Guild Wars 2

Kontrolle.3514:

Sororita.3465:

Kontrolle.3514:

meanwhile all other classes got huge buffs.

huh…really…

/turns to other necros
“did we?” ….“no?”….
/turns back

really…

You got a buffs really, not that awesome buffs but buffs compared to engis.
You also getting burning soon?
really…

except engies got buffed too. and are still in a much better place than necros overall.

In my zerg busting roaming group (usually 5 or less players) the last thing I want are warriors and rangers. then necros.
not that I discriminate and don’t let those in, but it’s usually a weak spot in the group.

everything else is fine as long as they are decent players and don’t run full berserker builds.

Arkonum Blue.2745:

HEY, the rankings are clear. What about Tchuu Tchuu Tchuu? As a great happening for a great week! :-D

what about us? :p

we had a great time this week, as always against abbadon. no lack fo fights and most of our bandwagonners went back to pve. fun times

cheers!

cool fight vs fsp at their borderland near bluelake. 4 vs 10-15. you shouldn’t have laughed the first time :>

about the only decent fight we had all morning tho :<

thanks
I do run with condition duration, +50%. 10% from explosives, 40% from rare veggie pizza.

2 superior monk, 2 superior water and then 2x major of either monk, water or sanctuary.

aspollos.5639:

Hello has all,

In view of staff, I think that arborstone I go out of it tres well this week in spite of the permanent inferiorité.

Of tres beautiful fight of every quoted(esteemed), beautiful grip(taking) of fort there ninja rapids :p

Felicitation gandara for the victory and has cimefroide for attacks weakness ^^

Good game has all and reset voucher.

reset voucher for you too.

Soon.5240:

“HGH is just a trait. You can avoid it with this same build as long as you prepare for the inevitable drop in damage…..”

How much would you say Might contributes to your Condi Damage? Since it does affect it.

My main objection to HGH is that I (personally) don’t want to have to monitor boons – it just doesn’t fit my own play style. But you are putting out a Condi Damage-per-Tick that is just devastating and impressive.

if I’m not mistaken 20 stacks of might gives me something like +40 damage per tick on bleeds, +80 on poison. not sure about burning.
it is alot of damage, not denying that, but there are other options available, u’d just be tankier. ofc, playing an elixir build means you’ll be monitoring boons all the time, but even then, might from hgh is the one you have to worry about the less.

Yamsandjams.3267:

Remember all those threads claiming post-nerf confusion damage was now a non-factor in WvW? Yeah, neither do I.

I’m actually pretty surprised you didn’t go down in some of those fights. Just proof that a single skill misplacement can cost you a fight.

You’re using sigil of battle instead of sigil of strength, right? I think it’s just set incorrectly in your build link.

as I said back then, good players will actually take confusion damage now because its “manageable”, before the nerf they wouldn’t take any because they’d do everything to avoid it. As for worse or distracted players… they still kill themselves almost just as fast.

I chose a couple of fights where I was close to death to make it more fun to watch, the key here is the timing of my disengagements. a second later and I would be dead, but I could also have disengaged some seconds earlier and not risk it so much (or kill anyone).

and yes, I’m using sigil of battle, it’s corrected now, thanks for noticing.

the strengths are having extreme condition damage while having decent direct damage and still managin to be tanky due to boons always being up and alot of escape/immunity mechanisms.
pistol (#1,#3, #4) is decent at aoe damage even without coated bullets, but the reason you see some of the guys at low hp before I even target them is mainly due to retaliation or p3 bouncing around to someone in the back.

I guess d/d eles and corrupt boon+terror necros give me most trouble, d/d ele fights can go both ways, I dueled players like Intigo and it was 50/50, he won a majority of fights after switching to lemongrass food but before that I had the upper hand.

corrupt boon necros are tough because the condition overload is too much too handle with 409 and they can chain 2 fears (3, if they convert my stability )+ a daze while everything ticks away. with elixir C slotted in, it becomes easier, without it very hard. corrupt boon is also an instant cast and unblockable which makes it tough to counter it. even if I don’t use any elixirs, elixir B will kick in at 75%.
other than that, good mesmers and permasteath thieves can be annoying or take a while to deeat but I generally do not die to them.
and yes, I duel often.

my latest, engie solo roaming, t4 eu.

