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Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
(edited by Mesket.5728)
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
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Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
(edited by Mesket.5728)
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
(edited by Mesket.5728)
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
(edited by Mesket.5728)
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
@Mesket you are absolutely right there but what i have to disagree on is that legendaries require an insane amount of farming and gathering and or playing the market. But playing it is the fastest way to get money. It will always be.
If you are a game designer you can choose the richest players to be either excessive grinders, buisness men or the most skilled players (which would be a pvp only game ^^ ).Why legendaries are as expensive and as troublesome to get as they are was purposely chosen by Anet. They wanted it to be a kittening annoying endless task which takes you years. The average players at least. Look at me i started after the karka event and i still miss gift of might gift of magic 250 globes and 85 charged LS…
I’m not complaining though. I knew it would take me really long. I thought i could do it in under a year but i’m not too sure about that either xD
Just do your dailys play the game gather some gold and do the things that you like most^^ Even if it takes you 2 years you’ll get it eventuallyThere currently is no other option then making an AION, an EvE or a FPS :P (it’s a little exaggerated on purpose). But thinking of these design options i have the feeling that GW2, although it is more the 2nd type, isn’t doing too bad.
Yes, that’s the one thing that keeps me playing (though its been proven many times that playing the TP is so much better to gather gold than playing)… I know that eventually I’ll get one. What bugs me is that they are still considered top end gear (by dev post, cant find the source now) and one day, when they finally implement ascended weapons; they will have ascended damage and stats.
Do players who never leaves Lions Arch deserve top end gear? That’s the question…
You’re putting so much faith into contrived stories which have absolutely no supporting evidence. Then you’re getting yourself wound up in a tizzy about the things other people have and how you think they might have gotten them.
Just play the game. If someone else has a legendary, good for them. They look nice and maybe you wish you had one too. The way they earned it has absolutely no relevance to you.
On top of that, the “legendary owners are all people who have never left Lions Arch and spend 8 hours a day working the TP” stereotype needs to go. It’s not likely that it’s true for even a single GW2 player. Most, if not all, power traders spend maybe an hour a day at the most engaging in TP activities. They go out and play the rest of the game a lot. If the stereotype was true, you’d never see someone with a legendary in WvW, fractals, dungeons, or out in the open world. But I can’t go a single login session without seeing someone outside of LA with at least one legendary. Go do pent/shelter/jofast for 20 minutes, you’ll see at least two legendaries. Follow a commander around in WvW for half an hour, you’ll probably see at least a half dozen sets of legendary footfalls.
If you spend less time in life worrying about what everyone else has you’ll be a lot happier.
I’m not worrying about the rest, Its about my game that I’m worried about if any new end game shiny will follow this trend. Of course lots of people have legendaries, some people even have 2 or 3. That says nothing to me. I have 860 hours on my warrior and I’ve never seen a precursor even though that is the only 1 thing I’m after (chasing dragon timers, playing dungeons all the time and when im solo im constantly doing jumping puzzle and chasing chests). This means that I can spend another 500 hours without seeing one. Hey; I can even spend 1600 more hours without seeing one and this doesn’t end here! there is also the rest of the mats which also has very very low chances, lodestones! they have ridiculously low chance and you need them in the hundreds! Basically, in the end… all you need is gold and you can’t make it playing the game. TP players are always ahead…
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
Do players who never leaves Lions Arch deserve top end gear? That’s the question…
But that’s easy to answer. If they paid for the game and they got the top end gear through the game using means other than exploiting, then yes. They deserve it. There is no “right” and “wrong” on this one.
Well,.. there is a “right” or “wrong” but not in a traditional sense of the word. Its more an ethical question (can’t go to deep as English is my second language
) and the answer exists only on the Lead Designer vision of the game.
I used this example in another post, but imagine you are playing need for speed… does someone who never leaves the garage deserves the best car in game? just by reselling car parts? Maybe, but if that was the easiest way to achieve, would you consider it a good racing car game?
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
@Mesket you are absolutely right there but what i have to disagree on is that legendaries require an insane amount of farming and gathering and or playing the market. But playing it is the fastest way to get money. It will always be.
If you are a game designer you can choose the richest players to be either excessive grinders, buisness men or the most skilled players (which would be a pvp only game ^^ ).Why legendaries are as expensive and as troublesome to get as they are was purposely chosen by Anet. They wanted it to be a kittening annoying endless task which takes you years. The average players at least. Look at me i started after the karka event and i still miss gift of might gift of magic 250 globes and 85 charged LS…
I’m not complaining though. I knew it would take me really long. I thought i could do it in under a year but i’m not too sure about that either xD
Just do your dailys play the game gather some gold and do the things that you like most^^ Even if it takes you 2 years you’ll get it eventuallyThere currently is no other option then making an AION, an EvE or a FPS :P (it’s a little exaggerated on purpose). But thinking of these design options i have the feeling that GW2, although it is more the 2nd type, isn’t doing too bad.
Yes, that’s the one thing that keeps me playing (though its been proven many times that playing the TP is so much better to gather gold than playing)… I know that eventually I’ll get one. What bugs me is that they are still considered top end gear (by dev post, cant find the source now) and one day, when they finally implement ascended weapons; they will have ascended damage and stats.
