i dearly miss halloween reward track because i didnt have to open anything, i could sell all that pve junk in one bulk and it didnt occupy more than 1 inventory slot
Right like Anet making getting to level easier for Pve players in PvP? Like when i had to get 200,000 glory to level and then Anet made it 20,000. There had to of been at least 15+ players in the level 70+. Thousands upon thousands of game played and Anet said what ever everyone is level 80 now. How can you even compare the amount of time/game played to raid kills. Talking about “they shouldn’t just be handed to you because you don’t like to PvE”.
How about the people who didnt finish coliseum or capricorn? They cried hard enough to make them permanent.
I was all for people yelling at Anet for releasing a new map during the PvP season but Anet caves all the time to casual PvE players.
I also thought hot join should be ridden of and many people said hey dont ruin it for casuals. I actually just wanted it made simply, no PvP dailys can be done in hot join.
Ive done W1 of raids and to be honest i dont like looking for a new puig group every week to get me kills. Why shouldnt i be able to get the trophys?
Name 1 decent reason, its not like Anet got rid of leader boards MMR based and gave it to farmers. Or made league a joke, so why is it that Leagues can be made for PvE players who were able to grind legendary wings and i simply cant have trophys?
I dont want the dumb skins, i dont want the minis or kill proof or Legendary insights. I just want to get trophys in a area of the game i still want to play.
Please give 1 real reason WvW and PvP shouldnt get these reward tracks when Anet does everything possible to make WvW and PvP easier for the casual PvE players.
1 reason – those are raid rewards.
Nothing you listed is relevant to the discussion.
Anet lowered the glory requirement to get to level 80, guess what you still have to play PvP games to get to lvl 80. It isn’t just handed out to people who play other content
ANet made coliseum and capricorn achievements permanent. Guess what, you still have to play PvP to get those achievements. You won’t get them through PvE (and for the record, making them permanent was the right thing to do insofar as this game is sorely lacking for permanent AP, at this point we need as many permanent achievements as possible)
Hot join is even less relevant. Despite whether you like it or not, it is still PvP. Just because ANet has allowed it to devolve to a system where people trade wins for dailies doesn’t mean it isn’t PvP.
Everything you listed requires playing the game mode and the specific content to get the rewards. Everything you listed backs up my argument that raid rewards should remain raid exclusive. If you don’t raid you don’t deserve them, its that simple. You shouldn’t get everything handed to you just because you don’t like to play some content
nice bias right here son
anyone regardless how little they know about pvp, other classes or the game itself is able to get pvp dailies done, progress pvp reward track, get pvp achievements and even get at least sapphire rank because they will be matched with equally (un)skilled players making their matches as simple as it can be imagined
so how about ill just enter a raid solo like a pvp match, then have it adjusted to my level of knowledge about the raid mechanics and my level of pve skillz then get the same reward as everybody else for clearing it?
bet if raids were updated to be like that you’d be so salty you would even forget about well of precognition
You and kdaddy are talking out of your kitten as if raid rewards are just handed out to every player who does PvE, which is 100% not true. People have to work for those rewards, they put in a kittenton of practice and effort to get them and all you two want to do is cheapen that to hell because you are too lazy to learn the raids and complete them. If you want raid rewards you need to do raids its that simple.
And regardless of whether you two think you need any skill to complete PvP dailies (for the record, I never said you needed skill to complete them anyway so I don’t even know why this was brought up other than to divert the argument), you completely ignore the fact that players still have to play PvP game mode to get PvP rewards. If you want raid rewards then do the motherkittening raids. Its extremely simple. You aren’t entitled to raid rewards just because you don’t feel like doing them. Quit being so entitled. Work for the rewards that you want.
just in case you havent noticed all the spvp reward tracks are pve-related and/or contain a lot of pve rewards
there isnt such a thing as “pvp rewards” in the way you just put it, next time you farm your pvp daily in the rank farm lobby please do check out some of reward tracks
I make a thread like this every couple months so thank you for beating me to it.
I would like a raid reward track, we have 3 raid wings and a raid reward track could earn you rewards from that raid wing. For instance the Guild Hall trophys for vale,gors,sab.