BrimstoneAshe.5043:

You’re so good at keeping outside of people. I tend to allow myself to get caught inside which leads to problems when facing multiple opponents. You do a great job of keeping on the outside. Like the group you hit at the tower. They were chasing you and then Elixir S > evade backwards… now you’ve flipped the script on them… followed that up with a supply crate drop. Just brilliant juking there. I need to get better at that sort of play.

PS Grats on 30k kills! It’s about 25k more than I have! Haha.

I usually run with a small group, never more than 5. We go up against anything, even 50+ blobs. The only reason we manage to do it and stay alive most of the times is we keep on the fringes all the time. when they chase us, we kite away. when they blob up again, we bite their ankles once more. Thats why you see me staying in the outside even when solo, because in my group when someone commits to a fight and stays in the middle of the zerg (or someone from the zerg gets swarmed by us), it usually means he wont survive for long.

Soon.5240:

I have SO been trying to avoid going the HGH route. You don’t make it any easier….

HGH is just a trait. You can avoid it with this same build as long as you prepare for the inevitable drop in damage. You will get something else instead and there are plenty of decent options available. the only things vital for this build are: hair trigger for fast condition re-application, fast acting elixirs, 30 points in alchemy for that extra boon duration. everything else should depend on your preference, if you don’t like or need hgh, then don’t use it :p

Eviator.9746:

1) How do you think your old build stacks up against your new build given the changes to IP and and confusion. I mean obviously the older build does less damage than it used to, but do you consider it inferior to your new build?

2) Your videos are obviously your successful fights, but how much of the time are your fights unsuccessful? How often do you bail on fights that aren’t going your way?

3) How are you so awesome!?!?

1) I don’t consider any of my builds inferior to others I made. they are just different. this one is the tankiest I’ve been with this sort of builds although it also has the lowest hp pool. I could still go alot more tankier with a couple of traits changed if I wanted to, but the damage output would suffer.
I tried to show in this vid that confusion still instagibs unprepared players, just as before, but my main source of damage now is burning.

2) since I moved to this build I lost one 1v1 in wvw. it was a d/d ele which I had beaten before (I have it recorded, it was a pretty good fight) who caught me off guard after I had escaped a large group. I didnt have supply crate or elixir S ready, he caught me in a cc+burst chain and I couldn’t recover.
I go in to every 1v2 with absolute confidence I can win, provided I get the jump on them. Sometimes I don’t win 1v2s and I have to remind myself I shouldnt be winning them most of the times anyway. the good thing is, when I see it doesn’t go my way, I can always escape or bid for time and try again.
I tried my best to avoid showing “pure” 1v2 fights in this vid because I win them so often I don’t find them entertaining to watch. I ended up choosing that last fight because it was the only thing I had that didn’t require a new song midway through it :p
also keep in mind that I don’t run solo amuch anymore. when with my group I can go for hours without a death. alone I die more often, bit it usually takes alot of effort to bring me down. I find myself getting invited to enemy parties all the time so they ask me how the hell is an engineer pulling that off.

corrupt boon + terror necros still have potential to destroy me in 3 keystrokes tho.

3)lol :p I eat alot of fruit!

@mister mustard, I think it’s something like “midnight purple”. I’ll check the name when I log in.

thanks everyone^^

yes, I know, 30.000 isn’t really that much. I’m still happy with it considering I never run in groups bigger than 5 :p

only 220k left for title!!

build: http://tinyurl.com/kzrc9es

previous videos: http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9NnXVfY4vRU1F-X7b1Oorw/videos

enjoy!

you are just going aboutit the wrong way. you don’t have burst speed but you do have cripple puddles. I normally have no problem outrunning the zergs, I even do it on my necro following the same principle.

also, cloaking device really helps. between that, gear shield and elixir S, box of nails and glue shot, I feel vey confortable escaping zergs.

