Guild Wars 2

FrownyClown.8402:

Anet couldn’t have predicted this.

Yes, they could. Everyone who did a bit of pvp knew that burning on ele was always an issue. Buffing burning and not taking anything from the ele was bound to be way too strong. And now when it turns out it indeed is what do they do? Give ele more burning and might. I’m sorry but this is an example of them either being completely incompetenet or not caring.

Saiyan.1704:

Laraley.7695:

I agree ele needs to be toned down a bit, but I can’t believe people complain about RoF. I’m sorry but if you cannot get out of it without getting 3 stacks of burning (dogde is enough) and then you walk back in and get 6 stacks, then it’s entirely your own fault.

Murphy’s Law – Anything that can go wrong, will go wrong.

It’s the fact that Ele casts it 3 or 4 times in any given fight. Two Ele’s on the same team? The odds quadrippled.

It’s bound to happen and there are several reasons as to why it wouldn’t be the persons fault.

What’s up with this logic? Are you saying it’s not the player’s fault that he didn’t dodge something he should have dodge? The game can’t be balanced around bad players. Any class will cast their hard hitting attacks several times in a fight, you still need to dodge it, period. The ele can’t even make the players walk through RoF several times, it only happens when someone is just playing badly.

I agree ele needs to be toned down a bit, but I can’t believe people complain about RoF. I’m sorry but if you cannot get out of it without getting 3 stacks of burning (dogde is enough) and then you walk back in and get 6 stacks, then it’s entirely your own fault.

WTB a sword.

/I consider it to be three words.

I want to see a fresh air zerker/marauder ele survive the channel time.

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Laraley.7695:

FlawlezZ.3178:

Why should it be buffed? No reason to it. Thief and mesmer had that for two years. There must be something where Ele is actually worse than other classes. Do you also want Ranger, Warrior, Guard, Necro, Revenant, Engi 1200 blink?

Ele is completely fine and doesn’t need another buff.

Buffing the range on lightning flash from 900 to 1200 would not be a big deal.

It would. Ele would be basically invincible.

No, celestial ele is completely fine. Zerker/Marauder ele can hardly compete with other dps specs. People need to stop focusing on the only viable meta build and actually realize that not everyone wants to play it. Some people want diversity as well.

To be fair, cele ele is too good since too long. The risk reward trade is clearly off balance.

To be fair, zerker ele is too bad since too long. The risk reward trade is clearly off balance.

Having one build strong doesn’t mean people shouldn’t be asking for different stuff to be viable.

Raif.9507:

Laraley.7695:

People complaining about the fact ele got 4 churning earths that allow you to move? Okay.

I can’t tell if you’re pro or against this, but I’d rather not have any skill remind me of Churning Earth.

Well, I don’t like it. Imo casting something for such a long time makes you lose both dps and defense. I called it ‘’churning earth that allows you to move’’ since the cast times are ridiculous and all skills are worth only if the cass time is finished. That’s a bad skill for pvp in my opinion. Just count the times you actually do cast CE.

Seigfried.5938:

Laraley.7695:

People complaining about the fact ele got 4 churning earths that allow you to move? Okay.

If churning earth increased our attunement cool downs and did half the damage and no condition damage

That’s why you can move.

FlawlezZ.3178:

Why should it be buffed? No reason to it. Thief and mesmer had that for two years. There must be something where Ele is actually worse than other classes. Do you also want Ranger, Warrior, Guard, Necro, Revenant, Engi 1200 blink?

Ele is completely fine and doesn’t need another buff.

Buffing the range on lightning flash from 900 to 1200 would not be a big deal.

It would. Ele would be basically invincible.

No, celestial ele is completely fine. Zerker/Marauder ele can hardly compete with other dps specs. People need to stop focusing on the only viable meta build and actually realize that not everyone wants to play it. Some people want diversity as well.

Logos.1306:

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The fun time is near brothers and sisters ele.

Lol.

Stop acting pve is the only game mode. DPS ele sucks in pvp.

People complaining about the fact ele got 4 churning earths that allow you to move? Okay.

VodCom.6924:

arkealia.2713:

But if you’re looking at DPS, Tempest is probably not for you. That specialisation was clearly made for group support, especially with auras.
But I’ll agree that Overloads are a bit underwhelming when you see their cast time…

Indeed, it would have been strange for Anet to give ele more dps tools and capabilities. Ele Is already the King of damage in the actual pve meta. Adding more support tools was definitely a better move.

