Guild Wars 2

Plautze.6290:

Lexander.4579:

Plautze.6290:

One shares his piece of information and gets bashed for it.
This community is really toxic.

nice way to distort the situation boi

guy boasts reaching a meaningless rank with a meaningless build, is explained that build is still bad and that rank can be achieved with pretty much any build whatsoever

“gee gee toxic community”

First, no wonder you don’t notice toxicity when that seems to be the way you “Pros” communicate. One gets used to everything, it seems.

Second, the only distorted thing here is your perception. There was no boasting at all, no evaluation. Only facts, almost scientifically. No “It was awesome” or “I think this is great/better than others”. Only what he does when using this build and how it works out for him. Boasting is “I am plat, you are gold, so all you say is wrong and what i say is right. If you don’t see my point, you are dumb”. See the difference? Glad to be of service.

Last, don’t “boy” me. You know nothing about me. I could be 14 or I could be 55. At least you were right about the gender, grats. There is a certain line one should not cross to conserve the mutual respect. And knowing respect, among other things, is a good part of the difference between men and boys. So basically, all you did was “boy” yourself – with your actions.

idc what rank people are, its common that better players are disrespected by their worst in nowadays gaming because there is all that matchmaking thing in every game that protects worse players and allows them to blame their teams whole day

therefore i dont really mind if he made gold or bronze with p/d, “the scientific facts” as you said are that reaching either of those rank is not really showing anything and even less it says anything about the build

and since he mentions reaching gold rank as a proof that the build he used works I had no other way around than saying that you can get to that rank with pretty much any build

you should probably learn to not be offended with every single piece of information, not everyone is going to treat you or other people like your moms do especially on the internet

moreso you are the first person to mention to me that being called “boi” offends them, you should probably check on those complexes or phobias of yours, boi

Bashi.8902:

Lexander.4579:

well you can play unranked with your buddies or you are just mad you cant farm free ranks anymore from stomping disorganized pugs?

You know it should be the other way right? Organized teams in ranked and unorganized teams in unranked…

there is ton of things in this life that should be the other way than they actually are

many other better gaming companies than Anet tried for many years to push through the concept of “fun team game XD” of playing with a full premade of best buddies because it would eliminate the toxicity problem whatsoever, make matchmaking much easier and eventually lead to bigger profits for companies

but guess what? all their efforts of achieving that goal failed miserably because most of online gamers are secluded and unwilling to group up with strangers and would much rather suffer the atmosphere of yoloq than gang as a full team

it became common knowledge that only the most desperate ones play games in full premades because they think (reasonably so) that it will increase their chances of winning

so Anet stepping away from that greed of making a “fun team game XD” and going towards centering spvp around solo players is actually one of the very few correct general pvp directions they’ve taken in gw2 so far

well you can play unranked with your buddies or you are just mad you cant farm free ranks anymore from stomping disorganized pugs?

+1

since anet finally realized that making everyone winner and giving out free legend titles to silver MMR players is not right all s1-s4 titles should be renamed to “grind seasons legend” or something similar

Plautze.6290:

One shares his piece of information and gets bashed for it.
This community is really toxic.

nice way to distort the situation boi

guy boasts reaching a meaningless rank with a meaningless build, is explained that build is still bad and that rank can be achieved with pretty much any build whatsoever

“gee gee toxic community”

thats just in: thief dominates 1v1 and 2v2

5 thief teams new meta incoming

gw1 mesmer was pink necromancer, gw2 mesmer is pink f1 f2 f3 f4 spammer

MadVisions.4529:

Lexander.4579:

MadVisions.4529:

Lexander.4579:

love people talking improvisation as if its an actual trait and not just a part of kittenty meme builds that run 6-0 skills from the same category

?

if you can’t utilize stolen skills, just run executioner.
I cba about skill reset. 2x stolen abilitys is already better than ~10% overall dmg. Can’t really explain how much better it is if you got duplicate of them is you are just thorwing them around aimlessly. Stuff like 2x plasma, guaDaze, gunk, ice, reveMissile, fear make a huge diffrence in a small scale fight. These abilitys just straight up mess the classes up with the right timing.

