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Since Spatial Surge hit 3 times, it has more chance to proc bleed from the clones, hence your bleed stack. Even if someone is clearing the bleed, you will stack it as fast.

Ever tried S/S and S/S + condi on clone death ? Put on Swap sigil like Geomancy, Doom or Hydromancy. Then just spam clones and swap. Sword clones apply vulnerability and bleed so quickly.

It’s for fun and it’s different.

Yamsandjams.3267:

However, you aren’t using the most important thing! Masterful reflection means all that distortion you’re giving yourself also reflects stuff.

Fighting rangers, thieves and warriors is pretty funny with this trait. I love when warriors charges kill shot and I just wait they finish the animation to see them die. Thieves that end up dazing and interrupting themselves. Messing up rotations.

3 gs illusions with high precision give huge amount of bleeding stack. As for Hunter’s Call, I don’t know. Maybe you didn’t see the ranger ?

Could be Rune of the Mad King.

4/6/0/0/4 is pretty good GS shatter, but I 6/2/6/0/0 with halting/confounding/chaotic int. for zerging.

When I’m irritated by my mesmer poor performance at zerging/tagging, I go on my necro/guardian to zerg and get the bags…

Ross Biddle.2367:

Let’s see,

First utility slot: Decoy
Second Utility slot: Blink
Third Utility slot: some form of condi removal

…where is this signit supposed to go again?

Yah, most of mesmer are stuck with this kind of setup. I always have blink and a condi clear with an utility that changes with the build.

I’m fine with centaur runes in pve/wvw, but it’s getting very annoying to spam MoR.

Foosnark.1784:

People enjoy using a greatsword. They have said so, here, in this thread asking about why people use it. They have said why they think it works — and you’ve made it your mission to tell them they’re wrong. That sure is some optimal behavior!

It’s an attitude I see in many GS haters. I guess hating GS is just hipster as he said, it’s cool to hate GS because it’s efficient in what it does.

But, hey, I’m not going to make a thread about how X weapon is bad in X situations. I believe all weapons are good at what they are supposed to do. That’s it.

Don’t tell me that a scepter is better at bursting than a GS, just because you have blinded hate (because it’s cool to) for GS. Seriously, I’m starting to believe there’s a GS hating lobby group on the mesmer forum. You know guys, it’s making the forum very toxic. Can you let it drop !?

If you don’t like GS, you don’t need to go in every thread and tell everyone how you hate GS.

Do you sit on GS ?

Use Mirror Blade, Mind Stab, iZerker or iWave… Shatter ? Or swap to your sword. Mirror Blade is on a short cooldown already and it’s even better at mid-close range.

Also, you can always wear sigil of fire and air on your GS if you want your Spatial Surge to do more damage.

Dracatis.1908:

Staff is the go to Condition weapon and nearly the go to AoE weapon. Power damage isn’t it’s purpose, however the condition damage(mainly their durations) isn’t enough.

I don’t believe Staff is only a Condition weapon. If you gear in power, get runes of rage and use IE, well your Winds of Chaos can do some pretty nice damage. iLock get buffs from number of conditions, but it’s still a power oriented phantasm. Chaos Storm is more a CC/Support spell that goes well with power traits (ex : Halting Strike).

IMO, Staff is the most ’’mesmerish’’ weapon we have. It’s annoying, it uses CC, it uses movement/mobility/confusion, but it doesn’t do much damage. Like mesmers were in GW1.

Played signet for a long time, still like the game style because it’s unusual, but it’s still UP.

Signet of the Ether: It’s well balanced. Can remove 3 conditions with all traits.

Signet of Domination: Long cooldown, but also one of the longest stun of the game.

Signet of Illusions: The most useless one. Long charging and cooldown. Yes you can chain distortion : F4 -> SoL -> F4. That’s it.

Signet of Inspiration: 25 % Speed boost should be on this signet and on passive. Active is ok, despite maybe a long cooldown.

Signet of Midnight : The only signet to get a real buff from signet traits. It’s the distortion on demand signet. Beside that, it’s a pretty boring signet without traits. Buff the boon duration and shorter cooldown.