Ele has no dps spec viable in pvp, but a very strong support spec. Please stop looking at things from pve point of view only.

That trait should just go.

I see absolutely no reason for ele to have AoE strunbreak.

For me it was 3/4.

Edit: Actually I’m rather inclining to go for 4 rather than 3.

Xillllix.3485:

Laraley.7695:

Xillllix.3485:

nearlight.3064:

Zenith.7301:

Xillllix.3485:

I think it’s quite the opposite. Having an elementalist play melee role is something that can only exist in PvE/PvP, certainly not in WvW.

Yeah, because celestial D/D eles are wholly absent from WvW rolls eyes so hard they become detached

He’s right you know. I mean besides roaming, when I did WvW and GvGs in a organized group, 1 or 2 D/D eles were considered a viable option on a gank squad, besides theif/mesmer and eviscerate warrior. Sure most ele’s would roll staff, but D/D had a niche in big groups too.

If you GvG with a d/d ele in your melee train you’re taking an epically huge risk.

I actually used to be in a raid guild and was running d/d in a focus party, lots of guilds were, but that was a quite long time ago. I was ever hardly in melee, it wasn’t my job, but people have been switching for different specs for focus parties lately.

Focus party isn’t the same as melee, and for pick s/f is more bursty. I’ve seen d/d eles try to actually play with the melee train, they were always dying all the time. Much better to replace them with a warrior. Anyway we’re getting off topic.

That was the point, though. D/d eles used to be run in the focus parties and tbh it depends on your server. In lower tier you can run d/d even in melee and be fine.

morrolan.9608:

Azel.4786:

Just saw the Points of Interest, couldn’t see it because of work.

But I will say that the specialization is really really lackluster. It offers no new “play style”, in fact, at the start he says “we want you to be more of a brawler / group support style”, this is pretty much what we have today with D/D Celestial ele.

Why do they want that? I play ele to play a a mage type.

I’m gonna be honest and say I think it’s because the devs have no clue about ele and actually weren’t sure what to do with it. Imo, they feel like the skills are cool and everything, but they lack deeper knowledge about the class that comes up from playing it a lot, so they don’t realize many of the cool stuff in theory is not really practical.

Xillllix.3485:

nearlight.3064:

Zenith.7301:

Xillllix.3485:

I think it’s quite the opposite. Having an elementalist play melee role is something that can only exist in PvE/PvP, certainly not in WvW.

Yeah, because celestial D/D eles are wholly absent from WvW rolls eyes so hard they become detached

He’s right you know. I mean besides roaming, when I did WvW and GvGs in a organized group, 1 or 2 D/D eles were considered a viable option on a gank squad, besides theif/mesmer and eviscerate warrior. Sure most ele’s would roll staff, but D/D had a niche in big groups too.

If you GvG with a d/d ele in your melee train you’re taking an epically huge risk.

I actually used to be in a raid guild and was running d/d in a focus party, lots of guilds were, but that was a quite long time ago. I was ever hardly in melee, it wasn’t my job, but people have been switching for different specs for focus parties lately.

Xillllix.3485:

Laraley.7695:

Shouts feel quite lackluster with way too high cooldowns. Rebound is just horrible. 25% reduced cd for allies on 60 sec cd. Ele still doesn’t have any useful elite. I also don’t understand why ele needs to have aoe stunbreak, it makes no sense to me.

I think they didn’t have any idea what to do. The Elite seems like something cheap they came up with in 5 minutes after doing the super cool Mesmer version using Alacrity. AoE stunbreak because they are under the illusion that eles will tank as a melee in WvW… Which is the whole problem with Tempest, it’s made for melee, but the Elementalist is a range class and will always be too squishy for melee. 7% of protection wont change that.

I’m actually trying to figure out where they tried to put this spec. If you look at Reaper, you get the idea what they had in mind, but Tempest has everything, but nothing. It’s about support a lot, but mixing up with damage and cc. It feels like they’re trying to push ele into the celestial amulet even more.

I honestly don’t know, but I don’t feel like ele is mainly a support class, so not sure why they’re putting it everywhere. Imo, they wanted to make a spec that would be like a support guardian for pvp, but they felt some damage is needed so they added some here and there. Then something like this compes up and no one knows what to do with it.