- Plasma just makes you win all hp treades. one more plasma one more favorable trade
- Gua daze is best if you use it on someone else who is with the gua in a fight and mess him up, if you just +1 gua in 1v1 make sure you dont breake it into stabi and aegis and aim it the time panic strike procs’. (this skill also procs PI if timed right)
- Gunk has one big flaw. It can be reflected by the engi with multiple tools couse it’s still not unblockable. If you play around engi’s CC neglecting passives and reflect, best way to use it is to 2x gunk into immob or basi venom. That just straight up puts them into mini form
- Ice ele any time it lost >20% hp then ice again after it clensed it. (pls count with water attument)
- reveMissile just needs to be landed. You already got the adv over reve, having 2 of this just gives more.
- Fear got a long animation, try to los/stealth cast it to make it harder to dodge, then jus follow up and win hp treade. Dont use it on stabi obviously, but reaper form skills are good targets. If you find yourself in a messed up timing and necro would for example heal while you cast it, dont hesitate to stow and HS, its more secure. (this skill also procs PI if timed right)

yeah having another trait, this time grandmaster, that relies on landing steal is just the thing that thief needs

oh and that trait amplifies stolen skills, one of the most useless and poorly designed profession mechanics in the entire game, the only other profession skills that can match their uselessness are certain toolbelt skills of engineer

and on top of that you need to give up a 20% damage boost for that, for your referrence a 20% damage boost under 50% hp in certain situations can be much better than 10% overall damage since it will help you to burst the target down before they can save themselves

also given that lowering a single skill damage output by 15-20% is enough to heavily shift the balance of class or destroy a certain build entirely and you just remove from your entire damage output 20% of burst damage that helps finishing focus targets off just so that you can throw gunk twice, nice job

can anyone pls decode this? i dont get it..
u want improv baseline? u feel u can’t use improw couse u’ll lack damage, but you dont wanna use improv couse its trash anyways in your eyes? what? you are ranting about stuff thats irrelevant in your context and most likely can’t use it properly.

you’d need to have english above the level of 3rd grade to be able to understand it even if someone “decoded” that for you

just carry on bud

you can get to plat playing without HoT lol

MadVisions.4529:

Lexander.4579:

love people talking improvisation as if its an actual trait and not just a part of kittenty meme builds that run 6-0 skills from the same category

?

if you can’t utilize stolen skills, just run executioner.
I cba about skill reset. 2x stolen abilitys is already better than ~10% overall dmg. Can’t really explain how much better it is if you got duplicate of them is you are just thorwing them around aimlessly. Stuff like 2x plasma, guaDaze, gunk, ice, reveMissile, fear make a huge diffrence in a small scale fight. These abilitys just straight up mess the classes up with the right timing.

- Plasma just makes you win all hp treades. one more plasma one more favorable trade
- Gua daze is best if you use it on someone else who is with the gua in a fight and mess him up, if you just +1 gua in 1v1 make sure you dont breake it into stabi and aegis and aim it the time panic strike procs’. (this skill also procs PI if timed right)
- Gunk has one big flaw. It can be reflected by the engi with multiple tools couse it’s still not unblockable. If you play around engi’s CC neglecting passives and reflect, best way to use it is to 2x gunk into immob or basi venom. That just straight up puts them into mini form
- Ice ele any time it lost >20% hp then ice again after it clensed it. (pls count with water attument)
- reveMissile just needs to be landed. You already got the adv over reve, having 2 of this just gives more.
- Fear got a long animation, try to los/stealth cast it to make it harder to dodge, then jus follow up and win hp treade. Dont use it on stabi obviously, but reaper form skills are good targets. If you find yourself in a messed up timing and necro would for example heal while you cast it, dont hesitate to stow and HS, its more secure. (this skill also procs PI if timed right)

yeah having another trait, this time grandmaster, that relies on landing steal is just the thing that thief needs

oh and that trait amplifies stolen skills, one of the most useless and poorly designed profession mechanics in the entire game, the only other profession skills that can match their uselessness are certain toolbelt skills of engineer

and on top of that you need to give up a 20% damage boost for that, for your referrence a 20% damage boost under 50% hp in certain situations can be much better than 10% overall damage since it will help you to burst the target down before they can save themselves

also given that lowering a single skill damage output by 15-20% is enough to heavily shift the balance of class or destroy a certain build entirely and you just remove from your entire damage output 20% of burst damage that helps finishing focus targets off just so that you can throw gunk twice, nice job

i agree teef op

one time in my life i tri to kill teef but he evadeded all dey and den i dieded from fall damage

gee gee aned

love people talking improvisation as if its an actual trait and not just a part of kittenty meme builds that run 6-0 skills from the same category