Do players who never leaves Lions Arch deserve top end gear? That’s the question…
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
Legendaries are a luxury object. And thus prized as a luxury is to be expected.
legendary is a tier
That tier will be unavailable to other players for some time every tier jump we will have.
See what happened with triforge and amulets?
Well imagine having a better armor of any other player for about a month every time a tier get release or lvl cap upgraded.
I never wanted a legendary before november 15 as many other players that doesn t like those skin…
Wrong game. Legendary is mainly cosmetic. Check the stat difference between the legendary weapons and exotics in the same slot.
And what you mention is the gear spiral- again wrong game.
Legendaries represent more than luxury and cosmetic, this is where you are wrong.
There is no other achievement in game on par with a legendary. Remove Legendaries from the game and 90% will plain quit as this is the only thing remaining for someone who already completed the world, dungeons, and got bored with WvW.
Anet knows this and let the market madness continue as we keep struggling with 0,00001% drop rates. There must be a carrot at the end of the stick.
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lux·u·ry (lgzh-r, lksh-)
n. pl. lux·u·ries
1. Something inessential but conducive to pleasure and comfort.
2. Something expensive or hard to obtain.
3. Sumptuous living or surroundingsDefinition of luxury.
See point 2 and 1 which applies completely to legendaries.In no sentence did I say that legendaries are NOT and endgame goal. I merely said they are not essential for any content in the game as according to luxury definition.
I repeat. Remove them from the game and 90% will quit sooner than expected. They are much more than what you think. I’m sorry if you fail to see that.
Its almost every player carrot on the stick. (Even though many denied that because they already gave up, yeah… they right click them preview as well when nobody sees them).
Maybe you didn’t read my last sentence of the post you quoted…
Carrot on stick is the key concept here… they are not essential to the naked eye, but they are. Without them or the idea of having one eventually makes the game old fast.
What else is there for us, the players who are here since release and already completed most of the game content?
Why exactly are you posting in a thread thats sole purpose is to make legendaries easier to obtain, therefor by your argument removing the carrot and making players quit…
Looks like you took my first quote way out of place.As to your second point, if that is really your problem (I started on headstart as well) open the achievment tab and you will without doubt get pointed into several directions
I never said they should be easy, actually on the contrary; they are INCREDIBLE easy right now as they require absolutly no ingame challenge… Certainly, it shouldnt be around market difficulty…
be honest and grade from 1 to 10 the difficulty of getting the things you need for a legendary… consider TP category whenever an item has less than 20? 30%? drop chance and you need to end up buying them. Including Precursor.
You will find out that crafting a legendary is a small portion of playing and a large LARGE % of gold and TP.
And again, Legendaries are in the end what everyone will end up wanting. Nobody wants them until they played enough to gather 20% at the mats (or get really really lucky and get a precursor or two to sell), point in which they think they have a chance and start the endeavor just to realize they must play the TP to acquire one.
Consider this, without legendaries (or other cosmetic high end weapons), none of this posts and complains would exist.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
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I have to make the argument that your deals are coming at the expense of another player. You are arguing against market efficiency because you want to exploit other people easier, I don’t agree that’s a positive goal for the game overall (though I make no judgement about personal goals).
I have to make the argument that this is exactly how the TP already works, all the time. You call it “market efficiency” but it’s really just “he who knows what the deals are, wins.” I don’t personally agree with the person you’re responding to, but you’re trying to attack his point by holding up the gold standard model of what his point is already about. He is simply asking that the market be easier for him to play – as opposed to the people who play the market now.
Mesket has a good point. There are two games here: the MMO, and the day-trading mini-game (TP PvP). It’s become abundantly clear that being good at one yields far superior results than being good at the other, and they really don’t have much in common. It’s frustrating when you’re no good at TP PvP. You’ll never get the kind of gear / fun items / whatever that people who are good at it will get, no matter how long you play the rest of the game. Certainly the “play however you want” quote gets abused too much on this forum, but ultimately there is only one effective way to acquire end-game gear, and that’s by playing John Smith’s economic mini-game.
Malediktus: The person having the wet dream is John Smith.
Seriously, the guy loves pure capitalism. I, personally, was never a real fan, but this game has taught me that I will not enjoy another pure capitalism-based game again.
Thank you for understanding.
As I said before, I don’t blame John Smith here… his TP system is great and I always liked that this game has a harsh economy (expensive WPs, repairs, etc paired with low income from dungeons or killin); but this is not the point exactly.
I couldn’t care less for people getting richer and richer, as long as it doesn’t affect my game. Thing is, my game now is to aquire a Legendary (like everyone else) and I’m willing to do whatever challenge the game has prepared for me. Problem is, the challenge here has nothing to do with playing a fantasy MMO. The challenge relies on knowing economy, having lots of hours online to keep track of your deals and invest lots of gold to make more gold.
I dont know… I joined this game to use my axe to make gold (yeah, as stupid as it sound but I think we all had a similar idea at the begining) and not use gold to make gold. I leave that to real life.
Sad thing is, it’s not possible to fix this by increasing one part of the game income. This will only raises TP prices even further as players will have more gold to purchase things.
I just hope next campaign will have a new set of Legendaries and those will have NOTHING to do with items or drops but with ingame challenges.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
(edited by Mesket.5728)
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.