risen Priestesses of Lyssa both proclaim that Zhaitan has devoured Lyssa (and will eat other gods). Melandru is heavily implied to be one and the same with Mellaggan, and the quaggan say that she was killed by the krait when they fled from the depths.

The risen priests/priestesses throughout Orr (both temple ones and the High ones in the seer path of Arah) have interesting reactions to their respective gods: Grenth is full of lies, Lyssa is dead, Dwayna still blesses her priestesses, Balthazar’s ignored completely (e.g., not mentioned); though I’m unsure of how Melandru’s treated by the temple’s priest.

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Theory about the Human Gods, need evidence!

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Which begs the question why the mursaat were the only ones who attacked the Seers. Although it seems that the mursaat may have attacked and nearly wiped out the Seers before the bloodstone was fully created. The only other option being that the mursaat returned for a little bit from their “other phase” after the bloodstone was made and killed the Seers before they added the mursaat magic to the magics sucked into the blodstone. IDK, it’s still ambiguous as to how everything happened back then, and honestly it was most likely a domino effect of actions happening extremely rapidly and growing out of control.

My theory is for this timeframe of events to have occured:

  1. Giganticus Lupicus fall to the Elder Dragons.
  2. Mursaat magic found effective and is intended to be used as the main weapon against the Elder Dragons. The mursaat, being selfish as they are, disagree with other races using their magic.
  3. Discovering that the Elder Dragons consume magic, the Seers come up with the plan of the Bloodstone.
  4. Mursaat don’t want to lose their magic, so they wipe out most of the Seers before fleeing the world.
  5. Seers make Bloodstone and hide it, but the remaining races are left without a means to fight (no technology – jotun “technology” seems to be magitech like asurans’), during which time the races’ numbers slowly dwindle.
  6. Dwayna appears and brings the Forgotten (nothing yet says that the Forgotten weren’t brought by the gods), who have magic the ED cannot corrupt, and humans, then brought further south; the Forgotten then lure Glaust and perform a ritual to give her free will – she continues fighting for Kralkatorrik a little longer, but her mind-reading abilities combined with free will causes her empathy and she betrays Kralk, hiding the races.
  7. Elder Dragons starve while searching the land for the magic they can’t find (Bloodstone and surviving races); no one knows Zhaitan ended up where he did. Balthazar comes sweeping the land with his “cleansing flames” then Melandru arrives to bring back natural life, effectively removing all Elder Dragon corruption. Dwarves (possibly Jotun) begin worshiping Dwayna (and other gods for jotun?) as their savior goddess (later bringing Grenth into worship as he’s her son).
  8. History as we know it…?

Menzies is called a half-god […]

No he’s not. Menzies’ divinity status is unknown to us – completely.

Your theory isn’t new – as Tobias said – but holds very little support. Then again, so is almost every theory about how the original pantheon of the Six Gods came to be is. Though regarding Arachnia – and there’s many insectoid gods mentioned, only Arachnia’s named – I like to think she’s either of a different pantheon, or is Abaddon’s unmentioned predecessor. Abaddon is called the mightiest of the gods, capable of defeating two gods at once but not all five, so it wouldn’t surprise me if Abaddon took power of more than one god if he wasn’t of the original pantheon (and if he was, that he didn’t take another gods’ power at some point – namely Arachnia).

I’m not sure if Wintersday’s after EotN release count as cannon or not for manifestations of the gods and their responses, or at least their agents responses, we really never get to see a proper god on their full glory, only recent god Kormir, ex-god Dhuum and imprisioned god Abaddon.

Given the developments that hint at post-WiK/Dhuum’s release (oncoming darkness threat, Balth and Melandru joining the fray, etc.), I think they did appear after Nightfall for some time (and yes, including EotN, though lorewise they should have stopped after Nightfall not EotN).

If the dragons are the cause of the silence, it may have stopped around Primordus’ rise.

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Mursaat easter egg

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No, I’d say they’re malicious. They’re explicitly stated to have betrayed the other races and fled the world during the last ED rise when their magic was effective in fighting the Elder Dragons.

Both then and during GW1, what they did was only to save their own hides.