“im not on the leaderboard and ill never be there so lets make it even more difficult for players to stay on it XD”

isnt it obvious that my comment about stacking thief is ploughing sarcastic? god…

thief’s always been in a disadvantage dueling vs other classes all the way until HoT introduced staff and d/d condi builds

and d/p has always been about jumping and quickly killing off unexperienced, less skilled or simply outnumbered enenmies

Cynz.9437:

OK, solve me this riddle. I was at around 1900, won some games vs top 10s even and all. Did some games at late night, would gain 4 lose 20 pts. Then i had never ending loss streak for a week or so, i simply couldn’t win a game, it was constant 1v5 that i even dropped from plat 3 to gold 2. Ok, i guess i am bad and should be in gold right? Well, eventually loss streak ended and i got back to plat (plat 2 atm). MMR and matchmaking working? SSssssureeee.

you tilted babe, solved

what terrible trolls, oh dear, oh my

love people mentioning the 0.1 sec travel time of spear, hahaha

there is no way to dodge it except on prediction

i love it when they pull the plug just to save themselves from stomp

it becomes even more hilarious when the same person does it over and over again

Simonoly.4352:

I remember when Thief countered Mesmer so hard that it was often just a hinderance to have Mesmers with you during a team fight as they basically just served as boon bot for the enemy Thieves

yeah right because there was a time when thieves were a meta must have class that can be stacked

kash.9213:

Lexander.4579:

nice way to slide in an insult with a tint of elitism all the while acting a white knight, well done son

the person you are educating right now though has been acting all kitten about game balance and backtalking everyone who knows better than him and now he comes to ask about one of the basic class skills, nice

I gave compliment to the thieves here including Azure even if he’s generally a kitten he usually adds to a discussion, I have no interest in being coy about anything. So what if the op is a troll, you fed into it while others answered a question. I gave a kitten suggestion that basically said, “I don’t know, go try it out”, how is that elitist? I think some of you are so used to trashing each other here with three plus paragraph posts you think everyone has some hidden message or jab at you.

you’d have no reason to quote me then if that wasnt your intent

Shaogin.2679:

Lexander.4579:

Shaogin.2679:

Burtnik.5218:

Shaogin.2679:

Lexander.4579:

remove downed state from pvp, its just a fancy pve play toy

PvP just wouldn’t be the same without stomping downed players. It also adds a bit of extra depth and strategy to gameplay.

Downstate is literally the most kittened thing in a PvP. I already cleaned your hp 100-0, why you dont wait for rez already and instead you get a possibility of a second chance if someone “rez” you? This is one of the reasons why this game is always going to remain as a joke to literally any player outside of GW. At this point you can add as many fancy things as you want, leagues, fancy division icons and whatever but it will never reach esport scene. They just waste resources at this point.

You downed an opponent sure but if you and your team lack the skill and coordination to finish the job then that is something you need to improve on.

coming from someone who admitted at rallybotting that doesnt sound very convincing

Think you’re pulling assumptions from thin air there. Lol.

Shaogin.2679:

Tiefsee.3647:

Shaogin.2679:

Lexander.4579:

remove downed state from pvp, its just a fancy pve play toy

PvP just wouldn’t be the same without stomping downed players. It also adds a bit of extra depth and strategy to gameplay.

I love those downed vs downed fights!

Yeah, especially as a power necro. ^.^

?? ??

power necro is a top tier rally bot alongside with power elem with magma font on downed

kash.9213:

OriOri.8724:

Because I wasn’t aware that thieves could do this and was not prepared to fight her.

