Guild Wars 2

Genesis.8572:

Since when is “steampunk” about symmetrical aesthetics? If anything, steampunk tends to the asymmetrical. It looks great on asura too and not just humans.

I was just a detail, really. Whole thing about the medium shoulders being utter crap is that it’s just some bulky armor covering your neck and shoulders while the other variants have some awesome smokestack style meshes.

I haven’t seen anyone even remotely looking like me. Especially on the face, prefered a more.. disgruntled look, rather than scary.

It’s very refreshing to see an outfit like this for a Thief. It’s simple, not overwhelming, yet it’s still there. The colours go well with the weapons aswell as the fur. A good 9/10.

First one is the steampunk version of a a noble style, second one is something slightly more disgruntled.

Penguin.5197:

Maybe on humans but on charr I thought it was the worst piece, its actually the only se piece I dont use lol Its not even symetrical

But it IS, the worst piece, for the Charr. I’d kill to get the Heavy/Light variant, I actually met an engi having the light pauldrons bought during the time all the shoulder armors had the light mesh.

The problem is that Sorrow’s Embrace medium armors are utter crap compared to their heavy and light variants. Very difficult to do anything steampunkish. Only thing close I could ever do was a royal guard variant of it on a Dishonored style.

Invizible.2960:

Looks like im wearing a ghillie suit in the middle of town, a walking lawn

Well, that’s Silvari. But I only said that it rocked because it’s a refreshing look. 90% of the Thief community is either with a full set of CoF armor (which I’d just want to hunt down and rip the guy’s organs out with my bare hands), or some human cultural stuff/duelist followed with a hood because they try so hard to become whatever stale Assassin’s Creed / Anime psychopath they idolize. There is much more to that, infact, more potential than any other adventurer class, which is depressing.

You’re Thief, not an universal soldier-assassin.

You know, if you people try so hard to not get your own section cluttered with complaints and other Thief hating comments, it would be smart to not bait them or just be kittens. Pointing that someone is wrong is something, being a jerk about it is another.

Another often underrated stratagem is to exploit their often oversized ego. Make baits, get them to make a choice between leaving for recovery OR finishing the job, you’d be surprised about the number of thieves choosing the latter option just to get completly wrecked when falling for it. Of course, it’s all psychology, and being an Engineer surely does help, but I’m sure that alot of other classes can eventually pull it off, the Guardian, the Warrior, the Mesmer, the Elementalist, and maybee… the Ranger.

Yeah it’s cool, but you’re just cluttering this section aswell with.. well, ‘QQ’ too.

And you repair stuff. Which makes the Engi crucial in most of battles along with Heavy Assaults, MAX’es and then Medic.

Tricky part is how do most people build. You can strap anything on an engineer. Nowadays your best matchup might be against the said ‘overpowered’ HGH*409 P/P Grenades when using Sword/Dagger, can’t live if you continually rip the boons that actually sustain him but you’ll have to be fast.

The boonless ones, which means.. either turret or gadget based, you’d need to make a first attack in order to know the extent of his skills:

If wielding a Rifle, there are strong chances that it’s a Static Discharge build (Everytime a toolbelt skill is used, you also shoot a burst of electricity) which means that their utility skills are selected in order to have decent damaging / invulnerability-applying toolbelt skills to go with the Static Discharges being thrown at you. Very few defenses, but insane control abilities, one immobilize, one pull, and one knockback on a fairly short cooldown. You must at least dodge the knockback (Overcharged Shot) in order to have the upper hand then go fully aggressive. If you decide to reset the fight, both the engi’s health and the cooldowns will be restored.

If you see Dual Pistols or Pistol Shield without the massive load of boons and Might on top of it, it’s probably a gadget/turret related build. Even without the stacks of might, the runes of the Undead will turn the condition damage into a force to be reckoned with and the use of gadgets instead of the usual elixirs gets the Engi so poorly handle 1vMany, but to literally slaughter nearly anyone in 1v1 if given the chance. The skills to look at are the Net Turret, the Battery Ram, and the Slick Shoes. The bad side is that you can’t really guess on the first sight which requires you to make a first fight, the good side is that he can’t really kill you outright unless you’ve got an oversized ego. Thieves Guild is naturally good against the Net Turret, if you detected the Battery Ram, staying behind the Engineer will take care of it, the Slick Shoes animation can be hard to see but if you detect it, just remain distant until it’s finished.

