Guild Wars 2

Lol, so warrior is more OP then people called the most OP classes necro and ranger?
i guess that’s why everyone in top 100 are warriors and owning people!

Good job losing your player base, Anet

Furajir.3815:

conditions are laughable.

Are you playing the same game as i do?
oh wait, you play wvw, why are you even talking about balance in the 1st place again?

Lachanche.6859:

Knote.2904:

Just because he’s a kitten doesn’t make him any less right, a lot of top pvp’ers tend to be “rough around the edges” and if Anet uses that as an excuse to ignore his advice they’re stupider than I thought.

Guy 1 starts walking towards a cliff with a steep drop off unknowingly.

Guy 2 says “Hey f***t**d stop walking that way you’re gonna fall of a cliff moron.”

Guy 1 “Wow that is just rude why would I listen to you?”

Guy 1 falls off the cliff…

Well if Guy 2 doesn’ t learn some proper manners he can expect to have many more Guy 1 on his coscience.

Ok? and what is your point? Guy 2 should be a nice when warning Guy 1? Oh, people fall because you were so rude when warning them, so they fall is because you, its all your fault. what?

Soja.5918:

“Very rarely” translates to “more or less the same chance you have at an exotic.”

Which is indeed very rare.

an exotic? lol, exotic have a large amount of them.
how about a precursor.

skillionaire.3574:

Completely disagree with suggestion of nerfing cond food duration. Idiotic idea actually. Since I use the same food on my guardian build to help negate cond dmg, nerfing that food would also destroy any chance my guardian has at surviving conditions. (and most decent guardians understand they melt on condis especially in massive zerg battles) so no. Rather it’s up to enemies to use + cond food to counter.

I totally agree ‘a t s e’ regarding healing signet. without it we’d get dropped by competent zerk players. (thiefs still hurts me massively i have to rely on kiting with my sword and warhorn to avoid burst) If you want to kill regen players get some support from poison cond builds. Plus what about rangers troll healing regen builds. I’ve observed idiotic situations whereby they are taking on and killing groups of players with kittened amounts of sustain.

Only thing that needs changing imo is the skullcrack from 3 to 2 secs, match it with the earthshaker that’s already 2 sec stun.

oh p.s I personally don’t use kittened cheese builds (but rather full tank low dmg builds, hammer, sword wh for support play) and i often stalemate many other good players with good builds like, healway guardians, zerk thieves, and MM necros along with clever high cond dmg engis. It always ends up in both parties just walking away.

guardian complaining about stun warrior? you must be really bad
oh wait, you play wvw. i guess you are just another full tank brainless faceroll guard.

because no one cares about their little tournament inside their little circle of so called “esport” teams as long as this game is not fixed?

selan.8354:

yeah its just as broken as chain stuns, perma stealth, permaa evade. the other day in wvw there were 2 guardians in the water and 6 people simply couldnt kill them. or dead pets rezing rangers in water. yeah there are a lot of broken mechanics out there, but im sure they will get fixed. balance changes will come soon and when it hits, there will be a lot of qq

woot, more qqs then nao? awesome

no healing power, you high?

Conan.8046:

Lighter.5631:

Conan.8046:

Lighter.5631:

Conan.8046:

Did you win or lose?

Actually its almost worth losing to hear everyone blame each other and whine about everyone else being noobs.

I stood and guarded a point the whole game, never lost it. My team mates all zerged middle point and beaten every time. However because i had lowest score i was the reason we lost!

obviously you are the reason your team lost, you leave your team in a 4v5 situation, because they know that you are not going to move a tiny bit so they ignored you and that point in a whole in exchange they got 2 other points. noobs who think that picking a brainless bunker sitting on home point the whole game will actually help alot in all comp are hilarious

See this is the kind of stupid person i am talking about. Its not a 4v5 situation unless your complete idiots. 4v5 so they left a point unguarded and you would have failed to cap it. That’s just stupidity.

wow i always thought that you are ignorant, but i didn’t know that you are this ignorant. so what, one guy run of to cap their back point, while the middle point is 3v5 and lost in an instant and they only need 2 people to run back to take the home point back, NOT to mention they can always send one back while 4v3 at middle point. and as they die the team spawn is splited, situation gets worst.

or you still haven’t realise how much an idiot you are, i can always bring the old quotes which you’ve been ignoring the whole time because you are too ashamed if you want to.