Lexander.4579:

hahah, oh wow…

I’m glad at least the regulars here who usually help people out actually answered the question instead of take a bunch of cheep shots, especially since we tell everyone to learn about our class in pvp and wvw forums when they encounter something they don’t know. People get around to registering something at different times than others, not a big deal and it doesn’t hurt hammer out in a thread.

Also wouldn’t hurt to bring a thief alt into pvp lobby and try it out a few times to at least log in the animations you want to look out for, even if you’re not interesting in climbing the ladder it’s still fun to fill out that catalog anyway.

nice way to slide in an insult with a tint of elitism all the while acting a white knight, well done son

the person you are educating right now though has been acting all kitten about game balance and backtalking everyone who knows better than him and now he comes to ask about one of the basic class skills, nice

Shaogin.2679:

Burtnik.5218:

Shaogin.2679:

Lexander.4579:

remove downed state from pvp, its just a fancy pve play toy

PvP just wouldn’t be the same without stomping downed players. It also adds a bit of extra depth and strategy to gameplay.

Downstate is literally the most kittened thing in a PvP. I already cleaned your hp 100-0, why you dont wait for rez already and instead you get a possibility of a second chance if someone “rez” you? This is one of the reasons why this game is always going to remain as a joke to literally any player outside of GW. At this point you can add as many fancy things as you want, leagues, fancy division icons and whatever but it will never reach esport scene. They just waste resources at this point.

You downed an opponent sure but if you and your team lack the skill and coordination to finish the job then that is something you need to improve on.

coming from someone who admitted at rallybotting that doesnt sound very convincing

well i got placed into silver for some reason and after 100 games i climbed to legend

cant really complain about my time in silver/gold though, made some fun stomps there and got easy progress for pip reward track

hahah, oh wow…

remove downed state from pvp, its just a fancy pve play toy

your assumption is a crime against math

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Dawdler.8521:

I have read similar comments before but last time I checked you need to be rank 20 to join ranked games. Ergo there is already a barrier.

When I suggested strict barriers to entry, rank 20 is not even close. Perhaps Anet needs to increase the minimum rank to 80 before they can get in Ranked. That would force players to invest time into the game mode, and hopefully learn.

Lexander.4579:

there’s just one reason players are unhappy with pvp: they think they belong to higher rank than what they actually deserve

I’m under no illusion that I’m god-like. The highest I’ve gotten was Diamond, and I’m happy with that. Now I’m stuck in Silver, and teaming players who only have a slight idea of how to play.

BlaqueFyre.5678:

But Time doesn’t automatically make you better if you do something wrong for ever doesn’t mean you will improve. Time=/= skill never has never will.

While time doesn’t mean you get skill, if you invest enough time into competitive PvP, you’re forced to learn and understand mechanics of maps. If we can get the new players to at least have this, it would be a giant leap up in terms of match quality.

Having said that, Ranked should not be an open training ground or a place to get dailies.

the only reason you got to diamond is because old ranks werent tied to MMR in later seasons after the majority complained enough that they cant get legendary backpack

you could easily get to legend spamming enough matches and still be on silver MMR level

remove everything what 99% of players cant have

JTGuevara.9018:

Lexander.4579:

there’s just one reason players are unhappy with pvp: they think they belong to higher rank than what they actually deserve

4 year vet stuck in bronze thanks to this joke of a system.

Dam right I deserve it.

being a vet only makes your situation worse though

if you like zerging with 8 people then you should get used to the tag

there’s just one reason players are unhappy with pvp: they think they belong to higher rank than what they actually deserve

you cant kill support ele 1v1 with anything, dont fight them on a captured node ever on such conditions

Supreme.3164:

Muy.3170:

I wouldn’t say -50% because Elementalist can pump out the 40% protection and we saw how incredible that dmg negation is, it would be too much.

50% is 10,000 turning into 5,000 or 100 turning into 50. Keeping it 33% you can at the very least see your opponents hp drop 77% and then they have time to cast their condition cleanses. It’s better than dying faster than you can react to pressing your keyboard.

Protection is 33% BASE dmg reduction as such is completely useless against direct dmg + crit dmg +dmg multiplier, protection reduction gets applied on base dmg..then the base dmg get multiplied by traits and crit dmg making that reduction completely insignificant.

