Guild Wars 2

Dante.1508:

Actually if anyone is talking Rubbish it’d be you, World of Warcraft the worlds first MMORPG!!!! what are you smoking? or how old are you?

Because i was playing multiple MMORPG’s long before WoW raised it’s ugly head, I was actually enjoying Anarchy Online when WoW was opened, i thought WoW was bad then and i still do now, WoW was just a copy of a few others at the time, as with everything Blizzard make they copy everyone elses ideas…

Another one with reading comprehension problems…
“World first” as in “the most popular, with the biggest player base”. I know it’s not the first MMO, I was playing UO beta 17+ years ago…
Djokovic is the “world first” tennis player, that doesn’t mean he is the first person to ever play tennis.
English lesson over.

Araziel.7201:

Korrigan.4837:

Araziel.7201:

But you do care about opinion. It was yours that was expressed so vehemently that started the discussion. It was a comparison of opinion, and the percentage of players that expressed theirs was much more favorable than yours.

You don’t make any sense anymore now. What I said is not an opinion, it’s facts. You can’t pretend some flawed statistic source is somehow right, and that’s not an opinion. Even if you stomp your feet pretending the white horse in the field is black for weeks, the horse remains white.

What did you say that was fact? This whole conversation about Darkfall being garbage started over your opinion of it. Then me disagreeing somewhat because I felt it was a niche game that deserved a little more do than that. I simply showed you some other opinions on it. I never said they were fact. Opinions aren’t facts.

I don’t think Darkfall is better than GW2. I’m pretty sure I alluded to that a couple of times. I definitely wasn’t comparing it’s popularity or commercial value to any of the larger themepark MMOs. Those two things don’t make an MMO great either though.

This is just a difference of opinion, and I’ll leave you to yours.

There’s no opinions at stake here, only production value and quality. If you argue that amateur stuff like Darkfall is even remotely close to GW2’s production quality and value, then you don’t have any kind of credibility. That’s not opinion… yeah, you’re going to have to accept that, in the world, some things are not opinions, but hard, cold facts.
Just like, you know… 10 is more than 5. Your opinion may be that 5 is more than 10, yet you are wrong.

Araziel.7201:

But you do care about opinion. It was yours that was expressed so vehemently that started the discussion. It was a comparison of opinion, and the percentage of players that expressed theirs was much more favorable than yours.

You don’t make any sense anymore now. What I said is not an opinion, it’s facts. You can’t pretend some flawed statistic source is somehow right, and that’s not an opinion. Even if you stomp your feet pretending the white horse in the field is black for weeks, the horse remains white.

Araziel.7201:

Korrigan.4837:

Araziel.7201:

Korrigan.4837:

Araziel.7201:

Why did you say WoW was the first MMORPG?

There must be a reading comprehension problem on your side here. I never said that. I said it was the “world’s first”, as in “the most popular”, or also “the game with the most players”.
You know, just like “Novak Djokovic” is the world’s first tennis player. It doesn’t mean he was the first person in the world to play tennis.

Araziel.7201:

Most people that have played the game and took the time to rank it have a favorable view of it.

And those who didn’t play it or didn’t like it didn’t bother going on that site to vote negatively because they have better things to do, like playing games they enjoy.

I guess the same could be said for the other games on the list? Or just that one?

Of course. That list is totally worthless, for all games, including GW2 (which is ranked number 2). It definitely doesn’t even remotely reflect reality.

Depends on what you’re looking for. If you don’t put much on player opinion and care more about which box sold more I guess it wouldn’t mean much.

I don’t care for player opinion when the stats are obviously biased towards those who like the product. The population voting on those mmorpg.com ratings is definitely not representative of any general tendency. Just look at the amount of voters… some games have 1000+ voters, other barely 200, others not even 100. Talk about worthless data.

Araziel.7201:

Korrigan.4837:

Araziel.7201:

Why did you say WoW was the first MMORPG?

There must be a reading comprehension problem on your side here. I never said that. I said it was the “world’s first”, as in “the most popular”, or also “the game with the most players”.
You know, just like “Novak Djokovic” is the world’s first tennis player. It doesn’t mean he was the first person in the world to play tennis.

Araziel.7201:

Most people that have played the game and took the time to rank it have a favorable view of it.

And those who didn’t play it or didn’t like it didn’t bother going on that site to vote negatively because they have better things to do, like playing games they enjoy.