I am glad you played the game. Did i say i was never attacked? sorry missed that. I am not ashamed of anything i said. It just shows your pathetic personal vendetta.

Yea, attacked by back capper 1 time or 2 at the beginning, Or do you mean when after you team has been killed because of 4v5 and enemy have their 2 points?

Lol, you are not ashamed of anything you said? haha, thanks for the laugh, because you should.

Conan.8046:

Did you win or lose?

Actually its almost worth losing to hear everyone blame each other and whine about everyone else being noobs.

I stood and guarded a point the whole game, never lost it. My team mates all zerged middle point and beaten every time. However because i had lowest score i was the reason we lost!

obviously you are the reason your team lost, you leave your team in a 4v5 situation, because they know that you are not going to move a tiny bit so they ignored you and that point in a whole in exchange they got 2 other points. noobs who think that picking a brainless bunker sitting on home point the whole game will actually help alot in all comp are hilarious

Arganthium.5638:

Yeah, I asked him on his stream to justify some (not all, but some) of the things he said in his rant. He responded by throwing out all kinds of insults at me, and completely and utterly evading the question altogether.

He’s incredibly rude, and it’s not wonder ANet doesn’t want him coming on these forums; he’s a stain on our otherwise decent community.

because defaming someone in a public forum without any prove is a decent community. cool story.

ilr.9675:

Lighter.5631:

because cof1 is high end dungeon for you i assume

COF’s was the only Explorables I didn’t 100%… infact I’ve only been in path1 once. I was so bored by it I never came back. But thanks for the laugh! …PM me in game if ya wanna Melee Lupi tho, I’ll be glad to come show ya how wrong your assumptions are.

Infact maybe I’ll PM you next time we need a filler?

lol, melee lupi? dude i was doing that 6 months ago and i only played this game for 8month max. im surprised that people still think thakittens a huge accomplishment which is laughable. and because one boss = the whole dungeon and because arah3 is totally high end, lol

oh shut up guys, this game is fine.

Yasha.5963:

Go and play another mmo for a bit then you will fall in love with GW2 spvp again.

Im playing another mmo right now, and i still hate the current state of this games pvp to be very honest.

why am i here you ask? just curious if pvp forums is still full of raging threads since that chaotic patch.

ilr.9675:

We already got one

Power
Precision
Critical

Lol @ ^ people who think Guardians are req’d anymore for Dungeon Speed clear
Go read the actual Subforum for it … no guessing necessary Folks

because cof1 is high end dungeon for you i assume

high end dungeons “holy trinity” = guardian + dps class + mesmer

drake.2135:

Lighter.5631:

cast bar + killshot = useless

You don’t need a cast bar to see that thing coming lol.

Yea, only if you see him started it. but when he already started

made by korean = pay to win

Winds.3087:

zone.1073:

Facepalm. That’s the point. Also, I forgot to add quickness finishing to that list. Downed mesmers make quickness-finishing useless, too.

What point exactly? How anything you mentioned will help you finish, say, thief? Or self-ressing engineers and rangers?

did you just throw your logic out of the window?

cast bar + killshot = useless

fix matches like this, and there’s will be less of that.

that had plenty of these tonight. time to get away from this game once again.

this is entertaining to watch.

Or maybe you SHOULD learn how to deal with a Healing Regen build and equip a shortbow and use POISON? instead of a jumper wannabe?

