SoS full because 90% of their population plays PvE and the population system isn’t representational of the WvW population.
I know why. My point was – you can’t convince people to move there if it is impossible to move there. I see people always recommending t1 in other threads as well.
Which is why this thread exists. SoS went FULL a year ago but we were winning by wide margins at that point so it wasn’t an issue.
I think ANET never really counted on situations where servers who were FULL would be facing significant issues when facing servers that are not.
Megaservers are a major culprit, as an overwhelming majority of our population is not interested in WvW and even those with casual interest are turned off by the competitive personalities of those who don’t mind the challenge we are facing.
Right, but the OP was looking for people to join SOS was how I read it. The status is royally messed up indeed, but until that is fixed no one is joining SOS (fa,bg, Jq, TC, etc). Just like the other thread and OP was looking for a heavy Aussie server and t1 was recommended….
That said, I do hope this is the highest of priorities as it is crippling communities (and doesn’t seem too hard to fix on the surface).
Actually we are open quite frequently. We don’t need full size guilds as much as we need talented PuGmanders. That said, an ANet driven solution to the FULL issue would probably solve that issue as well.
i was under the impression it was 24/7 full. It may have helped the OP by stating when the server isn’t full for prospective pugmanders to join.
Either way, I wish you luck and agree some help from anet would indeed be nice… I’d prefer a redo of their calculation compared to what you suggested on first glance, but maybe what you suggest is indeed better in the long run.
SoS full because 90% of their population plays PvE and the population system isn’t representational of the WvW population.
I know why. My point was – you can’t convince people to move there if it is impossible to move there. I see people always recommending t1 in other threads as well.
Which is why this thread exists. SoS went FULL a year ago but we were winning by wide margins at that point so it wasn’t an issue.
I think ANET never really counted on situations where servers who were FULL would be facing significant issues when facing servers that are not.
Megaservers are a major culprit, as an overwhelming majority of our population is not interested in WvW and even those with casual interest are turned off by the competitive personalities of those who don’t mind the challenge we are facing.
Right, but the OP was looking for people to join SOS was how I read it. The status is royally messed up indeed, but until that is fixed no one is joining SOS (fa,bg, Jq, TC, etc). Just like the other thread and OP was looking for a heavy Aussie server and t1 was recommended….
That said, I do hope this is the highest of priorities as it is crippling communities (and doesn’t seem too hard to fix on the surface).
SoS full because 90% of their population plays PvE and the population system isn’t representational of the WvW population.
I know why. My point was – you can’t convince people to move there if it is impossible to move there. I see people always recommending t1 in other threads as well.
Aren’t the top 4 full ? If they drop to very high, it might help OP at what time of day it drops, otherwise recommending a server that is full 24/7 won’t really help OP…..
Not wvw, but teq died with 12:29 on the timer. Damage is WAY higher. In this case, I think it was the huge # of condi stacks. Not sure if you saw the damage increase as straight or condi damage…..
It’s more than that though. It doesn’t seem to adjust to guilds leaviNg very quickly eiTher. Db was full for a bit even after the mass exodus if I remember correctly….
“Playing WvW properly”………that joke never gets old.
This work both ways. Don’t tell the PPT peeps that they are playing it wrong either….. As Chaba said earlier, there is no right way (even though some of Chaba’s server mates think there is a wrong way )
The only “right” way is the way you as a person enjoy the game. Other people may not find that way fun at all, but they aren’t wrong…..
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Well there is 1 wrong way – hackiNg and cheating…..
Guilds wanted a place where they could fight other guilds on any server without getting trolled. I think this meets their needs. Considering it was a game mode anet seemed reluctant to support in any form, this is great progress. I seriously doubt that there is a lot of additional bandwidth from their dev team dedicated to this. While there are many who gvg, I am not sure what percentage of the game pop partake in that – I think it is a minority…
The arena seems to meet the most basic needs for gvg, but also the duelers as well. I wouldn’t hold my breath for too much more at release….
The problem is, the matchups are stale AND often blowouts anyway. fa has been winning by 20k and usually closer to 50k for months (until this last week) while YB beating SOS by 20k+ as well.
T1 has been close, but some of the guilds play on multiple sides just to keep it that way.
If The scores are sort of predetermined at the beginning of the week anyway, might as well add variety….. I think the variety was why some wanted a tourney…..
Hey Grim, I was googling server populations as i’ve been rebuilding Epic and more and more players have been wanting to transfer to DB to wvw with the guild and yet they can’t because of a “full” server population, but as you stated and as i’ve been very frustrated with… The only relevance to which home server a player belongs to is WvW and yet with the megaserver not displaying home server’s there’s no way for us to target the DB players directly without spamming map chat 24/7. So it seems a bit odd (from a competitive WvW perspective) that we can’t transfer in the players that actually want to represent a server in the only way that you can anymore in contrast to the players that have no idea that they even belong to a server because they just pve with all the others.
So I agree with you Grim, and while I’m spending multiple hours a day building a community (with DB at its center) this is a huge and possibly insurmountable hurdle that is stopping us from a chance at improving our WvW standing.
