Guild Wars 2

SynfulChaot.3169:

Note that I did state on numerous occasion that there is nothing wrong with that fact and that it is endemic to the concept of competition. You know … before you accuse me of ill-will.

All I were accusing you of is trying to masque what your actual stance on this was, you’ve specifically stated now that “by definition, winning is selfish.” and that pretty much settles this on my part, I’ve got no intents of debating it further.

jeatsen.2378:

Are you saying that if your “friend” does not have an achievement/won the “fighting game” once, and really wants to do so, you still would “put in the effort to beat them” even if its not even on a level playing field (i.e latency issues / what-nots)?

Fighting games rarely, if ever, have a leveled playing field, there are almost always certain moves and combos that are vastly more difficult to counter than others.

I’ve met several good warriors, the main thing they seem to have in common is that they’ve decided that theres better things out there than the greatsword.

SynfulChaot.3169:

I hadn’t before that point so the statement was not untruthful.

Correct, however it has been apparent throughout this entire discussion what your stance on the matter has been, yet you have not stated it up until now so again, thank you.

StriderShinryu.6923:

My point is simply that there are those who believe consistently coming in first against those who have no chance of beating them is both an actual achievement to be proud of as well as something to continue doing for as long as possible. Certainly, things can happen in individual races but given that there is no sort of matchmaking involved and no skill/results based tiering (or even a guarantee that all racers are starting the race at the same time) I tend to think that looking at the larger picture is important. As it stands, this topic isn’t titled “Is it bad to finish first?” it’s titled “Is it bad to keep coming first?”

If you keep coming in first after having completed your ahievements and knowing that your opponents may not be competing on equal footing to yourself, maybe it would be a good thing to step back and rethink things. Maybe your races aren’t as competitve and hard driving as you think they are.

Personally, I’ve been a dedicated player of fighting games for many many years. I know a lot about both competitive situations and mismatches, both on a player level as well as a character level. I know that against the vast majority of my current friends, I will be able to beat them handedly without even thinking about it. As such, I often don’t even play fighting games against them at all simply because the experience has compeition based games existing in a space where they are anything but competitive. I don’t fool myself into thinking my success against them means much at all despite me technically winning the competition.

Please don’t mistake my point of view for one that thinks this achievement is of actual worth, it is a simple task that most of the community can do on their own, however since some can’t, and have thus requested to have it handed to them, others have joined forces and now a fair margin of the players doing the race is nothing short of expecting to be handed wins.

Now riddle me this: If you were to play fighting games with your friends, or anyone for that matter, would you give them the win or would you put in the effort to beat them?

SynfulChaot.3169:

Technically coming in first every time is selfish. Yes, it is supposed to be competitive. Yes, it is PvP. But by strict dictionary definition, wanting to win each and every time in a solo competition is selfish.

That isn’t necessarily a bad thing. That is the point of competition for many. But that doesn’t change the meaning of the word.

SynfulChaot.3169:

I’ve not really called those players selfish.

Thank you for biting.

StriderShinryu.6923:

I suppose the simplest example is to say you may be consistently winning a 100 metre sprint, but you may be doing so (perhaps unbeknownst to you) against 11 other people who are on crutches or in wheelchairs.

That is known as a mismatch, it is still competitive.
Competitions are simply never perfectly fair as competitors all have different skill levels, you could’ve taken a few real world examples of mismatches instead, such as the Man. Utd – Ipswich football match, or Eddie the eagle, or eric the eel.
My personal favourite however is stephen bradbury, a australian ice skater who won a olympic gold medal after all the other opponents in the finals had fallen right before the finish line.

However claiming it is not competitive due to each person having different conditions? That is just silly.

Antisceptic.9174:

It is selfish to take 1st every time.

No, it isn’t.
It is a competitive PvP enviroment, there is nothing selfish about striving to win it, it is unfortunate that oceanic players are lagging but it is not up to everyone else to take that into consideration when racing.
The mere fact that you think it is selfish just portrays exactly why it is bad to stop and let someone else win.

Draknar.5748:

Is it honestly fair to say that the person who keeps coming in 2nd from the first group hasn’t earned a 1st place? On face value obviously this would be true because he did in fact come in 2nd. But why did he come in 2nd? Was it because he is bad at the game? His average time would put him at 1st in almost every other matchup, so no. So why does he constantly come in 2nd? Because there is a person who is slightly better that comes in 1st every time!