I guess the same could be said for the other games on the list? Or just that one?

Of course. That list is totally worthless, for all games, including GW2 (which is ranked number 2). It definitely doesn’t even remotely reflect reality.

Araziel.7201:

Why did you say WoW was the first MMORPG?

There must be a reading comprehension problem on your side here. I never said that. I said it was the “world’s first”, as in “the most popular”, or also “the game with the most players”.
You know, just like “Novak Djokovic” is the world’s first tennis player. It doesn’t mean he was the first person in the world to play tennis.

Araziel.7201:

Most people that have played the game and took the time to rank it have a favorable view of it.

And those who didn’t play it or didn’t like it didn’t bother going on that site to vote negatively because they have better things to do, like playing games they enjoy.

Karizee.8076:

Korrigan.4837:

Like it or not, WoW is still the most popular MMORPG of the planet.

WoW would need to gain 12 million subs to even touch Age of Wushu. It never has been the most popular on the planet, never will be.

You deny something all charts confirm… have fun living in your own little bubble of personal truth. And you pretending Wushu has more players than WoW, even nowadays, is just the proof of that.

Araziel.7201:

Korrigan.4837:

the world’s first MMORPG World of Warcraft?

No debating with a guy that thinks that. How long did you say you were around software and development?

25+ years, and also playing MMORPGs since UO early beta 17+ years ago (and MUDs before that, too). I was developing professional graphic software on a Commodore Amiga when most people here didn’t even know personal computers existed.

Like it or not, WoW is still the most popular MMORPG of the planet. You don’t need to like WoW to acknowledge that. It’s just like that movie, Avatar… even if you don’t like the movie, it’s still the highest grossing movie of all times. Your personal opinion doesn’t matter, and neither does mine. Facts are facts, and numbers are numbers.

maddoctor.2738:

Araziel.7201:

Well, I leave you to your opinion then, but most people don’t agree with you in it being trash.
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/show/released/sCol/finalRank/sOrder/desc

Nice try, saying “most” people.

Just ratings don’t mean much. Even so, take a close look at how many ratings those games have, Darkfall has 260 and Guild Wars 2 has 1008. I think it’s fairly obvious who is the winner (by a very long shot) and how much of a difference there is here. I wonder if Darkfall ever had 1000 ratings how high ranked it would’ve been.

Yeah, according to that list, Vanguard, Warhammer and Ryzom beat Guild Wars 2 and World of Warcraft. Very credible. I think ANet and Blizzard laugh at that kind of lists all the way to their bank.
I guess “success” is also the reason why the first game of that list, TSW, went “free to play” shortly after its release…
Seriously…

Hahaha not the mmorpg.com ratings please! You can’t be serious using those as reference for the popularity of a MMORPG. Do you realize that list ranks failed games like Vanguard, Ryzom or Warhammer higher than the world’s first MMORPG World of Warcraft? Talk about a pile of rubbish.

Fenrir.3609:

Korrigan.4837:

Would Darkfail be free to play, with a cash shop, I would be less harsh, but it isn’t… those guys think they can sell their trash the same price than top quality games and then also ask an as high monthly sub as top quality games too.
I don’t slam independent developers for trying to make something new. I slam them for creating overpriced trash which gives a bad name to the whole MMORPG genre.

F2P with a cash shop for a hardcore, pvp centric, FFA, full loot mmo? I think it is fairly obvious why that model would be highly unlikely to work.

And asking a monthly fee as high as AAA quality games isn’t any better. Would they ask no purchase price and something like $10/month, it would sound more reasonable since their game is a pile of bugged trash. Asking as much as a AAA quality game is arrogant and greedy. The OP paid for it… sadly.

Araziel.7201:

I know exactly what production quality is as well as production value. They are independent developers doing things on far less of a budget. A niche game that you don’t like. Regardless of your opinion on it they are doing fairly well with what they have and are competing with the current top MMOs.

I don’t like Darkfall myself, but just hate seeing people slam independent developers into the ground for trying to create something other than the usual copy paste MMOs.