Perhaps I’ll start doing some map spams that specifically target DB players and try to build a following based on that, but something tells me im going to have a very low return rate with that method. Even if the devs don’t respond, i hope you guys are reading this.
Are you aware that DB recently had an exodus, including Grimaldi…?
More like hostile takeover of hod from what I heard…..
Besides, what would the flags be? Who decide? I know exactly which servers would have a flag with 10 arrowcarts stacked on top of each other or the back of a crying quaggan running away. SFR flag would have 1 pixel for each player so it would just be a single color anyway.
Sound like ready made user contest. I bet quite a few servers already have a website with logo.
Maybe you were not wvwing at the time, but poor nsp and ioj were crushed for months by the t2 reject of the week (there were 4 t2ish servers) often like this weeks score – but remember MONTHS.. Many bolted for greener pastures with no relief in sight. By the time t2 sorted out, it was too late. NSP seemed to have weathered that storm better than IOJ, but both were battered and bruised…..
Hopefully with Chaba’s videos as well as others on FA reporting the player that will be enough information for ANet to permanently and publicly ban this player.
Chris’ post with Grenth attached is indication that he’s banned the player already. Grenth would appear whenever Anet banned players in GW1.
All the spectacle of a public execution – in other words awesome….
I do think fa’s captures with account name made the difference – was obvious while caught in the act instead of a GM having to catch fa invader (or whatever rank he was) in the act… /salute
Exploits@arena.net is the best place to report these things. Yes, it is used to report in-game exploits, but it can also handle reports like this. Moving forward, it’s probably best that reports go there instead of on the forums.
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Wait is DHUUM back for all to witness? If so, would like to see these when a pvp room owner bans a mouthy troll too…..
For everyone that mentions unbalanced blow outs as a negative, well we have that now with little to no variety. At least a short season (4 weeks at most) would bring variety to the blow outs…. That or change the algorithm to add a tad more variety – noting worse than blow outs with the same opponents……
Thanks for coming out to OS for the GvG support. The number of spectators were insane, I even had a queue to get in and play! I’m not the voice of the GvG community but it seemed to mean a lot to us to see some Anet representation there.
Simply standing there swapping servers was blowing people’s minds. Good times!
I had a blast last night. That was a fun event to be sure. I’ll be back for more!
You should come watch a GvG on a borderland when the OS is being used. Might be fun times, so to speak.
But it would have to be a HOME bl that is queued for sparks to really fly….
Not always! There’s the rare third server griefing too.
This I have not witnessed, but I suppose it could happen.
Thanks for coming out to OS for the GvG support. The number of spectators were insane, I even had a queue to get in and play! I’m not the voice of the GvG community but it seemed to mean a lot to us to see some Anet representation there.
Simply standing there swapping servers was blowing people’s minds. Good times!
I had a blast last night. That was a fun event to be sure. I’ll be back for more!
You should come watch a GvG on a borderland when the OS is being used. Might be fun times, so to speak.
But it would have to be a HOME bl that is queued for sparks to really fly….
Sorry fa has huge queues right now, but preference because you are a vet…… Of course if they did that people would leave en masse so no queues problem solved!
It is important to know how it is like currently in WvW to have a constant outnumbered matchup week after week. And on SoS we are probably outnumbered 3:1 for most of the day.
The server is really more suitable for T3 but the glicko system will prevent it from dropping in a long time. Then also the T3 servers probably won’t like to go up to ’enjoy ’ such a lopsided matchup either. Sure there are dedicated players on the server who always try to recruit and tag up to rally people. Then Anet enforced a stupid full status to prevent all the positive things from happening. In the mean time, the rival servers keep getting bigger because they are the only two that are not full in top 6 servers. Very soon, every fairweather player in this game mode will join those two servers and situation will get worse day by day.
So please come join us who still remain fighting on the server, although we are fighting more for the server pride rather than for the fun.
Gold, silver bronze got the same rewards for the same placement for the same finish – albeit the dolyak finisher was different.
Hod stacked for tourney and destacked just as fast when it ended. Either way, tourneys haven’t happened for like 6 months so hardly a current reason for stacking with no new tourney on the horizon.
The eotm twist of rolling green could be a factor, but then those peeps aren’t in real wvw where points count anyway – so net affect of 0.
The reward for stacking is minimal 2 extra chests of usually blues or greens…. People that stack to the higher tiers do so for reasons other than 2 extra weekly chests….
You would be surprised…
But it would apply more so for the WvW Seasons. The last one saw people bail off of a server that was definitely not going to win 1st, for such a measly reward, and there was nothing that would discourage them from doing so. Prior ones locked you out of wvw for a bit when you transferred.
It’s crazy to do so over such paltry rewards, but sadly there are people that do that :/
For tourney yes. There hasn’t been one for ages and there is none publicly announced, so this does not explain any transfers (well maybe a few) for what 6 months? Someone else listed several reasons that make much more sense than rewards.
While this would help, wouldn’t pin snipers then look at rank? They are not always the highest rank, but often are. And if they aren’t doesn’t it become known often what rank they are? May need option to mask rank as well….