I have a scribe of like 288 and guild mate has 400 level scribing so it would be nice to make all the trophys since we are a smaller guild.
I would also like a consume all button for the tomes i have collected. I will not double click 2k+ tomes, these would be 2 features i would like to see added.
You want raid rewards without doing raids? If you want those trophys then put in the work to kill the raid bosses, they shouldn’t just be handed to you because you don’t like to PvE
Right like Anet making getting to level easier for Pve players in PvP? Like when i had to get 200,000 glory to level and then Anet made it 20,000. There had to of been at least 15+ players in the level 70+. Thousands upon thousands of game played and Anet said what ever everyone is level 80 now. How can you even compare the amount of time/game played to raid kills. Talking about “they shouldn’t just be handed to you because you don’t like to PvE”.
How about the people who didnt finish coliseum or capricorn? They cried hard enough to make them permanent.
I was all for people yelling at Anet for releasing a new map during the PvP season but Anet caves all the time to casual PvE players.
I also thought hot join should be ridden of and many people said hey dont ruin it for casuals. I actually just wanted it made simply, no PvP dailys can be done in hot join.
Ive done W1 of raids and to be honest i dont like looking for a new puig group every week to get me kills. Why shouldnt i be able to get the trophys?
Name 1 decent reason, its not like Anet got rid of leader boards MMR based and gave it to farmers. Or made league a joke, so why is it that Leagues can be made for PvE players who were able to grind legendary wings and i simply cant have trophys?
I dont want the dumb skins, i dont want the minis or kill proof or Legendary insights. I just want to get trophys in a area of the game i still want to play.
Please give 1 real reason WvW and PvP shouldnt get these reward tracks when Anet does everything possible to make WvW and PvP easier for the casual PvE players.
1 reason – those are raid rewards.
Nothing you listed is relevant to the discussion.
Anet lowered the glory requirement to get to level 80, guess what you still have to play PvP games to get to lvl 80. It isn’t just handed out to people who play other content
ANet made coliseum and capricorn achievements permanent. Guess what, you still have to play PvP to get those achievements. You won’t get them through PvE (and for the record, making them permanent was the right thing to do insofar as this game is sorely lacking for permanent AP, at this point we need as many permanent achievements as possible)
Hot join is even less relevant. Despite whether you like it or not, it is still PvP. Just because ANet has allowed it to devolve to a system where people trade wins for dailies doesn’t mean it isn’t PvP.
Everything you listed requires playing the game mode and the specific content to get the rewards. Everything you listed backs up my argument that raid rewards should remain raid exclusive. If you don’t raid you don’t deserve them, its that simple. You shouldn’t get everything handed to you just because you don’t like to play some content
nice bias right here son
anyone regardless how little they know about pvp, other classes or the game itself is able to get pvp dailies done, progress pvp reward track, get pvp achievements and even get at least sapphire rank because they will be matched with equally (un)skilled players making their matches as simple as it can be imagined
so how about ill just enter a raid solo like a pvp match, then have it adjusted to my level of knowledge about the raid mechanics and my level of pve skillz then get the same reward as everybody else for clearing it?
bet if raids were updated to be like that you’d be so salty you would even forget about well of precognition
Thinking it over. I don’t think it’s s good way to transfer gold from gold seller to gold buyer. There’s too many ways to go wrong. However it could be a someone transferring gold from a botting/hacked account to a main account through the trading post. Gold sent that way isn’t part of the 500 gold/week cap.