Sorry, but being an indy developer doesn’t excuse the production of overpriced trash. There are indy devs who produce quality games… and thankfully many are rewarded for it. One good example would be Minecraft. But there are others, like aventurine (the Darkfail developers), who produce trash and ask more money for it than what AAA developers ask for their high quality games. They are obviously trying to milk unsuspecting buyers who indeed are attracted by “something different”… but sadly, being different doesn’t always mean quality. Would Darkfail be free to play, with a cash shop, I would be less harsh, but it isn’t… those guys think they can sell their trash the same price than top quality games and then also ask an as high monthly sub as top quality games too.

I don’t slam independent developers for trying to make something new. I slam them for creating overpriced trash which gives a bad name to the whole MMORPG genre.

It’s also amusing that you think that “they are doing fairly well with what they have and are competing with the current top MMOs”. Thankfully, that’s not even remotely close to be true. To be competing with the current top MMOs, they would need at least a 10x bigger player base, and that’s just to appear at the bottom of the list.

EQ is definitely not a copy of UO. UO was fully skill based (you design your character as you want to), while EQ is class/level based. UO is a sandbox, EQ invented the raid grind “endgame”.
And yes, GW2 is closer to games like UO or also Asheron’s Call 1 than to EQ, and that’s why I enjoy it so much. After 8 years of EQ/WoW clones, finally a top developer dares to do something different in a AAA quality MMORPG. Just for that, ANet deserves the money I give them.

Araziel.7201:

Korrigan.4837:

Araziel.7201:

Korrigan.4837:

Comparing Darkfall with GW2 is a bit like comparing the bottom of the trash container of a fast food with the best dish of a gourmet restaurant… the first is a pile of junk made by amateurs, and the second is a quality product made by top notch professionals.

So true. One is definitely like a fast food restaurant. Fast,easy, cheap garbage food and they give you a happy meal toy too. They even have funny mascots similar to Hamburglar, Grimace, Ronald McDonald and Sundae his dog, and Birdie the Early bird.

Nice attempt at being smart, but quite silly too and a total failure at the end. Have you ever played Darkfall or its sequel?
The software is a pile of bugged junk, the game is a gankfest without any content. Comparing it to quality games like GW2, but also to any other AAA MMORPG (recent or older ones), is hilarious. You don’t compare a Traban with a Ferrari and pretend the Traban is better quality unless you want to be laughed at.

The only outrageously laughable comparison here is the one you made for GW2 being comparable to a gourmet restaurant or a Ferrari. Absolutely hilarious.

Darkfall may be a Tijuana taco stand, but GW2 is still a fast food restaurant.

You obviously have no clue about what production quality is. I’m not talking as a GW2 player, but as a software engineer myself for the last 25 years. GW2, but also WoW and many other games are definitely Ferrari quality software pieces compared to junk like Darkfall… or shall I say Darkfail.
Just compare EvE online to Darkfall then… both being supposed sandboxes (supposed for Darkfail, it’s more a gankfest than a sandbox) with a heavy PvP part. The difference of quality is huge. One (Darkfail) is a pile of crap made by amateurs, the other (EvE) is top quality software made by professionals.
EvE, GW2, WoW, etc… are in a totally different league than crap like Darkfail, in every aspect, be it technical, artistic or content wise.
So the OP not being happy with Darkfail isn’t really a surprise to me.

You may want to ask why I’m so negative about Darkfail… well, simple, those guys are trying to sell a pile of junk ($40) with a monthly subscription fee ($15) when you have 100% free to play games which have a hugely better production quality. This disgusts me not only as a professional, but also as a video game player.

Araziel.7201:

Korrigan.4837:

Comparing Darkfall with GW2 is a bit like comparing the bottom of the trash container of a fast food with the best dish of a gourmet restaurant… the first is a pile of junk made by amateurs, and the second is a quality product made by top notch professionals.

So true. One is definitely like a fast food restaurant. Fast,easy, cheap garbage food and they give you a happy meal toy too. They even have funny mascots similar to Hamburglar, Grimace, Ronald McDonald and Sundae his dog, and Birdie the Early bird.

Nice attempt at being smart, but quite silly too and a total failure at the end. Have you ever played Darkfall or its sequel?
The software is a pile of bugged junk, the game is a gankfest without any content. Comparing it to quality games like GW2, but also to any other AAA MMORPG (recent or older ones), is hilarious. You don’t compare a Traban with a Ferrari and pretend the Traban is better quality unless you want to be laughed at.

Comparing Darkfall with GW2 is a bit like comparing the bottom of the trash container of a fast food with the best dish of a gourmet restaurant… the first is a pile of junk made by amateurs, and the second is a quality product made by top notch professionals.