Now look at the video, he isn’t even unkillable, you got him low.

ill tell you which class have been good forever, even some of them not in meta right now but still can be important if well played

Ranger, Engi, Guard, Mesmer, Thief

as of the meta right now
Necro

Conan.8046:

If pvp was like in the first video i would quit. The player barely even moves…what the hell is that crap? It just looks aweful, even in Wow back in the day they move around waaaaay more than that. That looks incredibly dull.

You have shown enough of your ignorance already bro, just…door is that way

Conan.8046:

OP just seems like a bad warrior, he doesn’t believe Bulls Rush stuns? he takes mobile strikes any movement skill breaks immobilize. Sounds like he doesn’t know his class too well.

Conan.8046:

Hope you don’t mind me expanding on this.

Berserker Stance removes all conditions and stops them being applied to you for 10 seconds…possibly 12 if you trait stances.
Signet of Stamina removes all conditions.
Restorative Strength – Removes chilled, immobilize and weakness on heal.
Mobile strikes – Any movement skill removes immobilize.

Conan.8046:

Berserker Stance removes ZERO conditions. It is preventative only. You cannot pop it after the conditions are already on you to make them fall off.

Should learn your class then it reduces duration by 100% that means they are removed.

whats your point. lv40 to 50 takes more time then 1 to 30+
more necros and they have mesmer and ele

google.3709:

tichorum.2415:

We’re waiting for a patch because of 10 players. And we’re waiting a month for it.

*2 months :P big patches are normally around the end of the month so end of sep hopefully we’ll see some changes.

and following the patter!! my guess is that eles are gettin fear and confussion to balance their lack of survival on this meta!!

not i heard that dev said the patch after pax isnt even going to be a big balance patch, the next one is.

Allie Murdock.8152:

Lighter.5631:

i’ve heard that PvP balance team are not balancing anything because PAX is going on and the patch after PAX is over is not big balance patch either only the one after is a big balance is patch true.

There is no “PvP balance team” – there is only the balance team.

Yes, they are not going to make sweeping changes to balance before PAX. That is not completely because of PAX. Also, bigger patches don’t always equal better.

That’s not to say that certain things should or shouldn’t be adjusted, btw.

Thanks for the reply, i guess theres only one balance team and theres PvE team and PvP team who monitor the game and give feedback to The balance team.

ill make sure when people complain, ill tell them tha its the balance team to blame not the pvp team, lol.

as of big patch, personally i just want to get ride of this current stat of pvp asap, so i can play this game again..

Allie Murdock.8152:

Ok, now which is it? I have 3 different people saying that fun means 3 different things. This is what I meant when I said fun is subjective.

To some people, it’s fun to knock people off the edge of skyhammer. To others, it’s fun to be matched up against equally skilled players. To even more, it’s fun to feel like you’re great at the class you play.

That’s why the guy in the video said that you need to provide players more things for it to be fun, like better rewards, better meta, since fun is subjective. i’m sure everyone agree that only one mode is not going to be fun, since fun is subjective as you said.

its like saying some people like apple, some others like banana, and others like other fruits so im going to sell watermelon juice only in my juice store.

Allie Murdock.8152:

Arganthium.5638:

In allocating resources to Esports, I think he means the fairly large focus on the PAX tournament (although he might have slightly exaggerated it).

As for fun, I think he just means balance, and, if you saw his post from last week about spam, and the post that was on the same line of thought that I put up recently about skills being used more tactically and strategically than they currently are.

Sure, except the PAX event is being mostly managed by our events, marketing and community teams. No resources are being taken away from development for PAX.

As for fun, we understand that balance isn’t in it’s ideal place. This is why we have a balance team that focuses completely on balance. Time is needed to balance, it can’t be done at the snap of a finger.

i’ve heard that PvP balance team are not balancing anything because PAX is going on and the patch after PAX is over is not big balance patch either only the one after is a big balance is patch true.

Allie Murdock.8152:

Firstly, we have no qualm or rivalry with Helseth.