When you trait Blurred Inscription, it’s because you want to play your defense actively. The trait only works when you completed your casting time. Only Signet of Midnight needs no casting time. You don’t want Distortion after your casting time, you need it immediately. If they could change to make Distortion works while casting a Signet, it would helps.

1) Too slow and need to be in range to not lose the boon. The winds of chaos is completely lost in any group fight. Damage is terrible in comparison to Ele and Nec. Damage is even worse in comparison to Guardian loot stick which AA do more damage in a huge AoE. (I know, apples and oranges, but still)

2) It’s ok.

3) Slow targeting and terrible aim, same problem as iMage and iDesenchanter.

4) Redundant and in long cooldown.

5) Too RGN and long cooldown. Daze is random, then Stun is also random. In order to interrupt, you need someone to cast something, in the Chaos Storm, which is in the domain of random, again.

Got bored of my necro and went back to my main mesmer. I wanted to try something new. I’ve been using 6/2/6/0/0, GS or S/F and Staff in WvW, especially in EotM. I was broken over choosing CD or CI or BI and went with CI after many zerg fights.

Since I’m more power oriented build, having people immobilized is awesome. While staying in Chaos Storm, they get Halting Strike + Illusion of Vulnerability + Dazzling + Wastrel’s Punishment + Confounding Suggestion + Bountiful Interruption (Buff for me !) and Sigil of Impact + Sigil of Paralyzation. To sum it up, it’s a huge mess of CC. If they are not dead, they end up with lots of vulnerability.

iWave is good now if I get to interrupt people. It’s easier, like you said, to land phantasm on people after they have the immobilize from CI.

I was running Rune of Mesmer, but felt my mesmer was crippling behind and since I don’t think the % dazing will make much difference because I have Confounding Suggestion, I went with Centaur runes.

I just wish Chaos Storm was on a shorter cooldown though.

viralthefrog.6130:

Krispera.5087:

viralthefrog.6130:

If only we could report the bad EotM commanders and have their tags permanently revoked. I would be in heaven.

Why don’t you become a commander yourself then ?
Or, even better, don’t follow them ?

The obvious choice is to not follow them. So obviously, I do not follow them.
But where is your logic in telling me to become a commander myself?
When did I say I would want to be a commander? What makes you think that I care to be a commander?
I admit, I know I could do a much better job than plenty of awful commanders I see, but that does not mean that I want to.
There is no logic in saying, “Don’t like x commander, then tag up yourself.”
That’s like your boss saying, “I know you don’t like me because I’m incompetent, so go ahead and be the boss.” When you have never given any indication that you would want to be the boss.
Your logic is quite… illogical.

Oh, it’s perfectly logical. You just don’t see your hypocrisy.

You’re willing to revoke permanently ’’bad’’ EotM commanders, when you refuse to be a commander.

I bet you’ll be the first one to be upset if a ’’bad’’ commander get burned out by people like you, leave the game and nobody tags up, because who want command after seeing toxic people on the map ?

If your boss is willing to lead the team, when nobody wants, despite him being incompetent, then I believe people have nothing to say. It’s the same thing in EotM. If a commander tags up, despite being incompetent, that person is giving you and to everyone a shepherd to follow. Be glad someone is doing the dirty job you don’t want to.

viralthefrog.6130:

If only we could report the bad EotM commanders and have their tags permanently revoked. I would be in heaven.

Why don’t you become a commander yourself then ?
Or, even better, don’t follow them ?

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

You’re forgetting that sword offhand is also 1200 range, which means there is in fact no “head start” advantage on the GS. You could always take the GS for the opener but honestly the GS skills are so weak anyway you’re probably better off just taking a second offhand instead of wasting time summoning an iBeserrker that will deal no damage anyway.

