Carrying GS = speccing useless in every other stuff? mkay.
And snow leopard form is op for all classes. How it made it as a racial elite (which are supposed to be subpar) is beyond me.
Lol, tell me how you out run other class with only GS. tell me
What, you think that its ONLY GS that OP use when running in his build? that all his sword warhorn bullcharge snowleopard are just some decoration?
or you just simply don’t know how to actually make a GS work?
just reroll a warrior, all the cool kids are doing it.
This.
Or a thief, mesmer…
Or wait to the patch notes were will be introduced more counters to CC.
those classes don’t have healing signet.
Thats the point… They dont need one.
They won’t be as good as the war w/o it though.
LOL, why are you still here, you still don’t feel embarrassed because of all the stupidity you have posted? thieves and mesmers with healing signet will die like paper, if you actually know your job better.
Somebody tell me the weakness of this class in this kind of environment?
Blind…
If there’s no guardian cleaning them..otherwise just die and try somewhere else, best counter atm..
Heck, guardian has AoE 10 sec stability, now get out of here, noob. my friend’s DPS guardian can wreck your stun war 1v1 np.
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so what? you just listed 4 different build which do different things and say that warrior has too much cc too much damage too much heal too much tankiness?
throw the logic to the group. oh you talking about the 30/30/30/30/30 gs/lb/hammer /mace/shield build again?
men,u r aight, elems are OP, nerf eles plox 20 skills are op.
i wanted more combo field for warriors months ago. that would give more play more survibility but anet did not consider
Why am I able to go from WvW>Fractals>World Bosses>Dungeons>S/Tpvp, with the same build(0/10/30/0/30 H/LB) and still do well in all of them?
Warriors are OP
Off Topic;
Are other classes the same way?
beatch please, you are not stunning them world bosses dungeon bosses fotm bosses, you are doing crap damage and you are holding the team down. go troll else where
yeah, i know. but still. im just saying how op warriors are when it comes to movement
yes warrior is so OP at running away when they spec useless in every other stuff.
High survivability, excellent damage, wanted in groups all the time. Really no cons
does the factor fun ever be in your consideration when playing a GAME?
oh wait, let me see how you speed run high 48 FOTM without a thief. can i call noob?
Ya just run a spirit ranger or stun lock warrior and casually beat whoever you want and win matches
stun lock warrior? which stun lock warrior? theres tons of build with stun lock
oh and i run stability you dead.
way to good kids say stun lock warrior just for the sake of it.
how is that high skilled, thief sure.
that warrior is just typical LB spam, bc hb and what GS spam? 5 to no where to avoid being hit who doesn’t know that..3 spam 1 spam at invisible thief who doesnt know that?
the fact that you are using passive heal is already a down
or maybe warrior’s high skill in this game is just too low to be considered.
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you should aim for full ascended gear and top food so you will have advantage over your enemy.
yea this is bugging me as well, parties of all dungeon demand lv80. even tho it is available at 35
in FOTM as well, its only lv5 and people just keep kicking my uplevel even tho i have lv48 on my main and will probably do better then any of them.
either they just don’t give any lv80 gear for those dungeons (token exchange as well) or just don’t allow players that are 20 lvl higher then the dungeon level to enter, or they make a hard mode for lv80 only for them to get tokens for lv80 gears there.
warhorn is useless anyway except running
if you try to spike and condi, why GS…
sword/ shield longbow is the weapon set for you my friend.
too young too simple
I’m done arguing in this subforum.
Too much bias to get something useful from this.
I never learn…
looks like you just lost the debate, you can’t say anything can you, non of the arugments are biased, only yours. now go throw your biased OPINION else where.
burst skills are purely offensive? stealth clone deathshroud are purely defensive? lol can’t be more laughable then that.
…bunker? support? you talking about a warrior? you high?
not like stability is the only thing that counters CC, seriously
do i need to say more?
solo pve, you mean you only do open world? because in dungeons you have to group up with some one.
highly level pvp players? ok why do their opinions matter, a temporary made up anet team won a match against top team and they say that warrior is balance, you would say that its bs
the only top player who says that warrior are op are most likely some condi class cannon necros who kept being hard countered.So…
High level PvP players opinion doesn’t matter.
Logic doesn’t matters.
Numbers don’t matter.
SoloQ population doesn’t matter.
High tier representation doesn’t matter.I guess nothing matters, unless it is in favor of warriors.
that’s the worst argument i’ve ever see. oh wait it’s not an argument because it doesn’t stand at all. i guess the logic does not exist in you or you should just go back to school and learn some philosophy so you can finally start thinking.