I don’t care what others say, this week was a blast for us at Tchuu Tchuu, plenty of germans to fight, lots of relentless chases halfway across the map, opponents that wouldn’t give up when they lost a fight and kept comming back for revenge. Way more fun than last week’s boredom, where we couldnt even get a fight unless it was prime time with the usual lagfest that comes with it.

cheers at everyone who fought against and with us, we really had alot of fun thanks to you guys. <3

also, to gandarians, if you play during weekday mornings and you like to roam around in a small group fighting impossible numbers, send us a whisper, we normally lack a 5th member. d/d ele or thieves are extra welcome, no need to join guild :p

fun fights this morning at riverside borderland, it was fun fighting both rs and am groups with a 4 man party.
cheers!

nice stuff, nice choice on that first music. I gotta have some other funky good times on mine too :p

Im saving up for a full set myself. 2 or 3 out of 5 right now, I dont want to use them if it’s not a full set.

NevirSayDie.6235:

I think the focus on bugfixes is great. Sure, there are things that just need to be changed, but I think it’s good to get them working first and then think about how to make them viable.

what he said.

still, some major bugs not adressed, or at least not in the patch notes. how necro downed hp still isn’t fixed is beyond me.

I just roam around, either solo or in a small group (never more than 5) trying to take down as many as possible and still live to pick up the loot bags.

I guess within the group my role falls into:
-stomping (elixir S/toss S) when the guardian has his skills on cooldown
-calling targets, because any target with poison, burning and confusion and 2-3 guys assisting is done for.
-pulling those who get too close with magnet.
-dropping cripple puddles for escapes (toolkit #2, p#5)
-assist with aoe stun and medpacks (supply crate), puddles and elixir tosses when someone is in trouble
-dealing insane ammounts of condition damage while still being very very tanky. the few times I get focused, most enemies just give up and switch to someone else, because there’s no point in hitting me if I’m using S, gear shield, cripple puddles, supply crate while hitting with retaliation and having protection, regen, swiftness, and my team saving my kitten if needed.
-being independent, even while in a group. I can bring down a target on my own fast, others in my group very rarely have to worry about my health, rely on my own skill set to escape (while a guardian or necro will need something like mass invis or portal or refuge), go very deep into a zerg for a kill or stomp and make it back to my lines in good shape.

hi aiden, I’m glad you are enjoying your engineer and happy you made an engineer because of me :p
some nice fights in there, looked like fun.

a few things: my build link has a mistake, it should be hair trigger, not rifled barrels in firearms, I was too lazy to fix it after someone told me.
why aren’t you using timers on skill cooldowns? it helps alot :<
also, try to stop clicking skills! it really bugs me :p I’m sure you’d do even better.

nice job tho, keep at it!

no toolbelt skills share cooldown, underwater or not, elixir tosses or not.

as for tossr H not cleansing, I haven’t noticed, but I’ll check some footage I have.

I don’t run grenades though, nor do I run 100% condition duration :p goloith had a nice 100% condi duration build around the forums somewhere.

your build and gear looks solid, my only complaint would be you using speedy kits. if you have 30 points in alchemy and 3 elixirs sloted, there will hardly be any lack of swiftness while in combat. I think you’d be better off with 10 points in firewarms for hair trigger or 10 points in inventions for protective shield or cloaking device

Interesting. I have a hard time letting go of the reduced cooldown traits for elixirs and pistols, they always seemed mandatory for me.

You could slot fast acting elixirs and get rid of infused precision and you’d get the same uptimes on swiftness and much more (longer uptimes on every other boon, faster recharge on S, etc).

It looks like a nice way to get extra protection while keeping hgh and 409, but that’s just the opposite of what I would do :p I’d rather keep fast acting elixirs and drop either 409 or hgh.

the runes all work towards boon duration, healing is secondary, just a side effect of getting boon duration runes:
2x superior water = +15% duration
2x major water = +10%
2x superior monk = +15%
+30% from alchemy trait line

there’s plenty of workarounds and alternatives to this while keeping the boon duration thing going on, some examples:
-4x altruism 2x water
-2x water, 2 x monk, 2x altruism
-2x water, 2x monk, 2x strength (or fire, or hoelbrak)
-2x water. 2x monk, 2x earth (but for this one you need to have both protection injection and protective shield or its not really worth it, makes you have something like 5.25s on them)
-2x fire , 2x hoelbrak, 2x strength

-alternatively, you can drop HGH (or 409, but then you’d have to drop toolkit to slot elixir C or just let the conditions do their thing) for potent elixirs and/or use chocolate omnomberry cream. with 2x water and 2x monk you get +100% boon duration on elixirs.