I mean, it all looks cool and flashy, but I can’t see much practical use for the spec.

Sykper.6583:

Tempest looks flashy,

That’s the thing I hate most about the specs.

It’s like they focus more on animations than actually functionality. Or another reason I won’t really say, because I’m not interested in getting banned yet.

Xillllix.3485:

FrownyClown.8402:

based on the ready up, tempest is bad.

The art is well done as usual, except I wasn’t impressed by earth and water overcharge as well as the elite quick animation.

I was actually really annoyed by the animations. I can’t imagine picking skills like that in pvp at all, since I need to be able to see my opponents and what’s happening. All the snow and fog around would make the very difficult imo.

Overall, I’m not really excited about the spec. It feels like we’re getting more of the stuff ele already has. I really don’t like the overload mechanics and just how you do nothing for the time of casting it. I also don’t understand why ele needs to have aoe stunbreak, it makes no sense to me.

Shouts feel quite lackluster with way too high cooldowns. Rebound is just horrible. 25% reduced cd for allies on 60 sec cd. Ele still doesn’t have any useful elite. I also don’t understand why ele needs to have aoe stunbreak, it makes no sense to me.

Some of the traits seems quite strong, but still nothing I would be excited about. It seems to be just another support spec, so nothing I really wanted from it. To me it seems like they’re trying to center ele about having might, burn, protection and lots support. I don’t see much variety in the skills they showed.

So I can say that I’m disappointed with Tempest, quite a lot. I expected something else completely and sadly I don’t think this will get me to play the game again, only making me regret more I bought the xpack.

NayNay.7680:

I was just trying to put some positive vibes back into this thread..

And I actually do like Tornado

I’m sorry you don’t

Honestly, it’s not about liking/not liking a skill, but rather its effectivity. Tornado is just so far beyond Rampage and Lich, it’s the weakest transform in the game.

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

rotten.9753:

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

I don’t get all the warhorn hate. It’s the best thing about this disappointing elite spec.

Giving you access to water and lightning fields outside of staff is already enough to warrant using – or at least thoroughly trying – it. All the skills they’ve previewed seem useful at least, if not particularly new or exciting.

The shouts and class mechanic on the other hand seem really lacking – especially in pvp/wvw but also in pve.

In exchange for blasts you’ll get fields. Which means you will be much more reliant on your team.

Both scepter and dagger have 2 blast finisher though on the main hand, and there’s always EA and the arcane heal.

Since when MH dagger has two blast finishers?

The Great Al.2546:

rhodoc.2381:

Please somebody tell me this also works for ele itself?

Shouts always work on yourself.

The reaper disagrees.

Silky.8574:

Does it simply make the next skill that’s used recharge faster?
So without coordination, if you use it in a regular group, everyone’s using the Autoattack Skill #1. Anyone else see a problem with this?
Even in a coordinated group: “Everyone STOP attacking for a second, Imma blow my elite skill, so make sure you use it well!”

Yeah, I think that will be the issue. Unless you’re sitting with the person in the same room, it will be hard to coordinate something like this.

The one thing I like about the spec:

Eles trying to get protection and spamming Impale for ages because there’s just nothing better to do. Can’t wait.

Vesuvius.9874:

Azel.4786:

And pardon me for not being excited about having to sit in an attunment for X amount of time, then having to channel that attunement for 2,5s-5s hoping no one will interrupt me with the insane amount of interrupts in game, and then, if it works or if it doesn’t, being locked out from that attunement for 15s-20s.

Sure will love when I need to heal and am locked out of water or when I need to do damage and will be locked out of fire / air, sounds super!

I think you just described a play style that’s different from the current norm. Isn’t that what ANET “promised” ?

No, he should have said a kitten oldnew mechanics. To get the bonus you must be in one attunement for a quite a long time. It’s also on a long cooldown. I wanna see a d/d ele that will be stuck in earth for ages, not being able to cleanse anything, get might or swfitness. Why? Well he needed protection. Oh yeah and you’ll be stuck with 5 weapon skills and your AA will be Impale. Such a win.

