Necromancer: For the necromancer, we felt that a few traits and skills were too powerful, while others were lacking in efficacy. We brought down some of the raw DPS conditions that necromancer enjoys, while also maintaining their pressure and sustain elements. The necromancer’s mobility will remain where it is currently, as we want the Necromancers to be focused on sustaining themselves through death shroud, siphoning health, and slowing down their opponent’s ability to act.
Charr can be somewhat tricky to robe up with a armor for necro especialy females. I can think of only 2 possible matching set, Winged feathered combo and Orrian. Because lets face it COF is more for elementalist. As for where the charr stands in the dialogue it aint much more agressive or wicked then the asura is the main diffrence is:
The asura talk like if it was a superior behing or something, is highly arrogant and use a lot of scientifical therm such as ‘’Endurance level is to low’’ talking like if he was a computer.
The charr use a lot of soldier themed therms ‘’i cant remember my orders’’(confused)
“all charr, no matter what their profession, consider themselves soldiers”
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Well.. just because it’s short range-ish, why did you pick the Ranger’s Greatsword as a template for what you feel the Engi Rifle should be, lol. There’s no logic here, really.
The Rifle is indeed quite difficult compared to most weapons when actually trying to get the damage out. Blunderbus is very choosy on whether it wants to hit or not. It only strikes things directly in front of the player, pretty much.
maul=similar damage, range and cooldown. similar effects (gs 4 on ranger is a weaker net shot) rifle 5 is similar to swoop. and gs 5 is similar to rifle 4. overall they are similar weapons both in performance, but maul has a higher damage ceiling than blunderbuss without going full glass.
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Love killing warriors with legendarys while roaming solo with my ranger #BestFeelingEver
Isn’t it strange that legendaries give the initial impression that the wielder is an experienced/skilled player when in fact they pretty much mean nothing at all?
Even if you’re consciously aware that legendaries don’t really have any prestige attached to them, the initial impulse when you see someone using one is kinda like “Ah, this guy thinks he’s hot kitten, I’ll show him what’s what!”
<— owns a Twilight.
heyy u hurt my feelings :P heheh kidding, just kidding… honestly though, i do suck at pvp
i’m sure zhaitan is real impressed with your twilight then.
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im not entirely sure what you are trying to say here
why isn’t blunderbuss at the same cooldown of maul?
(you might not know what i’m saying because the forum gods decided to turn ‘is not it’ abbreviated into isn’kitten.’)
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it’s alright i guess. i started playing this profession as it was advertised to be able to rival the lich king in power, instead i’m struggling to keep up with count chocula.
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They actually dont… first of all it doesnt add damage, second, its not gonna be used in any but 3 builds, that guard heal will be very rare compared to shelter and their signet, not as rare as our since its kitten, but still very rare.
brb, healing for 35 on a dagger attack. character swap
brb, healing for 300 on a greatsword attack.
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Haha at this point getting posts from Bhawb, nemesis or rennoko is our version of a red post
Pretty much.
@Lightsbane: While Norjena’s post is painful to read, he is correct. You are talking about burst damage, not DPS. He is talking about DPS. A weapon can have high burst damage (Warrior Rifle with Kill Shot) and have low DPS. If I do 10k damage once every 20 seconds, I have 500 DPS. If I do 1200 damage every 2 seconds, I have 600 DPS.
Neither is bad, they’re just better in different situations.
Now, I am not familiar enough with Warrior Rifle to say if it has higher or lower DPS than any other ranged weapon, so I cannot comment on the accuracy of that claim, but you were trying to make your point based off of burst and claiming it to be DPS when they are very much two different things.
i’m not actually. warrior’s rifle has both. volley hits harder(dps), plus it gets a one shot(burst). combining the statistics of both makes for higher damage per second. bleeds add to dps as well so, yep. any questions?
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^ kitten necro isn’t hopeless.. Whining about thing we don’t have is easy, get experienced in the things we do have is something else. Kinda sad that you say this about your own profession.
Thieves and Mesmers just got an advantage because of all these things (I dislike stealth the most) , BUT, if you spend more time duelling/battling these professions you can learn yourself what to do when they pop up and how you deal with em..
