Guild Wars 2

Would the OP like a stick to beat the dead horse with?

Just to add two coppers in, I found that celestials are best used with a mixed setup of gear. I actually made overall stat improvements with my build using only two pieces of celestial armor, which is the only thing that’s “celestial” in my setup.

I tried doing an all celestial armor setup and it just didn’t work out. I didn’t like the power and precision skimp. However, adding in only the two actually gave me a power increase over what I had before celestial armor came out. Even putting in one more single piece messed up the stats that I didnt’ want touched.

I also agree that celestial trinkets are not great to use.

My guess? It’s Precursor speculators worrying about the Precursor crafting slated soon (Like this winter!) and wanting to dump stock before the inevitable plummet.

I think the big problem with this update is that we are once again being pushed into a dependency on a x/x/30/30/x build, a build that is seemingly become more solidified than ever.

Where is the build diversity that you promised Anet?

Brutaly.6257:

Red.3572:

Seriously? You end with you’re going to make Stir-fry chicken for yourself? You need to be re-balanced! When you make that, you make it for everyone. AoE skill, 4 hour CD.

On a serious note, I understand what you’re saying for sure. You could implement what I suggest without changes to defence also. For example, fire and forget boons like Retaliate. This skill has so much potential for skilful play it’s unreal…

Imagine:

> Player X just got a immob on them

> Player Y thinks “Could be a fake out” But decides to drop a short duration (3 sec or so), costly, AoE Retal that’s can truly reflect 50% of all incoming damage and reduces damage by that same number.

………………………………

(Yeah you could totally merge Protection and Retaliate and achieve a much more interesting boon.)

Retaliation in its current iteration is just totally skilless and should be removed.

The above would certainly increase the skill cap and value of the skill.

Where do i sign the petition to introduce “ssssssstir (sizzling in the pan) fried chicken”?

No, don’t take retal away. *Those that actually are skilless depend on it, even though its minor damage.

*Disclosure: I’m not pointing fingers at anyone, more or less just ppl like me.

I just read over the entire dev post on those coming updates and noticed something very disturbing:
Albeit not as specific, they look a lot like those pastebin notes….

Just some other suggestions to throw in the mix:

Guardians: Please make some improvements to Virtues 25, 1% dps per boon is not enough for investing that much into the line. Perhaps also look into the adept traits and add alternates to the ones there, such as another dps, boon benefit, or virtue effect increaser. Or perhaps adding some sort of advantage to having virtues on cooldown. Another adept trait idea, 5% dps increase for each virtue on recharge (figure off the top my head, needs to be balanced of course).

Necros: Minions man, minions. They still need some serious love. Please throw them a bone.

CMF.5461:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/October-15th-balance-skills-updates-preview/first#post2832798

JonathanSharp.7094:

Class balance:
Guardian
We increased the power of many support skills which weren’t seeing much play. We reworked Purging Flames: it now removes three conditions from allies in an area effect around the guardian on cast while still burning enemies (enemies that enter or exit the flames are still burned). Once the skill has been cast, it then reduces condition duration for allies who remain in the consecration’s area. It’s hawt. Literally. All meditation utility skills are now instant, and monks focus now grants fury on meditation use.

So we got more condition control (yay?)
Also getting a more reliable Fury source (yay?)

Question is, will it still give healing, will the fury make offensive guardian more viable in pvp? (pve is fine, just dodge roll when you need)

I still feel our damage isn’t what the issue was, but survivability outside of AH or full healing power scenarios is what needed to be addressed. Again pvp oriented not pve.

Or better setup/control to do said damage, could have been looked at too.

Late in the commenting game, but I disagree with this. There are some builds that could use a damage boosting (Virtues imo) that when you invest into them heavily, you end up gimping your dps.

Teege.4623:

Since I can’t ask if these two are married I will STAY ON TOPIC by saying that it appears theory and speculation is what we have to go on. The devs will not comment publicly especially if they’re doing any internal investigations. If similar events happen in the future then who knows for sure right? There that’s better.