They’re malicious, but they’re not proactively asserting themselves in others’ lives. Instead, they’ll leave everyone else high and dry and kill whomever they need to remain safe – be it an entire race called the Seers or thousands within two years called Chosen.

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Three Tyrian Moons

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Well it is possible that there’re two moons – and they’re on complete opposite sides of Tyria, rotating in the same or nearly the same path.

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What gave birth to the first Harpy?

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However, I suspect that the proto-harpy race is an actual race that Dwayna, Melandru and possibly Abaddon (there is an old description of pre-Fall Abaddon with wings, although it’s hard to find nowadays) arose from.

I wonder agreed with this notion – or that, alternatively, harpies were an attempt to mimic this race that failed.

However, GW2 has been making me think more and more that Dwayna and Melandru (perhaps Abaddon given that old description) were largos who ascended into godhood. Dwayna’s skin is pale blue – like largos’ – all three are described with wings (which largos’ fins would easily be mistaken as), Dwayna’s statue utilizes a model which was originally meant to be a risen female largos, and both Melandru and Abaddon are associated with the deep water in some means (Melandru via Mellaggan, Abaddon being obvious, Lord of the Everlasting Depths and all that). Not to mention Abaddon’s motto that contains “Act without Mercy.”

And that’s not including the links shown between largos and Orrians.

Harpies are another old favour of the gods that have fallen. Their story is probably pretty similar to Jotun. They arrived to the world with the 6 gods, after the last awakening of the elder dragons. At some point (before or after the Age of Giants) the Harpies turned against Dwayna and they became fallen.

Except that there’s no notion that they came with the Six to Tyria – they may have been banished to Tyria after or during their fall.

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Theory about the Human Gods, need evidence!

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It’s never said that the jotun gave up magic for the Seers – just that the Seers put all magic with jotun magic being specifically mentioned as “included” into the original Bloodstone. The Seers might have taken it without the jotun’s knowledge.

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Dredge and F-Legion behind Fire&Ice

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The word would be racist, technically speaking – I think… The term is at least used for differing species (often (falsely) used synonymously with races) in fantasy and science fiction fictions though in regards to discrimination against a particular species.

There’s a bit of lore on the Black Lion Trading Post – it’s a delivery, shop, and mail service, established(?) by the charr Evon Gnashblade who has a sylvari aide-de-camp (someone’s missing his Legions’ ranking system). Beyond that and where their HQ is located (where you can find Evon and his aide-de-camp), I don’t know personally but there may be more.

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Bloodstones and how they influence Magic

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Not really – even the ritualists’ pre-Bloodstone division was magic. Magic doesn’t come from the Six Gods – it existed on Tyria long before they arrived, but was sealed in the Bloodstone by the seers (the actual makers of it). So if the Elder Dragons consumed all magic, that’d include Ritualists’ unique magic.

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The six gods are NOT ancient dragons

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Many risen says that Lyssa was eaten by Zhaitan. But given the risen’s psychological warfare, take it with a grain of salt.

Konig saying labels not make you happy. Gods, dragons, nggghhhh… you must love you.

Explain? (I dun get it)

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The six gods are NOT ancient dragons

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It’s both – The Artesian Waters is both where the Six Gods first walked on the world, and what drew them to the world because it was so full of magic. It being its own source of magic (hence “the Source of Orr”) is why the Six Gods came to Orr and, indeed, the world.

Zhaitan being beneath Arah, it would turn out, was pure coincidence. The only interaction (known to us) between the Six Gods and Zhaitan is that they tapped into its power when they split the Bloodstone in order to strengthen it. They did this unknowing of the Elder Dragons’ existence.

@Mithran: Issue is that Dwayna, Balthazar, and Melandru are all heavily implied – if not outright shown – to have been gods prior to arriving on Tyria. This means that, if they were ever not gods, they became gods at wherever humanity comes from.

Furthermore, another issue is that the Six Gods’ power is indestructible, however the Elder Dragons’ power is very much not so – otherwise, there would have been a ball of energy threatening to explode when Zhaitan was killed.

