Guild Wars 2

DevonCarver.5370:

Hey everyone,

I wanted to chime in again and say that the discussion around population imbalance and WvW has been really wide-open and interesting. There are some definite things we’ve learned from reading your responses and some really interesting ideas in here as well. The goal of this initiative is to foster discussion about the game and for that discussion to help us make better design decisions in the future. I think there have been some good points raised in this thread and I’ve definitely seen some new ways of looking at the problem. This particular issue is very thorny, which makes it a bit more difficult to wade into the conversation. Population affects so many other areas that it makes it complicated to untangle it and get actionable ideas. We believe that between the studio and the community we can find new ways of looking at the problems that can lead us to great solutions, and we appreciate your taking the time and energy to share your thoughts. Hopefully we can all take WvW and Guild Wars 2 further by being able to work some of these problems out together.

I wanted to further discuss a couple of ideas. Firstly, several posts have called for reduced map caps in WvW. The problem that would create is that we’d be allowing even fewer people to play in a given period of time if we were to do that. So I wonder if there is another way to accomplish the same goal, while not disenfranchising people who would now be unable to get into the maps? It’s a hard problem because the more populated servers face long queues while the less populated ones face empty maps. From my perspective there aren’t a ton of good options, which is why discussing this problem is pretty important.

Secondly, there has been some amount of discussion about the nature of server transfers and how that affects population. I think there is some space for us to make changes there, but there is always going to be a tradeoff. For example, what if we restricted or completely eliminated transfers during a season? I think it has some positives, but it might be overly damaging to people who aren’t intending to bandwagon, but legitimately want to change servers. It may be the case, though, that that number is so small that it is worth the cost. Or, what if we prevented people from transferring to the higher population servers, but not all of them? Again, it runs the risk of being a burden on some number of folks, but it may be worth the cost.

Again, this is a good discussion, it’s really important to consider the costs to any action and to remember that our goal is to do the best thing for as many of our players as possible.

Sometimes you have to be harsh in order to balance and save your game Devon.

I understand how big T1 / T2 servers are and trust me I understand what queues a T1 server faces. I’m from Blackgate which is one of the big 3 and the only way we can ever compete against each other is by queuing maps, is this really what you wanted WvW to be Devon? Queued maps across all maps as the only way to beat the other servers?

You guys talked a lot prior to this about wanting to enable skilled groups to beat bigger numbers, sure that sounds good until your skilled 20man comes up against 80 man map blob and gets lagged to death, if you reduced the map cap to 50 this would mean the 20man would stand a chance and be able to compete.

The simple answer to producing similar “coverage” on other servers is to disperse the players, it would hit servers like Blackgate, Jade Quarry and Sanctum of Rall the hardest, but so what? Real reform and change takes bravery and I don’t think people would mind at all if you reduced the map caps, because at the end of the day no one likes skill lag, no one likes being in a queue for 30+ mins, reduce the map caps give everyone a free transfer, balance your game. More recently we have seen guilds from EU moving to NA servers because of these ridiculous queues in the higher Tiers of EU, this is due to queues but they still want competitive matches, so instead why not help the lower “tier 8 to tier 4” gain quality guilds and make their server competitive forcing guilds to disperse instead of “stacking”.

Not only this but it solves majorly the ‘off-hours’ issue instead of all of your NZ/AUS/SEA/EU players on NA being forced onto Blackgate, Sanctum of Rall, Jade Quarry and other top 6 servers in order to “Queue” these maps to remain competitive the population in these ‘off-hours’ would disperse evenly across servers to avoid queues especially if you made the transfer at this junction of change free.

Be brave, be bold, make 24 / 18 competitive servers instead of 3-4. Make the bold changes and the players will reward you, not scold.

Thanks,

~MagiKarps Blackgate.

Ljiona.9142:

Shrug…15K isn’t that much. That is only about 400 dollars. Some people spend more on graphics cards.

Keep it up, 18 more pages to go.

Dunno where you get that information but a quick google of gw2 gold will show you how wrong you are.

Indeed he did

http://omfgdogs.com/

UltraHiDef.4809:

Rednik.3809:

Gilgamesh.7364:

I don’t think ZD’s is looking for your respect, they came to fight IRON and sadly IRON is deciding not to show up in force.

ZD’s was contracted by BG, that was conformed by their guild leader. And ZD’s was informed (before transfer) about 4h difference between our primetimes. Stop writing nonsense.

I have insider information in both ZBs+ZDs and from BG’s Warcouncil (sounds childish, I know, but that’s their leadership) ZBs+ some ZDs were bought with some heave $$$$ and were promised more gold if they stay throughout the season to bring BG “victory”. Well, what can you expect from a “WvW” server that takes pride in killing Teq?