“Ok, so what! That’s how the game works! It’s an achievement you have to earn it!”

But really, really think about it. This person and others could have already completed the achievement in any other normal circumstance if it weren’t for one person deciding that they aren’t worthy yet.

“You have to defeat ME in order to get the achievement muahahahahahahaha!”

If you take a step back, at least in my opinion, that person who keeps getting in first technically isn’t doing anything wrong, but man what massive tool. Anyone would agree with that.

What I’m about to tell you is a supersecret, infact it is so secret that not even NSA knows about it.

If you leave the race and rejoin it, you’ll end up in a new instance, this will effectively get you out of the situation you described, and expecting to have first handed to you, now theres a tool for you.

Clark Skinner.4902:

In the past, jumping puzzles were an optional part of the Living Story/Holiday meta achievement. The people who loved them could do them, the people who hated them could do something else.

This still holds true, you can still go and do something else.

Clark Skinner.4902:

This month, there’s an entire map of jumping puzzles, and nearly all of the achievements are jumping the map, jumping while racing(?!), jumping puzzles around Tyria. Also an sPvP map with jumping launchers & platforms.

By that reasoning, the entire game should be considered a huge jumping puzzle as there are always places you can jump up on.

Clark Skinner.4902:

To make it worse, the reward isn’t a useless mini. It’s a rare gathering node, which will be the only source of a crafting material. You’re forcing players to do things that are not fun in order to avoid being at a disadvantage.

And those who dislike dungeons yet have had to do them for rewards from the previous metas? Or the PvPers? I’mglad they decided to change things up.

Clark Skinner.4902:

With the significant size of the player base who dislike or hate jumping puzzles, making a month of jumping puzzle content was a foreseeably bad idea. Every update I am more baffled trying to figure out the thinking behind each decision. smh

This my good sir is a logical fallacy, you’re appealing to popularity but you’re also failing to provide any form of demonstration that shows that your claim is infact true, are there people who disilkes JPs? Absolutely.
Are they infact a “significant piece of the playerbase” ? Well, I’d say thats unlikely.

EgonVenkman.1907:

http://www.gw2armorgallery.com/human-light.htm

You have a decent argument when it comes to bottoms, but tops could definitely use better diversity.

I always run a mix/match getups anyway, but finding a decent formal-ish top seems impossible.

Compare to the design of these great male ones…
http://www.gw2armorgallery.com/armour/human/human-light-karma-temple-male.jpg
http://www.gw2armorgallery.com/armour/human/human-light-stand-magician-male.jpg
http://www.gw2armorgallery.com/armour/human/human-light-legacy-heritage-male.jpg
http://www.gw2armorgallery.com/armour/human/human-light-order-vigil-male.jpg

There really isn’t any great options in similar styles for females.

But clothing options are a personal annoyance, rather than the unflattering initial experience PvP gives.

My light armor chars all wear the cabalist armor, simply because it looks alot like the mesmer armors from GW1 altho Rubric is also a favourite of mine.
However from the top of my head I can think of a couple of armors with decent top.. well..
Magician
County
Outrider
Acolyte
Rubric
Cabalist
the seer top also looks decent but the pants to go with are just horrible.

Overall tho I’d say if you want a more “classy” chest armor you’ll be looking at either cabalist, rubric or seer, then you if you want to mix and match you will need to work around the horrible cut-offs around the waist that light armor suffers from.

A full rubric set(with helm and shoulders hidden) can look fantastic if colored right tho

Elementalist, human. Because I’m going to kitten people off by leveling it in WvW for the remaining 60 lvls.

EgonVenkman.1907:

7. Thieves everywhere – Seem to be 50% of the players every game.
8. Female armor- This is a problem in PvE as well. There is maybe 1 or 2 fully clothed armor, with the rest being stripper-wear. I’d like an option that looks decent without having to choose between Monk robes or nipple stickers. Far too often I see some nice looking Male armor set, and think, that would look great on my female toon. Nope! Stripper.

7. Yes, thieves are a fairly common class, mainly because it is possible to beat most players simply by holding that heartseeker button pressed down.

8. This is wrong, I can’t put it anyway else, you’re wrong on this, theres plenty of good looking armors that doesn’t show excessive amounts of skin so again, you’re wrong.