Current mechanic gives you completely the same but actually doesn’t have restriction that completely goes against the core mechanics. You cannot spec into one element and just stay in it (if we don’t count pve staff eles, but those swap, too). The class is bult on swapping attunements. It’s like taking one weapon from warrior. Ele has quite long cooldowns on weapons to compensate for so many skills.

I’m sorry but this spec makes literally no sense. So yeah a new mechanics that’s complete kitten and gives you the same old stuff. Also, protection, burning, might and rege is already an issue on ele. Why give the same thing again?

Xillllix.3485:

nearlight.3064:

Laraley.7695:

So they gave ele might and burn – already an issue and has plenty
cleanse and rege – already an issue and has plenty
Protection and cripple – first is an issue and has plenty

Yeah, this is so new. I mean seriously, ele totally doesn’t have that. It brings a completely new stuff to the class. I knew I didn’t have to wait to know this is gonna be bad.

Edit: Oh yeah and boonsharing, ele totally cannot do that.
And kittening shouts. Why? Just why?

Wow, I’m actually even more disappointed than I was.

Like I’ve said countless times before the elementalist is such a well rounded profession that it wasn’t in any dire need of anything new unlike the necros with no cleave that got a GS. Yes the burst builds suck, but thery’re not a huge weakness to the overall viability of the profession since we can just run them.

Why don’t people realize that the overcharge mechanic adds a new and potentially gamechanging way to play ele isntead of just dancing though attunements as rotations?

Its a new playstyle whether you like it or not.

Personally I’m looking at this I’m thinking that for WvW (90% of what I play):
I’m still going to run staff since we have no weapon swap and the elementalist just cant zerg in close range unless pure bunker.
I’m going to replace Mist form with the new Air Shout (stun break) just to at least have something new, will be forced to keep Armor of Earth for Stability for Overcharge and Lightning flash for positioning.

Will be forced into Arcane for attunement recharge on Overcharge.

So basically the only new mechanic I’ll be using is the Overcharge and tempest line with one shout replacing a cantrip perhaps. This will be at the cost of an offensive trait line. It will be fun to try something new, but I feel most of the new stuff has been made with PvE in mind.

I don’t even think it will be used in pve. They use ps warriors for the might and ele just won’t go out of fire. So unless you get some insane damage on the burn, it will probably not be taken over dps lines such as water. Losing damage modifiers is quite bad for ele and it needs to spec into fire and air anyway.

PlatinumMember.5274:

#believeinkarl

I did. I believed he would kitten it up. I was right.

nearlight.3064:

Laraley.7695:

So they gave ele might and burn – already an issue and has plenty
cleanse and rege – already an issue and has plenty
Protection and cripple – first is an issue and has plenty

Yeah, this is so new. I mean seriously, ele totally doesn’t have that. It brings a completely new stuff to the class. I knew I didn’t have to wait to know this is gonna be bad.

Edit: Oh yeah and boonsharing, ele totally cannot do that.
And kittening shouts. Why? Just why?

Wow, I’m actually even more disappointed than I was.

Like I’ve said countless times before the elementalist is such a well rounded profession that it wasn’t in any dire need of anything new unlike the necros with no cleave that got a GS. Yes the burst builds suck, but thery’re not a huge weakness to the overall viability of the profession since we can just run them.

Why don’t people realize that the overcharge mechanic adds a new and potentially gamechanging way to play ele isntead of just dancing though attunements as rotations?

Its a new playstyle whether you like it or not.

Okay, I’m really in a bad mood, but could you stop fanboying ANet so much? You’re the only one I keep seeing defending it. Just look at it. It does exactly what ele can do already, but it has a kitten mechanics. What’s good about it? Why would you take this over attunement swap which does exactly the same and doesn’t lock you in one attunement?

No point arguing with you, you’re gonna keep saying how awesome it is. Well, there you go. I know the skills and I’m even more disappointed. Happy now?

So they gave ele might and burn – already an issue and has plenty
cleanse and rege – already an issue and has plenty
Protection and cripple – first is an issue and has plenty

Yeah, this is so new. I mean seriously, ele totally doesn’t have that. It brings a completely new stuff to the class. I knew I didn’t have to wait to know this is gonna be bad.

Edit: Oh yeah and boonsharing, ele totally cannot do that.
And kittening shouts. Why? Just why?

Wow, I’m actually even more disappointed than I was.

