Guild Wars 2

Lol, who ever voted kiels and think that they don’t care about fotm and they will never do it. suffer now!

Gallrvaghn.4921:

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

berserker stance only gives 8 seconds of condition immunity or 10 seconds if sure footed trait is taken.

the recharge time is 60 seconds so it would be another 50 seconds or 52 seconds before it can be used again.

that seems pretty balanced to me.
since the recharge time is quite long, at 60 seconds.

are people saying that the warrior can destroy them within 8 seconds?

Yes.

OR the warrior can just flail and run away with all leap skills and come back when 60 second CD is almost up.

are you playing pvp bro? wvw is that way>>>

lol i run 30 10 10 10 10 with staff right now in soloq, insane aoe damage.
engis elite got wiped instantly after usage because my aoe was up and won a 1v1 at treb lol…meteor rain does 4.5k on mesmers per fire ball. and my downed stat lava can wipe a team if well positioned. lol but that’s just pvp, my ele is only lv33 pve, but downstat lava saved my kitten so many times

or they can probably give it like when active next 3 attack are unblockable or something.

sorry but condition warriors are sh—.

i would rather just run zerker amulet with sword and be done with

wow, i keep telling you that warrior is the easier thing to kill for thieves, you even get one of the most usefull steal skill against warrior, if you disagree you are just bad. try against engi, ranger or necro

1st of all, cc chain? black powder and hes done, berserker stance ? kit him for 8 second or just pop in stealth. longbow pin down rifle killshot? whilring axe.
also wirling axe in black power? profit?

doesnt matter, they are just some self claim pro who complain about PvP side of thieves

in PvE thief is still the second best dps next to fgs ele and have insane of evade so if you know the boss and have a good reflex you can pretty much be untouchable. also useful in various situations

if you want to know about pvp, thief arent bad against warrior, nor warrior can do better at what thieves do, what’s bad about thieves now is because of the insane amount of aoes and condition stack on classes like necro engi ranger. also AIs these classes have

sorry, i did that test when warriors were free kill, same result

your test does not prove kitten’s kitten, simply because the fact you only used AA, theres skills in this game you know? what a fail.

what pvp community has come to when people think spamming evades or shadowstepping or stealthing take skills now..this game have become so noob friend since months ago now people saying how basic stuff takes skill…ok

also i don’t know why people keep crying about warrior, warrior is like one the easier kill for thief, thieve’s main problem is ranger necro engi and their insane amount of AoEs and conditions that hit thieves in stealth or evades. also AIs

also if you want raw dps chart, fgs ele>thief>guardian>warrior.

Cynz.9437:

frans.8092:

Cynz.9437:

thief moblity in this game is still not as bad as in some other games :x

Are you serious?

yes i am serious

go try wow, rogues have 1 spell that ports you to target on 24 sec CD and 7 sec swiftness buff on 1 min CD

that’s it

in LoL Evelynn (which is basically stealth champ) has 15 sec CD on 3 sec swiftness

in gw2 thiees are actually very moblile but compared to similar classes from other games they lack hard CCs

one thing i rather miss in this game is stealing weapon, while steal does provide nice things here it doesn’t prevent target from using their attacks while in games like wow stealing weapon from warrior would prevent them from using attacks for few sec

Ehhh… steal can daze people you know….and that’s a legit build…

Oh noes, poewpoew found another “op” class to troll at.

What was the point of moving berserker’s power and Heightened Focus again?

Because personally i can’t find a legit reason for it.

1st of all, you said that having these skills at adept make people not want to use their F1 skills, which is false, people have being using axe’s sword’s longbow’s rifle’s and hammer’s f1 since the beginning, no one used greatsword f1 or mace f1 because they just suck. Now people are using mace f1 again not because Berzerker’s power and Heightened focus got moved up, but because it got buffed by 1 second.

So what is the point of moving them up again, OTHER then nerfing zerker warrior’s damage for no reason.

Scoobaniec.9561:

Lighter.5631:

man i hate warrior sword condi based. i hate bunker slow playstyle and i hate condition

make sword power based and ill rock with them all day!

Actually counting bleeds in zerk amulet, sword aa is just as good if not better than axe due to the whole dmg backloaded into last hit..Sad true. If flurry was viable for power build (no gimmick flurry>hb swaps) i can see tons of funny builds around

i know, i used to have one guys(forgot the name) sword/shield lb with zerker build , sometimes i can sword3 people for 7k aoe. but it’s off hand are condi based and f1 too which are annoying.

man i hate warrior sword condi based. i hate bunker slow playstyle and i hate condition

make sword power based and ill rock with them all day!