Furthermore, your sentence of “Then the human gods would, one by one, take over the previous gods, bring the humans over and all the Tyrian history we know.” outright proves you wrong, since the Elder Dragons were always on Tyria, but the Six Gods did not exist on the world until they brought humanity (or so we’re told). So the Elder Dragons existed for thousands of years prior to the Six Gods’ existence on the world.

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Theory about the Human Gods, need evidence!

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Teratus, I would take what Thruln the Lost says with a grain of salt. He’s known to be wrong in about half of what he says. Including the line of the Six Gods taking magic from the jotun – it was the seers that did that, when they made the Bloodstone.

Then again, Thruln never says the Six Gods, just “the gods.” So if the jotun consider the seers to be gods….

The gods limited magic because King Doric pleaded them to do so, not because they saw it a threat. Abaddon wasn’t imprisoned just for giving out magic too freely, but for revolting when it was hindered (though there’s an old pre-Nightfall’s-release that hints to it being the Margonites who started the war, and the forgotten retaliated, and brought Abaddon then the other five into the war).

This section of the Wiki clearly states that these beings are not all knowing nor are they all powerful
which are normally common traits associated with Godhood

Eh, no. Those are traits associated with monotheistic gods. Polytheistic gods – which is the original view of gods – are almost never invincible, omnipotent, nor omniscient.

In a polytheistic view, they are gods. Polytheism gods are called such because they have high powers, live eternal youths, and most importantly have control over making and changing life. The Six Gods have shown, thus far, to have this. Though one can argue that its not the beings, but the power the beings hold, which are the true gods – as that power is, as the wiki says, indestructible.

the Norn did at one point in time before they were betrayed and turned to worshiping the spirits of the wild

Again, take what Thruln says with a grain of salt. He’s far from a reliable source. Even excluding the facts he gets outright wrong (human history), know that Thruln knows what he does through oral tradition – which, well, ever played the Telephone Game? After ten or so folks, the message is never the same. Never. Same thing happens with oral tradition – and moreso, given how it’s not an immediate passing, so folks are prone to forget as they pass on.

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Valley Of Gwaun

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If you get a zerg, you probably could kill them, though the number would likely increase.

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The six gods are NOT ancient dragons

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+1 to OP. Honestly, it shouldn’t even need to be mentioned, and anyone who pays attention in the temple events, did Seer Arah path, or went to call upon Grenth in the personal storyline would know this outright.

No-ones claiming that, AFAIK.

Quite the opposite. This idea pops up like clockwork.

Clockwork that needs to be broken.

I’ve heard different theories on how the elder dragons might be the cause of the gods’ silence, or how their power might be tied to dragons (ala Facets). I’m not sure I heard a theory stating outright that they are dragons though.

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Yeah, I know you’re not, but the so-called theory outright stating that Six Gods=Six Elder Dragons is as old as the knowledge of a sixth Elder Dragon is – e.g., just as old as the equally absurd and false “Pale Tree=Elder Dragon(’s champion)” so-called theory.

Edit: Why does image linking never work for me? Q_Q

I have also heard that theory Erukk from a couple of sources but its completely flawed by confirmation that the Elder Dragons Pre date the arrival of the Human Gods on Tyria

One of the first things the Gods did when they arrived on Tyria was build the City of Arah and Arah’s location was decided because of the enormous magical energy the Gods could feel present in the area, we now know this area as Orr
we also know now that this enormous magical energy they sensed was coming from Zhaitan which is more than enough evidence i need to relay here proving that the Dragons were in Tyria long before the Gods were
specially since there have been confirmed cycles of Elder Dragons awakening long before Humans even existed on Tyria
and the Humans arrived on Tyria around the same time as their Gods did

1) Arah is hinted to predate the fall of the Elder Dragons (Altar of Glaust, where Glint was freed from Kralk’s control, is in Arah), as well as the arrival of the Six Gods (The first of the gods to step forth from the mists was Dwayna, goddess of air and life. She placed her pale foot on the stones of Arah – though given the prose form of this source, it’s uncertain to be literal).
2) The magic that the Six Gods sensed was NOT from Zhaitan, but from The Artesian Waters as shown in the end of Cathedral of Silence story step.

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What gave birth to the first Harpy?