That aside, I have some questions, and would like to address some other points made.

1. What exactly do you mean by allocating resources to eSports?
2. What exactly is your definition of fun? Fun is subjective, no?

While we definitely appreciate it when players are vocal and provide feedback, excessive hyperbole does not help us to understand the fundamental issue.

Some more points:
1. The current meta is not controlled by the PvP team. Yes, we monitor it closely as balance greatly affects PvP. However, no resources are being taken away from PvP development in order to do balance. So I’d like to just squash that misconception now.

2. Skill effect clutter – another thing not controlled by the PvP team. Another thing that we monitor and provide feedback to the teams that do control it.

3. Sending out in-game mail is not as easy as it sounds. Keep in mind that every message that is sent has to be edited and localized.

• This is, however, something we recognize as an area to be improved. We are investigating ways to provide in-game messaging for events.

4. Lastly, I want to thank you for promoting the guildwars2pvptv channel. I always see a few people on the team with the stream always going on their 2nd/3rd monitors. Once PAX has past, we’ll be looking to better promote streamers from all areas of the game. So keep it up!!

Fun in giving more modes, better rewards. Fun in better meta
i think most people agree that only one mode is not fun, rewards are not that great, specially for tournaments, and that this current AoE condi spam, minion meta is not fun either.

as in clutter personally i think warriors skill effect are great. because they don’t really clutter the screen with all of the kittenness flashy effects and they are not bad looking either

Turamarth.3248:

@Lighter
He says condition warriors are easy to beat for him despite the fact he uses no condition cleanse on his mesmer.
Therefore his question why we use such a apparently weak build.

see? now thats how to start a thread

Turamarth.3248:

Lighter.5631:

Yea, i stopped reading here, you basically saying that you are getting owned by conditions without spec ing any in condition defense. that’s like saying i keep getting killed by enemy attacks because i don’t use my heal, my enemy must be easy mode.
don’t know if you are trolling or just being an idiot.

hihey.1075:

I beg your pardon?
I’ve clearly stated that I have 0 condition cleanse on MY mesmer; tell me where I said mesmers have no access to condition defense, please.
Seriously, people on the Warrior forums really need to improve their reading abilities, out of 3 replies I had 2 were totally out of place.

Guys, what I am asking is the purpose of a condi warrior. Granted, maybe the opponents I met were not so skilled, but I really had no problems against them, both as a thief and as a mesmer. I would include as an Elementalist too, since it is by far the class which has the best condi cleanse at my disposal.
What classes/combinations should be afraid of LB/S+S condi warriors? Guardians maybe?

Read again. He says that he can beat them easily with his mesmer.

So what’s this threads purpose? he made a thread saying that condition warriors are easy mode, and that his mesmer doesnt have condition removable.

then he says thakittens so easy to kill condition warriors.

what?

perhaps he should question himself about his thread making ability rather than our reading ability.

Iavra.8510:

Well, sorry to say so, but unless the mesmer entirely commits himself to condition cleanse, it’s an auto-win for the condi warrior.

/edit: Also the mesmer has to either take GS or be heavily specced for damage as warriors just outheal any damage otherwise.

mesmer dont need to spec heavily in condition cleanse against warrior because warrior is not the one who keeps throwing down multiple ranged AoEs with all type of conditions.

hihey.1075:

Lighter.5631:

hihey.1075:

Olba.5376:

So wait… you’re playing a Thief, a class notorious for being able to cleanse conditions at an alarming rate, and you come here talking about how Condition Warriors, a build notorious for not having a high output of conditions in the first place, is easy?

Yeah…

You forgot the Mesmer part, a class on which I have absolutely 0 condition cleanse. I only have 20% condition duration reduction for Hoelbrak runes, but that’s it.

if you think mesmer only has the runes to cleanse condi and think that condi warrior is your worst enemy, you should learn your class or quit it all at once.

