I believe the guilds that won’t even try is because they know better and expect to be wiped.
Regarding Foo, it is obvious they didn’t even expected the outcome or they might have not accepted, as soon the ball was already rolling it would have been hard for them to honorably back away from these fights even if they wanted.I work really early hours (4am est) so on the weekends I get to see FoO in action often and I can say, without reservation, they are more than a zerg. Yes, they have huge numbers. Yes, as any large guild of that size, skill level varies. Same as in any large western guild.
However, when it comes to discipline and organization, sheer points producing potential, I think they kick NA’s butt. When’s the last time you saw a group from NA do sentry duty at a camp? Sure maybe a person will watch a door, maybe player will patrol a yaks route. FoO will set up a 5 man in every camp with a response team ready to be there in 30 seconds. Heck they even have a sentry or two on each yak. Basically, a solo hunter like me can’t do jack but gank the occasional solo on their way to doing something productive and responsible. Basically, they’re an army and we’re just roaming barbarians. Any NA guild could learn a thing or two. Sure, in a wild fight we beat em.. But I think taking a keep from them would be miserable.
What they do, standing bored at an objective, takes pride. They ENJOY it, because it’s winning. And I do believe that pride would also require them to keep coming back, even if they lose, until they do beat us.
I guess we’ll find out Sunday, eh?
Excellent post. Yes this is exactly what happens. I am EU and often play with Foo when I have a day off. The army/barbarian analogy is very apt. I have seen Waha personally escort yaks to get a waypoint in double quick time many times. I would also add that I think this also partly extends to JQ’s other coverage zones as well. I play NA and EU as well often and those timezones have groups that do the same stuff although not always with Foo’s zeal. Alot of these sorts of activities gain no wxp but it gets done anyway.
Right now these tactics are one of the major reasons JQ is winning. Sure we make full use of our stronger timezones and appear to have some better numbers at times as well but we defend and upgrade our stuff better than the other two servers and so hold onto to points for longer. Each timezone tries to hand off something for the previous timezone to work with.
We don’t spend all our time running in megazoids chasing world xp and creating paper that others then exploit. Ok, yes some of us do
FOO is really the only skilled guild on JQ.
That’s not true at all, there are many “skilled guilds” on JQ and anyone that says otherwise obviously hasn’t played WvW enough. If these unskilled guilds on JQ are able to beat SoR’s NA primetime, then that show’s exactly the kind of skill the guilds in SoR have.
I am going to have to re-evaluate my opinion of your online persona Vodka, be careful now I will be giving you a gold star next
Thank you for the balanced post.
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He said they can put up a ‘decent’ fight. Come on. They kick most people’s butts. It’s like saying. TW is a decent sized guild. It’s disingenuous. Be fair about things for once.
I am confused. Do you mean that you believe TW is a big guild or a small one?
Decent sized.
Is your definition of decent sized the same as mine?
Slap them on the table and lets find out.
I see this thread has not improved with age. Full of kittens. Jed’s post is quite good though
If I was a mod I would be infacting that post by that dude with the spoofed moderator tag though as he is clearly mentioning words that are outside of the rules…
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Actually FoO and TKG are related.
Flakes of TKG is in a relationship with Loktar of FoO, and possibly others as well. It’s well documented. The heir they produce is prophesied to lead JQ’s SEA armies to world domination.
The JQ Community fosters such intermarriage amongst guilds for greater cohesion and bro-love to increase our strength in wvw.
We are entertaining an offer from SoR that would marry Indo to Glorious Stei for a cessation of hostilities and a continued 2v1 on BG. But since SoR has payed thousands of gold for new guilds to move to their server recently, we are afraid they might be light on the dowry.
Mance, this is a classic
your excellent content
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Super post, I appreciate genius when I see it. I think you have truly captured all the key points that these T1 threads contain. Certainly gave me a good chuckle
Enjoyed the fights this weekend. Many thanks to both opponents. Played mostly on SoR BL, some great encounters. Last nights (my time) fight in Hills was a lot of fun. You SoR folks were dug into that lords room like ticks and it was clear we were not going to cap it without more supply which we didn’t have At that point, a retreat of sorts seemed like the best option.