Except, you just said it again. Nice ninja comment in there.

Hell Avenger.7021:

it does not mean anything.

I concur!! I think we can all agree on this!

Astralporing.1957:

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

Now, how does that factor in your charts and stats?

now, if that GS was the worst possible of all the available skins in the game, would you still use it, or would you go for something that looked cooler?

Actually, yes I would still use it exclusively. As long as it has the giant sword look, I’m good with it.

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

So based on hearsay, with no evidence, we are supposed to believe exactly what?

From what I’m understanding is, that we are supposed to believe in a theory with no solid proof of said theory.

Seems pretty logical to me……

@Max, about Vol, that’s pretty funny, but Vol is also a genius when it comes to the TP. I equate Vol to Chuck Norris in market speculation.

Maugrem.7608:

Over 100 responses and not a one from Anet…

Yeah, for good reason. This thread, and the other that has evolved into this same topic, is ridiculous.

If any dev/mod needed to do anything at all, it would be to combine these two or what would be more ideal is to lock them. There’s no value here.

Actually, it has been rather entertaining.

I’ll be a good example here for you stat and chart ppl:

I main a Guardian. I almost exclusively use a GS because I like big swords. Even if GS is nerfed to death and becomes THE worst weapon in the game to the point that your class heal skill does more DPS, I’d still use the GS exclusively. In every fantasy game I play, I play a character that has a GS.

Now, how does that factor in your charts and stats?

While a nerf to condition duration would be a nice balance for the condition meta issue, the buffs being nerfed like that would not.

That part alone might make me /quit too, unless that’s all for PvP.

Buttercup.5871:

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

Buttercup.5871:

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r36/DeLos23/DeadHorse.jpg

Ohhh, Ohhhh, we’re doing horses! Hey, I have one for you, too!

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-k4x-_wriSyM/T9TVLUKTftI/AAAAAAAACYI/BMhMR0aqWPU/s1600/user6133_pic34477_1326494238.jpg

Wow, that’s exactly the expression that came to mind when you called me stubborn! Amazing!

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-bjy83y8ZNNI/Tqwu5xlI5nI/AAAAAAAAmPE/UqYlOqW_CNk/s1600/5031312940_copycat_xlarge.jpeg

You gonna start using the old “rubber/glue” zingers too?

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

juno.1840:

I didn’t draw any conclusions in my original post. I merely stated: “My friend saw a bunch of dawns vanish from the TP and then an identical number show up shortly afterwards, reposted for roughly 200gp more.”

The data I provided supports my friend’s observation of what happened in the market. No where in this topic have I stated that the cause was market manipulation. You started that rant on your own with your “conspiracy theory” statements.

You’re playing coy. You know exactly what your thread was about and what implications you were trying to make. Now you’re just refusing to own up to it.

Actually, this isn’t even his thread. It was sort of taken over.

Buttercup.5871:

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r36/DeLos23/DeadHorse.jpg

Ohhh, Ohhhh, we’re doing horses! Hey, I have one for you, too!

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-k4x-_wriSyM/T9TVLUKTftI/AAAAAAAACYI/BMhMR0aqWPU/s1600/user6133_pic34477_1326494238.jpg

Pardon my ignorance, but where do you people find these blogs at!?

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r36/DeLos23/DeadHorse.jpg

@HA: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/comprehension. Please just stop posting. You’re seriously embarrassing yourself.

@Buttercup: No, I don’t wonder why because that’s why I hire lawyers when I need one. They do the wondering for me.

I can see you are very stubborn to this subject despite “reasonable” reasoning and this dead horse has become a skeleton due to so much beating and is doomed to become ash. Therefore, I bid you ado, and good luck with your “prosecution” in this case.

Buttercup.5871:

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

Yes, I can explain it to you, as well as other’s have already tried. I’m not going to beat the dead horse anymore.

Do yourself a favor. Look up the information on the basics of the Scientific Method please. You might have a life-changing epitome.