Now, you’ve noticed that all that information won’t give you the keys on how to slaughter all the engineers until the last, none of these two classes got an ‘I win’ button against eachother and the outcome is measured on who’s the most in control of the situation.

You requested burst rotations, well, we only have one burst rotation which is strapped on the Static Discharge build, throw Net, mash all the damage dealing toolbelt skills, finish with a Blunderbuss and Overcharged Shot to prevent the target from entering into its recovering stance, keep shooting. It takes roughly 20-30s for all the toolbelt skills to be up again, but most of the build users won’t wait for all the skills to be up before shooting again.

Well, I didn’t use it much before, now I’m sure as hell to not use it at all haha.

On the whole Evade/Invulnerability, I was.. pretty certain that before the nerf we were ‘Invulnerable’, even if the tooltip specified we were ‘Evading’.

Penguin.5197:

FlamingForce.6389:

I’m not.

*Gasp * How are you an engineer without being good at math? >:O

Elixir B.

What sets us apart is that we don’t have silly quotes, we don’t look ridiculous, we’re not from some stale fashion and we don’t mindlessly spin our greatswords for great justice.

Also, it’s much more than just grenades.

Woohoo, here it goes again.

Knox.3748:

I feel like im still the only player going full rabid on my Engi. Whats wrong with us fellow engis?

Most of engies are Rabid geared, these builds are the most versatile around. I have yet to find an engineer wielding a rifle.

Halcyon.7352:

It’s in all technicalities, an unintended bug. There’s a difference between strategically using skills to your advantage, and exploiting something unintentional

Granted, no one should be stupid enough to stand in a big ol’ bomb radius, but the same was true of 100nade burst, and look what happened there.

Now that it’s been brought to light, you can bet on some haphazard fix to be incoming, sadly.

A fix on what, exactly?

I’d like to tell you something.

Bleeds, no matter the number of stacks, can be removed all at once with a single condition cure of any kind. The last duel I’ve made with one of these Pistol/Dagger builds, the Thief wouldn’t harm me AT ALL because I had that pathetic Antidote in the med kit which cures one condition. All the classes pretty much got that kind of skill built somewhere or related to a trait, and they’d just need to pack enough firepower so they get you to make a tactical retreat and they’ll be back to full health with barely any effort and ready to fight you again. The problem is that you might not be at full health if you continue going on, and on, and on.

I don’t think we need more threads related to that.

The Demonic Spirit.3157:

Is med kit still better than the turret even after all these patches ?
Or med kit is better for mobility and turret is better on camping( bunker ) ?

Yep, med kit is better for the more mobile players, often hit-and-runners, turret is better on camping and point holding.

For my part I’ve started to swear by the Med Kit, the bandages heal for a total of 3k which isn’t something to spit on.

That’s much better. >:/

waka.9826:

Someone should have a time out.

You prefered quoting that guy instead of my threats of physical violence?!

You know, I should be ripping your vital organs out with my bare hands right now.

Eh it’s alright, I’m just as disgruntled at times.

Master of Timespace.2548:

Hmh, well I thought he’s question was sarcastic and so I replied in an insulting manner. Whatever.

No, I wasn’t sarcastic. I gave very little care to what happened to Thieves specs because the changes barely affect the kind of Engi I play. Even through a fair amount of time PvPing the few encounters I’ve made with Sword Thieves were the same as before, and as I’m boonless by default it’s like trying to extract water from a rock. As much as I know my matchups I only have rough ideas about matchups between other classes. The only thing I’ve seen before the update was a huge amount of complaints about Guardians requiring like 2 DPS specced classes to bring it down. I knew about the change on the Flanking Strike and the Larcenous Strike, now its smallest details…

I’m sure Engies wouldn’t insult you if you didn’t know about the exact mechanics of our gadgets or a couple of often-used bugs.