gold sellers really dont have any problem getting more gold, a trading post bot alone can make hundreds gold a week not even speaking of direct farm/gathering botting so if something goes wrong their gold supply wont really notice it
“invigorating precision” is the trait you are looking for, its a grandmaster trait in critical strikes line and it extremely trivializes most of PvE content for thief making it from oppressively difficult into something pretty tolerable
gw2 at release was a glorified indie game to be honest, incomparable to how finished and polished gw1 is
gw2 still has plenty of those indie artefacts from before but the game is slowly starting to take shape of something serious finally, even if not all HoT decisions were good
those achievements and titles will lose all their value if you do that and after some time passes by mindless pve grinders will care about them as much as they care about “PvP conqueror” achievement tab
the only reason everyone liked those achievements was because they were limited edition
The 2 mentioned bosses are ones you sometimes can’t get close to. Anomaly has those “instadeath” pools and the gladiator is running around the static fields. I remember those bosses well since my 1st time in Chaos Fractal was a disaster. xD
its very easy to stay in melee range of anomaly until the 2nd phase, during the 2nd phase you can continue to melee just should be always ready to teleport to a safe platform when platforms around you begin to collapse
gladiator is even easier to melee, in fact if you take aggro first and will always stay in melee range it wont even start running around
p/p has way bigger damage than shortbow, also it works much better with quickness since p/p abilities dont have hours of aftercast unlike sb
if you find yourself absolutely having to kite p/p is a much better choice than sb, although i prefer to do the bosses you mentioned with melee weapons since even p/p is nowhere close in dps to main hand dagger
looks like their oldest game makes about as much money as all the games released after it together
Lineage breaks all the rules. It’s been called the WoW of Korea. It failed in the West but it’s so popular in Korea that it just keeps making money, much like WoW keeps making money. People have invested so much money into it over the years, they’re not likely to stop playing without kitten ed good reason.
yeah apparently getting a good start for online game will eventually enable that game to sustain itself, very profitable
Ah, it must be that time of year again when the thieves come to the mesmer forum and complain to cover up their own inadequacies.
But Fay! If half of my skills are brokenly weak and abandoned, then it’s only fair that half of yours should be, too!
yeah its totes okay when one utility skill is about as good as all 3 utility skills + elite combined
Tell me exactly what combination of 3 utility skills and an elite, from any class, contain the same amount of usefulness as WoP and no more. I’ll even make it easy, the utility skills can come from a different class than the elite skill can, so you can find the most useless elite combined with the class with the most useless utilities.
making 5 people invulnerable, stable, refilling their endurance and granting them broken pre-nerf alacrity on a joke cooldown?
sorry bruh im afraid i sort of was mistaken there, you cant quite compare any other utility/elite skill in that game to this abomination
It never made you invulnerable, and it granted 2 seconds of alacrity to everyone, and only if they were in the well when it ended. Hardly game breaking. There are much more useful skills in the game.
Not to mention, you still said it was better than 3 utility skills and an elite all together. Find me that combination. Do it.
Signet of shadows gives you 25% movement speed and a 5 sec blind that you can use while disabled on short cooldown. The blind from that signet allows you to force opponents to miss attacks, which means if you time it right you can force them to miss their big attack.
Caltrops. Seriously? A trap that can bleed and cripple foes while cleansing a condition from you, without revealing you. You think that is worse than what WoP gives? This skill isn’t even defense oriented, so direct comparisons are hard, but it offers just as much utility as WoP used to, and more than the well currently does.
Distracting Daggers. 3 interrupts. 3! On a short cooldown no less. This skill also gives you endurance back when traited, and also deals large damage to enemies when they are interrupted (and FYI that damage is more than the damage from Chronos WoC, much higher even if you only land 1 of those interrupts out of 3).
Dagger storm bleeds and cripples enemies, multiple times if they are within range, as well as providing stability to yourself on top of being a whirl finisher. Just from your weapon skills, a thief can drop a poison and a smoke field, allowing for either an additional area blind (on top of SoS) or area poison to enemies.
You honestly believe that these skills grant less utility than WoP does, or even less than it did pre nerf? There is no way you aren’t a troll.
The skills you listed give you stability, give you huge access to blindness and interrupt. Those interrupts can deal high damage 3 times, each hit being more than our main damage utility skill as a chrono, and you get 3 of those interrupts on the same cooldown as WoC when traited. Those skills grant you movement speed, the ability to damage and slow down enemies (via cripple) without revealing yourself, stability, massive burst damage on top of interrupts, and lots of access to blind. You cannot honestly claim that this is less utility than what WoP ever gave.
you’ve opened my eyes amigo, brb playing thief with that build
Ah, it must be that time of year again when the thieves come to the mesmer forum and complain to cover up their own inadequacies.