Want to hear the solution? Bring the base cooldown of Skull Crack and Earthshaker to 20s and 25s respectively. No nerf to any other burst skill, stun problem solved.
no, just no, get out, i mean.. seriously, you are embarrassing yourself.
People aren’t dealing with your proposed nerfs because there is no evidence showing that anything is broken. Nothing beyond your own insistence, and that makes your “fixes” really just ways to make things easier on yourself.
Current tournament match make ups and review of current tournament matches doesn’t show warriors over performing. In fact the newest tournament is the first time they are in-line. Your personal desire to make them weaker could damage that balance and send them back to the bottom.
If you want to help balance, get off the warrior forums and go to the Elementalists and Mesmers forums to get them a boost. I would suggest finding a way to have them compete for guardian and ranger team spots. The only 4 professions currently showing out of balance performance.
There is evidence that something is broken.
High level PvPers have said that Warriors are broken. SoloQ is overcrowded by warriors.
Numbers of warriors are out of proportion (as pointed out multiple times). Every competitive team have one warrior in their team comp.I don’t even know what I have to futher show you to let you admit that Warriors are far too strong.
You are suggesting to create even more power creep just because you can’t admit that something is wrong with warriors.
Your suggestion is pretty much what has been said each time a profession was OP in this game history.
highly level pvp players? ok why do their opinions matter, a temporary made up anet team won a match against top team and they say that warrior is balance, you would say that its bs
the only top player who says that warrior are op are most likely some condi class cannon necros who kept being hard countered.
who cares about hotjoin
in every game’s public open server, you will have things like this. get over it.
you can’t simply “balance it” there, because people want to play with their friends.
They soon will add Special hair coupons (more expensive) for special hair styles
and then they will add RNG hair coupon (has a chance of getting rare hair styles)
just like other free to play MMO.
This will not be a problem once Paralyzation doesn’t add an entire second to the stuns. Your QQ is somewhat justified now, but at the same time there are the following options:
dodging
kiting
stun breaks
ranged damage
blinking out of their LOS
stealth
your own CC
retreating
playing one so you know its weaknesses on your main
etc…Mesmer does fine against Warrior 1v1
As a necro:
dodging – I do not have access to vigor
kiting – I’m a slow kitten necro with no mobility
stun breaks – Limited stun breaks
ranged damage – Can’t because I cannot kite nor does my ranged damage really do any damage vs a berz stance warrior
blinking out of their LOS – No mobility
stealth – What stealth?
your own CC – Cant because of berz stance or they have stability
retreating – No mobility to get out
playing one so you know its weaknesses on your main – I have one and I own necro so hardI’m not a good player so any other tips on fighting a stun warrior as a necro would be greatly appreciated. Thanls.
you have two AoE blinds that last almost for ever, or with minion build their stun are pretty much useless unless you have no idea how to position yourself behind minions.
My issues with the meta stun war are this:
-Stuns+Berserker Stance means wars can hard-counter classes like fear necro and and D/P thieves extremely well without much risk.
for 8 seconds, ok, tell me if you can’t survive 8 second with stealth or ds
why is slow matter in pve, not like any mobs can spam them.
and other classes can do exact same thing with food and same trait
and mobile strike doesnt break chill and slow
mending is bad for heal and berserker doesnt remove condi
Engineers have borderline non-existant stability.
That should be enough of a hint as toward what to do.
Tell me more about how they need stability so badly. my zerker stun hb war could do kitten damage when landing them full hb on bunker engis. not to mention they have blind and perm swiftness too which are annoying.
not saying that its op, just for completely morons who still think that stun hb war are op.
Let’s face it, this is a no monthly fee MMO, thats what they do
every free MMO i play, its the same, every month they have a calender for events, some are “big” events like the LS with a few newly made stuff and a few are “achievements” like events alone with cash shop events and new cash shop items and then the events are gone and give others for the next month calender just like LS.
then they should never play MMOs. tbh, there are always events that gets take off one week or two.
SPECIALLY the ones without monthly fee.
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I have played 6 classes extensively, no guardian or ranger. Warrior definitely.
Brb 20k hp, 3k armor.