WonderfulCT.6278:

As my engineer I can perform much better in 1vx situations I feel. Also I have no fear of any build of thieves, however I have yet to come across an amazing thief player. My ratio of wins to losses of thief fights would be something like 30:1 but I can’t even remember losing to a thief as an engineer. SA builds do help them survive but does not give them an automatic win, it just makes their death take longer :P.

Engineer is a stone wall to Thieves.

Excalibur.9748:

In a couple of seconds you strip all their boons, and you get all their boons. Then you lay the smack down.

Oh, right, boons, almost forgot. Isn’t it remotely possible for a Guardian to show resistance to this? Even through blocks and CC? (Most likely CC) The only experiences I’ve ever had from Sword users were laughable at best. It’s… intriguing. Suppose it must be a real joy to dismantle boon based bunkers bit by bit.

Asura… too popular.
Humans… way too generic plus it would remind me of that godkitten hooded psychopath from Ubisoft.
Silvari… Well, not much different, even if I kind of like the cultural armor on them, it’s refreshing.
I considered making a Norn.

But Charr was the way to go as I really hate the typical assassin style everyone babble about due to too much animes and video games, and prefered an approach to a REAL equipment Thief with a duelist / warrior style.

I’m ripping my hair out with my engie’s zerker build trying to get through all the stacked defenses of a Guardian with the additionnal use of ridiculous amounts of hard CC and vulnerability stacks and you’re telling me that you die to a couple of flanking strikes, a backstab and some heartseekers? >.>

HOW is that possible, tell meeeeeeeeee!

MonMalthias.4763:

I’m not sure if you realise this, but Rocket Boots is actually working as intended. Rocket Boots is a self-inflicted Launch with Condition cleansing triggering After the Launch. It grants no Evade frames.

• This means that if you are Immobilised, you go no-where because you cannot move while Immobilised.
• It means that you can be damaged and CC’ed in mid-air after your Launch because Rocket Boots provides no Evasion frames
• If you have Stability, only the Condition Cleanse and the Stunbreak trigger. You do not go anywhere because you cannot be Launched.

This means that any change to Rocket Boots will not be a bug fix, but a change in the mechanic of how Rocket Boots works entirely.

I know. But I don’t really think that Anet intends us to travel 3cm instead of 50m during the MASSIVE, self inflicted knockback. The Rocket Boots had one job, ONE JOB! To get you anywhere, ANYWHERE far from the mess you’re into, no matter the way you land. And in the rare case where I actually accept the poor design on this gadget, would I really prefer a knockback (with the usual 3cm traveling distance) instead of a cripple, a chill or an immobilization?

I don’t even know why this thread was made if the OP doesn’t accept any kind of answer at all except maybe “Yes I agree.”. You had all the perspectives, the opinions, and the constructiveness you wanted.

Now was it written somewhere that you had to reply to every single post of ours insisting on your belief that it’s too strong like if we were all full of kitten? No. And that’s a direct insult. If you just wanted to let off some steam you could have just said so.

You’re probably not doing anything wrong, Engies overall have always been more or less of a stone wall for any kind of Thief, and they will often outheal your damage if you don’t put a ridiculous amount of initiative in attacks (which often results in death if it fails and they have ALOT of tools to block direct damage).

However outside of the Magnet they have poor chasing abilities, if you really don’t feel it at all you can just ignore it.

Well, he asked a question, I answered. >___>

Engineer is decent in PvE. It’s not gamebreakingly overpowered but it is good endgame material.

There aren’t alot of things to look for when going for Tools as a Condition based build.