Hobbitz.5831:

Wait wait wait……

Blackgate commanders actually work with their militia. You mean to tell me you actually communicate to them and type to them in map chat?

Wow, no wonder you’re winning. All our commanders do is call us kitten.

It’s a legitimate question, are you kittened?

Tarkus.4109:

Cuddlepie.8109:

Tarkus.4109:

Define Core; We had 390 people on the roster, we cleaned out the inactives who hadn’t logged in for at least 4 months by cross referencing their account data to the website and ANets tracking (~200 people rolling total were left), we had members who were in KnT/OnS who dual repped who stayed and were kicked (~170) leaving the 150 people who decided to move.

Calling the 20 people left the “real” core, especially the inactive officers who only became active when we left is kinda rediculous. 10 of which joined KING and 10 of which run with Vanguard whereupon the guild tag is varied dependent on who is commanding. The incident is similar to what would happen if 4/5 of the active pop of TW joined SoS, but Zorh stayed and made a guild called “Exiled wolves of the tempest” [TW] and claimed that TW never left. Looks good on paper but is just absurd as hell.

All respect to the guys who stayed, but to say the guild never left is just wrong. I don’t want to come back to this thread to correct karps, but seriously stop peddling this lie. If you are kicked or leave a guild you are by definition not in the guild.

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I’m not peddling any lies mate, my opinions on this are well known and personally I enjoy hearing all the rumours and things you guys spurt about us and love hearing from friends how you rage at your new server as much as you did before and this time I can poke and prod at you as an enemy theres a reason many stayed and keep coming back.

BG is a great server that you fail to see, 0 kittens given about your opinions as all you are is a glory seeker who plays excessive hours and pretends he’s good. Winning isn’t everything you failed to see this in the move and if you had of listened to me in the first place instead of having an irrational hatred for Blackgate you would of seen the victory BG would have in the leagues as I did.

Firstly, where have I stated that I hated BG – I left sure but did I go onto TS and abuse them? Did I type on this forum that I hated them? Did I move because I wanted to move personally and not for the health of the guild? The answers to these are no, I was permabanned off the forums and TS before I was given the chance to say peace out to the guys I had worked with for several months almost every night. Keep in mind I’m not the one trash talking servers, or guilds – I was disappointed at the way that the ppt went for SoR (due to wrex being in hospital) but that’s it.

Secondly, I moved out of loyalty to the guild and the guild leader – not to win, you are very aware of what the leadership situation was and I had to follow suit to keep the guild running. Call me a yes-man, but don’t make it out that I enjoyed that aspect of it. You don’t win many arguments insulting the other guy, keep that in mind.

The desire to dance in the forum limelight got too much for you, Tark?

Let’s review:

You’ve said – on these forums – that MERC who stayed were “dead weight” and that cutting them resulted in the best fights you’d had all year. You’ve since tried to rewrite history by saying that the dead weight were simply “inactives” … but inactives don’t affect fights in any way. Disingenuous. You edited your post once this stirred up the reaction you might have seen coming. I have the screenshots of your unedited post.

You say “I’m not peddling any lies mate” and also “I’m not the one trash talking servers, or guilds”. You’ve trash talked the MERC who stayed on BG on another forum, calling them “fake MERC”, “incompetent” and insulting individuals. Again, I have the screenshots.

You’ve told me elsewhere that you wanted to be “constructive” and that people should stop raising dramas on the forums (got those screenshots). And yet here you are. Again. Insulting a member of your previous guild who stayed to rebuild the community you left.

(edited to fix quote extracts)

Firstly cuds, this isn’t your guild we’re talking about and you’ve been taking me out of context ever since I started talking as you have an axe to grind. If you say you got rid of inactives and said you have good fights they are seperate statements, you chose to link the two to make a PvF argument to prop up your ego go straight ahead. If someone makes a false statement, such as “MERC never left” you have to correct them – no questions, no ego, no forum reputation. Also you conflated inactive with incompetent, which I never said, neither did I insult karps other than saying that he was wrong – he was the one with the personal attacks.

Stating facts for the move to JQ isn’t a personal attack, but yes some of them are.

Tarkus.4109:

MagiKarp.8201:

Tarkus.4109:

Neuromancer.2148:

dragon.8071:

MagiKarp.8201:

MERC never left, only a few people seeking easier shores and to win ppt war (ironic given ur post), they didn’t fit in on BG anymore.

not according to comrade kiff. he say merc left. you now say few people left. you lie or comrade kiff?

Because it’s not a simple answer. The tag left. Some commanders left. Some members left. Much of the core remains in BG.

Define Core; We had 390 people on the roster, we cleaned out the inactives who hadn’t logged in for at least 4 months by cross referencing their account data to the website and ANets tracking (~200 people rolling total were left), we had members who were in KnT/OnS who dual repped who stayed and were kicked (~170) leaving the 150 people who decided to move.