And no, btw, I did not fail “university”; I graduated with Honors.

Whut?

OK, I am a lawyer. I’ll concede that my knowledge of the Scientific Method is limited. What I do know, however, is that this Method is “a method or procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.”

The underlying feature of this method is being able to replicate an event.
Think about it. Can anyone of us replicate the event? I sure hope not. Because that’s exactly the problem!

“Your honor, I did not commit murder! Yes, I was there, yes I had a gun in my hand, and yes I hated the person, but, but, you can’t replicate the event, can you? Therefore, I must be acquitted.”

There is no logical explanation for the extreme rise in price of the mad moon and the crossing one day before the patch. No other magic find item showed a similar pattern. Additionally, we were explicitly told by Anet that high level Magic Find items would not be affected by the patch in that they would remain tradeable. So in fact, this goes against your theory people should buy out the crossing and the mad moon before the patch. Based on all public available information, nothing indicated that anything significant would happen to these two items that would affect their price. Yet they skyrocketed one day before the patch. Huh huh.

You know, I’ll give you another theory. It’s funny, because one of the ascended weapons that came with the 3 September patch was named after it. It’s called “Occam’s Razor”. The simplest possible theoretical explanation for existing data is usually the correct one. I submit to you, based on all publicly available information, that the OP offers exactly that.

Going back the above example of the guy holding a gun in his hand at the time of the murder: all I want, and the OP wants, is for Anet to look at the security camera, and check for fingerprints. Because this case screams murder.

I’m going to quote myself here to reply to this, since you missed it above:
“@Butter, You’re ignoring the bigger elephant in the room, which you even admit to. MF item speculation. Obviously, people are going to want Crossing and Moon because they are THE more popular ones…. which means the more lucrative investments to make!”

You’re also forgetting the one important fact of the Scientific Method I was trying to make. And that is, the conclusion is often theory. Did you catch that? Theory. Observed data results in theory until the theory can be proven as actual fact. Basic stuff Mr. Lawyer. You should know this.

Amins.3710:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fUIQJARCoIyFYLA7BGhfHvekQKyQA-jkCBofBK5ZIrZPRsyqIasaaQKbYqXK1qYAmzJyieY1yAwsAA-w

Assassin Gear isn’t in the buildcraft yet.

Also Note, the 150 Toughness isn’t added into the stats… so it’s really 3230 Armor

I cannot figure out how to get 22k Health w/ this… as for whatever reason, I LOVE having 22k health.. dunno why, i just do…. Maybe cuz w/ stacks it gives me 24.5k health… a nice number.

I’d venture a guess that it’s also because of the underlining meta condition problem.

Bash.7291:

Yaki.9563:

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

Off hand sword my #1 request.

My #2 would be a shout that gives fury, might, and quickness.

I want a shout that heals all party members to full. On a 30s cooldown.

Im pretty sure he meant swiftness, no need to be a sarcastic jerk about it -.-

Seriously!

Honestly, I’d just love to have more access to fury more than anything. I just threw the other two to make it worth a little more. Could even name the skill Judgement’s Wrath or something like that.

Hell Avenger.7021:

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

Yes, I can explain it to you, as well as other’s have already tried. I’m not going to beat the dead horse anymore.

Do yourself a favor. Look up the information on the basics of the Scientific Method please. You might have a life-changing epitome.

And no, btw, I did not fail “university”; I graduated with Honors.

Buddy, I graduated with High Distinction (not just Distinction). Your honors just meant 4 years of univiersity instead of 3 years post secondary program. LOLOLOL I graduated with High Distinction with Honors in a top university rank in the world.

in the post “…. price of precursor” you speculate, in the “insider trading” post you promote scientific fact. What a troll or your are just inconsistent. Two posts in the last ten minutes with opposite views.

Apparently, you never learned reading comprehension either.

Also, where I’m from, there is no honors in a graduate program. You either pass or you fail. All the way up to Doctorates. Would you like some salt and pepper for the foot you just stuck in your mouth?

