Guild Wars 2

kyubi.3620:

Boss fight in mmo are meant to take a while to kill. Maybe 10 minute is exageration but a boss typicaly at least need a good 30 second to at least start becoming challanging.

At some point, a boss battle becomes monotonous, because your skills have all finished their cool downs and you’re stuck doing the same things over and over and over again. So what you’re asking for is more grind, more monotony.

HIDRONIO.2135:

They could add a restriction to the level of those who use the tools, however I do not think a low level character can be in orr collecting.

I currently have a level 8 in Cursed Shore. Lol

deSade.9437:

Are you that oblivious? I guess you just don’t want to see the truth… anet’s truth, in case you’re wondering. The only one that matters here, and you better remember that.

:(

deSade.9437:

But this subforum should be deleted. Hope it will soon.

D: why?

<3

hunger games salute

Agree with your points.

Yeah really, there’s no need to be afraid.

I’ll take some folks Friday if y’all wanna plan in doing some super long or fun time TA run.

I’ll bring my guardian.

Gaile Gray.6029:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Except a discredit system for kicking in groups for dungeons would not work based on the ability for everyone in the region to join any group without care that is posted. It would be unfair to a group to get discredited for kicking a low level after asking for an 80, same for any other requirements that a group desires.

Also, if a person disconnects, should a group have to wait 15 minutes for the person to be auto kicked in order to get a new player? That’s absurd.

This is a suitable addition/response to the suggestion thread that mr may post in the forums. It’s a bit off topic of the subject at hand here in Account Issues Sub-forum.

Figured that since that topic was not posted by mercury ATM I would say my piece. I think it is dangerous to have developers be fed these notions without discussing the complete picture.

Anyway, if Mercury posts it I will certainly respond to their thread.

Except a discredit system for kicking in groups for dungeons would not work based on the ability for everyone in the region to join any group without care that is posted. It would be unfair to a group to get discredited for kicking a low level after asking for an 80, same for any other requirements that a group desires.

Also, if a person disconnects, should a group have to wait 15 minutes for the person to be auto kicked in order to get a new player? That’s absurd.

I think his idea of having people have to accept a person into their group is completely valid and would help more than just sellers. It would help people who want to be able to filter the types of players they get, be it by build, class, AP, or whatever they want. (Because, play how you want)

It’s not right for any reason, for someone to destroy another persons instance. Especially not because they feel like they’re being white knight savior of the people.

This absolutely resides in the right place, considering the obvious and blatant bug with party merging.

Elrey.5472:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Elrey.5472:

J Eberle.9312:

Also, immersion in any dungeon is just… no, however Divinity’s Reach on Tarnished Coast has got you covered if that’s what you’re after.

You clearly never played a raid in Lotro. When you had to be inside 4-5 hours, believe me, the inmersion was pretty fun for a “dungeon”. There were people roleplaying between enemies pulls and having fun. Others, the elitists, were just having a blast killing everything and never running past enemies :P.

I think that’s what i miss in gw2 dungeons.

How many people at a time could be in a lotro dungeon? Just wondering.

Also, I think it’s fair to say I will not RP with randoms in a pug. With my guild, however, all dungeons are outlets for RP and even ERP

there are dungeons of 3 players, 6 players, 12 players and 24 players. The last ones are considered raids, though. Nevertheless, i was just suggesting that getting immersion in a dungeon is pretty fun and also possible. Anet has done a lot of things right, but dungeons isn’t one of them, except imo Aether.

It is possible, and I do get immersion, but not with pugs. There’s no reason for me to feel connected to content while doing it with random heroes that I don’t give any craps about…. It’s just not something, from an RP standpoint, that makes sense to me.

frans.8092:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Level 8 thief ^^

And my ranger

Can I ask where those come from? I get the thief top, but the ranger’s? And the skirts?

The thief skirt is the Magitech skirt, and the top for the ranger is the Krytan armor top and the skirt is the norn t2 cultural.

Iason Evan.3806:

Are the Largos those Dark Elf Emo Manta Ray dudes?

Aye.

eleshazar.6902:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Silferas.3841:

kyubi.3620:

its not about the number of people that can do it its about the fact it can be done.

This is exactly why we can never agree on anything. Nerfing the top 1% because of irrational envy is disgusting to me. I am not in the 1%, probably never will be, but people who try to drag others down to their own level by force make me want to puke.

Where will any motivation to get better at the game be, when no matter how hard you try, you won’t be able to get results better than the scrub standing next to you? Why would people want to play dungeons at all then? This game doesn’t have gear progression like other MMOs do, everything here is about the progression of your own skill. When you nerf that, there will be NOTHING left.

I don’t think anyone could have said it better. +1

Does this remind anyone of current political movements in America? :P Nerf the top 1% because the other 99% isn’t up there with them….