Vol.5241:

“But what about making money? Guild Wars 1 survived on paid expansions, editions, add-ons, whatever you want to call them – are we to believe that the boxed sales of Guild Wars 2 and micro-transactions are enough to sustain such a large operation?

“Yes,” responded Zadorojny. “It absolutely is enough.”

And you guys wonder why they keep making RNG boxes? It sells. I say continue on with that trend.

As long as they actually don’t force 2000€ worth of boxes on average per skin, I’m fine with them!

Solori.6025:

So from the last 1 v 1 tournies…find me the mesmer that won them all..

Since they are so OP..

Don’t worry I’m sure you can find it…I’ll just wait here..

Well, I didn’t participate otherwise that wouldn’t have been a problem, luckily for us, I didn’t tho.

My point is simply that while I agree that you may be somewhat overly dependant on dailies and monthlies, you’re nowhere near as bad off as the PvPers and WvWers are.

Celestial was obsolete the moment they bound them to the account.

SynfulChaot.3169:

I help others. I don’t create expectations directly. If they expect anything further then that is a logical fault on their end. Not on mine. So don’t try to pin other’s actions on myself, m’kay?

I’m not pinning anyones expectations nor behavior on you, I am however confident that win-trading like this definitly can be seen as a promoter for entitlement.

SynfulChaot.3169:

And don’t assume that I don’t also give tips. I do. But I also know that I would prevent many/most from having a chance to win were I do race at full effort. Especially when all I care about is the reward given to any finisher.

There was no assumption made regarding wether you give tips or not, the only thing I did was point out that while you claim the win-gifting is helping people, I feel that tips would be more beneficial.

So take the longer routes, put limitations on yourself and still try to win, atleast you’re not giving it away for free then.

SynfulChaot.3169:

I’ve not really called those players selfish. They got the the line first and it’s their choice as far as what to do. I’ve actually called players out for demanding those that finish first to throw their race.

The only one that gets to make that decision is the one that arrives there first. And it should only be thrown if that is what they want. Not if it is only what others want them to do.

You’re correct and it was sloppy by me to put it the way I did as it wasn’t targeted at you but rather at a bunch of other individuals, sorry for that.

Yes, but this might end up becoming a “thing” in the future, whenever theres a event that offers you a reward for fulfilling objective X in a competitive enviroment, it may just become the norm of the community that people are expected to pass up on their winnings in an attempt to advance the less fortunate ones.

Personally I’d like to see an increased amount of AP rewarded for the PvP achievements, they’re few in numbers and awards roughly the same amount of AP as PvE achievements while taking longer to obtain, aswell as more effort.
Take for example the WvW slayer achievement, 51 AP for 250.000 kills, which is kinda low considering the sheer amount of time and effort you will spend on acquiring these.
Same applies to the various “Champion <prof>” titles from tPvP which does take a significant amount of time to acquire, yet only rewards 35.

But other than that, remember that you get APs for doing the living story aswell, and the agent of entropy grants you 2 for every 200 items you salvage(Oddly enough, salvaging pvp items in the mists doesn’t count towards this.)

SlothBear.9846:

I have to admit I’ve got some cool looking stuff out of the pvp chest. I have actually changed my pvp character’s look, which I never planned on doing before. Nice little way to show us new skins we wouldn’t know to go looking for otherwise.

…of course some of them don’t exist in PvE but we can worry about that later.

To me the PvP chest doesn’t really provide anything but I’m not complaining, these achievement chests are simply amazing considering they’re basically just.. free stuff!

That said I’m curious, what pvp skins have you found that are not availible in pve? O_o

SynfulChaot.3169:

I help others. That is no more ‘fueling the flames of entitlement’ than anything else. If you think that all must be selfish individuals and never deign to help others to prevent feelings of entitlement then I think you’ve missed both the point and any chance of human decency. I help others to be a good person and because I feel it’s the right action. Not because others expect me to.

More logical fallacies, but hey, keep em coming.
There is “helping” people and then theres actually helping people, giving someone a free win isn’t going to accomplish anything but to bring up an expectation that the same may occur further down the line, when said expectation goes unfullfilled you may just end up looking like you feel entitled to having aforementioned expectation.
If you were actually interested in helping someone, why not give them some tips on how to win instead?