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Awesome fights this week, thank you too all our opponents for making some great post culling fights. Seeing that sea of folks has been quite something.
Just had an amusing fight at Titan on JQ BL. SoR came in with 50 and we have around 10 guarding. We kept the ring up, then BG came in with 50 while I was lying in the ring Pretty fun fights ensued, and I got a ringside seat while calling intel. BG ran off and SoR flipped it and then our numbers arrived to take it back and kill the SoR stragglers. Was alot of fun.
Good luck to all three this coming week. May the bags (and wxp) be plentiful for all.
Actually what you said is completely untrue, it was mentioned in last weeks forums… & you asked how do we control our servers media output? As you can see we don’t have as many forum warriors as you or SoR do. Blackgate has a more mature community & doesn’t really spend time or care much at all about what our enemies think about us.
Yup, I heard that the 2v1 brigade had girl scout cookies… I’d definitely join up with that in a heart beat.
Also, if Riot does decide to move I’d completely respect their decision & whatever reason they have for doing so. Anyone would be lucky to have a guild like that in their server
Prove it. Give me a link from last weeks T1 thread that mentions BG having a flame ram problem. Also, you stated in this thread earlier that the difference between JQ and BG was that JQ mentioned their ram issue and BG didn’t. So which is it to be? You can’t have both. Honestly, you are priceless. You even tie yourself up in verbal knots and so save me the trouble of making your head spin.
With regard to forum warriors. Well a quick post count in this thread puts you out there as one of the most frequent. So again, which is it to be?
I have not said one bad thing against BG. I am sure they have a great community. I certainly enjoy fighting them and they have the best score updater by a country mile.
My post is directed squarely at you. You do seem to care about what your enemies think about you given your post history. Quick, go and make some frantic edits now….
I also respect any guild and their server choice. They do what is best for their members.
Now, what else do you have to come back with or are you all spent?
Score update brought to you by Feisty (working on my tan before reset):
Feisty, you are quality
I heard Riot were moving to a medium pop server as well.
I hadn’t heard that. And we just finished all these stupid upgrades.
Not that I’d necessarily be against it, I’m getting a little bored of the constant mega zerging.
Sounds like my source is bad then Thanks for clarifying. Agree with you regarding the zergs, much worse since the most recent patch.
I find it quite ironic that BG continues to complain about 2v1. After the game patched JQ and BG both did a mad dash at Hills and Bay. JQ then attacked full force into SoR Garrison, and during that time, BG then takes the time to attempt to take bay.
As a result, while BG flipped bay SoR’s zerg made it into inner and wiped the BG and took bay. While that was happening, JQ took hills likely as retaliation.
There is no 2v1, and when it was BG and JQ “2v1ing” against SoR, BG decided to attack JQ when they could have taken SoR (the PPT leader) out of taking much on their BL and being forced to only defend.
If you continuously annoy someone, they’re eventually going to punch you in the face.
The truth hurts, SoR knows they can’t beat JQ but has a better chance at not being 3rd & JQ knows that SoR is not a threat to dethroning them.
Which puts Blackgate in a pickle. We have the potential to dethrone JQ from the top spot & SoR really wants to put a win in the 13-0 record we hold against them.
I’m not surprised even if there is a 2v1, I know how everyone wants a piece of Blackgate. I mean we have the best looking people on our server with Merc & Riot here. Hahah getting to know some of the new guys that came over has been a great experience; I know for a fact that all of our recent transfers came here to have a challenging match-up in a server that isn’t falling apart & one with an awesome community.
I’d like mention that I’m really flattered by all the attention that I’ve been getting on the battlefield by both SoR and Jade Quarry from just being on this server. Being focused by the 2 best servers in the top North American tier is one hell of an honor. If only we could be able to fight the T1 European servers I’m sure we’d all be able to work together and put them in their place.
Actually, your truth hurts, it hurts my brain when I read such tripe
I see you have now joined the 2vs1 brigade.