Personally I feel there is a significant difference between a game and whether or not the 99% has food on their table.

Anyway, what anet/OP wants is actually more akin to a damage tax on 100% of the player population. Nerfing zerker will hurt casuals as well.

Now, like I said, buffing casual builds or just buffing other stats is better. While leaving the 1% as they are and buffing the rest.

The reason this isn’t comparable to real world economics is because there is no inflation on gear stats. Buffing them does not hurt the “gear stat” economy.

kyubi.3620:

within 7 second what lupicus can even do to you? Its more a mather of pre battle preparation then an actual fighting issue. I believe within 7 second lupicus will likely do 1 to 2 move and its likely not gunna be a lethal one but i might be wrong so ill go check that video once im home to see how well their fight went.

Well, the 7 seconds is how long it took for them to dps it down. They spent a few more seconds preparing for the fight by stacking important boons.

Silferas.3841:

kyubi.3620:

its not about the number of people that can do it its about the fact it can be done.

This is exactly why we can never agree on anything. Nerfing the top 1% because of irrational envy is disgusting to me. I am not in the 1%, probably never will be, but people who try to drag others down to their own level by force make me want to puke.

Where will any motivation to get better at the game be, when no matter how hard you try, you won’t be able to get results better than the scrub standing next to you? Why would people want to play dungeons at all then? This game doesn’t have gear progression like other MMOs do, everything here is about the progression of your own skill. When you nerf that, there will be NOTHING left.

I don’t think anyone could have said it better. +1

Xae.7204:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Xae.7204:

kyubi.3620:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Lupicus-World-Record-7-033-seconds-by-rT/first#post3560931

Im bringing this topic to the profession balance topic so to make sure the dev see the abomination damage builds have wrought upon the pve part of the game… how can they pretend the game is balanced when a well organised team can down lupicus in 7 second.

Idk what the exact culprit is but it needs some attending to

The exact culprit is +Crit and +Crit Damage. They were dumb stats to ever add to gear.

Tbh I feel the same about
+healing power
+vitality

I can see your point, but I disagree.

Crit is always dangerous. Always.

Nearly every MMO that has added +Crit(Damage) to gear has had to nerf it.

Having too much health (cough bosses cough) can be fairly dangerous too. And regeneration with healing power can be dangerous….

My point is not that these stats should be nerfed. I think that all stats (apart from zerk) should be buffed so that they are actually useful in pve. As long as there is no trinity, dps will always be the meta. If they buff things like condition damage, it might be worth having 2 builds that are meta.

There’s.. Other options.

Why kill berserker? Why not ask for the buffing of other builds, rather than “developers, kill this! Murder this!” First of all your language is harsh and not conducive to constructive feedback. Second of all, why aren’t you asking for people to be on an equal playing field? Cleric and tank builds are working as intended. You can sit and not dodge once in this fight. What berserker does is take off the training wheels and force you to utilize skill to defeat something. I just don’t understand why you want to nerf something that requires skill into oblivion.

Aza.2105:

You only have yourselves to blame when this gets nerfed to oblivion. If I were you guys I’d keep this stuff under the table so they don’t nerf it. But since you insist on being seen by others/getting attention and recognition. Then do not be upset when they change it one of these days.

They won’t be. They can do this boss naked, so it’ll only hurt casuals when it gets nerfed. And that’s fine.

I don’t have any gear requirements on mine because I don’t run full meta (I don’t want to be hypocritical). So I’ll take anyone into easier dungeons. And teach them how. I just don’t want anyone thinking I’d be good teaching them anything other than TA or CoE and such, lol.

#Lilith’saCasualRPNoob

Odinsfury.8360:

I am looking at the Watchwork Pick in the store right now and it doesn’t say that it has a chance to give sprockets on gathering. Do you have to buy it before you see this?

News page

A recent breakthrough in mining technology has let us make a new infinite mining pick. This self-repairing pick has a chance to add a Watchwork Sprocket to the rewards when used to mine ore veins!

Beldin.5498:

laokoko.7403:

maybe centaur, quaggans, skritt, tengu, Kodan, largos can form an evil alliance.

Don’t ask me why quaggans are evil.

Haha .. Centaurs .. i can already see all the complaints about armor clipping especially with leg armor

(Relevance, this is what centaurs might have for leg armor)

I can see it now:

Xae.7204:

kyubi.3620:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Lupicus-World-Record-7-033-seconds-by-rT/first#post3560931

Im bringing this topic to the profession balance topic so to make sure the dev see the abomination damage builds have wrought upon the pve part of the game… how can they pretend the game is balanced when a well organised team can down lupicus in 7 second.