How I love the GS hate. It’s ok if you don’t like the weapon for your own personal taste, but gives merit when it deserves. IMO, having sword in both main hand is crippling you in open PvE and WvW (Not talking about maximizing in Dungeons here, I agree that S/S, S/P or S/F is better in Dungeons)

Even if the sword offhand have 1200 range, the iSword will need to walk to be in range of the unit. The only real 1200 range you get from sword offhand is Counter Blade.

iZerker + Mirror Blade (with IE) + Shatter / Mind Stab, combination is devastating. There is no other weapon in mesmer that can do that kind of burst of damage while being comfortably in range. I feel that the GS is more about Mirror Blade than Spatial Surge, but I guess many people are scared or lazy to benefit of Mirror Blade bounce.

I would be pleased with bigger radius (3) and channeled AoE (4). No point of having channeled AoE without a bigger radius. Just look at how huge radius AoE damage skills of other classes have.

It would help very much the mesmer on AoE tagging if it happens.

Tried Signet with Masterful Reflection. It’s okay, but since it’s not activating on the spot (neither Distortion is) on other Signets except Signet of Midnight, it’s hard to play signet.

Tried 0/2/6/0/6 for Bountiful Disillusionment and Illusionary Persona, with traited Sword, Staff and Bounce. I like having Might/Fury on demand, but you’re losing lots of CC and CD. I guess the Fury on demand is making up for it.

Dom : Good for PvP
Dueling : Good for WvW
Chaos : Interesting in all modes
Inspiration : Would be better if Restorative Illusions was in master, so it would be viable. Beside that, meh.
Illusion : Good for condi.

Kinda feel weak in comparison to other professions GM that can be used in all modes and be usefull.

Looks like people forgot gw1 mesmer was a monster in shutdown/lockdown. The trait is a joke in comparison.

Sounds like a fine trait for PvP that promote skill play. Like many said already, mesmers have long cooldown interrupts (signet of domination, signet of distraction, magic bullet and counter blade (shorter, but anyways)). Thieves can interrupt/stuns way more often than mesmers, so really I don’t get the OPness.

Also, the trait will probably be on cooldown like Furious Interruption.

daydream.2938:

Right but at least if I know the typical traits and abilities I can reason from there.

Dawdler.8521 already answered you.

… it’s like super easy. If only you read a little about prismatic understanding (http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Prismatic_Understanding), you’ll know you need to get most of stealth abilities (decoy, the prestige(torch), mass invisibility, etc.). Then, get clone death condi traits and have fun.

Berserker, of course, maybe Rampager. Even if mesmers can dish conditions by death traits, we do not have many reliable way. So, before you regret of choosing condi backpack, get that berserker and never look back (Also the most pricy to make with the conventional way).

I have both set and also ascended condi trinkets/backpack and I barely use them.

I wonder if we have a ‘’mesmer gs hate lobby group’’ or something…

Anyway, Mirror Blade does insane damage. If you trait it with bouncing trait and you’re 1v1, the target get 3 mirror blade. They can crit for over 2K each and it’s on a low cooldown. Don’t forget the might stack and invulnerability. Cast mirror blade and swap to your an another weapon when you’re in close combat ?

If someone is far away, cast iZerker → Mirror Blade → Shatter. Huge burst.

Sword/Focus and GS with Sigil of Fire. I have no problem with that

Staff is not good for zerging. Chaos Storm is not doing enough damage. If you really want to be effective, get a guardian and staff spam 1.

Yeah, it’s pretty hard to not get at least Critical Infusion. No wonder it gets the nerf.

I tried 10/0/0/30/30 shatter heal oriented. The 10 in domination was weird, because you have no weapon masteries, ended with 10 in dueling, again (Blade Training + CI). Restorative Illusions is interesting (Bug or buff from IP?), but most of pro shatter players won’t go in Inspiration line, because they want/need Deceptive Evasion and also the crit chance/damage was lacking. I was fine with S/S, Mirror Images and Decoy though.

I understand the issue, but I think they want people to be less ‘’glass canon’’ (the 20/20/0/0/30 or 10/30/0/0/30). Maybe this time, shatter players will use Vigorous Revelation. Beside that, you can always use Sigil of Energy. New builds incoming.

With the new sigils, runes and PvP changes, we don’t know what is coming, but it was my answer.

I have the same problem with the TP on the shop/gem page not loading since the free revive orb and xp boost. Looks like it crashed my TP forever.