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How did the first grawl came to be? Or the first charr?

Answer: Magic or Evolution.

It’s a bigger question as to how they reproduce at all. I believe that harpies can mate with a large variety of species, given how there are some which seduce grawl in Fireheart Rise, but grawl aren’t indigenous to Elona where harpies were first seen. And though they’re said to kidnap humans only for feeding or target practice for their young, I wouldn’t doubt they have extra activities for the men. Their pheromones are aphrodisiacs after all.

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Bloodstones and how they influence Magic

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Ritualists existed before Abaddon gave the gift of Magic to the races or Tyria so they were unaffected by the Bloodstone split and follow their own rules of Magic.

Source:
-snip-

I’m very well aware that ritualists predate 1 BE. However, you should read your own source more carefully:

“These human Ritualists adapted to true magic when the gods introduced it, but still rely on the Spirits of the dead to put these skills into practice. Unfortunately for scholars such as myself, the skills of the true Ritualist are no longer to be seen; but those that evolved from the merging of magic and Spirit certainly are widespread.”

Modern ritualists in GW1 use both magic from the Bloodstone and spirit-empowered magic. Meaning that they still use one of the schools of magic, but they can bypass the limitation the bloodstones created of the four schools through the use of spirits.

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Is there potential for other Pale Trees?

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Not only is it heavily implied that this second tree holds no connection to the Dream of Dreams, but there are non-sylvari/pale tree-species creatures that can enter the Dream of Dreams. Namely, the White Stag.

It’s also interesting to note the portal that the Pale Tree makes to send players into the Dream of Dreams during the personal story step “A Light in the Darkness” – it’s a blue circular portal, and is the same exact kind that the Sons of Svanir, Icebrood, and Havrouns use to enter/leave the Mists. It’s also interesting to note that during the norn storyline Defend the Mists, you enter the Mists twice – and in both cases, you’re in the exact same location and appearance, except that things are more cloudy and there’s a change in NPCs (to signify going into the spirit realm): namely, the new ones being spirits or SoS/icebrood. It’s a similar situation as entering the Dream of Dreams during that story step.

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Three Tyrian Moons

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There is no indication that meteorlogicus is even accurate (especially given the shape), let alone is meant to be about Tyria and its satellites (natural or otherwise).

There’s never been more than one even mentioned – be it seen or talked about. So it seems there’s only one moon.

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Bloodstones and how they influence Magic

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It’s possible that such isn’t the case – it’s just my own personal theory given how healing is made much more prominent in GW2 – to an extensively higher degree than GW1. And how even the school of Preservation has a much more combative (and electrical) profession compared to GW1. In other words, I’m not saying self-healing was impossible in GW1 – I’m saying that it’s so great now that it seems like every profession is utilizing Preservation to boost the effect (which would then explain why we’re not using secondary professions anymore from a lore sense).

Also: signets are not words. They’re draw[n] and contain[ed] magic through intense study and the use of certain materials-‘signets’-and also with the blessing of all the Six. They’re materials which contain magic, the process of making such originating from Orr. (See also Signets of Capture quests in GW1).

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Jade Wind = Mordremoth?

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There’s no worship of a dragon in Canthan culture – the closest you get is Tahmu, the Celestial Dragon, who was formerly a human empress.

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Is there potential for other Pale Trees?

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It’s in Magus Falls. We’re told it lies west of the river that the pod was in – which heads south into Metrica Province and out west. It should be approximately around where The Falls was in GW1.

I don’t see how this tree could possibly be under influence of Mordremoth.

And Malyck DOES have his memory – it was a (false) presumption on the PC, Caithe, and Trahearne that he didn’t because he didn’t know of the Grove or the Pale Tree. But if you went with Caithe’s option in the storyline, Malyck shows that he remembers everything from the moment he awakened. He just didn’t have a Dream of Dream experience (that he knows of, though according to the Trahearne option, at all).

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Is there potential for other Pale Trees?

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No, not the Green Knight. Where Life Goes, So Too Should You. The Green Knight just dealt with the invincible (thanks to enchanted armor) Nightmare Courtier.