Actually, it’s not necessarily the ascended aspect of crafting, but the legendary aspect that’s causing this speculation.

Yes, I can explain it to you, as well as other’s have already tried. I’m not going to beat the dead horse anymore.

Do yourself a favor. Look up the information on the basics of the Scientific Method please. You might have a life-changing epitome.

And no, btw, I did not fail “university”; I graduated with Honors.

My speculation in why pricing for both pre’s and leg’s is that those that have invested in them are trying to get thier profits before pre-crafting comes in. They are worried, and rightly so, that their gold is going to go out the window.

@HA: Except, that’s not lawyer-wannabe talk. That’s common sense, basic scientific knowledge you learn about in ELEMENTARY SCHOOL…..

@Butter, You’re ignoring the bigger elephant in the room, which you even admit to. MF item speculation. Obviously, people are going to want Crossing and Moon because they are THE more popular ones…. which means the more lucrative investments to make!

Geez, people. Common sense. Use it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ihMMw0rnKz4

Boil ’em, Mash ’em, Stick ’em in a stew!

VitalSuit.1980:

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

I think they are working on that, or at least that’s what I got from the interview with Colin Johanson I saw.

I hope that includes the other meta achievements as well. Only having 1 pair of molten facility gloves was a load of crap and only having 1 green sab backpack and 1 yellow sab backpack with no way to get them more than once is just as bad.

Highly doubt it’s going to affect item skins such as the SAB weapons. I think it was more achievement and one time skins such as the Shatterer wings that you place on items.

Actually, now that I think of it, it’s a LOT of both.

I’m like Crapgame here. Rule #1 is never chase. My rule #2 is don’t get caught up in the enemby zerg train that’s on the railroad you’re standing on.

LameFox.6349:

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

…….

PO – TAY – TOES!

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Based on past postings here, it’s a little of both.

Brutaly.6257:

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

Boon Duration belongs in Virtues tree since Virtues and Boons are supposed to be part of the the class defining distinction. Anywhere else doesn’t make sense. Regardless, I don’t think this thread is about changing traits, but rather adding new skills and weapons.

I’d also like to add in alternative skillsets for the current weapon skillsets as well, ie. different 1-5’s.

With that logic critical damage is class defining for necros, warriors and condition damage for thief and healing for rangers.

Frankly it would make more sense to have boon duration in valor since that tree is mainly about survival, and boons make us survive. It makes no sense to have boon duration in virtues especially since that line isnt that focused on boon to begin with other than boon duration specifically.

Power of the virtuous also make crit damage to fit in virtues tbh. More than in valor at least.

My point is that i dont find guardian to lack that much and we are more in a need of polishing so all lines work and are valid. I couldnt care less for new skills atm hence i posted as i did..

What I meant was the way Anet want Guardians to be “strong with boons,” along with their class defining Virtues. The Virtues line is full of boon add-ons. And by using your own logic along with what’s in the Guardian wiki: "…thanks to their virtues and many utility and elite skills which focus on use of boons and active defense and protecting of allies in general. " According to this very statement, virtues and boons go hand and hand. How can they not make the most sense in being in the same line!?

Also, boons are not just for defense only. There are several offensive boons as well, not to mention Virtues 25, which imo should be a lot stronger for such a high investment cost.

If you had no interest in the OP, why did you even bother posting in it?

Can someone confirm if the infusion +5ar/stats is deleted on splitter use?

Hmm, I’m guessing some people are hoarding pre’s and waiting to find out what the pre-crafting is going to be like. But, I’ve also seen a LOT of legendaries in people’s hands nowadays compared to the past. The supply has simply been decimated and is not keeping up.

Anet pretty much gave people a lot of the required stuffs with Achievement awards!

…….

PO-TAH-TOES!

Hunter.4783:

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

Hunter.4783:

Chorazin.4107:

I admire the attempt but other classes will just do the solo roam thing far better. Warriors, Thieves, Mesmers are the standouts, 2 because they have stealth and the warrior because of insane mobility with greatsword to escape greater numbers.