And yes, I do really miss coated bullets, especially in bigger fights. Can’t have it all :<

edit: a couple of thing, first, its really easy to calculate how much extra time you get on elixir boons (don’t trust the tooltips) since all of them have a base duration of either 5 or, more commonly 10 seconds. so you tipically get 1 second for each 10% duration, or half second for stuff like protection or elixir C boons. each 10% will also give you 3 seconds on elixir B might and 2 seconds for hgh. the only exception is stability from toss S which lasts 4 seconds I think.
another thing I’d like to remember is that potent elixirs also increases duration on effects from elixirs, not just boons. stealth and the transformation from S last one extra second with it, not sure about the field on R, but it should too, i’ll try to confirm :p

well I guess it hurts engineers more because of kits, but on the other hand, toolbelt skills work the opposite way. And I do take advantage of that when I can (diving and hitting f1-f4 for elixirs, going back on land and have fresh cooldowns) so I can see why they want to prevent it from happening with normal utilities. Imagine having thieves go underwater for triple poison or signet activation and then going on land for a rampage with their normal stuff.

maybe the answer is to just have the cooldown switch to the land skill you are using, so if u used a underwater skill with 60 seconds cooldown and you go on land after 30 seconds and have a 40 second cooldown skill slotted in the same place, it would just have 10, instead of 30.

I have no idea what else you are using in your build, but maybe try to use EG for underwater fights instead of slickshoes? it would be in the same slot so no cooldown. I know it’s not the fix you are hoping for but at least you’d get rid of that cooldown.

I’d sooner expect our toolbelt skills changed to keep the cooldowns (both underwater and in land) than this to be changed; I’m pretty sure this is not an actual bug but a design choice, probably to prevent you from stacking effects while underwater and fight on land with them. it’s also common to all classes so not sure this is the place to complain about it.

Guard defense is pretty much all I took for every character I have. Nothing else seemed even slightly interesting, only reason I ever stopped slotting more points into guard defense is I can’t put any more there, till the next patch anyway.

I don’t use siege weapons, I don’t get hit by siege weapons; those 5% less damage from guards help me when fighting people who hug guards as they so often do.

so yea, don’t hate on it :p

yea, I guess :p depends on might stacks and corruption stacks. no might and no corruption I get about 105 bleed ticks. 25 stacks of might and 25 corruption goes up to about 165

Kravick.4906:

Coincidentally enough, I also have an engineer at level 80, and I managed to have most of the gear for this build too. While I only played this character for about a week, I was still able to easily achieve many 1v2 victories using this guys build. I’m sure with enough practice I could be on this persons level eventually. However, I just lost interest in my engineer as its play style just wasn’t to my liking. BTW, I would like to say that engineer condition application is leagues better than necromancer, and keeping them on is just as easy. Again, as a necro, these fights would have been down right impossible for me to win.

This build is a lot glassier than the above ranger build, but with smart use of Elixir S, Gear Shield, Supply Drop, and some luck with RNG stealth from Elixir S tool belt skill, its a hell of a lot easier to attrition people with engineer.

Prepare to be… more depressed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rehB0OqtrPM

funny running into a movie of mine here :p

I have been trying really hard to get better at playing my necro but no matter how hard I try I can’t do the insane things I do with my engie. I find myself losing 1v2s and 1v3s on my necro, changing to my engie and winning them with such ease that I am left wondering why was I playing with the necro in the first place :p

I’m no expert on necros but I have tried and tested alot of builds and I finally made one that Im somewhat satisfied, but still worse than any condition build I played on my engie.

My engie gets progressively stronger in a fight, gets back to full hp from very low quite fast, has access to block, invulnerability, stealth, free stomps; I feel my necro gets weaker as fights prolong: long cooldowns, LF depletion, longer cooldown heal, hard to get stomps or revives going on, that low downed hp bug, etc.