If you get insults whispered, report the people, and they will get a nice ban in return.

The big problem with that commander icon is that it’s not earned nor deserved. You don’t suddenly become a good commander because you spend 100 gold on a book. There are people who are better at leading than most commanders and who don’t have the commander icon. I personally have no respect for people with the icon just because they have it, I only respect those who show their leadership talent on the field, no matter if they are commanders or not. Actions speak louder than money. I would never ever insult someone for having the icon though, if the person is bad, I will just add him/her to my ignore list.

kensclark.2318:

As we all know, Guild Wars 2 runs on one single thread.

You know nothing, Jon Snow…

By the way, if you want to see how many threads GW2 uses, just look in the task manager of windows. Right now I have 48 (yes, forty eight) threads running for the GW2 client just standing there in Lion’s Arch.

So please replace “As we all know” with “As those who know nothing assume”, thanks.

Even if his story is odd and flawed, and maybe a lie, I think it’s only fair that only a majority can decide to kick a group member.
That’s how democracy works, and as “some famous guy” said:
“Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.”

Even though I rarely do pickup groups and mostly stick to guild groups where this isn’t a problem, I agree that a MAJORITY (aka 3, and not 2) votes should be required to kick someone.

Annesse.1398:

All the “New” (sic) content is just the usual MMO Grind.
Go light 50 Effigies…….Go bash 300 Pinatas…..Go kill 300 this or that……..
Come on Anet don’t fall into that stupid trap like all the other MMO’s
Give us something that the other games don’t………. meaningful content that stays longer than 2 -4 weeks.
This game once you have done the basics is becoming a GRIND FEST

Just a hint… you don’t have to do neither the pinata nor the effigies to get the final reward of the meta achievement. Both are optional for those people who actually enjoy a more “grindy” way of playing.

Another “the grass is greener on the other side” thread from people who obviously never played a warrior higher than the starter areas…
When does the nerf to thieves in WvW come then?

Anyway, I thought that “nerf that class” threads were forbidden on this forum…

AlietteFaye.7316:

Player Character.9467:

tigirius.9014:

Player Character.9467:

DPS thieves and elementalists can easily take a spot or 2 without lowering the party dps at all. Go look at DPS ele builds and DPS thief w/Sbow + warrior Lbow F1. Also three warriors brings 9 might, you might want to check your math on 3×3 again.

Warriors having the highest survivability… that’s a joke right? Ignoring the fact that necros have the highest health pool in the game, have you seen what you can do with rangers, guardians, and d/d eles? Warriors do have low survivability compared to the other classes, you’re getting caught up on hp and armor values which mean nothing in a sustained fight.

It’s no joke in PVE. It’s not just the health pool in PVE armor class actually matters. The better the armor the better the defense.

I do believe you are mixing PVP and PVE because in PVE they run thru everything like a truck. That’s not normal or typical of how the other classes play.

Protection – 33% damage reduction, not available in a warrior’s skill set.
Chill – Skill cooldowns increased 66%, not available in a warrior’s skill set.
Blind – Next attack misses, only 1 skill in a warrior’s set, on the longbow.
POOF armor difference more than gone.

And that’s not even considering comparisons with how other classes can handle conditions (which ignore armor) or their relative healing capabilities at the same healing power or their comparable invuln/blocks.

Protection, I’ll give you.

The other two don’t matter in PvE.

Are we playing the same game?

ilr.9675:

NO

Dungeons are already too face-rolley with full Exotics.
The only condition I’d be okay with, is if there was no “Berseker” Stats even possible.
Either that or Anet need to rework their stinkin’ “End game” so that there’s more than 1 ‘best way to play it’…. got so sick of that crap back when everything came down to Ursanway and Terrraway & BUH. You’d think they would have learned by now…

Find yourself a good guild like mine. Nobody in TFA “snobs” people who don’t have the “perfect build”, yet we tackle every dungeon including Arah and Fractals. My own main is a “tankish” warrior, I don’t even own berzerker gear, because I don’t let others dictate how I play the games I pay for.

@Jaall:
Yes, you are right, but as long as any content requiring ascended works like fractals, and the first 10 “ranks” do not require any ascended gear to complete, PvE wise it would be acceptable for me. I’m not interested in a grind but I want to experience all the content ANet released and not be locked out of some by a gear grind. I pay like 20€ per month worth of gems, if I start getting locked out of content I will stop paying.