If protection would be any way as effective as resistance, eles would run arcane and no earth line, with arcane and warhorn you can literally have perma protection..but you don’t see any arcana warhorn ele and why is that?

Because protection alone does jack squat alone compared to resistance that offers complete immunity, on top of protection you need toughness if you want to survive dmg spikes.

Druid use nature magic with warden with the added weakness effect that reduce the direct dmg further by halving the crit chance.

If protection alone would do ele any good….eles would run full zerker and be ESL level burst but as we know that doesn’t happen because….protection is not even nearly as effective as folks on the forum make it to be

what? protection reduces the final damage by 33% and thats why its so strong and power builds that can lift boons from enemies try to remove it first and foremost

nearly all the condition-dependent professions have ways to remove, corrupt or steal boons

however if people dont use those abilities just because they are not in the meta build well its their problem

place continuum split, spam all shatter skills, use signet of illusions and spam all shatter skills once more

once split resets you repeat the above step without the split, collect free wins from bodies of people with billion confusion stacks

Ross Biddle.2367:

Prince Vingador.8067:

kdaddy.5431:

Ill be honest and say i struggle against the condi mesmer 1 vs 1 but if a mesmer goes into a team fight.

I target it first before the necro. When i had a team who actually targeted the mesmer in team fights, wow that guy would die in seconds.

So for me mesmer isnt too bad, it loses to DH in 1 vs 1 and is quickly targeted in team fights.

Really?
U target the mesmer first?
U must be that guy that is chasing the mesmer across the map, while the rest of your team is focusing the necro.

One good unblockable killshot will remove him from the game.

One good lockdown/shatter burst will do the same.

It’s easier than you think if you’re not a complete meta class reliant newb

still playing in the ratings where warriors run rifle i see

kdaddy.5431:

Ill be honest and say i struggle against the condi mesmer 1 vs 1 but if a mesmer goes into a team fight.

I target it first before the necro. When i had a team who actually targeted the mesmer in team fights, wow that guy would die in seconds.

So for me mesmer isnt too bad, it loses to DH in 1 vs 1 and is quickly targeted in team fights.

next time try to focus mesmer who uses distortion, blurred frenzy, shield block, spends both dodges and teleports around all the while using continuum split to reset his hp/endurance and his heal skill and maybe some of the aforementioned skills too

incoming mesmer mains who dont want their broken class fixed in 3 2 1

too bad he didnt include how kratoast was wrecking him

as long as enemies can use the portal too

ya condi thief is bad, i love it when enemy team has one its just a free win

yes plz, i really enjoyed stomping all the way from 1200 rating

having 4 torment stacks for 5 sec as the only thing going for the weapon set is not likely to make it good, besides SA which synergizes with p/d is a terrible spec for spvp

if you consider yourself a dedicated PvPer and “cant get out of bronze/silver” because of PvE players that only shows what kind of PvP player you are

Cerby.1069:

I had to google who you were talking about. First off….its a female seraph, that should help ease many peoples confusion right there.

ya the joke kinda falls short now…

that joke is still better than the majority of this forum’s content anyway

being allowed to stay in a ton of guilds at the same time is bad for the integrity of the guild system and it harms the development of inside guild communities

i suppose that step was taken by anet as a desperate attempt to make the game into facebook giving people more ways to chat hence making it more massive, but in reality people who dont represent never use the guild chat and most use the multiguild system only to add to their bank slots

Narcarsis.5739:

To give a little more context to why they made it unblockable: They’re unable to seperate the blind part of the skill from the melee attack. It was easy to abuse reflects pulling opponents to you against their will and attempting to stab you (not allowing them to dodge or cast abilities right after they were pulled). There was no counterplay to it in sPvP where you could pull a bunker guardian (they used to run reflect wall back in the day) and then steamroll them, and shortly thereafter, their team.

Hope that makes a little more sense.

true, anet loves the absence of counterplay on projectile walls so much that they even had to buff thief to preserve it

has the same hitbox as basic attack, not much but not that terrible as you describe either

different mmr compared to other players in the match

average points gain/loss when everyone in your match has equal mmr would be 20+-2 i guess