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Valley Of Gwaun

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I did the event there earlier today and was wondering the same thing (though it didn’t occur to me to think of the human ghosts there the first time I went through a while back). Don’t recall anything on it.

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We probably have just as many EU folks as American.

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Jade Wind = Mordremoth?

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Historically, they were in Cantha. From An Empire Divided: “Surprisingly, although surviving records and artifacts from this period prove that the serpentine Forgotten dwelt in Cantha as well, they appear not to have come into conflict with humans there. My own interpretation of the data indicates that geographic reasons are most likely: the two races did not compete for food or territory before the Forgotten departed the world en masse. "

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@Ratphink: there’s actually a bit of evidence to point to Kuunavang possibly being a dragon champion. Firstly, in The Movement of the World, Kuunavang and Glint are put on par to each other. Mind you, this is old and may predate the plans to make Glint a dragon champion. Later on, sometime in 2009, Glint was compared to Rotscale.

Secondly, during an interview Ree and Jeff have a slight disagreement in commenting on the nature of non-ED dragons. To transcribe it:


Q: “From several people: Will we know the fate of Glint’s baby in GW2?”

J: "Wow The whole story of Glint was an interesting thing that came in because of course we are looking at-

R: “-we looked at Glint, we looked at Kuunavang, we looked at Rotscale.”

J: “We said ‘we got dragons in the world, what are these creatures?’ And that’s one reason why we-”

R: “And they’re not the same (J:they came from)… really.”

J: “No they are, again that gets back to what I was saying about different dragons function differently therefore their minions function differently.”

R: “Yeah.”

J: “So Glint in many ways is unique. We do tell the tale, this is spoiler, of how Glint got free. And that’s a game story. (ree starts talking but stops for Jeff to finish) And we haven’t seen what becomes of the babies yet.”

R: “We said that the Elder Dragons, like Zhaitan, create minions, and sometimes their minions go out and make minions. So the idea that Glint has babies or has procreated is meaningful and is part of the story we took account, but we haven’t told the story of whether her children will be free of the dragon she broke away from.”

J: “Or will they be influenced by it.”

The combination of these two things hint that Kuunavang and Rotscale are dragon champions. However, I suspect Kuunavang is more likely to be related to a seventh unknown Air/Sky/Star Elder Dragon (a seventh ED can be argued in by the fact that the six only comes from Jotun knowledge, so one from Cantha, which is far out of reach of the jotun, would remain unknown – Kuunavang could also have been made an ally by the forgotten, as they too were on Cantha).

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Jade Wind = Mordremoth?

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Your “realization” has been brought up probably five or so ties by now (most recent discussion ) – and was even thought up to be related to any Elder Dragon previously as well. And nothing shows it to be so. In fact, there’s more evidence to argue against such ties than for.

  1. Mordremoth has more influence on continental Tyria than the deep sea dragon – this implies that it is, in fact, closer than the DSD which lies between continental Tyria/Elona and Cantha.
  2. The Jade Wind wasn’t caused by Abaddon, but rather Shiro twisting power given by Dwayna (possibly the other gods) that he stole from the emperor. In other words, we know the source of the power for the Jade Wind. To go out and say “but they’re wrong!” just because is rather foolhardy. “But somewhere along the way, dark forces corrupted Shiro Tagachi, forces that he sought out against the laws of his empire and his gods. He learned the ways of forbidden sorcery and engaged in studies and rituals well beyond the disciplines of the Assassin.” “He struck the moment the emperor had received the second blessing of Holy Dwayna, Shadow Stepping through the void to materialize directly behind Angsiyan’s back. With a roar, Shiro drove both of his blades through the emperor’s heart. " and “The other was in the process of tearing Angsiyan’s soul from his body, consuming it with his raw will, feeding on the emperor’s life force as it drained through the conduit of Shiro’s enchanted swords. " source: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/An_Empire_Divided In short, he took a good gift that was received on an annual basis with no side-effects and spread across the land by the Emperor, and twisted through dark rituals – provided, presumably, by Abaddon (the “dark forces” that “corrupted” Shiro).
  3. Key thing, the magic behind the Jade Wind is not corruptive on its own – this is outright proof that it’s not Elder Dragon magic, which is nothing but corruptive on its own. It only became a threat when Shiro Tagachi messed with it.
  4. The EN quest Path of Revelation’s cipher actually refers to Arah. It is a land unwaking on distant shores, due to being submerged and quite distanced from the Far Shiverpeaks, and it holds the answers of the Six Gods – about what they’ve studied, about the bloodstones, and so forth – among other things (what Giganticus Lupicus look like, for instance, and how the races survived the last ED rise, how Glint betrayed her master, etc. etc. etc.). before release, Jeff Grubb even hinted that it may refer to Orr.
  5. Your presuming Kuunavang is a dragon champion. This is a fallacy.
  6. No one “mistook” Glint as a creation for the gods – she lied to everyone about her origins. Difference.
  7. Kuunavang doesn’t guard the Harvest Temple. As your own quote shows – she was trapped there.
  8. All indication gives that Mordremoth holds ties with plants (source: Crucible of Eternity – Zone Green and Experimental Green Lab are full of plants and plant creatures – with not a single stone entity in sight), so it’s unlikely he’d turn things to stone. If anything, he’d turn things into looking like this or this.
  9. Nothing related Kuunavang to stone or plants.
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Do thieves have their own "magic"?