My engie is also pretty independent in a group fight. I don’t call for help unless a thief happens to jump me when Im at low hp. My necro, by comparison, needs my party members full attention if I get focused.

I find, however, that both are decent at escaping zergs despite not having stealth/burst speed skills.

Necro still has alot of stuff I love tho, I can’t believe something like corrupt boon is so easy to use and has such a short cooldown and I really like the ability to chain (damaging!) fears, consume conditions, transfer conditions, tons of chill, plague signet, epidemic and others.

Anyway, I might make a necro vid soon, I need more footage and it’s kitten hard to get it. also, everytime I get owned I jump on my engie :p

I’m glad to hear that Stice :p

I do use it, just probably not as often as I should :p

A while back I started refraining from using it everytime it’s out of cooldown so I could take advantage of the 100% projectile finisher it provides. Of course, when solo this makes little difference since I have no combo fields so yep, I should try to use it more. Thanks for noticing ^^

nice vid man, fun fights :p
that rocket kick animation is half the reason you use it am I right? ^^

gl for your podcast!

thanks for the positive feedback once again guys <3

about napalm specialist, I feel its not worth it to get extra duration for specific conditions in wvw. it might be a good idea for spvp but for wvw/pve its just easier to get normal condition duration.
on a related note, I really like this build in spvp with a rabid amulet, that extra heal at 25% hp really helps alot. its obviously not as much damage as hgh/nades but the survivability is alot higher and you can hold your own even better in 1v1s.

Im not argueing with that, it was hardly the point anyway. the point was that the whine about hgh seems to be more than it actually deserves since there are plenty of ways to stack might and hgh requires quite the commitment in terms of trait allocation and runes to pull off. hell, engies can stack just as much might without even going into hgh.

Lupanic.6502:

Maskaganda.2043:

^
you’re right, I find it funny that some complain about hgh while I can get 25 stacks of might on my necromancer without really sacrificing much. 1 adept trait, 1 utility, 1 sigil vs 1 grandmaster trait, 2 utilities and a heal, 1 sigil and appropriate runes. go figure :p

also, correcting something said above, sigil of battle and sigil of strength share cooldowns. it’s not a good idea to use them together.

could you give me a link to this build for the necromancer

all you need is 10 points in Spite for Reaper’s Might (each time you use DS#1 it gives you 15 seconds of might), a sigil of battle (3 stacks for 20 seconds on weapon swap) and Blood is Power (10 stacks of might for 12 seconds). you can easily get to 20+ stacks like that. its alot more volatile than hgh, meaning you drop to 0 alot more often, but then again you also get 10 stacks in a single button. thats with base duration and not including altruism or might duration runes.
can also get might each time you activate a signet but it’s not very worth it.

sorry for the slight offtopic :p

^
you’re right, I find it funny that some complain about hgh while I can get 25 stacks of might on my necromancer without really sacrificing much. 1 adept trait, 1 utility, 1 sigil vs 1 grandmaster trait, 2 utilities and a heal, 1 sigil and appropriate runes. go figure :p

also, correcting something said above, sigil of battle and sigil of strength share cooldowns. it’s not a good idea to use them together.

engie pov in solo, duo and trio action against bigger numbers

Amadeus.5687:

Om Nom Nom! I’m just saying

Those what, 166 damage bleeding that pops up! I love it!

heh, that moment when you get 25 stacks of might and 25 stacks of corruption, stuff melts.

thanks guys ^^

Hai!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2n-xElqC2Ak

So this is the build I’ve settled for now after the last patch:
http://tinyurl.com/bou4hqf

I wanted a bit more toughness and defensive power, the confusion nerf meant I was taking alot more damage from 222222 spam before they went down and that made me switch some stuff around to get tankier. I also like how the new IP and cloaking device work so I got them both…. plus protective shield.
So -20 points in firearms, +10 in explosives for IP and +10 in inventions for protection injection. Out went my givers pistol and my soldiers ring for rabid versions. My precision went down, my hp dropped slightly, my toughness and power went up.