Brb stability to counter bas venom
Brb hammer can 3-4 hit them
Brb instakill if they have no stunbreak
Brb see thief, pop stability, let him steal, dodge, hit F1, 5, 4, 2, dead thief pops up out of stealth
Brb brb
brb blind oh you used your f1? sorry.
brb stunbreak stability to counter stuns
brb instakill if they don’t have stunbreak(its funny because you said the samething)
brb how can he pop out of stealth if he didn’t even stealth
brb thief who don’t get out of range when stealth against a hammer.5 4 are 130 range, 2 is 150 range do you even thief.
brb spamming evades, evade all slow telegraphed attacks
brb thief win
or brb you must be bad.
and why the hell you use brb in your sentences that doesn’t make any sense
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tune down easy spammable skills, ranged AoEs, Large AoEs, auto attack,
or buff skills like final thrust and rip.
voila.
if spamming attacks and ranged, large aoes are more effective then these skills(when hit) then there’s no much to talk here.
swords damage need to be buff, this weapon now is only good with meta healing power healing signet (so is every other weapon)
anything else are not good. you don’t have enough damage to make you win or enough sustain. everything warrior is basically the same as the old time with lower damage except condition remove 20 point must in defense and healing signet.
Here’s one thing I hate about Guild Wars 2 :
When you choose a weapon you’re forced to play the way Anet chose. Whereas the game was branded like “you can play however you want”.
Just look at Skyrim : you can play anything and be efficient.On the other hand in Guild Wars 1, with my warrior I use to play Sword+Shield and guess what, my build wasn’t around only about bleeds. I could manage the skills so if I wanted burst skills I got them.
In Guild Wars 2 you are just stuck with few skills on your weapon. Which is sad because I always liked the style of dual swords.And this is not only a warrior issue, it’s on every class. It’s really shameful imo. I hope they’ll bring something new and interesting with the new expansion they’re working on.
you can use zerker with sword and do 7k with 3
i use str because party members are not zerkers.
you can make bosses that hit super hard and have little hp.
so everyone will go PTV instead.
maybe you should check where you are standing before stomping. greedy boy
Sure, let’s take out all invulnerability too.
mesmer f4, mist form, guardian elite and more
because they counter all damage, no counter play, very lame
remove stealth too because it counters an entire type of classes, i can’t attack as a ranged class if i can’t target the enemy
and AoEs, remove AoEs because it counters all the summon pets builds.
oh and root ranged classes,like mages. because that’s how balance should be
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You have no arguments. Both your quotes were debunked with one being a random nonsensical comment and the other being a theory-crafting discussion that the player admits may be wrong and his opinion may change.
And counting warriors is an argument?? Seriously? Did you count teams with necro,thief,guardian,ranger?? How many teams were missing one of those classes in “the opener”.
Now tell me how many warriors were in the “FINAL”. Right… 1.
How about the Grand Final? 2… each team brought a warr.
What about PAX? Oh yeah …1.
How can you not be happy that warriors are now good enough to get a team spot on tournament teams? The only thing you can do is wait to see what happens, and maybe want Engies and Eles to get a little boost since they seemed underrepresented.
With the new patch Engies new group utility may bump them enough that they are a playstyle decision with other group fight classes.
Understood.
No argument is valid if it is against warriors.
do you even know what is an argument? its not “no argument is valid if it is against warriors.”. there’s literally no argument in your comment, like 0. go back to school and learn some philosophy, seriously.
even the guy you quoted said that it is only an OPINION and he might be wrong and warrior will become trash again when meta switch.
all classes in this game are designed to have something they are good in and for this they have some weakness
like
guardian good bunker – low dmg
engineer good knockbacks – no stability
mesmer good tools – bad vs condis
thief good dmg escapes – squishi
……..
warrior before all this buffs best damage ingame but no stustain so he cant stay infight forever to bring this op damage constant on his target
warrior before was designed to go in and burst and go out – needed some slight adjustments here and their but was NEVER badNOW
they got buffed in everything
they can be best bunker ingame – even with berserker they live longer than a bunker guardian
they have invul utiliti + condi imun
they have tons stability
they can stunlock targets forever
they have with some weapons best mobility ingame
they have livereg higher than some classes can do damageAND all this compared with their op damage they have since release
so seriously – whats the goal with this class?
it hardcounters atm rangerz, engineers, mesmer, necros and somehow ele
and on top – they even wanna buff this class more with next balancing patch
i dont get it
you don’t get it because you are one ignorant mf.
guardian/ best bunker/ can do good damage if specced
engi no stability but have amazing stun protection while disable you do close to no damage to it.
mesmer amazing damage, range damage, damage avoidance(for avoiding condition attack as well) and clones
thief amazing damage, spammable amazing damage, if you think that evade spam is squishy then i don’t know how you play it.