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Thieves DO use magic. This is a fact. Shadow stepping is magic, and they use other spells too. They used more magic in GW1, however.

What’s questionable is what school they use.

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Quaggan Structures?

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Actually, we do know how quaggans look in their very early stages. We can see quaggans hatch during evacuation iirc, and even then, there’s Quaggan Hatchlings.

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Skelk aren’t amphibians. They’re just amphibious.

Amphibians are born in water, but able to live on both water and land. Skelks are born on land (originating from underground), so they’re either mammals, reptiles, or something not found on earth (which, tbh, could be what quaggans are too).

Looking at it from general traits each class in the animal kingdom have you get this:

Mammals: Mammary glands, warm-blooded, skin and fur, usually doesn’t lay eggs
Birds: Wings, (mostly? – are penguins feathered?) feathered, (always?) lays eggs
Reptiles: Cold-blooded, scales, lays eggs, amphibious but born on land
Amphibians: amphibious and born in water, has two stages in life (water-breathing larva and air-breathing adult), mostly(?) cold-blooded
Fish: Aquatic, gills instead of lungs, scales, most lay eggs others incubate eggs in their bodies (different than mammals, though visually similar)
Invertebrates: lacks an endoskeleton

From this, we can outright cut out birds, reptiles, fish, and invertebrates. Quaggans lack that “water-breathing larva” state of amphibians, thus would only be left mammals.

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What do you mean which ones? Which physical attributes?

The fact they have skin and not scales. Their tail and body’s shape being design after aquatic/swimming mammals. The lack of fins and gills (by all appearances on the latter, at least). Their existence in the arctic (and thus not cold blooded) while having blubber (iirc, that’s said about the northern ones and is part of the cause why they cannot exist in warm waters and why the southern ones can’t in colder waters). All these point to “not fish, not reptile, not amphibian” with hints of “possibly mammal” and I doubt you’d go and call them birds given the lack of wings.

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How Powerful is the Force behind Flame/Frost?

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But those who didn’t play GW1 wouldn’t recognize them. Though Lazarus pulling some strings would be a nice ploy – why would he care about causing harm to norn and charr?

Mursaat, by all attributes we’ve seen of them, are vain and selfish. They’re not focused on world destruction or world domination (perhaps) so much as they’re focused on being in a good position and away from danger. Even if it means kitten everyone else to do so – as we’ve seen them do in both Prophecies and during the last ED rise. And Lazarus would be focused on revenge – towards humanity and asuranity.

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And so it does not work for dolphin-makes-mammal because it was only the appearance of dolphins used as an example of how their design process worked not even how they look now. For me they rather look like pegman on two leg and not anywhere near to a dolphin. If they are similar to something for me it’s tadpoles.

Where do you see a proof that they are mammals?

Color schemes and physical attributes (shape, size, texture, etc.) are vastly different things.

And it is in those physical attributes which I believe point to them being mammalian.