But then there’s also World vs World… and the more ascended pieces they add to the game, the more overpowered the “haves” become compared to the “have not”. And that is not acceptable, WvW already has it’s own, balanced progression system, and doesn’t need a gear grind that permits the “bads” to become “good” thanks to better stats because they have no life and can grind in a video game for 8+ hours every day. Leave this to WoW and its clones, and keep this out of this game… and definitely keep this out of this game’s PvP.

Oh, and another sad byproduct of gear grinds…

What I don’t want to happen in GW2 is me going AFK for a month, because of work, holidays or whatever else, and come back only to be so far behind gear wise that I need to grind old content for weeks before I can catch up.

That’s what’s so nice with GW2 compared to all those pointless grinders… I can go AFK for a while and be sure my character’s gear won’t be obsolete when I come back.

GW2 is a game for people with a life outside of MMORPGs, and like it or not, those people, those who some call “casuals”, are now the vast majority.

At the end of the day, do I want more permanent and challenging content in the game? Yes, and I think we all do. But that does NOT require a gear grind. Definitely not.

ProtoGunner.4953:

There was one quote on the 1st page, that really annoys me. Represents the casual, I-want-it-all-but-don’t-like-to-work-for-it-attitude:
Not really. I just want new armor skins. I don’t feel like treadmilling I just wanna collect.

Why do you play games then anyway? Don’t you want a feel of achievement?

You know this is a video game, right? Achievement means nothing, it’s all virtual. At the end of the day, your gear with superior stats isn’t worth more than the cosmetic gear you can get in GW2.
I play games for fun and challenge, I don’t give a “kitten” about gear and the related grind. I don’t need an ever elusive “carrot” to chase in video games I enjoy, I’m not a hamster on a treadmill but a human being playing a game. Even when I was raiding “hardcore” in WoW (4+ nights a week for 3+ hours, in the server first guild), I was only doing it for fun, gear was sadly a necessary evil but only a tool, not my goal. My goal was to beat the content, possibly before the others. That’s why I had no problems to stop raiding once it got old, because I wasn’t a slave of the gear grind like so many in my guild were.

No, we don’t need more gear grinding in this game. People who want that kind of stuff already have all the other “theme park” MMORPGs on the market to play.
I’d rather have the developers work on expanding the world and the story.

juno.1840:

Korrigan.4837:

…There’s some things like housing and mounts that I hope to see in GW2 someday, but other things like raiding that would make me quit immediately.

Seriously?

Raiding would make you quit because?!?!?!?

I’m surprised you play GW2 at all tbh… I mean there must be at least one thing in GW2 you don’t like… yet you still play?

Because raiding means gear grind, means the best gear will come from that content, and GW2 doesn’t need that.
Raiding isn’t just adding 10 or 25 man content to the game, it’s all the consequences of that which would completely ruin GW2 and turn it into just another bad WoW clone like Rift.
And raiding also brings in a kind of elitist player base that I rather not see in GW2. I know what I’m talking about, I’ve been raiding up to hardcore for 8 years in WoW.
If I want raids, I’ll reactivate my two WoW accounts and go for it. I play GW2 and enjoy it so much because it’s different.

If GW2 was anything like Rift, I know I would NOT be playing it, and even less giving 20€ or more worth of gems per month to the developers.
There’s some things like housing and mounts that I hope to see in GW2 someday, but other things like raiding that would make me quit immediately.

I agree on the molten foundry, but the Super Adventure Box is meant to be a seasonal event, just like xmas, halloween, etc…, but for for April fools. So it will be back next April

Zelyhn.8069:

I don’t believe morals change according to the situation.

No offense meant, but this is a quite naive belief.
Morals tend to magically fade away for many individuals as soon as there can be a profit for them.

dagrdagaz.4913:

What makes the Queensdale JP not so easy (at lower char lvls at least) are the oozes and vet oozes at the end.

The oozes can be bypassed. Just run behind the chest, and log out to the character selection and back in to get rid of agro.

Or alternatively, more “legit”, just pop an Ash Legion Spy Kit.

Using the Krytan Bow skin on my warrior – I’m not into fluffy stuff with sparkles and feathers everywhere.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Krytan_Bow

Tisler.6297:

Only 1/6 of 3 millions copes still in the game, but based on gw1 population base 500k players is ok for anet.