warrior damage can’t not compare to the two above, sucks at range, 130 range not spammable attacks, no AI aid, no teleport, no stealth, no invulnerability.
oh did i mention all the damage nerf in the past months? i guess you didn’t give a eff about those, did you.
you basically paid no attention to warrior and just assume that they buffed everything and your false statements show how ignorant you are
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I recommend the 30/30/30/30/30 build. It features prominently on these forums.
don’t forget weapons you use mace, sword main hand, shield mace off hand, greatsword, longbow and rifle, maybe equip hammer on your foot too.
so you can do tons of damage while stun lock enemies and range attack or aoe people if they try to keep distance while having good mobility.
Hammer is one of the hardest weapons in the game, I’d consider it the superior team fighter. That being said Skullcracker is still good for getting back and forth quickly. The build apt posted is a build for a Power Meta. It has NO condition removal to speak of, and even uses Healing Signet with Berserker gear which makes no sense.
Say what you will about the builds I’ve posted, but they’ve been proven effective in this meta. Running a bad build won’t make you better.
Well yes I know they are meta builds they are effective because they are easy to play and are self sustaining and hammer longbow has so much aoe with lot of sustain. The mace stun build I pretty much was playing for 6-7 months and made the variation 0/30/20/0/20 than gave it to few friends and it now is a lot more popular now since it became easy and was revealed to everyone by few people who actually posted onto forums a week ago. There’s no point of him playing easy to play specs if hes new and straight away plays a meta build trust me he will just feel so much weaker once those builds are toned down. The best way to start of as a warr would be to start with zerk than work your way up learning the fundamentals. Meta builds ignore fundamentals they bypass them and will come to haunt him later if he does not learn them early. That’s my reasoning for him not to play cheese meta builds. But, of course its his choice to choose what build he would like to play.
wth you talking about, it was me who created this mace build since beta then i gave it to some friends of mine 4 months ago and bam it became the meta build 2 months after that.
Where have you been? eles were gods months ago, my friend used to main it, now he doesn’t play it, because it’s not that awesome anymore.
and i know that you don’t play a single warrior from your list full of BS.
that one big river of Bullkitten you got there.NO..where have you been?
Eles have never been awesome in the first place, just few trolls running a tank/healing build and RTL away when losing…WHAT IS AWESOME ABOUT THAT?Eles were gods because the majority of “pro” warriors were dead fixed in using their one trick zerker build against a tank build..and you ended up losing always ..because ofc you had no kittening toughness compared to the 1900 toughness ele but you still complained nevertheless
I play warrior as well and I perfectly know how the axe autoattack on a soldier amulet warrior deal close to the dmg of a phoenix when using a zerker ele.
On the contrary of your friend who enjoyed trolling people in WvWvW with his d/d tank build ( not able to kill anything _) I’ve got friends who can show you how awesome was the warrior during the times the ele was considered a God, with their mace/hammer build…but again months ago all you’d find were 100b zerker heroes crying on how “UP” was the warrior ….GG
lol, where have you been man, in wvw, d/d ele used to 1v10, it can still get away after kills and it was obviously more tanky then a full tank warrior in pvp.
yea, eles were known as god is TOTALLY because of some warriors. make so much sense. do you even logic.
also i call your list full of bs, because you dont have a single idea why they applied those changes, your matches are all messed up and half of them are not correct.
And so what, axe auto attack(3 skills) does more damage then phoenix, your comparison is totally off, im not even going to mention how it(they) does more damage then hundred blades, kill shot, eviscerate and that it takes like 3 seconds to land them and it is a pain in the kitten to land them all because of 130 range and resets. phoenix is a freaking aoe with 240 radius, ,1/4 sec ct, 900 range, unblockable, blast finisher and gives you vigor. tell me more.
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Typically, running multiple of a same “type” is weak in the majority of cases so why exactly would we do this?
Because 3 conjures is strong?
3 gadgets running amok?
triple signet craze?
3 Physical skills have been too strong for too long?
quadriple turrets really took off?
3 spirit weapon guardians are destroying the game?
That Haste, caltrops, Scorpion wire thief makes the game unplayable?We could do this all day, the tl;dr is that I don’t get where this suggestion is coming very often running the same type of skill weakens you. Especially given some whole types lack stunbreakers such as Venoms.
so this wouldn’t apply to them, because they are already weak and no one would get 3-4 of them. but as for other utilities which people use 3-4 of them, it will be a huge nerf.
so you are saying that you can’t stop 3 players from attacking you at once?….
tell me more..