Idk what the exact culprit is but it needs some attending to

The exact culprit is +Crit and +Crit Damage. They were dumb stats to ever add to gear.

Tbh I feel the same about
+healing power
+vitality

Dardamaniac.1295:

Sanderinoa.8065:

I dream of a world in which people visit the dungeon forums for any reason which does not involve insulting/blaming people or just plain ignorance.

As long as you support selling Arah paths dont exept ppl to take you seriously…

Gathering gold is noobish-childish activity…..

Anet is fine with the selling of dungeon paths for gold as long as the sellers do not use exploits, or kick people to sell their slots. It requires skill to solo a dungeon without exploiting, so… Well, I don’t see your point.

kyubi.3620:

Well its like the early day.. i guess karma is a precious ressource now. I never actualy abused of any of those trick to get my karma and im prety much at 1 mil but i got it over the year because i didnt spent it.

Wait, so running dungeons was a trick or abuse?

And getting dailies and monthlies?

And using karma boosters for what they were actually intended for?

I think you really need to reevaluate your designation of trick or exploit. Because frankly, even running an event in the game is apt to become a trick to you.

kyubi.3620:

‘’it will be much like the over zealous karma nerf.’’ When was that already i might have missed it and i barely noticed because i aint farming karma that much, just doing my event as i find them.

They got rid of karma from dungeons.

They lowered the karma you get from dailies and monthly very significantly.

Karma consumables (jugs and such) are no longer affected by karma boosts.

Basically, where people used to be able to get 1million karma in a day if casual play, which I agree needed to be nerfed, now I struggle to get 10k in a day. It’s insanity.

MastaNeenja.1537:

There have been a few stealth updates to dungeons as of late, I think they have a Spec Ops Dungeon Team now.

Either that or it’s a sticky note on some guy’s monitor.

Hahaha I really like the images I get from spec ops dungeon team. I’m imagining some seal team 6 inserting invisible walls and stuff. Lolololol

Please, if one of the members from the spec ops dungeon team are reading this, post something in this thread. Even if it’s just a picture of a potato or something. This has to exist.

I’d love to see that. Hahaha.

kyubi.3620:

Thats likely what will happen and in one year or two well actualy see a random nerf to FGS along with some more scarlet stuff because Anet likes to takes its time and prioritise the living story but yea we likely gunna see something.

Well aren’t you just a bright ray of sunshine and hope. It’s very cute.

It will be a stealth nerf, and they won’t comment on it. And it will be far far far too late, and it will be at a time where the rest of damage has been nerfed so that existing content has become grueling time wasters, and thus the only source of damage will be gone. In other words, it will be much like the over zealous karma nerf.

Slowburn.5319:

Ethics.4519:

Slowburn.5319:

notabot.3497:

It’s not a glitch, its a feature.

That’s pretty funny, I guess…. for realz though, i don’t wanna have to ask everyone if they plan to glitch before runs. C’mon anet.

Depends on what boss and what strategy you’re using.

There are some actual glithces, but I think they are few, and probably more harmful glitches to the players than there are beneficial ones.

There are also a lot of strategies that people don’t like so they call them glitches, when in reality it’s just strategy.

everyone stacked in a corner and autoattacked for like 10 minutes… glitch or strategy? HHmmm, i guess strategy more than glitch.. but would be nice to see cheeze strategies fixed.

About this ‘no dungeon team’? did they lay off the dungeon devs?

They either moved them to the LS team or axed them (RIP Robert Hrouda)

kyubi.3620:

No but i dont expect them to watch placidly as a team of player just proven them something in the game is totaly nuts. What do you think will be their reaction?

Their reaction: “we have known about this for 6 months or more and are gathering feedback.”

Seriously.

kyubi.3620:

However such stuff generaly are a hint that something needs to be nerfed.

Says you. Do you speak for anet?

kokiman.2364:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

I’m glad to see the concordance on this topic. I have not seen a single defender of this, and that’s a plus. As a person with several unlimited tools, I love these items. But now I certainly feel obligated to buy this in order to stay ahead. I don’t know. It kind of sucks.

Well you supported the whole “Pay 2 Convinience” thing with the purchase of the unlimited tools and now this is what you get.

Well that’s a little mean, now isn’kitten

Anyway I’ll always pay 2 convenience. I’d rather do that, as a casual player with less than 4 hours a week to play. I’ll also always support anet while playing this game, because it is my hobby and I enjoy it.

(Granted, I used to play 12 h a day but you know, life happens)

teg.1340:

kyubi.3620:

Again it just legitimise their choice to nerf zerker damage slightly but i think 10% damage loss is hardly punishing enought.

Instead of nerfing everyones damage to fix damage against mobs in PVE, they could just bump mobs toughness in PVE!?