Calling the 20 people left the “real” core, especially the inactive officers who only became active when we left is kinda rediculous. 10 of which joined KING and 10 of which run with Vanguard whereupon the guild tag is varied dependent on who is commanding. The incident is similar to what would happen if 4/5 of the active pop of TW joined SoS, but Zorh stayed and made a guild called “Exiled wolves of the tempest” [TW] and claimed that TW never left. Looks good on paper but is just absurd as hell.

All respect to the guys who stayed, but to say the guild never left is just wrong. I don’t want to come back to this thread to correct karps, but seriously stop peddling this lie. If you are kicked or leave a guild you are by definition not in the guild.

20? Last I checked the roster had 85 people (all very active and I know every one by name therefore core), but sure, keep telling yourself that, by definition you had to make a new guild as well, so therefore “not in the guild”.

I’m not peddling any lies mate, my opinions on this are well known and personally I enjoy hearing all the rumours and things you guys spurt about us and love hearing from friends how you rage at your new server as much as you did before and this time I can poke and prod at you as an enemy theres a reason many stayed and keep coming back.

BG is a great server that you fail to see, 0 kittens given about your opinions as all you are is a glory seeker who plays excessive hours and pretends he’s good. Winning isn’t everything you failed to see this in the move and if you had of listened to me in the first place instead of having an irrational hatred for Blackgate you would of seen the victory BG would have in the leagues as I did.

Firstly, where have I stated that I hated BG – I left sure but did I go onto TS and abuse them? Did I type on this forum that I hated them? Did I move because I wanted to move personally and not for the health of the guild? The answers to these are no, I was permabanned off the forums and TS before I was given the chance to say peace out to the guys I had worked with for several months almost every night. Keep in mind I’m not the one trash talking servers, or guilds – I was disappointed at the way that the ppt went for SoR (due to wrex being in hospital) but that’s it.

Secondly, I moved out of loyalty to the guild and the guild leader – not to win, you are very aware of what the leadership situation was and I had to follow suit to keep the guild running. Call me a yes-man, but don’t make it out that I enjoyed that aspect of it. You don’t win many arguments insulting the other guy, keep that in mind.

Answer your first point, many times in TS when we were debating the move, twice I called you out on it and both times you said “yes”.

Health of the guild? Yeah I hear splitting it in two because other commanders didn’t defer uni or take time off work to play as much as you did. Telling the guild leader you would quit if we didn’t move, that’s totally for the health of the guild.

Perma banned from the TS because you jumped into our ts moments before you lead a golem rush against us yes, hearsay but w/e enough evidence and trying to recruit some of our other guilds to jump to JQ with you right mate, nothing wrong there.

I’m trashing you, pointing the finger at you, you know why? If Ravy and I had of said no to letting you back into the guild months ago when Ralikh asked us if we had a problem with it, we never would of moved. The guild would still be on BG and would be having fun like we are now instead of being stuck in queues the whole night like you.

Tarkus.4109:

Neuromancer.2148:

dragon.8071:

MagiKarp.8201:

MERC never left, only a few people seeking easier shores and to win ppt war (ironic given ur post), they didn’t fit in on BG anymore.

not according to comrade kiff. he say merc left. you now say few people left. you lie or comrade kiff?

Because it’s not a simple answer. The tag left. Some commanders left. Some members left. Much of the core remains in BG.

Define Core; We had 390 people on the roster, we cleaned out the inactives who hadn’t logged in for at least 4 months by cross referencing their account data to the website and ANets tracking (~200 people rolling total were left), we had members who were in KnT/OnS who dual repped who stayed and were kicked (~170) leaving the 150 people who decided to move.

Calling the 20 people left the “real” core, especially the inactive officers who only became active when we left is kinda rediculous. 10 of which joined KING and 10 of which run with Vanguard whereupon the guild tag is varied dependent on who is commanding. The incident is similar to what would happen if 4/5 of the active pop of TW joined SoS, but Zorh stayed and made a guild called “Exiled wolves of the tempest” [TW] and claimed that TW never left. Looks good on paper but is just absurd as hell.

All respect to the guys who stayed, but to say the guild never left is just wrong. I don’t want to come back to this thread to correct karps, but seriously stop peddling this lie. If you are kicked or leave a guild you are by definition not in the guild.

20? Last I checked the roster had 85 people (all very active and I know every one by name therefore core), but sure, keep telling yourself that, by definition you had to make a new guild as well, so therefore “not in the guild”.

