Guild Wars 2

Regardless of what you may personally want, your server has no interest in competitive battle which is why they show up with 3-4x the numbers every time an enemy shows its face. EB is likely the worst map to fight on, if we really want to team up and push YB, then head to your BL would be best as bots take up a section of your que, assuming the que system works, and I do not think it does.

I like fighting so it doesn’t matter much to me, but any Yak person indicating they want a battle is just blowing smoke up my kitten, because if that was the case you would recognize that the enemy needs a foot hold and not just storm anything they take with 40 people, minutes after they take it.

Wouldn’t get too kitteny about it, AR has some decent PvPers. I had much better fights against them with no orbs, then Yak with 3 orbs. They half decently organized as well, just lack numbers.

SmoothJazz.1375:

/salute back. I even was thinking about this today, wondering who would have one the dirt throwing contest if help hadn’t shown up. I think I almost broke my 1 key.

I was thinking to myself: that 50% downed damage ability doesn’t seem so useless now

13. Gate of Madness 58 919
14. Sanctum of Rall 475 702
15. Yak’s Bend 101 471

Just a week ago, and now by your post your ready for the big time because you had a blowout match against a tier you shouldn’t have been in?

You know what I find a server learns in a blow out like your current match? Nothing.

It is a month long achievement, if you cant get them in in 30 days, I just do not know what to say.

Just wanted to /salute the Yak engineer I fought last night between garrison and EH, on the SF BL map, had one of those wonky graphic guns that are 10 miles long. Was a good fight. Downed me first, then I downed him. Was going to be a tight finish, I think I was getting up first, just not sure I would have finished you off in time and you had all your kit still up. To bad those three other yak folks interrupted.

Either way was a good fight, one of the few I have had this week, so /salute.

I was trying to convince people the other night that we should all be attacking Yak’s BL if we wanted equal numbers. If GoM and SF both coordinated an attack on Yak BL we should have a number advantage because they have at least 50 bots taking up their spots. The other day there was 17 in one spot and at least 20-30 in another. That’s a lot of spots taken up doing nothing

Its GOON, they need this kind of gimmick to play. What is the going rate to be a goon for this game anyways?

While all of this is true, moving and creating the exact same situation on a different server helped what? Doubt it helps them in the long run, doesn’t help the server they moved to as it will sky rocket up the ranks, and then have to go through the pain of crashing down hard when all those same people leave for the exact same reasons as before. You think it is fun, for people calling that server home, to have their server destroyed like that?

atarigenocide.4987:

I do agree with the idea of being able to build siege at spawn — at least on borderlands. I don’t think it makes sense to allow that on BG because of the proximity to the keep. However, maybe that would be fine to keep things interesting when one server is dominating.

The problem is what makes sense in a match when your being steam rolled vs a match where the battle is even. Having siege where it cannot be reached is fine in a match like this, they can use the help. Having it when the battle is even would give a huge advantage to the defenders of a BL. Perhaps that isn’t a bad thing, but hard to balance I think.

I wouldn’t be opposed to areas on each citadel that is physically inaccessible to the enemy, but still vulnerable to range attacks where defenders could set up siege, but only so they could reach the two towers and north supply camp, but not the garrison.

Bear on the job.6273:

SF player here, and to be honest, the only reason I’ve gone into WvW this week is to use the bank/TP without paying travel costs…

Something to be proud of.

Chewie.1249:

TKG and COCO guilds with siege equipment at SF spawn.
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They own the objective, they are not allowed to put siege there? Seriously, if you are being spawn camped at your citadel, you just need to uninstall the game. You have a 360 degree area around that you can drop off of, yet your complaining because they put siege at a supply camp they own??

@joebane you should bug report that

Ecclaire.5421:

Niim.9260:

I have more toughness and health than your guardian, not much more toughness, but I have 3k more health than you on my thief and only 200 less armor. Your gear is kitten, your spec’ing to be a warrior, but your a guardian.

GS is awesome for PvE farming. It can also play a half decent role in group play, but for 1v1 it is kitten, I cannot think of a single time I have lost to a GS guardian. Guardian and Mesmer are my hardest classes ‘in general’ to fight for my spec.

You are doing nothing more than proving the point. You can spec your theif more tanky than a guardian, heavy armor user, and still do 8k to 11k damage. OP? I still don’t believe it though, I want screens. The same armor type as mine in a medium starts off with between 20 and 80 less base defense per piece.