Source? Where did you get those numbers? Or is this just another guess?

Southsun near the portal. 30s to complete.

stayBlind.7849:

GW2 is a WoW clone without the trinity.

Biggest stupidity written on this forum lately. Have you even played WoW to say such things? Because I have, for 8 years, with several years of hardcore raiding, and therefore when someone calls GW2 a “WoW clone”, I can only laugh about how stupid and ignorant that is.

GW2 is the antithesis of WoW in the theme park MMORPG genre. And that’s why so many players enjoy it. Because for the first time in 8+ years, an AAA quality MMO developer dared to try something different.

Mirta.5029:

If you really own the newest most expensive graphics card you really should not be impressed by console graphics. Just compare Crysis 3 on PC and PS3.

Even more simple… just compare Skyrim on PS3 and on a PC, even with an older graphic card.

It’s not because you lie as well as the person you defend that the lies are suddenly truths. Smart to keep my post’s quote out of your post, so readers don’t see what you are answering to.
You don’t make any sense. It almost looks like you don’t even play this game considering the amount of nonsense you put in your post.
See my previous post for all necessary rebuttals.

Zacchary.6183:

Last night in Kaineng, my friends (ele and engi) and I were messing around in Greenbriar when, for 30 minutes straight, a Thief was harassing every caravan going to it. Third harass attempt I caught him in the distance and told my friends about it. So we waited.

This pretty much was the encounter from there:

1. Prepped “behind me” (queue) in chat.
2. Place Tripwire behind Yak.
3. Thief trips it less than a second later.
4. Said queue when trap disappeared.
5. Friends run through me and start using improvised AoE.
6. Thief appears and starts attacking us.
7. At 30% hp, the Thief pops shadow refuge (which we all saw the refuge).
8. All three coordinate a debilitating attack on the Refuge: Ele uses Frozen Ground. Engi uses Glue Shot. I used Caltrops.
9. Thief ran out too early at 20% HP and appeared seconds later with Cripple.
10. I spam Dancing Dagger to keep his butt crippled while my friends kill him.

It was glorious and the best part was he stuck with the zerg afterwards.

tl;dr ==> l2p

So basically, you needed 3 people to kill a single opponent?
Yeah, indeed, L2P…
Just like in any other MMO with PvP, the stealth classe(s) is(are) overpowered and need adjustments (nerfs).

pricer.5091:

Vayne.8563:

I’m betting Wildstar with have a MUCH smaller affect on the Guild Wars 2 population than most people think. Why? Because they think that most people are hard core, while I believe most people are more casual.

I guess we’ll see soon enough.

I’m betting it will be a massive flop. Its basically a cartoon that looks like something from Earthworm Jim nearly 20 years ago. I hated it on sight.

Same bet here. Another one which tries to imitate WoW “hardcore” and which will fail because even with all the negative changes over year, Blizzard still does it better and also has a loyal player base that won’t move to games like Wildstar.

bullettohead.9715:

Korrigan.4837:

mjharrison.3209:

• The core combat mechanics are bad/overly simplified.
• Auto-attacking is sufficient to easily get through 99% of the content.
• Skills are very generic. No choice in skills.
• Most traits are ineffectual and barely change anything.
• The AI is terrible.

When people have to resort to lies like these to bash a game, you know the game is good.

GW2 is not perfect, it has issues, but those listed in that post aren’t part of them.

Absolutely none of those are lies. At all. Don’t try and defend yourself by just saying “yeah well he’s a liar” without any actual substance to your argument.

Amusingly, you do exactly the thing you pretend I was doing. Ironic, isn’t it?

• The core combat mechanics are bad/overly simplified.
  This is obviously the opinion of a person you didn’t understand the GW2 combat mechanics, or someone who thinks having a “trinity” is deeply complex.

• Auto-attacking is sufficient to easily get through 99% of the content.
  This is just plain wrong, an obvious lie, anyone playing the game knows that.

• Skills are very generic. No choice in skills.
  This is plain wrong too. Each weapon setup has 5 different skills, and the choice of slot skills is huge for each class. Each class also has at least one skill, most classes several, that adds 5 totally different weapon skills, be is morphing the character into something else, or stuff like grenades.

• Most traits are ineffectual and barely change anything.
  Another plain lie, anyone playing the game knows it. Changing traits also completely changes the way you play and the weapons to use.