No answer on my other post then, how you controlled three servers media output last week so that this mythical sea of rams on BG stuff last week that you said happened never got mentioned once on the forums until you piped up with that gem this week?
I heard Riot were moving to a medium pop server as well.
I know where all the bg players are. They do pve to feed their sabotage troops on JQ which will build sieges in eb and jq bl next match..
Wait, that sentence was almost as ridiculous as the talk about 2v1. Nevermind.
Lol Blackgate is fine with being 2v1’d… Even though it doesn’t look good in points, it has definitely been increasing our WXP rank significantly :P
& sabotage troops???
If BG was “fine” with being 2v1’d wouldn’t they you know not complain about it? This is laughable given how much Jared kincaide complains about 2v1 on the forums. And before anyone asks we totally just all sit on the same TS planning it out. It goes like this : Guys we need to take Valley so SoR you take Durios we will take QL and then we will push Langor and Bravost at the same time and since we took Valley last time you guys can have it we will spawn camp BG! High Five
How much I complain? I seriously posted two times because that night in EBG was absolutely ludicrous. I even posted I understand the 2v1, we all use it. I’m talking about specific coordination, and do not sit there and deny it happens, I know for a FACT several of sor’s guild leaders PM several JQ guild leaders and coordinate attacks.
I am not “complaining about the 2v1 constantly”. I’m pointing out the extremes it has gone to this last week. You guys admit to it, by blaming 10 people who guested to LA. So your not saying I am wrong, your admitting I am right.
The fact is, when SOR and JQ fight each other as well as BG, BG has a chance to take first place if we push. You’ve rectified that mistake this week.
Jared, likewise for you, put down that shovel mate. You do yourself no favours.
No, in that you are correct.
But why don’t you head over to the first page of this thread and take a look at my first post here. Some of us were willing to help you guys out with the ram problem. We didn’t rub it in, or be sore winners. If you actually read what I am saying rather than what you expect a BG player to post, maybe you’d see that.
Its fine, I’ve made my points. All three sides know deep down whats happening on the field this week.
In the event nothing crazy happens, I do congratulate SOR on their victory over BG in points this week. When you guys push you can really push and thats not a joke. You guys worked hard for the points.
Jared, I saw that first post of yours and it just reinforced what a decent chap you are. I have read other posts from you that supported that. Of course who can forget the Feisty games
That is why I suggest you stop talking about being 2vs1 as its not helping you.
Here is the reality. BG got JQ napping last week. The rams issue was a minor annoyance. If we had got our folks out there it would likely have been different althoough it really was a monster push by BG in those last 36 hours so who knows. JQ has decided to focus on BG this week and keep SoR at arms length. Hardly surprising given last week. That does not mean we don’t attack SoR but its 2nd priority. We have also taken on field opportunities to exploit and create 2 vs 1 situations.
Now SoR are smart, they realised what was happening very early on and took their chance. Its WvWvW, there are three sides on every map, it happens, deal with it or not.
There is no double secret plan here between both servers, its just strategy and tactics being played out on the battlefield and folks taking advantage of stuff as it occurs.
JQ and SoR has clashed many times this week as well as BG vs SoR and Bg vs JQ and of course some awesome three way action.
Blackgate won last week. I don’t think they have anything left to prove.
Considering they won during a week where JQ got sabotaged hard I think they have a lot to prove.
Anyway awesome week of fighting guys
I am just happy that SoR has a chance of breaking BG’s undefeated streak against them
Keep up the awesome fights everyone!!
Blackgate got sabotaged harder but we didn’t say anything in the forums about it. Yeah nice job to SoR for beating Blackgates 13-0 streak against them, let’s see if they can do it 12 more times!
Can’t be sabotaged when you lose your keeps and the sieges get destroyed, just saying. Winning ONCE does not prove anything either.
Oh we lost our keeps plenty of times because of sabatoging. I even remember when we let SoR take our T2 Bay so they can kill all the flame rams that a spy built in their. The only difference between JQ and BG from last weeks match is that Blackgate didn’t want to say anything about it on the forums since any excuse for losing is a form of poor sportsmanship. Especially in the first 4 days of last week when we were down by 20k, the last thing we wanted was to make excuses. Blackgate rises above, we keep calm and conquer.