But Fay! If half of my skills are brokenly weak and abandoned, then it’s only fair that half of yours should be, too!
yeah its totes okay when one utility skill is about as good as all 3 utility skills + elite combined
Tell me exactly what combination of 3 utility skills and an elite, from any class, contain the same amount of usefulness as WoP and no more. I’ll even make it easy, the utility skills can come from a different class than the elite skill can, so you can find the most useless elite combined with the class with the most useless utilities.
making 5 people invulnerable, stable, refilling their endurance and granting them broken pre-nerf alacrity on a joke cooldown?
sorry bruh im afraid i sort of was mistaken there, you cant quite compare any other utility/elite skill in that game to this abomination
It never made you invulnerable, and it granted 2 seconds of alacrity to everyone, and only if they were in the well when it ended. Hardly game breaking. There are much more useful skills in the game.
Not to mention, you still said it was better than 3 utility skills and an elite all together. Find me that combination. Do it.
Only thing I’ve felt Unhindered Combatant missing compared to the other two is a combo finisher. They should of given it a projectile finisher. Then stuff like Dashing into someone/through someone who’s standing on a fire field would add another stack of burn.
overwatch is a shortlived overhyped moneygrab garbage that exists to gravitate overly impressionable pseudo gamers towards itself so its ok that you and many other people like it so much
Ah, it must be that time of year again when the thieves come to the mesmer forum and complain to cover up their own inadequacies.
But Fay! If half of my skills are brokenly weak and abandoned, then it’s only fair that half of yours should be, too!
yeah its totes okay when one utility skill is about as good as all 3 utility skills + elite combined
Tell me exactly what combination of 3 utility skills and an elite, from any class, contain the same amount of usefulness as WoP and no more. I’ll even make it easy, the utility skills can come from a different class than the elite skill can, so you can find the most useless elite combined with the class with the most useless utilities.
making 5 people invulnerable, stable, refilling their endurance and granting them broken pre-nerf alacrity on a joke cooldown?
sorry bruh im afraid i sort of was mistaken there, you cant quite compare any other utility/elite skill in that game to this abomination
the only 2 things Anet did wrong about that skill are releasing it in its original state and not hotfixing it immediately after players figured out how to batkitten broken it is and started to abuse it
skyhammer sucks even now, the map is just not fit for proper play, but whatever, kyhlo kinda sucks too but i guess we got over it already
good change about removing stronghold from ranked play, the free boost to legend rank game mode just had to go, however it took you way too long to do that as with many other proper pvp changes in that game anyway
haha if “soloq ESL” really happened it probably would be the first e$ports event i’d ever watch
although i doubt it may look much different from my regular soloq matches in legend tier it still could be way more interesting than whatever GW2 pro play currently is
also funny how unknowledgeable people here try to act smart and tell how spvp was designed for organized teams as their only excuse why there shouldnt be soloq in pro play as if there is something in this world that teamwork and communication are not making easier
also loving how lord hamsalt got salty about a random forum post, that thread is full of win tbh
Don’t really think it would make much sense if looking at it from a realistic perspective. The way you fight with a spear is to fight in a group to benefit from the reach of the spear over other melee weapons. Once the enemy get close, you typically either drop it and fight with another melee weapon, or you grab the spear and fight like a staff.
In some ways I think the GW1 approach with Javelin was at least more coherent. But on the whole agreed with Illconceived Was Na, that functionality and purpose is more important anyways.
from a realistic perspective a warrior wielding a huge two-handed sword cant spin like a spinning top while covering a huge distance and evading all attacks
on-topic: yes we need the spear weapon class usable on land
So just how many nerfs they need to take more to be brought in line with the other 8 classes?
Looking back at release balance state of revs its just silly how Anet undervalues the integrity of balance in their game, its almost like they made revs disgustingly op on release just for the purpose of HoT sales as if elite specs were not enough
Even after taking a bunch of crazy nerfs that would probably destroy any other class revenants are still #1 in the power dps role for pvp and apparently its not going to change any soon
Time to man up Anet and finish the job you started on balancing revs
Then stuff like Dashing into someone/through someone who’s standing on a fire field would add another stack of burn.