If you don’t want to get armor damage, go to spvp to learn the mechanics of the profession you fight against .. This is a big advantage, knowing what your enemy is capable of..
i’ve killed countless mesmers and thieves. and it was not because of my advantages. it was because they failed to exploit theirs. necromancer’s advantage is damage mitigation(conditions are damage, transferring them is part of mitigation). that is all we have to go with in any fight. hammer warrior? 90% of the time you’re kitten’d. daze spam thieves? have fun. we have no escapes(lolfleshwurm)
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okay, cool. has anyone been one shotted in wvw or pvp by a necro with an axe? no?
how about a warrior? you seriously have no idea what you’re saying and it reads like it. not only that, but your logic is circular. ‘difference is, i don’t tell lies. if something is wrong, it is wrong, even if it is not my opinion.’ your opinion is that necro axe is stronger than warrior’s rifle. so by simple demonstration, you’re wrong. and uh, that’s “not my opinion”
volley>ghastly claws.
now please stop this nonsensical argument. this thread is not about your uneducated opinion. it is about the failure that is our axe damage and that it needs attention.
U talk about DPS when u mean Burst. And sry, 1shottet by a rifle warrior? L2P, even a 200% Axe buff will not help u, u will still get 1shotted.
And DPS is Axe>Rifle, that´s what U talked about. Burst ok, Rifle has got 1 7 – 10 seconds cooldown. With a 1 3/4 second, easy to see animation. This is Burst, but the DPS of this weapon is bad, and rifle warrios are usually free kills.
Don´t talk about dps, when u mean burst. That´s a big and important diffrent. Try to see the class and her tools as a whole, don´t compare skill by skill. That´s close minded.
I said most times here. Axe AA is too weak and needs a buff, dps and/or utility (possibel torment or bleedings), and Axe 3 needs something like an explosion finisher.
Axe 2 is ok, possibel a few percent more dps, but for a range 2 1/2 channeld skill which is usable while moving, the dmg is ok.
sigh.
/fifteen chars.
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except warrior rifle is one of the highest ranged dps in the game.
LoL, never. Longbows does more DPS then rifle. It has 1 easy to dogde skill with high dmg per hit, but aweful dps.
Best DPS range weapon is Ele staff fire, well traited more dps then a warrior melee. After this, engineer with granades think, or scepter on guard if u´re fighting vs targets with a big hitbox (scepter 2 can hit 16 times on them).
Im talking about PvE, where DPS rly matters.
you have no idea what you’re talking about. please go back to warrior forums as it is obviously your main.
Nope, you´re the one with no idea talking about. Rifle is bad dps, and a bad PvP weapon.
Staff ele, engineer ranger and guards do definitly more dps then a rifle warrior. And LB is at the moment the better range weapon in terms of raw dps.
Oh, and my main is not warr, it´s guard.
The diffrent is, i don´t tell lies. If something is wrong, it is wrong, even it is not my opinion.
And Necromancer Axe + DS1 dps is >warrior with rifle, by far. Only 600 range ok, but more dps.
okay, cool. has anyone been one shotted in wvw or pvp by a necro with an axe? no?
how about a warrior? you seriously have no idea what you’re saying and it reads like it. not only that, but your logic is circular. ‘difference is, i don’t tell lies. if something is wrong, it is wrong, even if it is not my opinion.’ your opinion is that necro axe is stronger than warrior’s rifle. so by simple demonstration, you’re wrong. and uh, that’s “not my opinion”
volley>ghastly claws.
now please stop this nonsensical argument. this thread is not about your uneducated opinion. it is about the failure that is our axe damage and that it needs attention.
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Why do people still go around expecting red posts in threads when the only time we got them with any kind of frequency was during Peters’ initiative to talk more?
The Necro forums don’t get red posts, its just how it is, get used to it.
Guardians got a red post when they asked for buffs on scepter. I don’t see why necros should be different.
more player population playing guardian, more attention from developers. necro and engineer forums don’t see much response.
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I ran through Straits of Devastation last night with a group of about 8 people, trying to figure out how to start the Eye of Zhaitan event. It was actually quite fun, and I went places I’ve never really been before. We got to do some events that nobody does, kill some epic bosses, use some really cool environmental weapons, and confusing catacombs. It made me realize how FUN this zone actual can be when you are not alone and getting roflstomped by risen at every turn. There is so much to do, so many places to go, so many events. The only problem is that the events that contest waypoints respawn about every 10 minutes. I got tired of killing the same Risen Acolyte Leader just so people could wp to my group.
The problem is too many people guide their gaming experience based on rewards. If it takes too long to do, or doesn’t drop a chest, they won’t do it. Never mind the fun…who plays games for fun anyways. It’s all about VIRTUAL PROFIT!
Gotta say my aversion to Orr fits quite neatly into the opposite of your point. Rewards are better there (nicer drops for mats etc), but the place is not fun and is ugly to boot. That of course is my personal opinion and others may differ. I’d much rather have more places like Bloodtide coast, where it is bright and sunny.
well with Zhaitan dead, there’s no reason Orr can’t be rebuilt.