Why do you assume all thieves hit for 8-11k damage? That is a specific spec, not everyone. You have kitten gear, just accept it and move on. Here is a screen from my defensive set, that I use in PvE. My damage cap in PvE with pistol whip is around 3k, normally much less as I only have a 10% chance of crit.

My other set which is slightly less toughness and vitality only hits for 1500ish on a crit, but its condition build.

The mats to make the spider short bow are very expensive, specifically the destroyer lodestones. I would guess the entire thing is pushing 250-300 gold in mats. Sure it looks ok, but might as well go for legendary if your blowing that kind of cash, imo.

Ragnarok.4586:

I guess if you have no skills and require a zerg to kill people, it could be beneficial.

They have that in spades already.

melodyca.8921:

You have this unique ability to be in every spawn area? Look. I’ve seen it done so its obvious we’ll have to agree to disagree.

I do not need to be. The reason fighting goes on there is because it is PvP with a safety net. Both sides have the ability to retreat to their guards if they are pushed. That is why folks are there, not because of a lack of choice. The side exits provide no support for that style of play and thus there is rarely anyone fighting there. You might get a ganker or two, but hardly camping. Given the general lack of interest in using the side exists, what group of people is going to stay there doing nothing, when they can join the back and forth push at the main gate?

Even if three exit camping happens, and I doubt it does unless it is for a strategic reason and what could that be at this point?, it is not happening near enough to count for the epic level of QQ about base camping in this thread. The majority of the QQ comes from people able to use the side gates or simply turn left or right instead of running straight forward. They just choose not to.

melodyca.8921:

Did you ever think that maybe some of those Yaks camp the exits too? I’ve seen it and experienced it.

They were not, and I spend all my time in WvW and I have never seen all three gates being camped. In fact for EB last night, I never even used the side gate. I ran out the front and turned right and ran without interruption, every single time I was sent to spawn. There is simply no reason at all to be spawn camped. That one time 2 players were camping a side exit, just doesn’t cut it as an excuse.

melodyca.8921:

Hey Yaks!

Its not like you have a low score. Why must you spawn camp? Talk about tactless and classless.

And now you’re trebbing the spawn area? Stay Classy!

Here is a crazy idea, use another exit. The only way you can be spawned camped in this game is because you choose to be. How can you QQ about something you are doing to yourself?

Last night in EB we, SF, lost Mendon after having it for 1-2 hrs and lot of us spending time upgrading, escorting cows, defending supplies. When it got attacked we have maybe 6-10 defenders, mean while two commanders and a horde of people are within eyesight fighting at the spawn and none came to help defend mendon.

As a player I could care less about the score. Target rich environment is what I like and am playing way more this week then I did last week when we were stomping. If you want to quit or spend your time QQing, that is fine, I simply do not care. However when we take an objective I will set aside my personal fun and come help, for-the-realm kinda kitten. I escort, I run supplies, I provided BP, etc. To see that kitten away because of a bunch of fails being camped at their spawn when they can simply run past or out the side exit makes me hate my server.

I am glad they are camping you at your spawn, you deserve it.

I think a backstab build is weak in PvE to start with, why would this impact you at all? In my opinion if you are having a hard time with PvE, you need to try other builds. I use different gear and weapons for PvE and I switch around about half my traits. If there was a build/gear locker where I could pay 3 silver to change, I would have an entirely different build, but I am too lazy to do it manually each time so I just adjust the traits on my pvp build.

Took me some time to try it all and figure out what worked best for my play style, but eventually I found something that worked for me in PvE.

Be interesting to test, I still think unload is junk though

I have more toughness and health than your guardian, not much more toughness, but I have 3k more health than you on my thief and only 200 less armor. Your gear is kitten, your spec’ing to be a warrior, but your a guardian.

GS is awesome for PvE farming. It can also play a half decent role in group play, but for 1v1 it is kitten, I cannot think of a single time I have lost to a GS guardian. Guardian and Mesmer are my hardest classes ‘in general’ to fight for my spec.

GSSBlunaspike.4153:

Think about it this way. If you knew that all you had to do was make a post to get another class nerfed, would you do it? Say you saw one that you genuinely thought was too strong, would you make a post knowing that’s all it would take to nerf them?

The sad part is most of the posts are filled with uninformed garbage views and opinions that often have little basis on reality.

I am not against the change, but I agree that the QQ response ratio from Anet is questionable at best.

While I agree about the amount of QQ, I cant help but read your post as:

Its ok, nothing I use got nerfed, you guys need to stop QQing.