You are kidding right? You managed to control your entire server population to not post any comments or screenshots of your maps apparently full of flame rams and in fact you controlled the two other servers since neither of your opponents mentioned seeing any such thing? Wow, I am impressed that single handedly you controlled the entire media output of both your server and your opponents last week such that was no mention of any blueprint sabatoging.
Or maybe you have just drunk rather too much of yourself…….
If I were you I would stop digging that hole for yourself and your guilds reputation. Put down that shovel.
See if you can join a WvW guild or at least a PvX one that spends time there. If you are already in a PvE guild then ask if you can rep your new WvW one when in WvW. Being in a WvW guild will help you alot with finding a party, finding commanders to follow etc and they will look after you and explain things etc (I hope )
Its great that you have decided to try out WvW. Do you mind me asking why this latest patch has given you a reason to do so? Is it that culling is now a thing of the past or some other reason?
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The removal of culling confirmed what I already knew, people are actually roaming borderlands with 50-70 people ikittenergball, how is this even fun or challenging?
This game is all about the full map zerg balls and world exp rewards this style of play. Not to mention the skill lag. Zergball Lag Wars 2. Time to move on….
We just had well over 100 BG in our garry in JQ BL A metric ton of them.
time to sort out that new computer then…..
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You know rams have there own cap, troll rams hurt the local cap but not the map cap.
That is completely inaccurate. Rams count towards the total Siege cap. If someone places enough rams you can’t even place an arrow cart to defend. It’s not that hard to siege cap a map either. The only thing that doesn’t count toward that cap is Golems.
This could all change on the 26th since they are changing the timer on siege.
According to this post https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Willing-to-share-WvW-details/first#post1190009 there is one cap for rams and another cap for everything else, which would make you completely inaccurate and Shinji correct. I haven’t seen anything released from Anet since then stating if has changed.
A little more on topic — it’s been a fun weekend of fighting and I’m hoping it stays that way throughout the week. As everybody knows, rankings are a coverage game. The best that can be hoped for is fun fighting during your time zone, which LotD has been able to find while fighting JQ and SoR.
I can assure you we were siege capped on two maps for long periods of the last 2 days at end of last weeks match up due to a metric ton of rams. That is a fact. I don’t care what that dev post says. If the devs were always right there would not be any bugs
As to you other point, yup, hope we have another good match up this week. See you on the battlefield and good luck.
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I’de suggest you guys consider Kaineng or BG
Was always good to have you guys on map with us back on SoS
As to your criteria I’de say last week was a pretty good example of the Blackgate SEA guilds working together ;P
Between MERC, ND, Thai, Urge we managed to pull together and full cap all borderlands, not through coverage but via constant communication via our TS and our floating / stationary teams which allowed for a 500 ppt even against JQ’s stacked SEA. Ofc we’re paying for it this week with most our guilds being burnt out / tired and JQ being as ferocious as ever, but we worked together flawlessly to achieve the goal; beating JQ.
I see MagicKarp the Magnificent on behalf of the Mighty MERC has spoken again. Any timezone that manages a 500 ppt tick does not need more players. If we are stacked in that timezone then what are you? Coverage and numbers trumps all. Skill is a poor 3rd in this game at present, we all know that to be true if we are honest with ourselves.
AFS, we would love to have you to deal with BG’s new coverage in that timezone but I respect your choice whatever it might be. If you wanted to go into T1 then I am sure SoR would be the most deserving given their weakness there. Good luck with your choice.
Excellent fight up at BG BL “Sunny” just now. Lasted a good 15 minutes of two fairly large groups pushing into each other and skimishing etc. So refreshing to actually play for position and the flanks etc rather than the “veil→wham/bam/thank you Maam” current FOTM.
Looking forward to more fun fights this week. Good luck to all three servers. Sorry about the hacker, we are doing our level best to get the scum closed down.
Score update from EB JQ with a friend!
Is Wok pimping again? I thought we talked about that…..
CuddleStrike,
excellent score updates
Many thanks