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axe needs to be reworked into a melee weapon, as it will be the only way it will get a needed damage increase.
staff is interesting, as the idea of ‘marks’ just doesn’t sit well with me on what i know gw1 necro was. it is definitely a condition weapon, but for some reason i wish it wasn’t. (mainly because necro has no ranged dps at all excluding DS)
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except warrior rifle is one of the highest ranged dps in the game.
LoL, never. Longbows does more DPS then rifle. It has 1 easy to dogde skill with high dmg per hit, but aweful dps.
Best DPS range weapon is Ele staff fire, well traited more dps then a warrior melee. After this, engineer with granades think, or scepter on guard if u´re fighting vs targets with a big hitbox (scepter 2 can hit 16 times on them).
Im talking about PvE, where DPS rly matters.
you have no idea what you’re talking about. please go back to warrior forums as it is obviously your main.
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Why by hell can´´t i do 90k Rifle 4 with my warrior even fullbuffed? So sad….crappy rifle, should get a complete rework….i want GS or Axe DPS!
And don´t say rifle has 1200 range….Axe 2+ DS has by far superior DPS to rifle in 600 range.
If Axe 2+Axe1+DS1 can do Dagger DPS, why should any1 use a dagger? Yes ok, buff Dagger DPS to be on par with warr and Axe tobe on par with the old dagger…in PvE ok.
But in PvP/WvsW it can be a problem. But they said that they want to balance diffrently in these 3 parts of the game.
So we can hope.
Oh, and traited crippel, is in tactics, this “high dps” GS warrs can´t pick it. And the root last for only 1 second. And as said, the last hit of 100B does a bing amount of dmg done by this skill.
In PvP/WvsW a “classic” Powerbuild like 30/10/0/0/30 has more utility and defensive possibilities then warrior builds like this.
And the 30 points Defense/Tactic warrs are not superior in DPS.
except warrior rifle is one of the highest ranged dps in the game.
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SBI sooooo many baddies. I just love fighting you guys. SBI bay last night was a bumper crop. I guess at some point you took it back, but while the WS/TUNE train was rolling it was nothing but a trail of tears from inner to outer gate. Only group even worthy of sharing the field with us was the idk 10-12 man abyss group we kept encountering in the bloodlust spots. You guys were pretty aggressive, and you caught half of us with our pants down one time, but we owned the rest of our encounters. Even with the baddie level I’ve said it before and I’ll say it a again SBI are fighters. As soon as the numbers get to be pretty even or your guys have more you come out and fight. No tower hugging, lots of siege on SBI BL but you guys came out and fought. The 10 of us must have had 30 of you at north camp after a good 25 minute pitched fight.You guys were sure as kitten gonna make sure we were all dead or gone. Coverage will win this match like every W3 match, wish i could get in on some of SBI’s prime time and maybe find more good players cause the PST/OCX crew on SBI BL last night was GARBAGE!!! I’ll have us there again tonight after 7PM PST msg. me in-game to prove me wrong we run 5-8 nightly.
by pure logic of statistics, there’s more of you on any map at any time. so i’d say statistically you have more baddies. we’re just bad at zerging.
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the flame legion, absolutely. i think they might actually come back into being a powerful faction in the citadel if the powers that be ever loosen the noose on state-sanctioned banning of worship of deities(not to say i don’t agree with their decision to kick the gods out)
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Dear RISE guild from SBI please contain your troll Escorpionking from hurting our server and being a troll Thanks! No reason for our own server to kill our golems its pure B.S.
I no longer have any respect for RISE also OLAF hes in your guild.
that’s a cool story bro. let it be known that SBI sucked at zerging before we arrived and still sucks at it after we set up shop here.
2 things i’ve noticed coming from GoM:
1.sbi guild micromanagement seems to be nonexistent
2. when it exists, the only communication that exists is between the guild or teamspeak. team chat is often silent. these were not problems on Gate of Madness(what the problem was, was turnout. sbi does not have this issue.)
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I Told you smack talking clowns before… You aren’t facing the true SBI force.
SBI consists predominantly of Americans and thus, Our Major American Holiday effects us far more than it effects you.
Talk all the Smack you want.. It’s not an excuse. It’s a Fact.
I’m excited to meet yaks or Ebay again. Without their puss-mode, scrub alliance….
and without the Holiday week mid match.
You folks are in for a REAL treat : )
While Yaks and EB may have earned their place in the same category as SBI. They simply cannot beat us Straight up.
Straight up is the Full force of SBI vs the Full force of Yaks or EB.
