Guild Wars 2

main character.5460:

Yeah abandoning your server will fix the problem. What happens when your new server gets steamrolled two weeks in a row? Going to jump again?

Exactly, we have enough of those kinds of players already on my server, dont need more.

Folk’s need to learn to stop playing for the scoreboard. It makes sense in a close match, but when you face a zerg server with night time population imbalance, you really have to shift gears and just play for the fights. Every fight/battle is as fun as it would be regardless of what the score is on the scoreboard, so just ignore it.

Granted you need to change your tactics and be more prepared when facing a sea of zerglets, but consider it a lesson in being organized.

Also I find the whole idea of playing for second place to be, well idiotic. I would rather come in last place, but had a great time all week double teaming a zerg server, then come in second place.

Invulnerable displays that though, not 0 or 3.

I think mesmer has more versatility than the thief. They bring more to a group, they are great 1v1, and provide many tools for, in, and around keeps/towers.

RamzaBehoulve.5640:

If you have almost no defense for over 6h, you deserve to lose and they deserve to win.

Entirely true, but at the end of the day who respects the points earned against undefended keeps?

Imo you find something that fits your play style the best, all the examples you gave work, its just a matter of what works best for you.

You do not need to get his name via report, simply target him, open the party window and hit invite or join as the case may be.

@Zsymon hmm, not sure. I tested this just after release with a friend, we both went roughly the same speed when in combat. It however was just one quick test, just after release. I never extensively test it and it could have changed since that point. Be worth testing again, love to know the result.

Dristig.9678:

There isn’t a lot of LoS in WvW it is mostly open fields where I can’t run from a 25% speed boosted thief.

Just to point out the obvious… 25% doesn’t apply if the thief is in combat, it is an out of combat passive. While you as a guardian have an in-combat 33% speed boost with a healthy duration.

When thieves guild is used on me I kite it and the thief, when they disappear I resume fighting.

@Nokaru:
there are two wall panels you can bash open, should have been more clear sorry.

@godfather:
According to you I shouldn’t be able too, which is the root of the discussion. Who decides which ‘unintended’ actions are valid and perfectly acceptable and which are not? You think catapults and mesmer pets are perfectly fine, I do not. I think 1/4 (2) of the classes being able to get into those keeps using a skill they possess is perfectly fine, you do not. Your entire post is based on the belief that your view is somehow more important or more accurate then mine. That is not the case, imo.

When we set up siege up on the hill to take our your siege we must defend it. Over the course of the 4 hour battle we lost our siege multiple times due to being wiped or forced back. How is it any different for the defender, why can they not be expected to defend their siege? Keeping in mind this is the outer wall only, not the inner. Other games like DAoC had the ability by a bunch of classes to climb walls, I view this as a great contribution to the dynamics of WvW, specially for those players that prefer melee to plinking from range or using siege.

Given my actions did not even marginally contribute to a win, then I would say your question is silly.

WvW is a lot of fun, I enjoy it ever time I go out, winning or losing and my server loses more then it wins. Sure there are problems, but nothing that truely stops you from having fun.

Sure, if folks stop firing catapults through doors and mesmers stop spamming pets on siege that is clearly out of LoS, until Anet says they are fine. The problem I guess in the discussion is that you see these things as being different, where I do not.

If I had an organized group of thieves, or any classes, I would do other things far more productive. In this case I would have taken a ram to the underwater gate and punch it open for easy access by all so that after we ‘ravage the place’ you would be forced to continue to defend two fronts or withdraw to inner.

@Godfather "Niims, i can’t believe your trying to justify your poor playstyle of using a cheap trick by going through walls, and comparing it to something like the catapult behind a gate. There’s counters for those, but in order to counter yours, we’d have to notice you, in other words you can go somewhere else and do it, without us being there.., "

I do not go through a wall, if I was going through a wall or using some terrain glitch I would obviously think that was an exploit. My ability shoots me up out of the water, onto the low part of the wall adjacent to the water.