• The AI is terrible.
  Is it? Please list me MMOs with better AI, please. And I don’t mean scripted crap like in WoW clones, where some “boss” mobs always do the same things at the same moment, I mean real AI. Or do you mean the nonsense AI of mobs who can be “taunted” and only hit the character with the best armor and with 5 healers healing him?

As I said, all the points are, at best flawed opinion of someone who thinks GW2 should be another trinity based WoW clone, at worse just plain lies to bash the game.

mjharrison.3209:

• The core combat mechanics are bad/overly simplified.
• Auto-attacking is sufficient to easily get through 99% of the content.
• Skills are very generic. No choice in skills.
• Most traits are ineffectual and barely change anything.
• The AI is terrible.

When people have to resort to lies like these to bash a game, you know the game is good.

GW2 is not perfect, it has issues, but those listed in that post aren’t part of them.

JubeiTM.5763:

Korrigan.4837:

Player Character.9467:

So remove most of the purpose of a fall dmg reduction trait? and as a gem store item would result in a gem store item providing a significant advantage? o.O

Two things:
1) Ever heard about something called a “cooldown”? The parachute would only be usable once in a while.
2) It would of course be forbidden of use in PvP and WvW.

What if the Parachute would cost quite a lot. And players would use it to go directly from hills into enemy castles? That would spice things up.

VERY bad idea. Just get a messmer in and then take castles without even breaching the walls.

Most people only post on forums because they are not happy. So there’s a small minority making a lot of noise on the forums.

Player Character.9467:

So remove most of the purpose of a fall dmg reduction trait? and as a gem store item would result in a gem store item providing a significant advantage? o.O

Two things:
1) Ever heard about something called a “cooldown”? The parachute would only be usable once in a while.
2) It would of course be forbidden of use in PvP and WvW.

Webba.3071:

Korrigan.4837:

Webba.3071:

Average mf* of all party members = sum of party members mf / number of party members. Would encourage grouping and solve the question of mf in dungeons in one go.

*magic find

I don’t think it would solve anything. It would actually make some “leech” other’s magic find and reduce the overall magic find of the whole group. Do you really think people using magic find gear would accept theirs to be reduced to an “average” because some people don’t have any?

If they wanted to help their friends, sure they would. Also it wouldnt reduce the overall magic find, it would spread it out over the group. If you want you could add a 10% bonus to it for grouping as well. eg sum of player mf / number of players + 10% if you must have some benefit. You miss the point also that people who use mf while in groups are essentially leeching character power from the other group members, you dont think its fair that the other group members should leech their mf? Leeching is a biased word though, call it sharing and it sounds much nicer.

I guess my point is that as far as mf is concerned at the moment their is a disincentive to party up because some are getting more benefit than others depending on each invidivuals mf. If the mf is averaged over the whole group than the whole group benefits according to their overal mf / power compromise.

That may work for guild groups, Webba, but for random groups, I don’t think so. And for people playing in the world with full MF gear, it would actually have the opposite effect – it would discourage them even more of grouping. Why would they accept to lower their magic find for total stranger?
As I said, I’ve been playing those games for a long time. If the average MMORPG player was willing to “share” something, reducing his own efficiency, without anything to gain for him, it would be known.
I see your point, your intention is definitely good and praise worthy (and the OP’s intention too, by the way, despite what he seems to think, I have nothing personal against him, I just critic his ideas), but I seriously doubt it will achieve the goal you want it to :-)

Webba.3071:

Average mf* of all party members = sum of party members mf / number of party members. Would encourage grouping and solve the question of mf in dungeons in one go.

*magic find

I don’t think it would solve anything. It would actually make some “leech” other’s magic find and reduce the overall magic find of the whole group. Do you really think people using magic find gear would accept theirs to be reduced to an “average” because some people don’t have any?

Tuluum.9638:

I would strongly suggest though, to those who really are looking for challenge and not emotional ROI, that this can be created for yourself in a myriad of ways.

Good point.

For instance, I made it to 80 on a character with 0 deaths, and also without using the auction house, any crafting (crafting gives easy XP, would be “cheating”), or any crafted item, only self reliant using drops and karma items. The idea came from a guildie based on “Iron Man”.
That’s an interesting challenge. Try it. If you die, you must delete the character and start over at level 1.