I’m not peddling any lies mate, my opinions on this are well known and personally I enjoy hearing all the rumours and things you guys spurt about us and love hearing from friends how you rage at your new server as much as you did before and this time I can poke and prod at you as an enemy theres a reason many stayed and keep coming back.

BG is a great server that you failed to see, 0 kittens given about your opinions as all you are is a glory seeker who plays excessive hours and pretends he’s good. Winning isn’t everything you failed to see this in the move and if you had of listened to me in the first place instead of having an irrational hatred for Blackgate you would of seen the victory BG would have in the leagues as I did.

Doomdesire.9365:

JaredKincade.9761:

Doomdesire.9365:

JaredKincade.9761:

Lol doomdesire, I of course think BG is more fun and better to play on than SOR, thats why I am here, that does not make me elitist, just opinionated.

What makes you elitist is defending SORs position of dismissal towards their new wvw players and being “hardcore wvw” by detagging and exclusion.

I was talking about being elitist towards the players on your own sever, not elitist towards each other on this thread, you’ve taken my posts completely out of context but what was I to expect I suppose.

So basically, “your elitism is wrong and bad, but mine is ok”

lol

Elitism is elitism, saying elitism is bad when you, in yourself, is elitist, just in a different way, is hypocritical. That’s like saying Stalin is okay but Hitler isn’t.

I’ll try this one more time…

Many in this thread are accusing BG of doing something morally wrong to get our consistent numbers in WvW.

I am pointing out that it is the attitude of those like you in your own server in how it treat its fellow servermates in WvW that has caused a large portion of the difference in our WvW populations.

I compared how we treat are newer players with how many of your own players have said you have treated them. You didn’t deny it, rather admitted to it with pride you do not respect people on your own server, just because you know more about the game than them. In MMO vernacular, elitism.

Comparing the back and forth we do on the forums to who you admitted and purposefully exclude players from learning how fun WvW can be is apples to oranges.

I’d like a quote please where I said I don’t respect my server mates. I’ll bet ya gold you won’t find one

I respect my server mates which includes PvE just as much as my guildies. Nor have I said that we deny new WvWers. I am an avid spammer of TS myself. What I said is that SoR guilds are hardcore WvW because we have are a hardcore WvW that focuses on a tight knit and healthy community, not one that is willing to mass recruit people on the sole basis of PPT. If you want to run with us, you can. If you want to join us, you can, but if you’re not going to be here for us when we need you, and if you’re gonna ditch us at the first sign of trouble, don’t bother.

Let me ask you a question.

Why do you think so many people leave BG or die on it? Why is it that MERC left? Why is it that RISE left? Why is it that rB is now merged into CHOO?

The reason is simple. BG’s tendency to mass recruit people who don’t give two kittens about you or your guild, only ppt, leads to destruction. I’m elitist, but it’s not elitist to care about your guild and your server.

MERC never left, only a few people seeking easier shores and to win ppt war (ironic given ur post), they didn’t fit in on BG anymore.

rB left because clear drama between them and other NA (second Irony given you say BG is where guilds go to die/quit).

RiSE left to find greater challenges and less zergs, don’t know why they came back to T1, another Irony considering Jarvan has quit the game on SoR.

morrolan.9608:

MagiKarp.8201:

Doomdesire.9365:

MagiKarp.8201:

OH WOW GEE A SERVER FUNDRAISING INGAME GOLD OMG SCANDALOUS.

Can’t tell you the multitudes of times I’ve been in meetings telling guilds we have some gold but nowhere near enough to help you get across, we can’t all be Jade Quarry and suddenly have someone splurge 40k gold from ebay to pay for transfers.

If you want to see a warchest try finding that JQ dude.

Well, RISE did just tell us that BG tried to buy back RISE at ~90G per member. Seems like you guys have the money.

Yeah cuz RiSE aren’t trolls at all.

I notice you don’t actually deny it

Didn’t realise you didn’t understand the definition of troll or the context in which it was being used, by calling them trolls implies they are trolling you, like they did when they told BG they were looking to transfer back for 3 weeks

This; http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=troll

Elano.2014:

Kiff.8157:

I dont see exactly correct ZDs filling up an empty gap cuz at some point, it is not that empty, some SOR SEA are used to play until 1am and that is exactly 2 hours after zds start their raiding. no resistance? absurd, it only happens if SOR SEA decide to change their schedule. Whom to blame again? BG? Brilliant. So BG is now your mommy with responsibility to ask you when to go to bread?

If JQ is allowed to stack their ocx/sea and SOR NA(remember WARD? I bet you dont), give me a reason why BG is not allowed to have a russian guild? and you know what, I think in your mindset, BG is not allowed to have any guild.

SoR’s SEA always had a sharp decline in numbers after midnight. By sharp, I mean at least 60%. That was since summer. I know that how? Because I play SEA every day, and I log off when everyone logs off.