AI needs to be removed, it destory more builds then creating, it is also braindead build.

lb is so much better….just lay down your f1 and see glass melt…

@above if you want, i can call everything elitism and everything is op, anet should just remove all classes and let us AA each other with a wooden stick in pvp, without evades and dodges ofc, because that would be too OP. we are pretty close already.

tbh i would love to have a warrior that has warrior’s GS skill and thief’s insane amount of evades and shadowstep for insane burst combo, ofc with 10k base HP…..imagine the fun i would have on that…nerdgasm

gs axe/shield zerker bullcharge frenzy endura pain warrior!!!!!

swap weapon

15char

If those weapon skins are any easier then now to obtain, then i’ll be kittened for doing so many fotm48 38 after so many useless weapon skins and finally get the good one

just to get it’s value decrease

heck no..

…….any other condi build of any other class kill thieves better then this…except the classes that dont have condi build.

warrior is perhaps the easier class to kill for thieves. necro engi ranger.

dont know if you saw that mining thief, he took the warriors hp to half in seconds(warrior regen so op) and warrior have no active heal. he lost because he got kitten punched when mining..

dd condi is super effective
s/d s/p power are super effective too

idk about you, but a thief with black powder gives god-like survibility to the team at fotm 48. as a zerker thief with 30ar on fotm48, i rarely die myself, too many dodges and disengages. at shaman, my thief clearly have easier time then my 80% time played warrior. in fact, my thief survive better at shaman then my warrior. both full zerker, ofc

and thief is generally more fun to play.

btw my zerker thief can face tank mobs in fotm48, can my zerker warrior do that? no lol

Oh also a thing i’ve always wanted to complain about when i was a zerker war
you don’t freaking save the team, your teams bad, you are done. with my thief i can quick engage burst kill or sr for revive or skip, bp for god like group survibility.

i still don’t know why people keep saying that thieves are bad in pve, i guess all they do is faceroll low level npcs in open world.

it’s dumb because other classes have CC build that easily out damage war bunker’s regen and still being tanky/survive…

i guess it’s because it’s aoe?…but w/e i don’t really like that tanky hambow build anyway, as i’m playing thief now, if there’s any new good burst warrior with risk and reward but not-free-kill, i might go back again…

I would love to see these bandwagoners get destroyed by any decent mesmers.

a t s e.9614:

" Dude it’s a troll build"
" No it’s a fail build" > gets killed
lololo

But that dude must be terrible … how his not dodging killshot? What a noob

thing is rifle build is so rare now we literally forgot it’s timer. totally got outplayed by a rifle warrior today in hotjoin on my thief…just because i forgot how long it charges…and i got nervous lol…

tattoohead.3217:

LOL warrior as 4th highest and thf as 2nd highest… That was cute. Warrior is in fact indisputably #1 dps in all circumstances and they can pull it off with 3 different specs.

Sorry dude, but you are wrong, best dps is fgs ele>thief>guardian>warrior.

Qaelyn.7612:

I knew that warrior was something different while leveling in PvE when I noticed that with other classes I constantly used dodge rolls to avoid being killed while with my warrior, I use it more on OFFENSE than defense, to get closer to mobs to kill them faster!

Might be different in PvP but in PvE, wow, warriors are insane.

on high end dungeons, you would rather have insane amount of dodges instead of taking them hits. that’s why i play thief.

as of last sentence, if you can’t do that on trash mobs on any melee oriented classes, you should probably reconsider your thinking.

imo they look way better then legendary
and have less game breaking effects
since legendaries are going to be there, why not FOTM skins

or you can go PTH 30 on third line and 1v1 spirit ranger.

Yuki.1765:

Right now pvp level is just how much time you’ve farmed sPvP, rather than an actual skill indication.

Of course it is!

The question is, what is a good player ?
- A killer ? Kills lots of people and get lots of points.
- A bunker ? Defends your positions for your team, but he won’t get a lot of points.
- A support ? Helps his allies, heal and debuff them.
- A PGM ? Perfect builds, fully optimized.

Or, a mix ?

Now, how can you measure those parameters?
- kills, captures, top stats, it’s very easy to get them.
- But how can you measure if THIS guy is pro with his class ? How can you determine if the used skills were the most appropriate in the situation? I think it’s very hard to measure this!

That’s why glory points doesn’t mean anything, they’re based on kills and captures only.

That’s why, maybe this “rank 5 guy” is better than you, who knows ?!

Now about the ladderboard well …. Supposing rank doesn’t mean anything, being in a r50 team doesn’t mean you’ll win !!!

Furthermore, the biggest problem in SoloQ is the communication. Even if your team is supposed to be pro, if no ones communicate, you’ll loose. In the contrary, a noob team with a good communication may win.