Some people play specific builds to fit their play style, or that of their group, just because you do not play it, does not make it less valid, or their concerns less important than yours.

Is there some kind of graphical effect I am missing? Food that gives 26/30% magic find is hardly original, new, or even remotely useful over the food we already have. Other then to burn off drops from the events, what is the point of the recipes and why couldn’t we get something interesting?

I prefer carrion, across the board. I do not rely on crits, so rampager didnt seem useful to me.

I like to use this trap when the zerg is chasing me down. If I have a bit of a lead I will drop it and keep running. Soon as I am teleported back, I run the opposite way.

One problem I have with it is that white critters trigger it. I was very confused one day when I ported back and could only find a bunny by my trap.

Not to mention the ability is now more useful to other specs, like pistol whip.

Celeras.4980:

15% x 5 vs 50% x 1… looks like a net buff to me.

Add some haste… next big QQ.

Yea, going to miss losing the zerg by ink shotting into their own keep, running up the walls and over the other side. QQ strikes again.

Nice to team up with one enemy if your common enemy is zerging you down.

I think it is likely a good idea to identify themselves, keeps the conspiracy theorists at bay.

Moose.6294:

You just went a made a system that “REDUCED” the Oceanic contribution, therefore making the current flawed system “Oceanic players are more important than North American players” and changed it to “North American Players are more important than Oceanic players” WITHOUT solving anything, Bravo

His system seems to be uncaring what time of day it is, its only based on duration objectives go without switching hands. Given you still get more points for ownership I think your objection is invalid.

The problem is the tier system doesn’t function properly if the population of the server can change drastically mid match. Its placing was based on its previous population, not its current, and that breaks the tier system, resulting in messed up matches.

Toble.2968:

Culling and Rendering issues are often complained about. As of a week and a half ago, the culling issues have been fixed. I know that among myself and my comrades who have VERY nice computers that are fit for gaming specifically that invisible enemies have not been showing up recently. If you have issues seeing other players this is now considered a rendering issue and you need to either upgrade your computer or lower your graphics settings. This will not guarantee you a fix, but based on your graphics, your rendering speeds will improve.

I stopped reading here. Given that Anet is still talking about improving culling I would say that the issue is not just people’s machines. I can fight a thief in the middle of nowhere and still have them render out of stealth slow, so I do not buy into the pass the blame to peoples machines kitten.

The bigger issue with Mesmer portals is the fact that mesmers can glitch into keeps, they do not need to hide in there. In fact I would guess a lot of the claims that they ‘hid’ was more likely they glitched in after the fact. That bug needs to be fixed, otherwise mesmer portals are fine.

I think Inkjet is fine as well, long as you cannot get into the inner part of the keep, it’s usefulness is limited.

While we are asking for clarification, what about mesmer pets being spammed on targets out of LOS? What about catapults shooting through doors and knocking people off rams? What about AoE through doors? Others?

Folks always seem to focus on the particular issues that annoy them, but there are a bunch of issues that need resolution, not just these two.

Suun.2856:

To people who wake up to find that they are starting a new match already behind – the match starts at 10am my time. Get some oceanic people in there at the start, because we wont wait for you to wake up – just as you wont stop when I go to bed. That goes for “night capping” is unfair (or some such negative) – your night or mine?

When your zerg has a 3 to 1 [players] advantage on us and runs away, don’t blame Yaks.

I love when zerglets talk kitten. Your server brings numbers to the table, nothing else. Enjoy tier 4.

I am not, I havent been in GoM lands once this match, nor attacked a GoM objective unless it was in what I percieve as ‘our’ territory. The issue of course is that even leadership doesnt buy into this idea, so…. people go where they will.

Richard.2318:

What I was wondering is how the team balancing works.

Like lets say there is a total of 300 people allowed into 1 map.

Is it divided into 100vs100vs100? or first 300 people to join the map. (ie. 150vs80vs70)

It is supposed to work the first way, who knows how it actually is and the game doesn’t provide enough information for us to know.

I would say personally it isn’t working right. Early on there was a dev post saying that the que system was bugged, they were looking into it, but I have never heard anything back. At that time though you could be in a que, enter the map and have the undermanned buff. I haven’t had that happen in awhile, but still we had a que yesterday and the numbers didn’t line up as being equal by my estimate. That said perception is a wonky thing at times.

Lightsbane.9012:

slight question to SF.
you’d think that you would prioritize not getting facerolled in your own borderlands but instead fight GOM? common sense would dictate you would want your own territories back. why are you fighting us? are we so threatening?