SynfulChaot.3169:

Some people will feel entitled either way. My actions do not affect their entitlement. They either do or don’t feel entitled. All I do is race to the line then allow others the win. Nothing more or less. I will not change my actions because of others. I know that I’m doing the right thing.

Ofcourse, some people will always feel entitled, most of your actions most certainly does not have an impact on that at all, however this particular one? Maybe, but seeing as it is all speculation tho we might aswell drop that.

SynfulChaot.3169:

Now you expecting a different action out of me is entitlement. You think that I should act differently. Now if it is just an idle wish, then it’s not. But you phrased it a bit more directly than that, thus I was forced to assume you were acting entitled.

See this is the fun part, I’m not expecting you or anyone else to stop anything as long as it isn’t against the EULA.

I’ll quote you on this then:

Assume innocence until proven otherwise.

Or did that only apply to those who got handed wins for free?

Oh and lets stop calling those who doesn’t hand out wins selfish shall we?

Darkdanjal.3401:

if someone lik kungentv responds to this and agrees Im sure its not that simple>

@Wolfheart: GW2 is nothing new, its except for the dodge still target based combat, TERA way better
@Lue: yes he is stating what some already concluded but I saw not any famous youtube caster say anything about is
@ simplified yes, but the point of that vid isnt to revolutionize something its to state something

kind regards

Darkdanjal

Nothing bad about Kungen, but him agreeing on this shouldn’t exactly have an impact on, well, anything.

Not that I actually bother listening to the socalled “famous” youtubers but I’d say the main reason this question hasn’t really been brought up that much is simply because most of us who played MMOs before WoW simply had reached this conclusion before, but it was enjoyable to listen to nevertheless.

Well, hes not really saying anything new so sure, theres valid points there.
Hes not bringing in anything new tho, hes just stating what those of us who posed this question before already has concluded.

Nightarch.2943:

As I type this, my teeth are biting the insides of my mouth and blood is dripping out upon the keys while Sigmar shakes his head in utter disgust but Trahearne is way cooler…. than Kormir.

Neither Khorne, Tzeentch nor Slaanesh approves..

Nurgle is fine with it tho, for some reason -.-

Conner.4702:

Lue.6538:

My votes on Evon, I miss Kormir.

Kormir was the original Trahearne, You do all the work and she gets godhood.

Kormir > Trahearne anytime, anyday, any cheese.

If someone is interested in grasping the basics I’d be glad to spell them out to you ingame, just mail this account.

My votes on Evon, I miss Kormir.

SynfulChaot.3169:

I don’t expect anything of other players. Not even common decency. Anonymity does that to people.

I don’t feel entitled to anything as I dislike the very concept of entitlement. Not sure how you think me helping others by my own free will makes me entitled, but you’re free to believe whatever nonsense makes you feel better about your position.

Since you completely missunderstood what I meant when I said that it was you and not me who needed to learn about entitlement, I’ll rephrase it.

You accused me of believeing I was entitled to having my way, something I never claimed and said that I thus did not grasp the concept, in return you missused the word entitlement as I had not shown nor claimed to actually be entitled. This in turn lead to me responding with that it was not me but rather you who were wrongfully using the term entitlement.

So did I actually say you were feeling entitled to anything? Nope, not at all.
What I did say however was that you used the term faulty when you accused me of said entitlement.

And I’m glad you dislike entitlement, pity you’re further fueling the flames of it tho.

Lets break it down to pieces for fun then.

Logical fail there. Just because some people are begging and we are helping others win does not necessitate a logical link between the two. I help others because I want to. No other reason.

I never claimed there was any correlation between the 2, I have however seen the following:
1. People begging for first place.
2. People advocating letting said beggars have 1st.

The actual purpose as to why you do it personally? I couldn’t care less.

SynfulChaot.3169:

And it seems you need to learn a thing or two about entitlement as well. You’re not entitled to us acting as you wish.

Ah so it all boils down to a misrepresentation of my argument then, a logical fallacy that is oh so common. Now the first thing you need to understand is that being opposed to your view on this subject doesn’t mean I expect myself to recieve any benefits for holding that view, thats basically what entitlement is: The expectations that you will hold special benefits or privileges. Now I haven’t exactly stated any expectations that would dictate that I even begin to expect you to ‘act as I wish’.