And thank you Oglaf. I knew there was a specific species of whale that quaggans are just like, but couldn’t recall the name.

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Hmmm… a lore-acceptable alternative would probably relate to enchanting it so that it’d be harmful for someone else to wield it (burning, for example) or for it to be unable to be gripped by another (e.g., it would “slide away” from someone else’s hands towards the pommel or the like). Weapons being enchanted is canon lore (Ghosts of Ascalon features an ebony colored blade that’s effective against ghosts – I imagine it, by mechanical value, would have a Sigil of Ghost Slaying in it), so going beyond the mechanics’ limitations to go that way would work.

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The Archivists Sanctum [Lore] – an attempt from Guru lore forumites to make a universal lore-lovers’ guild – is stations on Sanctum of Rall. Since we worked the guild up long before release, we worked out our server before hand and got most folks on Sanctum of Rall.

Anyone who wants an invite need only ask myself, Thalador, or draxynnic!

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Soulbinding

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I don’t think such exists in lore. It’s little different than customization in GW1, which was never featured in lore. It’s just a mechanical means to ensure you don’t go selling schtuff. Otherwise how would you explain account binding?

If you want to use lore for that, then it’d be little more than something you would never give up as far as I can tell. At least for me.

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It sounds like they’re going into Southsun Cove – that’s a level 80 area. So I wouldn’t be so sure.

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Mursaat easter egg

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That “comeback” was actually just Linsey stating in 2007 that there were “cool plans.”

Note: these “cool plans” could have been intended for War in Kryta, as the prelude to it (Zinn’s golems) which screamed (to me at least) Lazarus’ dealings occurred after the fact, and the WiK content included 7 mursaat, with a brand new kind of jade construct.

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Quaggan Structures?

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Lokheit said what I was going to say – amphibious just means something that lives above and below land. If dolphines had legs instead of fins, they’d be amphibious – despite being mammals biologically.

The second indication for me is that they hatch their eggs and offspring together without having a close connection of mother and child while only some individuals are guarding and raising them. Even with beeings that socially hatch their offspring as a group there is a connection between mother and child, but it doesn’t seem that way with quaggan. There is no indication that the offspring gets fed by the mother.

Imprinting doesn’t require biological mothers to be the ones viewed as such by hatchlings. Societal mothers is no different than a wetnurse – wetnurses were servants who would breastfeed children so their mother wouldn’t have to; the constant action of breastfeeding would keep milk being produced, thus the biological role of the mother would be unnecessary.

As such, nothing in quaggan society points to them not being mammals outright. The act of eggs or lack of direct mothers breastfeeding doesn’t discount this at all.

That means their appearance was similar to dolphins at some point, not that they are like dolphins. The same goes for the penguins and orca. Otherwise you could as well say they are birds because penguins got mentioned as well.

Actually, the penguin-makes-bird doesn’t work because it was only the color of penguins used as an example.

However, with dolphins and orca, it’s the shape that’s differing. It’s not a heavy standing by any means however! But if you look at them, they certainly look like your typical dolphin or whale… except when they rage. Then they’re more like a mixture of old hags, barracudas, and something with very huge teeth.

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3 faces in Wychmire Swamp

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Looking between the GW2 and GW1 maps, I’m seeing that the area is placed in an area where there were no heads in GW1, so it must have been built between the times. They do look a lot like faces in anguish which leads me to believe Nightmare Court.

Not necessarily so – it could just be a retcon. Keep in mind that the “heads in the stone” designs seen throughout the Tarnished Coast in GW1 were newer than Prophecies, and a lot of “ancient” things were added to GW1 areas that didn’t exist in GW1 (for instance, the Grendich Aquaducts).

Those heads look rather ancient, and guildies of mine speculated possibly being remnants of the Age of Giants – others suspecting ties to the Druids. I’m not really sure where to stand, but I do like the idea of them being petrified giant treants (their faces look a tad bit like mosshearts’ to me).

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Origin of The Pale Tree

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It’s said that the Nightmare Court are still seeing the Elder Dragons as threat that need to be eliminated – they just disagree with the means and methods to do so, along with the entire sylvari way of life. Or at least, they did initially.

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