That comparison is flawed. Every server in T1 has SEA and NA, it’s only a question of filling 4 maps or 3 (or maybe 2, in the case of SEA). However, I am pretty certain that no server in NA can field a 40-men Russian guild in that time slot except ZDs. They could possibly be the ONLY decent-size Russian guild on any NA server, which means they can attack any structure without a guild group opposing against them.

Just sayin’ replace the word ZDs with the word IRON and you’d be from BG or JQ.

Doomdesire.9365:

MagiKarp.8201:

OH WOW GEE A SERVER FUNDRAISING INGAME GOLD OMG SCANDALOUS.

Can’t tell you the multitudes of times I’ve been in meetings telling guilds we have some gold but nowhere near enough to help you get across, we can’t all be Jade Quarry and suddenly have someone splurge 40k gold from ebay to pay for transfers.

If you want to see a warchest try finding that JQ dude.

Well, RISE did just tell us that BG tried to buy back RISE at ~90G per member. Seems like you guys have the money.

Yeah cuz RiSE aren’t trolls at all.

OH WOW GEE A SERVER FUNDRAISING INGAME GOLD OMG SCANDALOUS.

Can’t tell you the multitudes of times I’ve been in meetings telling guilds we have some gold but nowhere near enough to help you get across, we can’t all be Jade Quarry and suddenly have someone splurge 40k gold from ebay to pay for transfers.

If you want to see a warchest try finding that JQ dude.

Cirus.5748:

juicifruitz.6251:

celeron.3469:

juicifruitz.6251:

Just because you weren’t privy to something doesn’t mean it did or didn’t happen.

At the end of the day your picking on one tiny wincy aspect of my post, and completely ignoring that the whole entire reason it was brought back up again was, because members of your current server, and newer members of SoS have said SOR was the sole reason SOS imploded, at that time, which I was stating is utterly incorrect, and at the same time, also point to the fact that if the SoS people really wanted to hate a server they should perhaps look at BG since your, now current, server took the lions share of the SOS WvW guilds compared to SOR, JQ, TC and FA.

So please don’t be getting your knickers in a knot because of the small aspect of my post. but by all means please try to point out where in my reasoning that it, if there be any server that, should SoS hate a server more, when presented with the facts, it should actually be BG.

It looks like you still ignore half of my first post saying the same thing you’re complaining that I’ve ignored. Go read it again, JQ was a very large reason for all of those transfers.

Also “not privy” is hilarious. I’ve specifically been talking about AoI, I have not once mentioned anything regarding MERC, for example, being “bought.” Which btw, was the entire reason this buying guilds thing ever came about. When MERC posted that BG helped them pay transfer costs for some of their members. This isn’t even close to a secret. However you’ve got some twisted revisionist history, where most of the guilds were bought and only you know which ones.

Protip: You have no idea what you’re talking about.

Protip: your still ignoring the fact the BG took, stole, bought, borrowed, received, how ever you want to word it the largest amount of guilds causing SoS to implode more than any other server, thus what my post was actually about. But you being so pro and all would know that and wouldn’t go on for 3/4 posts about the wording I used… Oh wait ….

This simply is not true.

Neither Blackgate nor Sanctum of Rall had anything to do with SoS imploding.

Jade Quarry had stacked itself to the point that it was winning match ups by more than 150k points, and they didn’t even need to try. (destroying tier 1 and the 2 competition in the process)

MERC wanted to move, and discussed moving with some of it’s close allies (ND and AOI) to move together. MERC approached Blackgate, and Blackgate (like any other server such as Sanctum of Rall) were welcoming to these guilds and gave the gold they had available to assist these guilds.

In the end MERC received a few hundred gold for the entire guild, and brought over more than 200 active hardcore WvW’ers. The gold received was so small that it wasn’t enough to subsidise the members. It would not have been more than 2 gold per member, when the cost of transferring was 45 gold per member.

So because the gold was so small and was not even enough to make a difference in subsidising members, it went to the guild bank to be used for WvW utilities. To pay for the transfers, MERC’s had to farm their own gold in CoF for a week.

And I know this because I was on Sea of Sorrows since release, I was both in MERC and AOI while on SoS, and I was in both guilds at the time of transfer.

The notion of Blackgate, buying, stealing, borrowing guilds is ridiculous and couldn’t be further from reality.

During the period of the transfer, some Sanctum of Rall posters were accusing Blackgate of buying guilds and thus doing shady business. (being the dirty cheating server that Blackgate is) Some MERC members responded to these rumours by posting exaggerated figures on the forums to enrage the Rallian keyboard warriors.

E.g a forum post from a MERC commander “I can confirm that MERC’s 1000 Oceanic members received over 20,000g from Blackgate to transfer over”

It was humour that may have been lost on some serious people!