I am ofcourse strongly opposed to this whole win-trading lark that you’re doing, but that you mistook that for entitlement shows that it is not me who should ‘learn a thing or two’ about it, but you.

I’ve been able to clear through most of the living world content in less than a day, the only exception has been restricted achievements such as “eat a fruit at first light on the fifth day, then look to the east.” or if you want a recent example: The like clockwork achievement which you require 8 days to complete.

I’ve always been a trophyhunter on the PS3 and I fully intend to get as many achievement points in GW2 as I can, however I already know there are sections of the game that I will not touch due to it simply being too boring, how this all can actually annoy you is beyond me tho.

SynfulChaot.3169:

You assume we did it because people begged.

Is it bad that now I kinda want to keep doing it just to annoy those that think that it should remain exclusive to them?

I know people are begging for the title so thats not an assumption.

By all means, keep doing it, lets nurture the entitlements.

Meriem.3504:

Achievements * usually * are ploys to help extended the life of a game by replay value and/or challenges. However, atleast GW2 made achievement points meaningful and in general they just help you see the game itself so they have more * real * value. Killing a billion zombies in X game for 2 hours straight isn’t special. Do it if you enjoy it but otherwise waste of time.

Also the achievements mostly in this game are easy, they are more or less go do this and that rather then try to do this super hard thing. The Captain 15 min kill was a more actual skillful achievement and even 15 mins is a bit meh, should of been 10 if they were aiming for something hard.

Thereforth, the achievements mostly in this game are go do X thing and not so much a skill based or effort thing.

Even if an achievement is simpl to go do thing X Y times, you’re still going to need to put in the effort to actually do thing X, Y times.

Well most achievements are simply a grind to get, but sanctum sprinter actually required you to perform well.. until people decided to start handing it out to everyone who begged for it ofcourse.

I don’t like how I can’t lock down players like in GW1.

ahuba.6430:

I just don’t understand why people ask for 2v2 3v3 5v5 and skip 4v4. Attached to wow much?

You know I can’t really think of any game with a proper 4vs4 arena right now, whereas I can think of several with 1v1,2v2,3v3 :E

Demon.5082:

It is only to help level the playing field against fotm specs. It should have been implemented in WoW as well. It is stupid as hell facing 2 classes with the same spec (fotm) and get wrecked for no reason.
Ofc, WoW had diminishing returns to minimize this but since GW2 does not, 2 classes of the same spec (terror necro/bunker guards etc) simply should be paired on the same team.

I do understand that it is infuriating to face a combo consisting of for example, dual necros, but I would rather see everyone be allowed to play whatever they want than to put restrictions on it.

That said I consider a 2v2 arena highly unlikely to happen.

Brother Grimm.5176:

Sure wish I could sell this in TP….just taking up room in my bank. (same with the stupid video model of the Zephyr ship).

Every time i see them just sitting there I right click and hover over ’DESTROY" for a moment….

Destroy them then, personally I like these small novelty items and I’ve set aside a full bank-tab for the upcomming ones.

DanzelOPP.5068:

You don’t see warrior in high level play anymore because there are other classes that full their roll better. I run a 100 blades warrior in hot join because I can get my kicks by killing people who don’t know what they are doing in about 2 seconds. It’s a lot harder to run warrior against people who actually play together.

It’s alot harder no matter what profession you are playing so thats a silly argument to make.

And you do see warriors.

Ashanor.5319:

Yes, some warriors are doing fine, because they have good teams that build around their weaknesses more than they should have to. Something that shouldn’t have to be done and for the most part doesn’t have to be done with the rest of the classes. Those warriors would also do much better on other classes. They are basically playing with a handicap.

If telling yourself that makes you feel better then by all means..

The only thing onpar with GW1 in terms of effort is the pvp titles /ranks, those should also be worth 50p each.

Some warriors are doing just fine.

Only allow resigning when its 4v5 and all 4 must agree to it, then its fine.

GuildWarsPlayer.5608:

Have any Mesmer’s out there get 100% map completion soloing ? Getting to 80 wasn’t a problem but I have yet to get 100% map completion on my own.

If so, care to share your build, skills, and weapon selection ?

I 100%ed PvE with a sword/pistol + scepter/sword combo, ran 15/30/0/25/0.
skills were timewarp, decoy, nullfield and blink.

joni.7619:

yes yes.. 1500 rate ur max right??