The counter is pretty simple, you kill me. Why would I go somewhere you are not? What would be the point? To sit and hang with the NPCs? I am going into the keep to fight people and disrupt siege, which is exactly what firing a catapult through a door does. Killing me is the counter, a far easier and cheaper counter then folks having to move their point of attack on a keep to counter the catapults. Mesmer pets can be spammed on a siege engine that is well out of LOS or reach by the enemy from complete safety. How is that any different as far as impact and action, other then those things can be done anywhere and I can only get into the outside wall of 4 keeps?

I am fine if folks do not agree, happy to discuss it and if Anet says that it isn’t intended I will be happy to stop, but you are blowing the actual impact of the actions way beyond reality. I like to fight players, not man siege, so I go where the players are. I killed maybe one piece of siege and 2-3 players, that were quickly res’d, died twice and had to run back, yet by your little rant I was the reason we were victorious after a 4 hours of fighting? The much more accurate description of my actions was that I was a distraction, nothing more. I had some fun, and I would hope the people standing around otherwise doing nothing but watch siege get lobbed, also had some fun killing me.

BubbaLicous.1328:

Sorry Niim, the walls are in place for a reason. Your ability to hack pass them does not justify that it is a valid or legal tactic. Since you replied after the statement by the community coordinator, you should understand that you have been given a heads up about using expliots that bypass the game mechanics. I personally would heed their warning.

Sorry Bubba, but you need to look up the definition of a hack if our going to comment on my actions, because it is clearly not a hack. Nor did the CC, as of yet, comment on the issue so I fail to see how it is a warning of any kind.

I have been open on how I use the ability. I have emailed Anet asking for clarification. There is really not much more I can do then that. If they respond and say its not intended, then I will stop. Till then I consider it fair use of in game abilities, the same as AoEing and catapulting through doors, mesmer pets attacking you and siege inside the keep, etc.

Stealth is not a boon and is not effected by boon duration benefits, and as such I would assume it cannot be removed as you describe. Here is the wiki list of boons:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Boon

I think the benefits of making it a boon, ie stacking duration, will far outweigh your idea of a counter.

Folks need to join groups, not just run solo with the zerg. Assuming the code for PvE kill credit is the same for PvP, you need to do a certain percentage of the total in order to get credit for the kill. However if your in a group, you get credit for your groups effort as far as percentage of the total, so your effort becomes more or less to just tag the same mobs and you will get kill credit provided your entire group did enough to get credit for the kill. More kill credits, more chance for loot bags, more chances for badges.

That said, currently the armor that you can purchase is limited in stats it provides, if they do not fit your build then you shouldnt be buying them. I bought the jewelry set because I couldnt find power/toughness/vitality elsewhere else.. Almost all my armor is player made.

Zenith.6403:

Arrow carts on the wall? No problem – just firestorm them.
Defenders repairing the door? No problem – just firestorm the door and it will damage everything inside too.

I don’t think this is reasonable. Investments should reflect each other. If there’s a fort full of supplies, why shouldn’t defenders be able to spend them on repairs? If defenders have spent money on defensive siege, why should it be killed by simple AoE damage? Defending targets is already boring as heck, but it should be just as valid tactic as zerging.

I agree with the AoE, or catapults, through doors and wouldn’t mind seeing that changed.

AoE on the walls hitting arrow cart, do a better job of placing the arrow cart. There is no reason they need to be that close to the edge.

Mystiq it IS a rendering issue. Just because other people are loading fine, does not mean coming out of stealth is rendering fine. I have fought theives with no one even in the area and still it didn’t render properly.

Agreed Panacea, shouldnt be able to cap anything, or stop a cap, stealthed.

It’s a rendering bug, its not supposed to work that way, hopefully they will fix it. The dead horse is over yonder if you wish to beat on it a bit more.