You calling me “little guy” is highly ironic, not only because I’m most likely older than you, but also because it’s you who spends pointless posts insulting me instead of answering my points.

I will repost a paragraph you have possibly missed just to be sure you read it:

“You mention a “small bonus to stats or XP when grouping”. Well, in theory, it sounds like a brilliant idea, but only in theory. If you make the bonus too small, no one will bother, since the gain is not worth the hassle. And if you make it big enough, it will become the best way to level, and therefore it will become “forced grouping”, aka grouping with people for your personal benefit.”

Reply to this instead of insulting me, for a change. Do you really think people will suddenly start to form groups out there just for a “small stat/xp bonus”? I don’t. I think the bonus would have to be big enough to be worth the hassle of finding 4 other people. Most people won’t even bother unless the bonus is big enough to make a noticeable difference, and then it starts to become the “best way” to do it, aka “forced”.

Araris.7839:

@Korrigan
I’m glad you’ve had such a positive experience with the community in GW2, however, you appear to be the minority. Most people have noticed the issue that is being spoken of in this thread.

Source of your data? Do you have numbers proving that “most people” have noticed the supposed “issue”, or are you just basing this on your personal opinion?

Araris.7839:

Not being in a group, not having to actually play with others, has impacted the community, whether you want to see it or not.

It’s not about wanting. You opinion is that the impact is negative, mine is that it’s positive, and by not forcing people to interact but giving them the choice, it also create stronger bonds. Who is most likely to become a “true friend”, someone who came to you spontaneously or someone who was forced to by the game if he wanted to maximize “something” (stats, xp, leveling speed, gear, etc…)? Sorry if I don’t believe in forced socialization.

Araris.7839:

I’m not really sure what it is you hope to gain here? Do small group perks hurt you in some way? In what way, would a feature that would benefit some (if not all) players, by facilitating more communication between them, hurt you?

I hope to gain that the game remains as it is, and doesn’t introduce strongly encouraged aka forced “pre-made” grouping for the non-dungeon content.

Araris.7839:

Simply put, why would you bother trolling over here to voice opposition to a feature that only benefits players and the community?

So disagreeing with you is “trolling”. Ok. I doubt the moderators agree though.

juno.1840:

I like the idea of “game metrics” in GW2. This includes many metrics like:

- DPS
- Damage Taken
- Self Healing
- Group Healing
- Damage Avoided

I’m sure people can add more to that list. While no set of metrics will perfectly address “am I a skilled player?” having metrics are important for self improvement.

Self improvement should be something everyone strives for (not just in-game). Metrics provide a mechanism to do such a thing.

Then we could have awesome arguments around data rather than opinions of how great we are (or are not).

That suggestion is actually just as bad as adding “gearscore” to this game.
GW2 is almost free of “dungeon elitism” (except the occasional “zerker warrior” group for CoF path 1), please don’t add systems that will increase that kind of behavior.
GW2 doesn’t need that kind of crap. Those addicted to all kind of meters already have a ton of MMORPGs to play, keep this one free of them.
(this comes from a hardcore raider in WoW, by the way)

@Araris:
Not being in a group doesn’t stop you from interacting with the other people around you during an event. The only difference is that the game doesn’t force you to, and apparently, some people can’t interact with others if they aren’t forced by game mechanics. I’ve a friend list full of people I’ve met “on the field” in GW2.

You mention a “small bonus to stats or XP when grouping”. Well, in theory, it sounds like a brilliant idea, but only in theory. If you make the bonus too small, no one will bother, since the gain is not worth the hassle. And if you make it big enough, it will become the best way to level, and therefore it will become “forced grouping”, aka grouping with people for your personal benefit.

And I’ve been playing MMORPGs since UO beta, 17+ years ago, and I’ve played all the mainstream ones since then (and many smaller ones too), and I was played MUDs (Multi-User Dungeons) before that… so please don’t assume I’m some sort of newbie who never saw a “real community”, thank you very much. Some of the best communities I saw were in Ultima Online and Asheron’s Call, two games were grouping was totally optional. And GW2 is also one of the best community in the genre, everyone is helpful and friendly, you rarely see bad behavior even in general chat. And amusingly, some of the worse, most selfish and elitist communities I’ve seen were in games with forced grouping, where “friendship” was all about finding some canon fodder to fill raid spots so one can get his purple gear.