I can confirm, that 300g we got really helped buy every MERC member to BG.

Lel, it’s funny BG’s “Warchest” is so big that it managed to fund 1.5g per member which is a whopping 2.5% of the transfer cost at the time.

#Buygate

Personally I’m actually quite impressed by SoR as a server, their ability to just give up and as server make a decision not to show up to “fight” is amazing.

I have many times when SoS/BG was losing to tell them “just take it easy, give up” been met with “Never give up, never surrender” lines or just generally ignored and we can’t win but keep the margin within 20k.

Whereas SoR just has this ultimate command over their guilds/player who just decide as a collective to quit.

So Question 1;

Why is SoR throwing this match?

Thanks.

Shifty on the forum;

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc275/Dani-Death/Cartoons/Tantrum.gif

Sanctum of Rall:

ZD didn’t make this come back, this was NA + OC/SEA holding on.

^ Mance

:D

Also: So much for BG not being able to take SoR 1v1! hope JQ comes back refreshed from their 3 week vacation.

I think you’ll also find, BG’s “Oceanic” is currently supplemented as well I know NOC which usually runs PvX 2-3 nights a week has been out almost every night, this in combination with KnT, ICoa et al running well into Oceanic.

#Swaggate #Beastgate #ICocaine #Nocturnal(literally)

You will never get Anet and the player base on the same page, always will have conflicting ideas.

Server population kerbing can only be achieved by forcing people to transfer server via either merging servers or reducing population caps on maps, forcing people into eternal queues and making transferring much cheaper to lower pop servers so that moving is an option. I also agree with the “make guilds transferable” posts.

So this might sound funny, but the solution I believe to Queues/population issues is to reduce map sizes.

Reduce the number of players currently allowed on a map from the ridiculous 80+ we see to queue a map and reduce it to 40-50 players per map.

This solves multiple problems, not only does it reduce queue times it will lead to balancing of other servers as people move off “T1” servers because they can NEVER hope to get into WvW in their current state, also allows for a more competative “league” system which also compensates for “offhours” if you have to put 50 on a map to counter the enemy force instead of 100 it makes “offhours” coverage a lot more equal and fair.

Not only this but when make the map sizes smaller as people move off the “top3” servers they move down to the “top6” so instead of having 3 servers with 400 ppl in WvW all the time you have the “top3” having 200ish which means there is 160-200 people to be allocated to create a whole new server basically, meaning servers like Sorrows Furnace, Devonas and other server who currently don’t get queues can experience what wvw should be but also the “offhours” or Oc/SEA/EU timezones can have real WvW competition and not be forced into “blobbing” in T1 because there are no adequate Oc/SEA competition in lower tiers.

Population imbalance has occured because Anet you have been too ambitious with your game mode, assuming excessive amounts of players will play your game, you made the map caps to servers available ratio much too high meaning that in order to “fill” these map queues the entire Oc/SEA/EU populations on the North America servers have been forced into 3-4 servers in order to “queue” your maps to remain competitive. As stated above reduce the map sizes, cater for less players on your maps and the other “lower tier” servers will gain coverage akin to the “T1” servers just purely by limiting players in map spreading your WvW population evenly across all servers.

I believe this will not only solve population imbalances, we will see truly skilled combat between guilds making this game represent it’s name of “guild wars” and by reducing the map caps significantly we reduce and can possibly eliminate the ungodly and unwanted skill lag.

~Karps ~BG

Cuddlepie.8109:

Keiel.7489:

PPT aside, and I can only speak for Oceanic/SEA time but WTF is up with BG just running away from fights?

Aside from us forcing the fight on you guys (in the keeps) every open field fight is pretty much you taking off in a different direction. The few that we do get it’s pretty much due to you having a wall or something to stand behind. I would’ve said you were waiting on superior numbers to attack, but even that’s not the case.

If your new tactic is to bore the few SoR players that we can muster up in Oceanic time to leave the map so you can PvD, it’s working pretty well.

If you want to see what happened in OCX/SEA open field on reset with BG – obviously only on one map – then settle back and have a gander at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YkQGQPThIc

I also commanded SoRBL last night for a shortish period during OCX last night. I had about 5-8 KnT and 10-15 militia at various times, and we were deliberately trying to hold the 35-45 SoR force on the map so BG could cap elsewhere. This was part of the cross-map effort to make up for the PPT monstering we received on the weekend.

This did involve teasing the SoR zerg (at North SC, NW tower,. around NW ruins and outside Bay) and then WPing or withdrawing – while BG capped upgraded stuff on other BLs.

So it wasn’t so much a tactic to ’bore" SoR players into leaving the map, it was a strategy to hold SoR players unproductively on a map with the tantalising promise of easy wipes.

what is strategy?