They couldn’t beat us in the past.
Enjoy your opportunistic victory…
Hope to see you both… REAL soon.
Onmicidal SBI.
I’m not exactly sure what your ‘boo-ya’ moment is in reference to. Is it because you are ticking as high as YB and 60 or so higher than EBay? It’s not the first time this week we’ve seen SBI field a competitive team. That’s kind of the point of this whole week. No matter what you do, you still don’t win even though based on past results you should anyways.
irony in that is you shouldn’t be in second place at all. and you wouldn’t be if not for the server in first place.
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i think the best way to rework axe is to make it melee :/ it would definitely give it a chain. i don’t see any reason axe 2 can’t perform similarly to 100b, i mean necro gets the only axe flurry.
It does perform “similarly”. The problem is that it cannot be as strong as 100b because of the differences in the skill. Making it melee doesn’t make sense. It’d be a direct case of either Dagger > Axe, or Axe > Dagger, and either way one weapon invalidates the other in 95% of situations if you make that change.
100b:
Melee
Roots you for channel duration
3.5s duration
Has a lot of back-ended damage (if you miss the very last hit you lose out on a ton of the damage)
Axe 2
600 range
You can not only walk around while channeling, but also turn
2.5s duration
Damage is equally spread over every single hit
Also gives sustain through LF
Now, obviously 100b works perfectly for PvE because if you’re remotely smart about using it, you can get off perfect 100bs almost on CD. In this case, the larger damage output from it makes more sense. Also you pair that with the fact that warriors have stronger self (and party) buffing, and their already strong 100b gets even stronger.
Making Axe 2 higher damage to match 100b is not going to happen. It makes no sense balance wise. What they should do is give it one of the many ideas that people have put out here, but most of which come down to: Axe 2 needs to be reworked in functionality, and Axe 1 needs a slight buff.
this is my reasoning behind making our axe melee as well. it will do more damage by simple fact of mmo reasoning: in close, more risk/damage. instead of kiting though, axe 3 would work as a gap closer. perhaps rework axe 2 into a four-hit skill at melee range with the same amount of damage output as blurred frenzy.(blurred frenzy has the same amount of hits as 100b but far less damage, and a much faster cast time) if that happened to axe, i don’t believe anyone would complain, as ghastly claws would still retain the same skill name, function, and have a shorter cast time by a whole second probably. plus, if you don’t run focus, you have a lot more incentive to do so now. this would also make tankomancer incredibly fun and minionmancer more hilarious than it currently is. if they want to bring necromancer out of the condition purgatory it’s currently in i think this is a great way to do it.
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i think the best way to rework axe is to make it melee :/ it would definitely give it a chain. i don’t see any reason axe 2 can’t perform similarly to 100b, i mean necro gets the only axe flurry.
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If you use kits? IF you use kits?! IF you use kits?!?!
Dude that’s like you would say “Mesmer are just good if they use illusions” o.O It’s our main mechanic to use kits wtf o.O At least one is a must.
‘IF they use KITS?!!!!" are you serious dude? mesmers use illusions regardless if they slot phantasms in their utility slots or not, so awful comparison is awful. i use one kit, and there are fantastic builds that don’t even use them. you remind me of those shortbow rangers tho think the greatest thing in the universe is the 1 key. our main mechanic is our toolbelt just like mesmer’s main mechanic is shattering its illusions.
Show me a build that is efficient in PvE dungeons or fotm without using a kit. That’d be great.
kay, hgh rifle build.
done.
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If you use kits? IF you use kits?! IF you use kits?!?!
Dude that’s like you would say “Mesmer are just good if they use illusions” o.O It’s our main mechanic to use kits wtf o.O At least one is a must.
‘IF they use KITS?!!!!" are you serious dude? mesmers use illusions regardless if they slot phantasms in their utility slots or not, so awful comparison is awful. i use one kit, and there are fantastic builds that don’t even use them. you remind me of those shortbow rangers tho think the greatest thing in the universe is the 1 key. our main mechanic is our toolbelt just like mesmer’s main mechanic is shattering its illusions.
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This profession system is not R/P/S. The build mechanics have a great deal of R/P/S to them, but still there are no 100% hard counters as long as you can recognize strengths and weaknesses and game plan accordingly. Some matchups will always be harder than others, but I’ve never found one I simply couldn’t win through outplaying my opponent.
i have. it’s called perplexity try hards.
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Necromancer
Putrid Mark: Changed the description to match the actual functionality of this skill.
Marks: Fixed an issue that caused staff marks to go on full cooldown when aborted/interrupted.