I beg your pardon?
I’ve clearly stated that I have 0 condition cleanse on MY mesmer; tell me where I said mesmers have no access to condition defense, please.

Yea, i stopped reading here, you basically saying that you are getting owned by conditions without spec ing any in condition defense. that’s like saying i keep getting killed by enemy attacks because i don’t use my heal, my enemy must be easy mode.
don’t know if you are trolling or just being an idiot.

hihey.1075:

Olba.5376:

So wait… you’re playing a Thief, a class notorious for being able to cleanse conditions at an alarming rate, and you come here talking about how Condition Warriors, a build notorious for not having a high output of conditions in the first place, is easy?

Yeah…

You forgot the Mesmer part, a class on which I have absolutely 0 condition cleanse. I only have 20% condition duration reduction for Hoelbrak runes, but that’s it.

if you think mesmer only has the runes to cleanse condi and think that condi warrior is your worst enemy, you should learn your class or quit it all at once.

condition war doesnt bring enough stuff to the table for the team. sure it works great on hotjoin or 1v1 vs not so good player in wvw or duel room. condi spam is the meta now, deal with it, get -condi dura food rune because i assume you play wvw. everyone who complaints about warrior in this section are wvw player from what i know.

Tammuz.7361:

peter.9024:

gwfanboy.2496:

First tip from a fellow necro..don’t play a minion necro and expect to win in the majority of fights.

I advise you to check the current Necro meta builds that can easily destroy warriors.

As for WvW, necros are screwed due to condi reduction food. Has nothing to do with warriors.

Except necros also have access to +condi duration food..

which completely negates the condi reduction food 100%

then run something else. everyone in wvw can use – condi dura food with runes

I have countered this problem multiple times before playing PvP
its most likely because the game is ABOUT to patch, just wait abit

Because a thief should be overwhelmingly better than warrior 1v1, not struggle at all. Warrior is already one of the best at PvE, ZvZ, GvG (where the thief sucks), it stands to reason the thief should crush the warrior no questions asked.

Last couple of patches overtuned warrior mobility, sustainability, and CC, so now they are too good at everything and needs to be brought down a couple of nothces.

i think it’s an underserved nerf. now we have to slot a stun breaker??

Berserker Stance removes ZERO conditions. It is preventative only. You cannot pop it after the conditions are already on you to make them fall off.

Should learn your class then it reduces duration by 100% that means they are removed.

best one (both in the same thread):

I am in ebg jp where alot of dueling takes place and this one war is camping 4 level 80s (we got no mesmers or engineers so no flavor of the month proffessions to help)

He uses sword/shield and then greatsword. He stuns someone for about 7 seconds and he does this almost every 15-20 seconds. In that stun you get bursted about 13k if you are in pvt gear but not running a tank build.
This war is running pvt gear and a tanky build as no one is hitting high on him at all yet hes dealing 13k dmg burst and stunning someone for about 7 seconds every 15-20 seconds.
His greatsword is am amazing gap closer of course and amazing at running away with low cooldown gap closing abilities.

The stun is melee range so just don’t let him get close.

lol they can just use a gap closer then use the stun. besides most of them pack a long range weapon too.

So what, sword and mace main hand with shield offhand, a greatsword for HB and gap closer and a range weapon as once, so OP!

i would like to see minion builds, AoE spam and AoE being more effective then single target get erased from the game all at once.

i would rather get a move able, damage taking able, active skill usable at range without a long kitten pick up and drop time minions.

dank.3680:

Hunter.4783:

dank.3680:

Hunter.4783:

Kinda funny because when I am fighting people in wvw, even bads, they still manage to drop me at 50% health or so depending on the class, and I still have to try. Even on my thief or guard I still have to pay attention because not everyone is as bad as they appear.

Whats funny is if I was fighting those 4 “bads” in the video on my Mesmer I most likely would have kill them all and not gotten close to 50% hp. WITHOUT running into spawn 10 times..

Aren’t you posting on the wrong forums then?