Well, no.
I’ve got 2 gladiator titles from season 3 and 5 in 2vs2 as druid/rogue and priest/rogue aswell as reaching duelist several times between season 2 to 8.
However I’m not sure what my max was and since they’ve revamped the system several times I’m not actually sure which system you would be referring to as you know, you used to start at 1500, then you started at 1000 and now you start at 0 I believe. But it is probably somewhere around 2600.

joni.7619:

i would love the arena mode in gw2 cuz imo is the best mode for a skill based match, but right now atleast 2vs2 imposible.. maybe 3vs3 or more… but somethings must change or the matches ll last max 1 min.. there is too damage and 0 cc/ heal

maybe a statistic like WoW resilience would be start

Don’t get me wrong, I loved the arena in WoW, it was incredibly unbalanced simply because the game is not balanced around PvP but I still found it immensely enjoyable.

However it was definitly not much of a show of skill unless you ended up fighting mirrormatches.

And resilience would be an awful addition here, in WoW they had to include it because they increased the damage significantly with the launch of new expansions, this lead to the damage getting out of hand and as such resilience was added to counter that, you do not have that issue in GW2, in GW2 it is more a choice of wether or not you want to be a berserker glasscannon that either kills someone in 5sec, or dies in 3, or if you want to be a bunker that never dies but most likely never kills either.

Rayn.9231:

How about adding 2v2 just for fun. Then there could be special titles for 2v2, 3v3 and 5v5.

Absolutely, fun is good.

As for the profession limitations/bans for a potentional 3v3 arena? I gotta say that sounds horrible, people should be allowed to play it any way they so choose.

so you’re upset with the timezones, the amount of blocks, dodges, parries, evades etc etc that characters have.

You also seem oblivious to the fact that all professions can be played on range, obviously to varying success but if you’re hellbent on playing hotjoin, it really wont matter.

2v2 arenas always bring me back to the days of season 5 world of warcraft, where all you had to do was play a deathknight and you’d be granted the gladiator title for absolutely no effort. GW2 doesn’t really have the balance for a 2v2 arena either, but I could see 3v3 possibly working.. (Altho dual necro + bunkerguardian mirrors would be dull after awhile).

Well, I don’t think the pvp community as a whole is all that upset about hotjoin.

Shiren.9532:

Did you read the post? There is so much random variance in this match it’s easily possible to win through luck and not by being the best player there. The RNG in the power ups, the luck of being on a low latency part of the earth, the luck of having all new/poorly performing opponents, the luck of having people purposely give up first so that others can have it.

You don’t need to earn it. You can earn it (but you’re always going to be subjected to luck, both your own and your opponents) but the achievement is fundamentally ruled by luck. The simple fact that your opponents are random alone can determine the outcome of a race. Given the random factors involved in this achievement, what exactly is it measuring any more? As long as you can finish the race, it’s possible for you to get this achievement with enough luck. Why have a first place achievement when it has objective value in the form of achievement points but no objective value in the form of prestige?

Yes I did read the ramblings and in the long run, you still need to earn it, it is definitly not as random as you claim it to be as me and quite afew others have gained 1st place in over 50% of our races.

In 25 races I only obtained the light travel buff twice and it is most definitly a perfect possibility to win against people who obtain it.

Now is it possible to luck your way to the achievement? Absolutely.
Is it likely that you’ll get 1st through sheer luck? Well, no.

But again, rather a time-based achievement than a position based one, just like beetletun.

Dfalus.3659:

Seriously what the actual kitten is that?I will tell you what it is,it is the most gamebreaking thing i have encountered in any PvP game, and i’ve played them all.

Struggling and barely overcoming a deficit of 200 points while playing in 4 just to be punished by whatever that is that gives control of all the bases to the enemy team in an instant.
It is so kitten awful when the enemy has the player advantage and sits at 450 points while you manage to break even and get hold of all 3 bases just to get kittened by whatever that piece of kitten is and lose. It makes me rage on my team mates who have no guilt whatsoever.

So short summary is you lost because your team (And you aswell obviously) were unaware of tranquility.