Nop, sry, makes to much sense…

While I agree it makes sense, I don’t think that it will make any other gear stat type better.

I think they should just buff other stat types to make them worth taking, or modifying mob AI to require different tactics in order to kill it’s either with puzzles, or something.

As long as the mobs are the same, there will never be a meta change.

I’m glad to see the concordance on this topic. I have not seen a single defender of this, and that’s a plus. As a person with several unlimited tools, I love these items. But now I certainly feel obligated to buy this in order to stay ahead. I don’t know. It kind of sucks.

maxinion.8396:

FGS OP. Reflects OP. Actually thinking about the mechanics of the game and finding the best strategy instead of complaining about pet builds: OP.

Actually the fact that the game ever existed is blatantly a bug.

Edit: ^_~ but it’s a fabulous bugame.

guanlongwucaii.3162:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

kyubi.3620:

Its not a threat i just dont like it that player can down this boss within 7 second. If a nerf to flaming great sword is necesary the dev will do it.

That’s funny. This has been in the game, and the devs have known about it, for literally 6 months at least. No nerfs.

didn’t they even congratulate the people who killed teq for using it on bonewalls? at this rate I’m kind of thinking that they want us to use it. not that I’m complaining though, being able to instakill bosses is funny (but the number spam is bad for fps)

Yeah I’m pretty sure at this point it’s intended.

kyubi.3620:

Its not a threat i just dont like it that player can down this boss within 7 second. If a nerf to flaming great sword is necesary the dev will do it.

That’s funny. This has been in the game, and the devs have known about it, for literally 6 months at least. No nerfs.

haviz.1340:

Just don’t forget to ask for ele nerfs since they are so overpowered.

That will go over well. ^_~

kyubi.3620:

im just making sure the Dev actualy see this. Idc what they nerf i just want them to nerf it to the ground so that it never happen again.

This is the most vindictive post I have ever seen. You’re so….. I don’t even have a word for it.

Nerf cleric, OP! OP!

smh

kyubi.3620:

Ill gladly celebrate it by puting it on the class balance forum as well so that as many people as they want can see it are you glad now even the dev will see it.

Good job and impressive work but im not letting the dev team not see this as im strongly opposed to this kind of stuff appenin in a mmo.

You say this like we / they are scared that the devs will see this. If they nerf FGS it’s fine, these folks will still be the only ones to be able to kill Lupi like this, because they are amazing players.

Threats are silly.

laokoko.7403:

maybe centaur, quaggans, skritt, tengu, Kodan, largos can form an evil alliance.

Don’t ask me why quaggans are evil.

Why are Tengu or Kodan evil?

Or Largos, for that matter. Lol

laokoko.7403:

I dont’ know what Largos is, so I vote for quaggan

This is a Largos.

Jeremlloyd.6837:

spoj.9672:

If they ever nerf fgs they will most likely have to tweak tequatl and wurm.

According to one comment on my Kholer video, it seems they already nerfed FGS Rush damage in Open World, dunno if it’s true though

They already did that’s why people use flamethrowers instead against Teq now

but the FGS is still effective against dungeon bosses

It might just be that the majority of people in open world don’t actually know how to use FGS to its highest potential, thus giving the false idea that it’s been nerfed.

They also might not understand downscaling. :P

Or that.

I vote neither, I’d like to play a Largos.

Anicetus.1253:

The fact that elementalists, necromancers and rangers ever existed in this game, is blatantly a bug.

BOOM

Yeah I think you’re right.

Poor FGS…. Accused so often of being an exploit….

Of course, it’s very existence might be a bug.

>.>

Elrey.5472:

J Eberle.9312:

Also, immersion in any dungeon is just… no, however Divinity’s Reach on Tarnished Coast has got you covered if that’s what you’re after.

You clearly never played a raid in Lotro. When you had to be inside 4-5 hours, believe me, the inmersion was pretty fun for a “dungeon”. There were people roleplaying between enemies pulls and having fun. Others, the elitists, were just having a blast killing everything and never running past enemies :P.

I think that’s what i miss in gw2 dungeons.

How many people at a time could be in a lotro dungeon? Just wondering.

Also, I think it’s fair to say I will not RP with randoms in a pug. With my guild, however, all dungeons are outlets for RP and even ERP

J Eberle.9312:

I doubt they will remove it, and the reason being that it would take effort on their part to then improve TAFU again because all the complaining will start up again about it being too hard QQ

Also, immersion in any dungeon is just… no, however Divinity’s Reach on Tarnished Coast has got you covered if that’s what you’re after.

True story. You make your own inmmersion.

Y’all crazy.

Congrats!

Level 8 thief ^^

And my ranger

I’d want a hopping bunny rabbit to give me mail ^^