Starfleck.8392:

I’m excited for more storms! hehe

Seems like the only people excited about wh are the ones who would like to call storms.

Go count how many skills already allow ele to do that.

nearlight.3064:

PlatinumMember.5274:

nearlight.3064:

The OP’s maturity level is so impressive.

/endthread

The irony in your statement makes me laugh.

You talk about maturity and yet cannot grasped the simple concept of opinions. Part of growing up is understanding that people will have a different opinion than yours. It isn’t the end of the world, if you like the war horn that’s cool, we don’t and we get to complain about. That’s why forums exist.

The point being, stop projecting your insecurities.

You’re wrong. Im saying that it’s immature to not buy something just because of one teaser image, when we know literally nothing about how the spec will work as a whole. I’m excited for the expansion and grateful for all the hard work the devs have put into it.

In my eyes it seems disrespectful to be so shortsighted.

I find if disrespectful to call someone immature because of their opinion.

You don’t need to know much to know if you’re going to be disappointed or not. For me it’s enough to know it’s offhand, all I need. And I don’t blame people for being upset with the devs, they clearly haven’t visited ele forums in weeks.

FrizzFreston.5290:

PlatinumMember.5274:

nearlight.3064:

The OP’s maturity level is so impressive.

/endthread

The irony in your statement makes me laugh.

You talk about maturity and yet cannot grasped the simple concept of opinions. Part of growing up is understanding that people will have a different opinion than yours. It isn’t the end of the world, if you like the war horn that’s cool, we don’t and we get to complain about. That’s why forums exist.

The point being, stop projecting your insecurities.

Erm…. isn’t that double irony? Telling people that people have different opinions so they shouldn’t “criticise” an opinion while basically telling him to stop telling his, which is sort of the same thing?

He was insulting someone else, not sharing his opinion.

dsslive.8473:

Laraley.7695:

Gaile Gray.6029:

I really encourage y’all to turn into Points of Interest on Friday on our Twitch channel. They’ll be showing the warhorn and skills and all that good stuff, and then you can better get a view of how it works as the Elementalist’s elite specialization.

Will they also tell us why no one bothered to visit the ele forums and figure out there are so many people who hate the idea of warhorn? I would like to know that.

probably because its more important for the weapon to fit the spec or they know that the few ppl being unhappy with warhorn do not represent the majority of the community but just a fraction of the forumgoers which is already just a small fraction of the people who play the game?

Dont like warhorn? that’s fine, you dont have to use it to enjoy the new specialization but claiming that the “majority” hate warhorn because some are voal about it isnt exactly correct. Feel free to pull up the numbers that state that those who hate warhorn far outnumber those who love it, tho.

Obviously Anet saw the warhorn more fitting for an elite specialization to do with calling up storms (judging from the name “tempest” ) than something like sword. It’s definately a thing in lore with a famous horn called stormcaller.

There will always be people unhappy about something, there is no fixing that. So they decide what fits the specialization that they made instead of forcing themselves to the few vocal people who dont rly represent the majority. Tbf, its hard to get a real grasp of what the majority think about something when a lot of people dont even post or even visit the forums. After all, those unhappy with the weapon can still enjoy the other parts of the specialization with other weapons, one isnt forced into the warhorn.

Sword will probably come at some point, when new specs are announced.

Did I ever say majority? No. I said ‘’a lot of people hated the idea’’ which is true. And there is a lot of people disappointed now. Good thing they care about lore more than the actual gameplay.

Gaile Gray.6029:

I really encourage y’all to turn into Points of Interest on Friday on our Twitch channel. They’ll be showing the warhorn and skills and all that good stuff, and then you can better get a view of how it works as the Elementalist’s elite specialization.

Will they also tell us why no one bothered to visit the ele forums and figure out there are so many people who hate the idea of warhorn? I would like to know that.

Gaaroth.2567:

Laraley.7695:

BlackBeard.2873:

Laraley.7695:

SoulstitchMMO.1396:

Apparently I’m the only one excited to the a warhorn storm generator

Yeah, so great if only ele couldn’t summon storms with 7 skills already. Next please.

I’m quite mad at myself for buying the xpack. I thought ANet would listen to the ele community, but I should have known better.

Hahaha, did you REALLY think ANet has a CLUE about the ele community? You have to know better than that. Regardless, it is good that your hope is dying, as now you can be more real with your expectations.