I still can buy stuff from the TP player market, but not the cash shop. Looks like they don’t want my money anymore.

You should look shatter as burst (We are talking about DPS here) and not as constant damage. Your phantasms and weapon skills are you constant damages. Leave your phantasm do your work a little first and time your shatter to hit (Do a rotation)

You can’t dent warriors (or any other classes) because maybe they have their buff on or boons.

I don’t get your average 150 damage number…?

Shatter takes a more time to master, because you’re wide open without your clones. Most will go heavy in Dueling, which makes you more glass.

Edit : And I just as well discovered Supcutie shatter guide. Thanks knackyknave.

Hello Mesmers, I’m curious…

I tried to look for an answer, but the person that asked the question didn’t get a reply. My question is : Will Mender’s Purity get the heal bonus from Antitoxin Spray ?

1) If I get Toxic Pollen, Poison, Torment, Confusion (4) AND bleed, vulnerability (2) (Mender’s Purity), will I get 6 × 481 heal (2886) ? Or will the healing bonus applies only to Toxic Pollen, Poison, Torment, Confusion 4 × 481 (1924) ? I’m having hard time testing it and I don’t know how to properly do it.

2) An another question, do Antitoxin Spray removes the conditions before Mender’s Purity ? Like… I won’t remove a confusion stack with Mender’s Purity before Antitoxin Spray (In case Mender’s Purity doesn’t work with the healing bonus)

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Antitoxin_Spray
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Mender%27s_Purity

I guess it will take a Dev to answer the mechanic behind it.

I play signet often and problems with the distortion trait is it’s working after you cast your signet. It works perfectly well with Signet of Midnight and short casting signets like Signet of Inspiration and Signet of Domination. Another one : in a Signet build you need to put your points everywhere. You need to invest 10 in domination, 20 dueling and 20 chaos for sure. It leaves you with 20 points to play.

If you don’t plan to shatter, don’t get Signet of Illusion, it’s a long casting signet. You’ll probably want to get blink instead. Or I guess you wanted to use it for longer distortion ? (Distortion -> Signet of Illusion (Distortion) -> Distortion ?)

Mender’s Purity + Cleansing Inscription can give you 3 condi removal, so it can help vs necros.

Furajir.3815:

Why rabid with Gs isnt it supposed to be a power build?

GS can be used with condition build. Spatial Surge from clones hits 3 times (more bleed stacking) and Mirror Blade give you a nice might stack. Also, 4 hit from iZerker.

Sauzo.6821:

Is GS the new meta again?? Last I knew, GS was a pretty crappy weapon for Mesmer and would get you the “kick” button in a group.

Stop believing everything the haters say. They are just more vocal and loud. GS is not a crappy weapon for mesmer. If you’re focused to max damage in a dungeon, then yes GS is not the best weapon to max your damage, beside that it’s a good weapon.

Never heard of a mesmer being kicked from a group for having GS. Maybe an ’’elite’’ and maximized group will kick you.

He just want to say that we only have one way to apply torment and it’s conditional to block. That it would be great to have an active (lower number stack), which I agree. If you’re not 1v1, you can’t really choose who you want to apply torment.

I thought I was the only one. I didn’t test it either. It’s probably Boon removed : 1, but wrong tooltip.

IMO, best looking armors are mixed ones. I really hate how I can’t find a good chest armor that will show my norn tattoos. Even the light racial armors don’t show skin. The only chest that show some skin are SE, Vigil, Flamekissed, TA (barely), Tactical, Masquerade (PvP only) and Feathered.

Also, I hate skirts, it makes the running funny. They make jumping puzzles harder when I can’t see where my char feet land.

I don’t really look mesmerish, but if it can give you imagination for your set :

Dhampyr.2104:

Blackwater. That is all.

(Good build, it’s called “Blackwater” – causes immense QQ on forums. – or are you trolling? LOL)

You know, it’s pretty easy to end up with the same traits if you are focusing for the same objectives. Not everyone know and must know who ’’patented’’ it.

Gosh people on mesmer forum lately.