Playing for the score board in this kind of match plays into the hands of the yakzerg. Game is lost, play to kill and have fun, map is irrelevant. Personally I wont fight GoM in this match because I believe that in a match like this we should be double teaming the zerglets. Other people give excuses as to why that wont work and that is fine, believe what you will, but I personally wont take the fight to GoM lands.

What we should do is make them much tougher, so no one needs to bother to escort them and we can all make sure everyone stays safely within hand holding distance of the zerg.

This morning we had a nice battle in Yak borderlands, lots of back and forth around the tower, had some good fun for maybe 30 mins, got the door half way (maybe not, but its good for moral to say we did), then of course Yak showed up with 3x the numbers, drove them all to the spawn and everyone left. I have no idea what drives the need to bring that many people, but you just kill your own fun in the process.

Richard.2318:

Lol. Yak’s numbers are too insane. Makes me question how balanced this is -.-. They seem to have wayyy more people even when the borderland is full.

I was thinking about this yesterday. I wish there was a /who command so we could see what we have. By ‘appearances’ when we have a que we are outnumbered, which theoretically shouldn’t be the case.

zardorz.7985:

What exactly are you talking about? I am on Blackgate server, enter wvw every single day and have never had an hour wait to get in.

A couple weeks ago the queue times were terrible and Anet has fixed that. Was it really needed to make a thread and pretend you have terrible queue times when actually you dont like people transferring to Blackgate?

The servers are for all the players, not for your personal use. If you don’t feel that the server you are on is giving you the play experience you desire than try a different one.

Yes I think it is perfectly acceptable to ask people that have been on Blackgate all along, forming a community, to have to move off the server to make room for transfer trash. There are some legit reasons for transferring, but what we see now is a rotating server killing machine. Have fun killing another one.

There are things with the thief class that need fine tuning, no question. However I am so bloody sick and tired of threads that just dump a random collection of half baked accusations that make them look stupid and then they are surprised when folks respond with ‘l2p’. How else can we respond when you post such a pile of kitten?

If half of you people claiming to be thieves, actually play a thief and not just try it out in spvp, you would be able to specifically point out what needs fixing instead of the vague comments you make.

I would like to see fragile ladders that you place at the edge of walls allowing people to climb up. Useable only on outer walls.

I am not sure it is fair to be nerfing the mesmer portal while so many bugs exist. Rendering is not the fault of the mesmer, that is a game issue that they are working on and will hopefully be dealt with. A lot of the keep takes by porting in an army is because of an exploit, where they portal past the walls. It is not because they ‘hid out’ inside the keep.

Fix this crap and beef up the orbs in general so you cant just break the altar and mess things up. After that if it is still a problem, then we can look at the portal again.

Halo.8976:

Gate of Madness and Sorrow’s Furnace, transfer to another server (for this week) where WvW is actually fan. I had a blast fighting for Maguuma.
Let Yak’s farm some mats in peace and quiet.

why would I do that? Target rich environment, is the best kind of environment.

Not sure what all the concern is about spawn camping. If they have enough to effectively cover all 3 exits to keep you guys from punching out, whats the point in getting out anyways? Go to another map, let them rot there. I have yet to ever be restricted from getting out of my spawn in this game and I doubt I ever will be.

Biohazard.4196:

Niim.9260:

Folk’s need to learn to stop playing for the scoreboard. It makes sense in a close match, but when you face a zerg server with night time population imbalance, you really have to shift gears and just play for the fights. Every fight/battle is as fun as it would be regardless of what the score is on the scoreboard, so just ignore it.

Granted you need to change your tactics and be more prepared when facing a sea of zerglets, but consider it a lesson in being organized.

Also I find the whole idea of playing for second place to be, well idiotic. I would rather come in last place, but had a great time all week double teaming a zerg server, then come in second place.

Fighting while extremely undermanned against foes with 3 orbs doesn’t make for fun fights. A change in tactics makes little difference in that instance. And I image the patience people have for such runs thin quickly.

Additionally, double teaming a “zerg server” sounds great, but that’s just not how the mass psychology works in practice.

Well if you want to smash faces with a larger zerg with three orbs, you are bound to be disappointed. There are other tactics however, other ways to play, but you just sit in your base and QQ about the zerg if you like, I prefer to find a way to have fun.

Double teaming doesnt work, because people put no effort into making it work, all giving some weak excuse as to why it wont work. Once again, enjoy going for second place.