The one thing warriors dont need is more access to CC, lol.
1/4 second daze is soo much CC! must nerf!
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Stop bringing a WvWvW/non-SPVP thread into the SPVP forums.
1) Maybe because it was the worst class in the game a few months ago?
2) You mean by buffing shouts, one of our unused builds? That won’t help the scary warriors most cry about.
Warriors counter is Blind/Poison/Burst damage, things many classes have.
3) They are adding more weapons to all classes soon, also since you can only have 2 weapons for most professions equipped why does it even matter?
Now move this to its proper forum.
Cry me a river @Daecollo!
The eles have been crying since the end of BWE1 and nobody at Anet has really cared , the class is so stupidly designed that everything is water/arcana or GTFO, ele players were forced in using tank build to avoid getting oneshotted by 100b warriors who had always the option to use high sustain build like : mace/shield + leech sigil or control hammer build ( don’t try to say no if not I post videos here of the mace/shield “unkillable” build and hammer control )
Despite all warrior used to cry : " QQ eles do the job of warriors" …HOW? tanks with no dmg suddenly become warriors? ..interesting ….but anyway eles got ofc nerfed on the only thing that kept them viable : tank build….
So now eles are forced to use a “burst or die” build while having 10k less HP and less room for errors compared to warriors ( frenzy+100b…cheese and easy , much easier than being forced in pressing 10 buttons at the right angle and distance with perfect timing).
But hey one trick pony build is considered viable and ok for the Devs..when on eles..but warriors were considered UP while using it, so they gave them the sustain of guardians and more dmg spread across the board ..while nerfing all possible threats for them…EPIC BALANCE.
- Thieves d/d can potentially oneshot zerker warriors…NERF
- Guardians can outlive burst from warriors…NERF
- Eles can kill warrior with attrition..NERF
- Necros can kill warriors with condition…NERF and ADD ANTI-CONDITIONS STANCE
- Engy can kite warriors quite well..NERF and ADD MORE GAP CLOSERBut pls @Daecollo go on and make another thread on how warriors suck in this game
Where have you been? eles were gods months ago, my friend used to main it, now he doesn’t play it, because it’s not that awesome anymore.
and i know that you don’t play a single warrior from your list full of BS.
that one big river of Bullkitten you got there.
yup they have been overbuffed imho.they are beasts in wvw atm because of that. it sometimes takes 5 people to kill 1.the heals are too much, the cc is too much and the thing is they dont need to give up everything to do decent dmg. the got toughness,healing, big dps, mass cc, mobilty,vitality all at once. a lot of classes have to give up at least 2 of those.
all i see atm in wvw is warriors everywhere, then necros, then guardians, then eles, then thieves…..and then after a while i see a few engis, then i see 1-3 mesmers in a 50man zerg and 1 ranger a day.great balance anet!
5 to kill a warrior? You’ve got to be kidding. Also didn’t know this was the wvw part of the forums
hahaha yup. it was kinda hillarious. we were 1thief, 1 mesmer (confusion spec) and an engineer chasing a warrior on top of smc around. he had full guard leech aswell so more hp thatand power than u would get without it. he kept ccing us and killed the thief as he was semi glasscannon. so we had to call 2 morepeople to hel with him. as a mesmer that is v spec i dont have blink equiped and he was able to outrun us all the time.
and dont forget that u will see a ton of wvw players come here as anet only balances wvw around spvp only. warriors were in a good place in wvw before the buffs. now they are out of control.
go check wvw out or 1 day in a mid to high tier. all u will see is warriors and a ton of necros. mesmers in zergs are mainly support veilbots. we get no buffs because we are doing pretty ok in spvp.
i do well with my blackwater mesmer in spvp. but in wvw im stuck as a support because of anet not splitting the game modes.
nice story bros, i killed 2 warriors with thief in wvw the other day.
tell me more about how he keeps stunning 5 of you all the time while you don’t have a single stunbreak, stability and can’t even apply a single poison, or you are just a bunch of lv10 uplevels who can’t deal more then 400 dps all together.
wvw doesn’t balance around pvp, revealed is 4 sec in pvp and 3 sec in pve wvw and whirling axe does 50% more damage in PvP only, get real, wvw is balanced around pve.
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people can’t dodge earthshaker now, cute.
lol another bad player who can’t avoid a stun.
move along.
no one complaint about stun warrior anymore expect some noobs who trolling around in the warrior section with stupid responses, you are like 2 months late.
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