There are nearly hundreds of threads on t he use of P/P Might stacking. But if you’re allergic to that, a gadget / turret version can be perfectly viable.

http://gw2buildcraft.com/calculator/engineer/?2.1|a.1m.h16.a.1m.h5|0.0.0.0.0.0|1b.719.1b.719.1b.719.1b.719.1b.719.1b.b19|3w.d18.2w.e12.3w.d18.3w.d18.3x.d18.2w.d12|a5.u64c.a6.a1.a6|2s.d|2d.2x.2n.2m.30|e

That one is an example. Perma-swift with perma-vigor attached to it, Tool Kit will get you out of some hairy situations. Rocket Boots / Slick Shoes are both replacable with anything you fancy. (Most likely Net Turret (which takes profit of the extra condition duration) Elixir S, Elixir R or even the Battery Ram can go there and be mixed the way you like). Add some Veggie Pizza in there and you get some good hit and run material.

Also, I’d like to point out that bleeds are just here to sugarcoat the burns, poison, and confusion you’d have put on your ennemy, they are a priority over the auto-attacks.

What you previously selected before my replacement was far out of the synergy or required stats, Static Discharge requires some power, Elixir H requires alot of points in the Alchemy section and seeing that you looked to include some gadgets you wouldn’t want to spoil your own fun just being pigeonholed into drinking elixirs and shooting.

Well when you make your entrance with “Hey, I think Supply Crate is overpowered, even some Engies hinted me so, what do you think?” well… you cannot be taken seriously.

The first couple of answers detailed the pros and the cons of that elite many times, and you’re always being like “YES BUT… YES BUT…. !” I mean.. what the hell do you want in the end? The crate to not be able to land on points so you can play your “dark shadow assassin of doom/mighty holy paladin” and slaughter the few bunkers able to guard the points? Because indeed, right now that makes you look like “some bullkitten thief who had no idea what the kitten he’s doing”.

Arganthium.5638:

I rather explicitly stated that the CC wasn’t the issue here, multiple times…

Just sayin’.

Are you going kitten -drunk mad because we can drop the crate on a capture point? It’s like saying that Thieves Guild is lame because it makes you invisible. And in both cases such a complaint doesn’t make sense. -.- It’s cool for us if you think it’s strong. It’s bad for you if you don’t even bother using Shadowstep and annoy someone else.

Uh… Why D/D buffs anyways?

Really struggling with the colour combinations.

Only idiots would remain in the Crate’s radius once it landed. Gives you a strong guess at what most of the Engi’s victims are.

First get it fixed, that will already be one step in the right direction. -.-

Norseman.4280:

Thanks guys. Yep the combat log showed exactly 10 pistol whip hits for around 1800 damage per hit. I appreciate the input.

I think there are those situational things with thieves that are just near impossible to counter.

Well in that case you’d just need to have a Block of some sort :/

Depends of the ‘get out of jail free button’.

I’ve been spending around 20min trying to instagib some sword / dagger Thief through hard CC spam and sheer Rifle + Static Discharge damage and the only thing I’ve found to succeed is to turn into a bait by reducing my health to 40% and going in hoping for the Thief to be overconfident.

Meant to be this way? No, at least not the range, but fixing the kitten idle bug on landing would be a great start. Oh, and same would apply on the Rocket Boots while we’re at it.

redslion.9675:

I think engies should have some sort of steam-powered exoskeleton on their right arm.

After all, they are attacking people with wrenches and crowbars, dealing as much damage as a swordsman. AND they are using a wrench. That means they are fighting with sheer brute force.XD

Depends. On my tiny Charr, equipping the wrench REALLY looks like he’s going to bash your face in with no care if you’re some Norn greatsword Warrior.

The Tool Kit is already a must-have.

You’re not a Thief, a Mesmer or a D/D Elementalist, which means you’ll have to be very careful, yes.

For my part I’m not really fed up about it, I find myself tanky enough to run away to safety with 1 – 2 people constantly attacking me and without counting the Box of Nails, the Glue Shot and eventually the Slick Shoes, but yes, you got to watch around you all the time. Price to pay for not being a “Cookie cutter wannabe 360° headshot noscope dark shadow assassin”, but on the bright sight you’re pretty much a dead end to most of classes meeting you.

Where is frudoo when we need his superawesome analyzing skills.

Aurust.8961:

I beg to differ, a truly strong community, and one that produces a fun environment to play in will greatly reduce the attrition. Thats why guilds on SOR actually grow instead of die out.

Time will tell you.