And then, don’t forget the “off-peak” hours. Most of the times it is pretty hard to get player that match your level in off-peak.

So, YES the system need to be improved. How? I Don’t know, it’s very complicated. Shame on those sky hammer r50 farmers…. Now being in a r50 team is ridiculous…

arenanet should hide it – to hard for people

Why not, at least people won’t focus on those stupid numbers, that doesn’t reflect your real level

lv 50 knowing that lv 1 most likely doesn’t know anything

Just a question: You’re a very good GvGer in WvW. You want to start sPvP and soloQ. Of course that guy needs to learn the map strats. BUT, do you think this guy could be worse than a nooby skyhammer r50 ? Honnestly

yes, my friend is a wvw player mostly, but he has been 1v1 with Pseudo a lot and come close, but he’s only dolyak rank

sirflamesword.3896:

I faced one of these eles with my war earlier, hit my stability and hammer bashed him and he was dead before he blinked. Sorry there are builds out there that are direct counters to the “OP builds” that are played, but ele doesn’t have one of them.

Bad troll is bad 0/10
its like saying warrior owns mesmer, or cc warrior counter engi
lol

MyCondolences.8172:

And thats the problem with Thieves.
They are built around the fact that they can stealth and stealth in itself is a more or less crap skill. Doesnt negate any dmg, short duration, longish cooldown(matter of opinion).

Warriors on the other hand dont need stealth, they can just facetank the sort of dmg that would annihilate a thief.

…if you take any significant damage in stealth, then you are just bad..most skills require target or have really small range. and Aoes are easy to dodge.

on the other hand, warriors need to spec tanky to facetank any sort of damage and still tank less then a guardian.

if you are talking about WvW, where everyone can have insane amount of damage or insane amount of tankiness.

let’s just make it clear, tankiness won’t save you from everything, stealth will.

how exactly does some one stealth anyway.

MyCondolences.8172:

Lighter.5631:

warrior doesn’t have perma stealth

btw your post is 0/10

And come dec 10 neither will thief.

which is a good thing, because we are talking about being OP here, if you really want, i can just talk about simple stealth.

warrior doesn’t have perma stealth

btw your post is 0/10

5v5, 8v8 is zergfest

magom.3275:

Kaizz.7306:

I want to stick with the thief, which is turning out to be more fun than I thought ( I’ve always hated stealthy rogue classes, preferring the tanks). Yet, I want to use my Thief in wvw and in dungeons, but after looking at the possible changes on the 10th, and hearing actual thieves saying they’re retiring because “D/D is dead”, what do? I know it’s long, but I hope what I’m asking is at least semi clear XD

Thieve are really interesting to play, and you can stick to it for WvW, but please, dont dungeon run with the thief, the better thieve in dungeon dont die but neither they bring any special to the team, even the stealth mecanic to pass mobs in speed runs can be done with a engie very well. Thieves is rigth now the less usseful profession for dungeons, is not useless in good hands, but either is never the first choice to a good dungeon group.

….what are you high? engie can’t have long aoe stealth..show me a engi stealth skip the asura fotm then talk..
my thief can AA up to 6k and its not even best geared, its aoe, and it never dies because of the evade it has…also, my thief can engage so fast to quick burst kill to save teamates..from a far far away distance..and it’s beast on shaman boss..

thief is op in wvw, i know it because i use it, i also have a warrior, geared for wvw as well (believed some non sense crying babies on this forum) but i never use it wvw, because its no where as good in all situation.

putting some zerg train head video doesn’t make you any op in anything, i can litterally jump in zerg by myself and do tons of damage and port out like nothing happened with my thief.

actually, i can find some thief 1v X fully geared video with commentary if i want to
or if you want similar video, i saw someone on twitch, does exactly the same thing like in this video, but with his thief and he spams sb2

even warriors i see are all sword condition bunker now…can’t even see a single hammer in soloq..

how about you take it map out before it gets changed

guardian on canon too op.

anyone who uses quip is going to be so op with that OP animation replacement

Peow peow.2189:

Today in PVP two warriors were picking on me being a light class ele, one would line up kill shot and the other I was fighting would use eviscurate. The damage from kill shot was about 6000 – 7000 and the eviscurate was usually 7000 – 9000 and I would instantly be dead.