The reward for stacking is minimal 2 extra chests of usually blues or greens…. People that stack to the higher tiers do so for reasons other than 2 extra weekly chests….
Every server has wvw players….. Now would ALL the pve move to the same server filling up another – I doubt it….
Either way, the answer is to decouple pve server pop with wvw server pop. Pvx would obviously count as wvw pop. The one remaining issue issue is pve visiting wvw for the sole purpose of crafting/banking. That would have to count as Pvx even if they are pve, but I doubt that is a huge issue….
How would you decouple the PvE server from the WvW server when it’s the same exact server. It’s one server with slots that accounts go into and when the number of account slots are full, then the server is full. There are no PvE, WvW or PvX accounts, only generic accounts. So how is ANet supposed to separate them out since they are not tagged on any way?
You aren’t decoupling the server – the population count that is used to determine full – high etc is what you decouple.
Shouldn’t be that hard to not count people that never go into wvw…… Maybe something like if you go into wvw within last 2 weeks – you are considered Pvx and you count in the equation that calculates status…. Not perfect because pve may go to wvw for crafting only, but better than what is there now.
Every server has wvw players….. Now would ALL the pve move to the same server filling up another – I doubt it….
Either way, the answer is to decouple pve server pop with wvw server pop. Pvx would obviously count as wvw pop. The one remaining issue issue is pve visiting wvw for the sole purpose of crafting/banking. That would have to count as Pvx even if they are pve, but I doubt that is a huge issue….
Problem is now they are both stale and unbalanced. Stale balanced vs variable unbalanced is probably going to have backers on both sides (realizing variable balanced is utopia)’ stale and unbalanced won’t have many fans…..
I have accts in t2 and t3. I think you might be disappointed if you go t3 expecting a huge difference compared to t2…. You won’t have the huge queue, but otherwise……
You could say T3 is now like what T2 was like just over a year ago? That is before everyone stacked in T2 and turned it into T1.5??? Id argue T3 isn’t 2.5 though its more like T2 without the ques and a lot less blobby with good roaming. When HOD moves up it will be pretty much perfect in my opinion.
You realize HoD is the combination of the 2nd most hated server NA (DB) and the most hated t4/5 server (HoD)… They spam siege, they blob everything (BP did move over to HoD, dat 60 man skill group), they have virtually no good roamers, and they ppt before fights. How could they make anything perfect for anyone lol? Doesn’t help that StormBuy Isles is a blob server with low skill across the board except a few new guilds they bought from other servers, and Mag is as filled with ppt tryhard yb style players as it is with fights purists (for every tg there’s a cccp, for every vr there’s an sfd, for every nacho there’s a purplecam, you get the point).
I’m glad you’re enjoying it but just imo we need to avoid giving a false picture of what t3 is. It’s not perfect, even a lot of Mag players have been complaining to me about how boring it is lol.
This is what I see. It is by no means a bad place to play. I just don’t see a significant difference from t2 for someone who is unhappy there except the queue time. If transfers were free, no harm no foul, but they are not free…..
I have accts in t2 and t3. I think you might be disappointed if you go t3 expecting a huge difference compared to t2…. You won’t have the huge queue, but otherwise……
Let’s not forget that some of those guilds bandwagoned / were bought to go to DB in the first place like @4 months ago… Those guilds were not bound to the community long term anyway….
Wonder how that takeover is going…. Got a pm from someone on hod I don’t even know (they saw a post here) – seems some/many? Not appreciative of the mass influx trying to hijack their server…..
At least you should drop normally – it takes awhile to adjust (too long IMHO). Sor was stuck for like 9 weeks in silver seriously outnumbered (way worse off than db) during season 2……
Groups with every intention of helping a server, but waiting at spawn for all of them to get in while map is queued are as big of an issue. One decent sized guild did this all the time (or their driver went on break a lot) – always annoyed me…..
They would have the most fun with 1/2 repping one server the other 1/2 repping the other and fighting themselves – guild chat would be hilarious with trash talking each other…..
If you primarily care about eotm – you want green. So server 1-4-7-10-13-16-19-22. They will be green most often, but get lumped together anyway in EOTM……
Note fa(4) might be trying to move up to 3 so they won’t be green……
Either way, eotm is often nothing more than pvdoor karma train used for leveling toons. No server choice is going to change that…….
Clearly all your responses were biased. If you delete your characters on the alt account, you can move for free. You can then try and see which one you like. If your first try doesn’t fit your style, then you can delete and try again until you find the home that works for you. Good luck….
While YB didn’t have 1 server attempting a hostile takeover when we were the bandwagon, map chat was pretty bad for awhile. One of the toxic conversations was so freaking lame – 1/2 hour argument because a scout from maguuma was using wk/ek instead of bay/hills. Once explained – no bigge, but to some it was the end of the world…. The other annoying thing was guilds calling fake assaults on other BLs hoping for ports to fit their guild on the current bl… Of course that won’t work if 3-4 BLs are queued – no one is hopping….
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