For dueling out behind the windmill it looks pretty solid, although recently ive been finding no matter what i do, Warriors win. It’s only a matter of time until that skull crack lands with your stun breakers down and you eat 100 blades, or they go the sword/sword for impale/flurry and lowbow stack crazy conditions on you build. Or a Necro convert your boons to conditions and laugh …. or a Perplexity Engineer … or a condi/stealth mesmer ……

Yet none of these seem to make any difference to the “Bash guardian”! The audacity some people have….heh

About as audacious as ignoring request for proof of stated points. The nerve of some people!

You mean everyone crying OP at warrior and condi engie is not enough for you?

Im sorry im not gonna stream or make videos just to feed yours or anyone’s ego on these forums.

In all honesty, I could care less about your unsubstantiated claims or Bash’s. But I do think it’s funny when you make jabs at someone and ignore their responses to your previous jabs.

I think they are working on that, or at least that’s what I got from the interview with Colin Johanson I saw.

Brutaly.6257:

4th virtue

Crit damage and boo duration swapped places in our trait trees

EM and VP moved to zeal
Symbol traits moved from zeal to honor
OR that all symbols was on the staff.

EDIT
Tactical nuke would be nice as well

Boon Duration belongs in Virtues tree since Virtues and Boons are supposed to be part of the the class defining distinction. Anywhere else doesn’t make sense. Regardless, I don’t think this thread is about changing traits, but rather adding new skills and weapons.

I’d also like to add in alternative skillsets for the current weapon skillsets as well, ie. different 1-5’s.

So you lose the +5 ar/stat infusion when using the splitter? I"ve got he Shatterer wings on my back to but will probably be switching to the new Teq wings when they come out. Yet, I don’t want to lose my Shatterer skins either.

Hunter.4783:

Chorazin.4107:

I admire the attempt but other classes will just do the solo roam thing far better. Warriors, Thieves, Mesmers are the standouts, 2 because they have stealth and the warrior because of insane mobility with greatsword to escape greater numbers.

For dueling out behind the windmill it looks pretty solid, although recently ive been finding no matter what i do, Warriors win. It’s only a matter of time until that skull crack lands with your stun breakers down and you eat 100 blades, or they go the sword/sword for impale/flurry and lowbow stack crazy conditions on you build. Or a Necro convert your boons to conditions and laugh …. or a Perplexity Engineer … or a condi/stealth mesmer ……

Yet none of these seem to make any difference to the “Bash guardian”! The audacity some people have….heh

About as audacious as ignoring request for proof of stated points. The nerve of some people!

Off hand sword my #1 request.

My #2 would be a shout that gives fury, might, and quickness.

http://newanimethursday.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/screen-shot-2012-04-28-at-3-58-24-pm.png

/facepalm

DarcShriek.5829:

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

Ping.5739:

Fear is caused by lack of knowledge. Don’t know about something is good, but refuse to learn it just means you are ignorant.

Ah, but ignorance is bliss.

Not really, we just say that so you don’t feel so bad.

Actually, there’s a lot I know now compared to yesteryear that I wish I didn’t.

@ilr, I believe it has to do more with it being offensive rather than religious.

Amins.3710:

Wait… so you come onto the forums in the previous post telling everyone who posts they aren’t as good as X and they’ll never be, then roll a guardian and ask everyone you just spit on if they can help you?

Stay Thirsty My Friend.

“I don’t always eat crow, but when I do I throw crap in your face.”

Love when randoms hate on fellow guardians in other threads and then ask for advice from them as if they are the same.

Vol.5241:

because if you run as a Charr people will automatically assume you are a broski bully who likes making tough looking characters

as opposed to the ‘hotty’ human
the ‘cutesy’ Asura
or the laid-back Norn

If you’re Sylvari I assume you like gardening

or maybe salads…..

On opposite of the OP, I made a Charr because I like the monstery look.