Keiel.7489:

UnrepentantProcrastinator.7420

Lol… How can you play in that time zone and be that oblivious?

I have very limited play time on weekdays to play so some of these things takes me a while before I notice, normally I just assume BG is being hit elsewhere and that’s why they are moving.

I’ve only notice this pattern on the weekdays when SoR has to make decisions on where to put their small force. I mean if this is what they have to do to win the season then good on them I guess, but at this point I think I rather fight JQ.

I find this statement Ironic, “I don’t play much” “SoR has a small SEA force” right…

#beastgating yo gates

Neuromancer.2148:

Butter.3024:

SoR 2013 – throwing since 16k points lead. Its both gonna be sad and hilarious if SoR loses this matchup after having such an advantage

All servers have lost matches that began with them having a commanding lead. I don’t think it speaks badly of the server.

26/03/2013

SkeletalLlama.5381:

MagiKarp.8201:

It was the first super-stack of T1, prior to this queues didn’t really exist, maybe the map that MERC/FOO/WM was on but that was it, not anymore ;P the good ole days.

What? Have we all forgotten the greatest stack of all time, HoD? Nothing in T1 since then was anywhere near the stacking levels of that. They had 24/7 queues that lasted for over 6 hours every day in all timezones during a time when the rest of T1 had almost no EU or SEA coverage. But I guess that was before the time of SBI and SoS joining JQ in T1. HoD was finally defeated by a JQ and ET double team. Then all the guilds on HoD transferred or quit the game.

There is always a super-stacked server/faction at the launch of a game, which doesn’t last long, I wouldn’t consider HoD as T1 due to it’s short stint and was still in the honeymoon period of the game can never be considered “actual”.

Kreen.3925:

SFShinigami.2015:

I only started playing a few weeks before the transfer, I thought FOO was already on JQ before that.

Yes they were, FOO were here before that. Remember Magikarp was SoS before BG so I am sure its all a blur to him.

Oh I remember JQ’s SEA coverage quite well, back when SoS/SBI/JQ the match in SEA was MERC v FOO v WM (3 guilds 3 maps) (EB was pugs back then for all servers). SoS got ND towards the end as SBI died and then JQ got 4 map coverage SEA. MERC and AFS batten down the hatches for the coming onslaught of WM/FOO which used to fill a map with their own member alone and we would attempt to weather the storm inside our hopefully fortified keeps enjoying strategies like this; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYjq_xLeOLg shenanigans.

It indeed was a blur, I’m sure many of the MERC member’s now on JQ remember the insane amount of guilds JQ suddenly had in the SEA time slot, we we’re constantly amazed at each night finding at least 2-3 new guild tags each night for about 2 weeks.

Ge, Val, DC, VwV, TKG, EXI, OMEN, many more I have forgotten.

It was the first super-stack of T1, prior to this queues didn’t really exist, maybe the map that MERC/FOO/WM was on but that was it, not anymore ;P the good ole days.

SFShinigami.2015:

Yeah the big JQ recruitment spam last year was more or less just SF PRX and RG who then left shortly thereafter. There were some small guilds but they were mostly absorbed into other guilds.

He says forgetting half of China.

Just sayin’

Stealth.8150:

nice borderland bg <3

Hows that PvDoor treating you, enjoy it, you have it for 3 weeks.

Pryan, forever in my heart.

Best way to start a 2v1 pm the other commander and say they said their mother was fat, works every time.

Kauza.6751:

Zero.5034:

Cirus.5748:

And this is why it’s very important for Sanctum of Rall and Blackgate for Jade Quarry to come 3rd if we want any chance.

I’m glad to see how little faith SoR and BG have in their own servers =) so what you’re basically saying, is that because JQ is stronger than both of you, that your ONLY chance to win this season is to 2v1 JQ every chance you get? I’ll take that as a compliment, though a server having to openly try to force a 2v1 on the forums kinda shows you how weak they are don’t you think? Do you honestly believe that BG or SoR deserve to call themselves the “top” server if they continuously rely on each other to try to keep JQ in third? Even after an entire week of this failed logic JQ is still right on your heels. Kinda shows you who the true number 1 server is doesn’kitten

Then looks like Anet has little faith in JQ so they decided to throw in a couple of easy matches for them.

Oh em gee

Never Die vs the world

So in more relevant news I ordered the Nintendo 3DS XL, Zelda A Link Between Worlds Edition;

Discuss.

So this might sound funny, but the solution I believe to Queues is to reduce map sizes.

Reduce the number of players currently allowed on a map from the ridiculous 80+ we see to queue a map and reduce it to 40-50 players per map.