About the vid: some solo action and some duo and trio action with my guild. I haven’t been playing solo lately and I only rarely record group fights so this isn’t my best stuff but hopefuly its still fun to watch. everything was recorded in the last 4-5 days but I barely played during the weekend so.. basically 2 days :p

my previous stuff: http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9NnXVfY4vRU1F-X7b1Oorw/videos?view=0&flow=grid
cheers!

it just means the boons you get have a base duration of 5 seconds.

that particular elixir S bug has been around since ever, turns out I only noticed it now, so dont worry too much about it.
as for the rest, I agree.

Skitza.4069:

My guess is you never noticed it before because you were too busy doing something more useful than watching your hps bubble while under elixir S lol. This explains the random instant deaths I’ve gotten when hitting this skill, time to swap out my vitality weapons for something less dangerous.

I’d never use elixir S at full hp and thats the only way to see your hp fluctuate, but I should have noticed the corruption stacks. I remember discussing that sometimes kills wouldn’t count but I never associated it with elixir S.

as for the vit drop, I’m pretty sure it doesn’t make a big difference. your total maximum hp drops but nor your current hp. so for example, if you have 16k out of 23k hp and you use elixir S you’ll still have 16k hp.. just a maximum of 21k (assuming 2k from the pistols). while it does carry some issues, I think the main problem comes from condition damage/duration of your still ticking conditions and heal power you’d get from left over healthpacks/superelixir and whatnot.

JonPeters.5630:

Ok, I have looked at this. It has always been the case and it is not trivial to fix, but I will look into it.

Jon

you are right, I just checked some older footage and it was the case before. how weird that I never noticed it.

truthfully, I only noticed it today because I wasn’t getting corruption stacks after 2 or 3 player stomps under S.

thanks for looking into it.

JonPeters.5630:

Thanks for this report. I will try and fix it for the next build.

and thank you for aknowledging it and inform us it will be fixed.

using elixir S makes you lose your weapon stats and sigils. Although not gamebreaking, this is silly, using elixir S makes me lose about 2k hp, 10% condition duration (which makes me lose a tick on my bleeds= and makes my conditions tick for less. It also won’t give me on kill effects.

Im keeping toolkit, mostly due to elixir S change. gear block and box of nails give me those extra seconds to survive. prybar is still decent even with the confusion nerf.

I probably would go elixir C if I wanted tankier build but I’d drop B instead. I’d also grab potent elixirs back :p

So I just noticed using elixir S makes you lose your weapon stats and sigils. Although not gamebreaking, this is silly, using elixir S makes me lose about 2k hp, 10% condition duration (which makes me lose a tick on my bleeds) and makes my conditions tick for less. It also won’t give me corruption stacks.

I didnt see this in the other elixir S threads, and this is not meant to be a whine thread, just a heads up/bug report.

You guys experiencing it too?

so after some testing roaming here’s what I found:

-elixir S requires some getting used too and a change in the order I use the oh kitten buttons: instead of elixir s + heal + supply crate I now do supply crate + heal + s and pick up the packs.
It’s still very very good, especially for stomps or getting some seconds for another dodge or heal or gear shield. I always tried to save it for stomps anyway, so not much as changed.

-Confusion stil kills baddies, just half as fast, which is still pretty kitten fast in some cases. I found good players to actually take more damage from confusion than before since they now actually activate some skills while before they would just kite and cleanse. the 50% change didn’t make it half as bad. :p

-cloaking device: I actually like it more now. 5 seconds is alot of time, allows me to reposition and even escape zergs with a change in movement direction. I haven’t noticed the 25 seconds cooldown to be that bad.

-IP……… I really like it now, but I don’t know what to drop for it. I could drop the extra range but I’d lose coated bullets too and I don’t want that :\

I’ll have a new vid up whenever I gather enough footage.

no need for speedy kits, swiftness is close enough to permanent while in combat.
I might change for incendiary powder, still need to test if cloaking device is any good now.

I did some duels yesterday and barely noticed any difference while fighting the same classes and players. I still need to duel good eles and thieves tho. Also my dueling build is slightly different than my roaming build so I need to test that too :p

Updated confusion and retaliation effects to do the same damage as they do in sPvP.

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