Quick summary for you then: It spawns at 8.30 and you get there by either:
1. Jumping down the holes next to where you obtain the Stilness meditation, it spawns on the far end from the stairs.
2. Going through the doorway at the central point (Gate) and heading down the stairs, cross the bridge and you’ll end up next to it.

It has a fairly long channeling time, it can be interupted and if you jump down one of the holes at around 8.40, you’ll get there just in time to interupt anyone on it or alternatively channel it yourself.

It is hardly gamebreaking but I must admit that before I had learned about it I did share your frustration over “what the taco is that OP lark”.

ErraticFaith.9142:

Don’t worry alot more heavy mesmer nerfs are incoming. Mesmer needs to be nerfed into the ground. To the point it cant even take down chickens at godsword without backup from a guardian.

Once mesmer is the joke of PvP people will rest easy. Always sad when you realize your crap at playing yout main isnt it :/

Are you tired of waiting for mesmer nerfs?
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If you followed these simple steps YOUR mesmer could also be losing to an oversized chicken TODAY!

uberkingkong.8041:

Skyhammer can become esports for sure, it requires being smart and being good. If you can outsmart/ outplay your opponent you can win even if your not better in a straight up fight.

Those other maps all it requires is skill, theres not too much smarts to it. Sure you gotta play the nodes right just like you do in skyhammer but I’m talking about outplaying your opponent in a fight.

Also theres more hype to skyhammer, more laughter as well, the other maps are just too serious, there’s no hat tricks like you see in skyhammer.

Saying you can’t outplay your opponent on the other maps is perhaps the dumbest thing I’ve seen so far.

Michael.7382:

Sorry Tom, I idgaf bout hot join zergfest where u dont need any self def coz ur group will save u…

That build actually works in tPvP to a certain extent, altho I think my mesmer could take it.

Arganthium.5638:

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As for the topic at hand, I don’t find them to be that much of a problem.

Shiren.9532:

They can’t even create a proper match making tool for sPvP, hoping for one for mini-games is a pipe dream.

I don’t really like achievements like this. They are far too subjective. One person might race the best racers and get first, another player might be in a pool of players giving away first, another person could be an American player racing against Oceanics with terrible pings and come first, another person could get insanely lucky with all the power ups (and opponents unlucky with power ups) placing first through the power of RNG (I was coming 12th and messing up a lot in one race, I got three or four skips and came second). If the achivement had been to finish within a certain time, aside from obvious RNG power up rolls, it would have meant a lot more than placing first in a pool of random players.

Having said all that, I don’t see why you wouldn’t give away first if you’ve already got it – you have nothing to lose and others have something to gain. All you are doing at this point is depriving people of getting an achievement. As I said above, there is no prestige to be protected with this title, it doesn’t need to be earned so preventing others from getting it accomplishes very little. There also appears to be nothing to gain by getting first more times than once, the rewards appear to be the same, so all you are doing is depriving others from getting them. You still know how well you did if you wait at the finish line, so you’re not preventing yourself from measuring how well you did, your just preventing other people from acquiring an achivement which is heavily luck based (luck in your opponents, in your ping, in your power ups etc).

It do have to be earned, it isn’t particulary hard to get but you definitly still need to earn it.

That said I’d love to see titles like this be time-based rather than position-based.

SynfulChaot.3169:

It’s ’ma’am’, actually.

Truly, nobody cares. You called me Sir, I returned the favor.

SynfulChaot.3169:

And I don’t believe there is anything wrong with asking others to help. If you don’t want to help them don’t. It’s only a problem when they start demanding that you throw the race. That is when it gets into entitlement. Simply asking is not. Asking is being polite.

Also, please do remember that some players have terribad ping, so they are practically incapable of placing really well outside of pure luck with the Light Travel powerup. That is the only way my Aussie guildie was able to win first.

But again, asking is not necessarily someone acting entitled. Demanding, on the other hand, is a clear sign of it. Now if you always try to prevent them from winning when they start demanding, I can’t fault you. It’s only bad if you try to actively prevent any who politely ask.

Just my two cents.

If someone is asking to get first place and is willing to pay for it because they’d rather not try to achieve it through normal means, then they’re not meant to have that title.

If someone sits in the chat and asks anyone who gets 1st place to leave, then they’re not really supposed to have that title.

If someone however would explain in a proper manner that “due to my high ping towards these servers I can’t really compete here.” then I don’t quite see why they wouldn’t deserve it.