As a general rule, I expect complete ineptitude, and am pleasantly surprised when they do something competent.

Well, in my defense they were listening about other stuff regarding the rev, EA before…so I thought they might actually visit the ele forums for once. I guess that’s a good strategy, but they’re losing customers by not caring about their opinion at all.

“Hey Anet I want my ele to be a supersayan and have a melee staff that grows on my command to cleave people!!1!1!!1!!” Not getting it? “Anet does not listen to us!!11!1!!”
Cmon, i use ele to, lets see before how turns out, then judge. You know, like reasonable people, not kids.
If it turns out bad than you have all the rights to complain.

You just simply don’t get it. It doesn’t matter if it’s good or bad, ele does not need an offhand. There’s little variety in the playstyles, because the class lacks some solid choice of weapons. Adding an offhand won’t change it, there’s nothing more you need to know. So maybe restrain from calling other people kids.

BlackBeard.2873:

Laraley.7695:

SoulstitchMMO.1396:

Apparently I’m the only one excited to the a warhorn storm generator

Yeah, so great if only ele couldn’t summon storms with 7 skills already. Next please.

I’m quite mad at myself for buying the xpack. I thought ANet would listen to the ele community, but I should have known better.

Hahaha, did you REALLY think ANet has a CLUE about the ele community? You have to know better than that. Regardless, it is good that your hope is dying, as now you can be more real with your expectations.

As a general rule, I expect complete ineptitude, and am pleasantly surprised when they do something competent.

Well, in my defense they were listening about other stuff regarding the rev, EA before…so I thought they might actually visit the ele forums for once. I guess that’s a good strategy, but they’re losing customers by not caring about their opinion at all.

SoulstitchMMO.1396:

Apparently I’m the only one excited to the a warhorn storm generator

Yeah, so great if only ele couldn’t summon storms with 7 skills already. Next please.

I’m quite mad at myself for buying the xpack. I thought ANet would listen to the ele community, but I should have known better.

Eleazyair.5716:

This actually makes me excited about making an ele. Sword would have been boring, warhorn is much cooler!

I really don’t get people like you. What’s so cool about warhorn? The same animations for most of the skills? The very similar skills warhorn has across the classes? The fact it’s usually some kind of buff/support weapon? Or the idea ele could summon storms, which is already does with 7 skills btw?

Ele has no true melee, dagger is short range PBAoE, scepter is midrange and trash. There’s seriously so little option in the mainhands and we got enough offhands that are great already. What sense does it make to give eles offhand?

bigbobpataki.4796:

Everyone here wonders why Anet is hesitant to talk to their player base? They can’t even make an announcement without getting comments like this:

skullfaerie.7203:

Well, cringe. This will teach me to never preorder anything, ever again. Thanks, Anet. I normally don’t get particularly bothered by things in the same way other people do and don’t have many issues with most decisions Anet makes, but consider me completely and utterly disappointed (angry, upset, you name it) for the first time.

Guess I’ll start looking for a new class, then, so I can have some specialization to enjoy. Meh.

Despite us knowing nothing about the spec or what it will do. Considering how nice shield mesmer (who only received 2 new weapon skills, as opposed to the ele’s 8 ) turned out, I’m going into Thursday pretty excited. Reserve judgement till then guys, because everything we know other than the elite spec is a warhorn is 100% speculation.

So what? If they actually botehred to read the forums, they would figure out there were so many people who were against the idea of warhorn and there are so many people disappointed now. I preordered, too and I wish I wouldn’t have, a waste of money. After this I’m not really feeling like playing the class nor game, because it’s the same old stuff. I don’t care what skills warhorn has, it doesn’t matter since it won’t change the playstyle at all. Just another offhand that goes with one viable mainhand the class has. If ANet was any smart and knew something about the class, they wouldn’t have picked an offhand, sorry.

Cecilia.5179:

Laraley.7695:

I don’t think I’ve ever been more disappointed with ANet, especially after they could see how many people were against it. It’s just a proof they don’t really listen to the ele community at all. I was excited for the ele spec, now I’m not at all. Thanks ANet.

Would an autoattack chain on every mainhand not excite you? Because that’s what I’m predicting as the class feature.

With a spec that will require you to give up something that’s probably needed? Not really no, but I’m giving up on ele.