Is this class even meant to put out as much damage as this? Even thiefs only backstab me for 5 – 6k in pvp…

Go away troll, you are not ashamed of posting all these kittened posts?
1st, kill shot does more damage then evis. 2nd, what you died from 2 zerker ganging up on you? 2 thief with backstab of 5-6k and mug, you will be instant dead faster then killshot and evis. and i backstab 10k in tpvp on light armors.

in daily roaming in wvw perm stealth is op, because you can 1v X with it, or when you are weak, you can just go perma and wait for cd without disengaging or run away.
you can just backstab some one and go perma and then backstab again, no body will ever know where you are in this huge wvw map..

but like xevioso said, perma stealth will probably still be possible but requires more just 52 spam.

lol, sorry you should die more from anus bleeding before you go back to your bridge.

Peow peow.2189:

Haha sorry op but it won’t be good

lol, go away, troll, you aren’t even good on your own class and you claim yourself to know other classes? ill 1v1 you anyday without unsuspected foe and merciless hammer.

and if you are actually smart enough to read, you would realize that im talking about it will still be one of the best builds for warrior. such a fail.

if it just teleport backward it would be nice.

candlecan.9827:

Lighter.5631:

candlecan.9827:

I am not a warrior, so let me be the first to apologize if what I am about to say is inaccurate.

From my perspective, the only issue with the current version of the warrior is the effectiveness of healing signet without any need to reach for healing power. It has been suggested before, but why not nerf the base heal of healing signet slightly but make it scale better with healing power? If this isn’t a viable solution, could we get an explanation of why not?

I think specifically targeting just the hambow build is way to narrow minded and does not address the true issues with the warrior class.

So much misinform in this forums, people QQ about how healing signet is OP without healing power and toughness and with PPC, that’s not true…i can easily backstab you to death with a ptv thief..it’s at its effective level where it should be..it will still heal up some of your hp slowly even you dont have any healing power..

so you think that targeting just hambow build does not address the true issues being that warrior can finally be tanky when specced tankiness with healing signet? or healing signet can finally be on pair with other heals? ok

i just don’t get the logic behind all these comments, people complaining about hambow build being op, so we will nerf the skill that is not op when used on other builds, which no one complained about!

you misunderstand. I am not complaining about hambow. In fact, I am advocating that they leave that build alone because they are currently discussing nerfing that build directly. My view on healing signet comes from witnessing multiple different warrior builds that posses HIGHLY potent offensive capabilities, yet enjoy the sustain that no other class with such offense offers. All I am saying is that if a warrior wants that “tankyness” than offer it to them, but at the cost of having to at least devote healing power to achieve it.

actually…you misunderstand, i know you are not complaing about hambow, but you are complaing about healing signet, which is wrong.. i’d like to see you run a ppc gs/lb or any classic burst warrior with healing signet and enjoy the so called super awesome sustain and start talking after that..

like i said, hammer will still be top build for warrior, simply being the fact that it can cc, so you gain more time for regen, and also slot defensively on your utilities. not as good as before, but still top build for warrior non the less..

OT :also wvw..

Olba.5376:

Curiously, I have had the opposite experience. Granted, I have 800 hours on my Warrior and <300 on Thief, but I still feel like I can’t play Thief for crap.

myself, i can’t play s/d in pvp, but pve, i just pick it up right after i reached 80 from crafting and do fotm 38 without a single problem, thief at shaman is one of the easiest experience ive ever had, and d/p stealth stack is extremely easy as well in pvp wvw. perm stealth is extremely op in wvw btw. and i just tired dd thief in wvw today (after watching a superb video posted in thief forum) i love it, its easy to use, i can already duel with some wvw specialized roamers with food and stack while me have none.
its not hard to learn any classes, but you just can’t figure it out yourself, just watch a few pro videos, and you will learn tons of combos.

candlecan.9827:

I am not a warrior, so let me be the first to apologize if what I am about to say is inaccurate.

From my perspective, the only issue with the current version of the warrior is the effectiveness of healing signet without any need to reach for healing power. It has been suggested before, but why not nerf the base heal of healing signet slightly but make it scale better with healing power? If this isn’t a viable solution, could we get an explanation of why not?

I think specifically targeting just the hambow build is way to narrow minded and does not address the true issues with the warrior class.

So much misinform in this forums, people QQ about how healing signet is OP without healing power and toughness and with PPC, that’s not true…i can easily backstab you to death with a ptv thief..it’s at its effective level where it should be..it will still heal up some of your hp slowly even you dont have any healing power..

so you think that targeting just hambow build does not address the true issues being that warrior can finally be tanky when specced tankiness with healing signet? or healing signet can finally be on pair with other heals? ok

i just don’t get the logic behind all these comments, people complaining about hambow build being op, so we will nerf the skill that is not op when used on other builds, which no one complained about!

pretty much what above said, personally i do fotm38 with only 30 ar on my thief np.

also i’ve even been asked to switch to my thief from my warrior once to pull bosses and stealth skip on asura map.

i believe caed does not stack stealth on his dp thief.