@OP : It’s a good build, but it’s going to be hard to catch people. Most of experienced players know to just run away from this kind of mesmer.

Most of my friends tried GW2, but left after a month. They have nothing bad to say about GW2, but I know some reasons :

- They are bad at active playstyle (dodging, moving, weapon swapping, limited skills in the bar, etc.)
- Lack of holy trinity (used to blame other peoples for their own mistakes. MONK YOU SO NOOB, HEAL ME ! )
- It’s confusing (Too ’’many’’ things to do : dailies, LS, dungeons, wvw, pvp, etc.). Then they said there is nothing to do at the end. What !?

That’s pretty much what I can feel and hear from them. TBH, I don’t ask them to join me in active games anymore. As an exemple, Wildstar. Also, they were pretty bad at Tera too. Tell you what, they are all excited for ESO.

Your build is viable.

Masterful Reflection doesn’t work with Blurred Inscriptions. Get Illusionnary Invigoration. More distortion !

I always found Arcane Thievery clunky to use, but it’s still good. I play (not shatter focused) 10/30/20/10/0 so my Signet of Ether removes 3 conditions, I don’t need a condition remover utility and I take Blink instead for mobility.

Try https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/PvP-WvW-Lockdown-Shatter-Shatterlock/first#post3376894 or go 30/30/?/?/? with 10 somewhere (traited interrupt/daze). There are many variant of interrupt mesmer, Chaos line is giving nice buff. In PvP, I mostly go 30/10/30/0/0 for interrupt.

Confusion is bad in PvE. Mesmer GW1 and GW2 are 2 different kind of profession (which is a little upsetting). Halting Strike is doing an okay damage, but I wish it would punish more.

Play one, so you’ll understand how they work. Get to know the weaknesses of your build and play in your favor. As for my answer, I feel confusion/retaliation are very good against them. Their blind and stealth are very annoying so you need to learn their pattern as well. Always try to face a thief or you get backstabbed (and it’s hard because they move alot).

Lately, I’ve been reading lots of mesmer threads/posts and if I read you guys, mesmer is the alpha predator/face roll of PvP (Which is not). Not everyone are skilled you know ? So yeah, chill out and give constructive answers.

If you really want to play berserk staff, you need to get the bouncing trait (well most of staff build need to, imo). Chaos Storm does good damage if traited with Halting Strike or Bountiful Interruption (but again it’s RGN daze/interrupt). Staff is still very situational.

Then, iWarlock misses OFTEN (same as iMage) when the player/mob move and I’m not even saying fast movement, but a little strafe. If they fixed the iWarlock spell to land more often, staff will get better for berserker build.

Finally, I saw it somewhere on the mesmer forum, but you need to think Staff as a close/mid range weapon and not a long range (boucing mechanic). No wonder most of power mesmer play GS because it’s easy to land damage in comparison to Staff.

Main mesmer. I thought gw2 mesmer would still be the same as gw1 mesmer : shutdown, hexes, mind play, etc. Leveled it anyway and still playing it despite being a little upset.

Guardian : Because I wanted an easy open world event mob killers (like Clockwerk Chaos and Queen Jubilee)

Engineer and Elementalist : Wanted to challenge my multitasking. Probably one of the hardest professions for me.

Ranger : Wanted to play more easily while having a stronger AI pet.

Ryn.6459:

What kind of response is that?

What i am trying to say is thatYOU can improve YOUR time if you take empowering mantras and pick duelist and swordsman

He’s clearly trying to make an announcement for his guild. Also, by the way he’s replying you, he doesn’t care about improving. He’s clicking everything in ALL his videos after all.

Let this thread die. Sorry for making it at top again guys.

Same thing with blind (Signet of Midnight + Distortion for invulnerability while moving). It used to work. So anything that do something negative to a mob gets you in combat.

I really hate the passive. Phantasm builds are strong enough. Now you’ll have the knight set phantasm mesmer with Persisting Image, Signet of Illusion, iDef, iDesen. Add on top of it PU, Phantasmal Healing and Illusionary Membrane. IC is now on 15 illusions too.