No.. I’ve listed my 5 active characters in my signature long ago. Wow, would ya look at that I play a Warrior also..

because he’s either a troll or a real idiot who cant feel embarrassment

FirstBlood.7359:

Ironically, on the hand Helseth promotes deathmatch, on the other he complains about skill effects cluttering his screen. How is a teamfight at mid point different from deathmatch?

They are not the same thing, please look at them separately. deathmatch is like midpoint fight, and capture points spread players all over the map which is difficult for the shoutcasters (not good for casual players, lowering playerbase). and skill effects cluttering is just another thing, they can just adjust the effect to make it more watchable and enjoyable,
CONCLUDE, the animation effect doesnt change the fact NOR has anything to do with deathmatch will be more enjoyable to watch(for casual players) then players all over the place and you can only see a few of them and miss out the big play. (which is tolerable, theres alot of esport games(old, big ones) had this difficulty)
AGAIN, he’s just talking about making the game fun for more people, and that competitiveness will born itself in a huge player base and not by force. look at warcraft 3 and dota, CS, cod4 and cod4 promod, heck maybe even SC(which i dont play).

i can’t believe this thread is still going on. these guys are still not embarrassed enough?

sorrow.2364:

Krayiss.4926:

So you like the current meta the most right now?
I thought all the top tier players would rather have the old meta?
I was thinking that this meta is really the worst especially for GW2 first tournament Pax.

Shout casters as of late- “omg 25 stacks of bleed and the burning, OH HE WAS 1 SHOT!!!!” OMG I’ve never seen it bef…"

So, I guess that you’re not capable of reasoning and the only thing you do is taking what top tier players say and swallow it as truth.

Top tier players have all the reasons of this world to be conservative about the meta that made them top tier. You know, being forced to learn a new profession in order to jump the meta bandwagon isn’t a good thing for top players.

Since launch, the team composition has been pretty much the same. This meta has completely changed it, that’s why every single top player is upset about it.

It isn’t even a mystery that the most vocal “top players” about the “obscenity” of this meta are the one which had their main profession hurt by this meta (Mesmers and Elementalists, mainly).

So, yeah, keep parroting what top players say if you like.

look we have a smart kitten right here

ronpierce.2760:

Lighter.5631:

yea yea kitable killable do that while necro spamming them condis on you.

There aren’t many Condition-based MMs out there, and those that are have to give up either a ton of condition damage and things like terror for minion damage to even matter, or just have weak pets and aren’t using useful traits. If a necro wants to go Condi build, minions are the least of anyones’ worries…

Despite popular belief, necros aren’t running 30/30/30/30/30 and 10 utilities. Good Condi necros are terror based and not MMs.

and how does it change the fact that the enemies will kill you while you killing them minions. yes yes zerker nubs, ok i spec for tankier, how long does it take to kill minions?Oh those minions are all kittable killable ccable, i dont even know why would you bring up glitchable because thats against the rules.
tell me how to kill them minions, auto attack? burst? leave you with nothing to kill the master after? use your stability because minion and master keep CC you while you trying to kill it? so you dont have it for later? please teach me your way to kit them minions while fighting with its master. no, 2 minions is not bad, but when you are fighting a group of 3 minion necro 1 spirit ranger and 1 mesmer thats were gets frustrating, you can’t even see a kitten thing how can you even target someone because the minions keep get in the way not to mention when they are asuras and they also keep taking important attacks for the actual enemies, did i mention that turrets are ai too? they are not that bad because they dont move and engi dont summon a tons of them except elite with long cd, oh and aoe spam able you say? i guess we are all back to necro, engi and ranger or maybe mesmer again. and yes im a raging noob, i dont even know why am i back to this forums or this game, thanks for reminding me to leave again, yet i might come back some time when i’m bored. made by the casuals for casuals, good thing.

yea yea kitable killable do that while the actual enemy spamming them condis on you.

i would like more combo fields actually.