Shadow Fiend—Haunt: Updated the blind skill fact to display the proper duration.
thanks?
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after this if we take into account the fact that the warrior auto causes bleed and the engineer auto pierces the engineer auto still comes out on top. This is before introducing traits after which point the engineer auto pulls ahead by a large margin.
yet warrior’s does more damage anyway. i’d say a warrior with as much crit chance and damage as me could crit about 1k auto attacks. lets not forget that all of their skills are long ranged, do more damage, and on top of that they have a one shot with it.
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I have a 43 engineer now, which i have been running condition on. What gear, weapons, skills and such would you recommend to get the most out of my character?
dire.
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problem with engineer: most people play like bomb kit is the only thing in existence, or that people don’t assume there are builds that don’t use kits at all and aren’t HGH. i run a high toughness, high vitality single kit build with plenty of self cleanses, my stacks of might amount to 0 unless someone blasts a fire field and can 1v3 usually. i don’t normally roam either. it’s too bad i don’t record my fights, people could get some serious laughs at how hilariously i’ve failed(using OC shot on the edge of a cliff) and how epically i’ve succeeded(fought a guardian for 30 minutes and won). the problem with engineer is that the people who try to know everything about the class by doing specifically pve or spvp really have a handicap that they don’t need to have. wvw does make you a better player.
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At 3 seconds of stability every 10 seconds when traited and requiring no slot, FitG is far too powerful to be moved down a tier.
it is sad to see a statement like this so far into the game. I guess the ignorance of it still eludes some.
to actually take advantage of this stability uptime you would end up never using any of your lifeforce to mitigate damage and never using any DS skill with a cast time because you are just flashing in and out of DS for the buff.
the devs failed at a fundamental level when they decided not to provide us with the best access to stability to go along with their vision of a necro with kitten mobility.
If you only played a necro in wvw/pvp you would think CC is broken in this game.
and that one. like this one too.
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I agree. I must disagree with those who ask for vigor as avoiding damage doesn’t suite Necro so well. But stability, for a “fight or die” profession feels only appropriate.
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I am not of the mind that dagger 1 needs any cleave/damage changes. It is a workable weapon right now (needs small changes but not in that direction) so don’t fix what isn’t broken.
I had kind of assumingly I guess (probably because I was talking with ronpierce at the same time) thought it was cleave at the same time as the changes.
Here is the problem with axe that isn’t really addressed often enough: a massive identity crisis. Until you actually say “this is what axe is” you can never fix it. As it is right now, Axe 1 is a vulnerability stacking AA; a support skill. Axe 2 is a single target channeled “nuke”; a medium single target DPS skill. Axe 3 is a PBAoE cripple, boon strip, and retal for you; AoE support and tanking. Overall, axe is a 600 range, single target DPS, AoE control/support, power weapon.
That is why any damage condition I am against; why do we want to add more confusion to a confused weapon set. Same with gap closers and such, it is a ranged weapon with no current need or mechanics as that.
Turn it into an AoE DPS weapon with a little control support. Less utility than staff, but better damage.
Axe 1 – Now a chain. First attack is the current Axe 1, functions the same but cleaves, Axe 1 part 2 would be a small channeled attack, single target
Axe 1: Rending Claws – same mechanics as now, but with cleave
Axe 1 chain: channel for 1s, hitting three times for 1% LF per hit dealing similar damage as it does now (maybe cleaving?)
Axe 2: A frontal cone attack, after a short cast (1/4s) ghastly axes rip through the ground moving fairly quickly (but a very fast opponent should be able to dodge) and dealing high damage, returning 5% LF per opponent hit – 10s CD
Alternate idea: same entire concept, a frontal cone that has a slight travel time and can deal very high damage (with appropriate investment) along with LF gain per hit. But change the looks, and give it a blind component
Axe 3: Unholy Feast
i’m liking this one the best. and it would put us on par with warrior axe, minus the ridiculous eviscerate. kitten, why not even give our axe a similar chain.
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judging by nearly every addition(or removal), buff, or nerf to necromancer, it almost always buffs condimancers and nerfs power. i can’t be the only one noticing this.
dhuumfire was a huge buff to condition users, meanwhile power gets no real ranged dps weapon that would even make some sort of buff possible. so far i’m waiting to contribute any sort of real constructive(lol) criticism for when the addition of “new” weapons shows up.(i am almost positive we will be seeing aquatic weapons go universal and a greatsword, so i’m sorry if you don’t want gsword.)
point being, expect condition builds to benefit from the 12/10 patch, and power builds not to suffer but certainly not to benefit.
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