GW1 mesmer and GW2 mesmer is 2 different thing. If you want to play old style GW1 shutdown mesmer, you can, it’s just an higher skill ceiling because you don’t have the charging bar anymore.. It’s less appropriate for PvE open world though.

People already answered you for clones/phantasm so I won’t.

As for shutdown : Sword off hand, Pistol, Signet of Domination, Mantra of Distraction, Diversion and random Chaos Storm (Staff). For more info : http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Daze

LordByron.8369:

nice but….
what about writing some lines on how to play it….
or just a vid would be enough.

Play like you would normally play a mesmer, but now you need to micro manage your mantras.

BlackStabbath.9780:

Update: Not sure the tooltip is correct but when activating (channeling) Mantra of Resolve it doesn’t seem to remove a condition. This is with Mender’s Purity traited. It does remove a cond when the readied mantra is fired, however…

Not sure if this is by design or a bug. Maybe someone else could confirm?

Nah it’s made like that. Mender’s Purity works when you heal and it doesn’t work with Restorative Mantras.

I’m kind of having mixed feelings with Restorative Mantras. You have 2 strategy : charge your mantras before the fight or use it in the middle of the fight. Best strategy is to charge MoR before the fight and if you need to charge it again in the middle of the fight, you can take advantage of Restorative Mantras. If you have traited Protected Mantras, it could give you a little protection while charging. Distortion and Stealth can help you (Tip : You can charge mantras while blinking). It is still very risky if you’re fighting someone with interrupts (wars, thief, rangers, mesmers), but it’s a good chunk of heal.

MoR after the december patch will be very good. It’s actually the best healing skill of the game in term of healing/cooldown so.

I’ll go as far to get maybe 30 in domination for the 3 charges instead of Shattered Conditions, since MoR and MoResolve (oh god I just realised they use the same acronym) will be plenty.

But I can see your build to get used by more mesmers after december patch.

Okay, 2 L2P in a row and more to come. I can understand in a 1v1 (and 4v1 in the scenario) it’s a L2P issue, but let’s stop a second here…

Aren’t you guys confused when you see a MM, Spirits, Spirit Weapons, Turrets and Clones ? When I see a MM necro and Spirit ranger coming I get super confused, now get mesmers in the mix. I’m not even talking with an engineer spamming grenades included.

The AI is out of control.

Ugh yeah from fractals only. Hope it’s not account bound.
Still, I feel like PU + Signets will be even more bunky/tanky.
Just hope those runes will not be in PvP, but I can’t wait to play with them.

Yah most are, but most players are human females. I would love to have stats like in the open beta too.

My main is a male norn mesmer which doesn’t look like a mesmer. People get confused with a heavy armor profession.

lol @ aesthetic problems, I know them…

Sword/Focus is a must have in PvE open world. So you’re confronted to 2 choices : Staff or GS.

GS is fast and do damage, hence good for tagging. The approach is direct and it does its job.

Staff is slow and you need to get closer if you want to get the bounce from #1, but Phase Retreat is a free port/stun breaker and Chaos Storm is good offensively and defensively. Also, iWarlock hit like a truck IF it crits and the monster in question have lots of conditions. Chaos Storm + Sword/Focus is pretty good (Chaos Armor and Whirl). IMO, if you Sword/Focus and Staff, you’re going to need to swap often to compensate the AoE damage from GS.

If you want to justify to use your Staff (because aesthetic) on a zerker build, try and use the bouncing trait at mid range, it’s pretty good. Never felt the staff as a condition weapon, but I guess it can do both.

I’m not good with maths either, but my 2 cents.

That’s weird, I use so many unliked traits. I mean I can understand they are underpowered.

As for my list, mostly in Chaos tree :

Adept:

Chaotic Revival : Gain Chaos Armor when you rally.

Retaliatory Demise : Gain retaliation when you are downed.

Major (Master?):

Mirror of Anguish : When disabled (stun, daze, knockback, knockdown, sink, float, fear, or launch), you mirror the disabling effect back to its source.

Compounding Celerity : Move faster for each active illusion.

Edit : Didn’t read OP for major and adept.