I don’t think I’ve ever been more disappointed with ANet, especially after they could see how many people were against it. It’s just a proof they don’t really listen to the ele community at all. I was excited for the ele spec, now I’m not at all. Thanks ANet.

Xillllix.3485:

scerevisiae.1972:

Worst thing about warhorn is it means WVWers will continue to be stuck with staff, as sceptre is kitten in large scale, and there’s too much GT AOE floating around for dagger in T1.

That’s why I’m hoping that the new ele weapon is also 1200 range. Anything else and we won’t use it for anything else than roaming.

The problem is that ele misses a true melee weapon, so I think it makes more sense if we get a melee weapon over another 1200 range. I don’t think that not getting a 1200 weapon must mean that you can’t use it for anything else than roaming. If the new weapon would be really good and opened a new playstyle it could completely change the meta.

Supreme.3164:

I think you have reading comprehension problems.

I’ve said that if you run a mele build centered around mele range condi application…yeah you will lose 90% of time against mesmer which is a ranged class centered around stealth burst

Adapt your build to your opponents..or lose

Nope, I don’t. In some threads you admit something is too strong, in others you say people only complain about specs because they face more skilled players. Seems like you can’t make up your mind. :/

Supreme.3164:

Everything is easy in GW2..it’s just people and their ego that cause the problems. People will always think that their defeat is due to the opponent apparently using an unbeatable profession ..but there are high chances that the same player who just demolished you..will do so on all other professions, so in the end everything the opponent is using..will always be easier and OP for you as long as they beat you
( generalizing here)

But even more are people ready to adapt their strategies to the opponent?
Seen you play, that trap build won’t do much against a decent ele, not that traps are bad vs mele specs..just your build is unsuitable to face eles, you’re built for sustain fights where ele prevails and instead you need direct/condi burst when they’re vulnerable (water ) in that regard your choice of pets is questionable

Mesmers will just faceroll you if you use a condi survival spec, they are a ranged burst spec..a decent mesmer won’t fall for traps more than a single time.

I suggest you to make an ele/mesmer and play it for a while..you’ll have much easier time once you recognize the major attack pattern and anticipate them

I’ve never seen anyone contradicting themselves more than you just did.

‘’People will always think that their defeat is due to their opponent using an unbeatable profession.’’

‘’Mesmer will just faceroll you if you use a condi survival spec.’’

rotten.9753:

Seems like tempest is full of contradictions. Only mainhand weapon that makes sense is dagger but it’s hardly a decent weapon to stay in one attunement (maybe except air in pve).

Yeah well, no weapon is good enough to justify staying in one attunements. That’s why we have 4 of them, I don’t know what they’re trying to implement.

When you use vapor form you do not rally, you just become invulnerable for a short period of time. To rally someone you attacked needs to die or you can be ressed by your teammates.

Spurrlock.3219:

^ True words. Things go baseline because a class can’t function without them. Bountiful theft doesn’t fit that criteria.

When did you see a viable thief build without Bountiful theft in pvp?

Random Weird Guy.3528:

I don’t understand your argument. You are basically saying that bountiful theft should be baseline because not having bountiful theft allows people to counter steal. Where’s my boon strip for hammer warrior?

Well, honestly mesmers got several traits as a baseline due to ‘’them being too important for the class.’’ Steal without Bountiful theft and the whole trickery line is terrible and every single thief has to take it if they wan’t to be useful in pvp. By the logic they followed on mesmers it should be baseline.

I’m not sure how to feel about this. Steal is weak and compared to other classes mechanics (mesmer, engi….) it’s a complete joke if untraited.

Argol Vazin.3061:

Ok onekilkkill i try to do something no one on this boards seems to be able to do. Look at information from more then one angle. And you are still stuborn about warhorn being a support weapon.

Look i am not happy about the possability of warhorn but at least i am trying to do something other then pointlessly butting heads.

Laraley you have the same problem. Your being pessamistic and not considering that conjures might become really useful with the supposed upcoming overhaul.

That might be true, but I’m not one of the people who enjoy playing with conjures. If that’s what the spec is going to be about, then it’s great for people who like it, but I don’t. You can’t really change the minds of people who want something completely else for the class. Yeah, we can reroll for sure, but at least I was hoping ele would get something exciting for once.