This solves multiple problems, not only does it reduce queue times it will lead to balancing of other servers as people move off “T1” servers because they can NEVER hope to get into WvW in their current state, also allows for a more competative “league” system which also compensates for “offhours” if you have to put 50 on a map to counter the enemy force instead of 100 it makes “offhours” coverage a lot more equal and fair.

Not only this but when make the map sizes smaller as people move off the “top3” servers they move down to the “top6” so instead of having 3 servers with 400 ppl in WvW all the time you have the “top3” having 200ish which means there is 160-200 people to be allocated to create a whole new server basically, meaning servers like Sorrows Furnace, Devonas and other server who currently don’t get queues can experience what wvw should be but also the “offhours” or Oc/SEA/EU timezones can have real WvW competition and not be forced into “blobbing” in T1 because there are no adequate Oc/SEA competition in lower tiers.

~Karps ~BG

Le Rooster.8715:

Kire.2364:

Oh my an appearance by Stealth and Le Rooster already on page one, should be an interesting PvF week.

Relax i come in peace, i’m not even going to troll this thread =P

Why not?

Troll away, we’re gunna need some entertainment when JQ’s PvDoor O’clock hits.

Congrats to JQ on their win by default of Season 1 Leagues, well done Anet!

Enjoy the 3 weeks of pvdoor after this match JQ!

SoR won yet?

and a lot grummo.

JQ… the only server that can have 170 ppt with queues on all 4 maps, yolo.

Had fun tonight ;p was good to wipe me some ATM and MERC ;p

Neuromancer.2148:

gmanual.6519:

I don’t know, prioritising SoR Bay over 3 waypointed keeps in BG BL seemed a bit silly to me.

This statement only carries weight if we had options and the manpower to execute those options

magikfox – he purely said we we’re outnumbered last night in SEA, which was abundantly clear by the 400 ppt achieved by SoR and our inability to defend both Bay on SoR and BG BL at same time (all our forces were on SoR BL).

Your jimmies seem sufficiently rustled by a neutral comment.

Come join Blackgate mate

There are multiple Oceanic guilds to join with presence daily.

[NOC] Nocturnal PvX/WvW – 10-15 man Havok Rekking Crew Oc
[KING] Black Kingdom WvW – 10-15 man Oc
[MERC] Vanguard of Exiled Mercenaries WvW – Oc/SEA Newest of the guilds Fun is our focus, not ppt.
[Omen] Omen Gaming WvW – Runs the float team from 5pm AEST
[KnT] Knights of the Temple – Primarily a NA guild but runs well into Oc with hand over to some very committed commanders.

All reputable guilds with skilled commanders which meet your criteria, BG has a very positive and cooperative Oceanic community shown through on field success and I’m sure you’ll fit right in and get to smash some SoR / JQ faces.

Give us a message or any of the Oceanic crew – Veld, Blackest Fury, Choc Pudding, Alexa Lightbringer, Vortex Blade, Kaidengaran.

Edit: Also D2 rocks, all about the Fball sorc and trap sin (swear I didn’t stalk your post history)

Doomdesire.9365:

MagiKarp.8201:

Doomdesire.9365:

Jesus Christ BG, how many banners do you have in garrison. An hour and 30 minutes of fighting in garrison and unable to cap with all those banners.

SoR… talking about banners…

Never been in an hour and 30 minute long fight with that many banners in our garrison. The last 30 minutes BG didn’t even have a force anymore, it was just 30 people bannering the lord while 10-15 tried to ninja our hills.

There was probably 30-50 banners dropped on that lord.

Never? Well obviously you’ve never tried to take SoR Garrison. hehehe

Doomdesire.9365:

Jesus Christ BG, how many banners do you have in garrison. An hour and 30 minutes of fighting in garrison and unable to cap with all those banners.

SoR… talking about banners…

gmanual.6519:

I don’t know, prioritising SoR Bay over 3 waypointed keeps in BG BL seemed a bit silly to me.

Not so much prioritising as knowing how outnumbered you are.

We we’re fighting a “reported” 2 map queues of 5-10 min (FW confirmed) + forces on all maps vs a flickering queue on SoR BL and our 10-20man MERC squad :P had fun though, all that matters. The consolation prize was SoR’s lead didn’t increase but who cares.

Had fun defending SoR Bay with Dia and ND, TC BL and recapping BG BL multiple times last night against the SoR blobs.

Can’t wait for the opening raid, was just a taste! Carn the Vanguard.

You are all invited to BG LA to celebrate the eternal splash, with MagiKarp stuck in the mystic fountain.

FirstInfantry.2795:

i feel bad 4 the ones who spent time to type out a paragraph trying to recruit goku

One does not simply recruit goku, he saves, or destroys your world.

26/09/2013, in loving memory of Keith.