I am going with a nerf to backstab.

I am hoping that somewhere at Anet there is a clue that will fix the rendering problems with stealth, and then review if stealth is a problem or not, before just nerfing it.

@AkiraZero.8514

Mesmers are thieves, just with a spammable thieves guild.

… and the use of catapults to fire through doors at to knock people off the rams, and in general AoEing through doors, as well as the use of mesmer pets to attack any siege and operator behind walls. Are those ‘working as intended’?

BubbaLicous.1328:

Congrats SF, you have accomplished in one day more then we could have hoped for. Your actions by dominating the server and taking all three orbs in less then a few hours again will earn you a position in a much higher tier game. Also it points out to Habib who is monitoring these games just how the existing WvW defenses are so insufficient by default to resist both zerging with hacking tactics.

Bravo!

Ps. I love how Niim was so open about using his cheat. Showing little or no concerns about any potential recourse by Anet.

Didn’t AR take all the orbs the previous day? How is SF taking orbs in a day any different? I have no idea what happened with the other two orbs, but the first orb took about 4 hours, starting with 6 people taking one supply camp under the leadership of Keeva. Four hours of back and forth slug fest with AR wiping us numerous times, countless gold spent on siege and repairs, and yet you talk about it like we just rolled in and it fell in our laps. I was aware of no hacking in that orb fight and we sure didn’t dominate the battlefield.

I am open about my use of inkjet to get on the wall because I do not feel it is a cheat and have nothing to hide. I question your right or ability to draw the line as to where things are appropriate or not. I think using a catapult through a door is clearly not working as intended and has far greater impact upon the game then my ability to get on the wall. I leave it to ANet to decide and fix accordingly. If Anet posts that they do not think my use of inkjet is appropriate, or send me a PM, then by all means I will stop using it.

The theory I can get organized and ninja the keep is unfounded. Sure we could do that, if you’re not paying attention as we use a ram on your reinforced inner gates while being hammered by veteran archers and those nasty wizards and were able to overcome the keep lord and all his guards. This would be so easy to counter by just one defender, that it is irrelevant. If the defenders are paying that little attention just take down the outer door and shout for more people to come help with the inner.

From my view point being on the stomping side would suck far more then being on the losing side. When my server is losing they all bail and stop WvWing, so I get a target rich environment with no ques… how much more fun can WvW get then that? If your on the winning side you have a target low environment and long ques, that is not fun.

Not to say it is is all peaches to be on the losing team, but if you recognize the errors with the point system, transfer system, etc the fact that you are not winning a faulty scoreboard means what? Nothin. So go out and enjoy the fights, because at the end of the day what you will remember about GW2 is not the score, but the battles, the wins and losses that left you smiling.

Serebus.7314:

So if you saw somebody hacking please share their guild tag and take screenshots next time. And please don’t say things like “What Afraid to lose WVW legit? Gota get out the hackers and exploiters now ?”, It is not the servers fault that there is a few pieces of trash playing on it, and its not fair to accuse the legitimate players of allowing exploiters to use hacks in WvW.

Other than that we had some great fights trying to take the orb from Anvil, keep up the good work guys.

Yes, we on SF want to know as well so we can avoid, insult and belittle, or keep an eye on them as the case may be. Few people on any server want cheaters ruining a good fight.

Vistal.2906:

No reason in hell a port or skill should allow you to bypass keep walls. Area-net need to make it a fix point to stop the Bypass of keep walls and Aoeing threw keep doors. DAOC fix this issue like 15 years ago so why cant they fix this issue today!

Apparently you selectively forgot the ability to climb into keeps by 1/3 of the classes in DAoC?

I agree with Mog for pretty much the same reasoning. Every class has given me trouble, depends on the player and our builds. Different classes pose different problem’s as I change my build.

I find guardians can be a pain in the kitten, well played ones save groups, imo.

I do not like downed state in WvW as I think it gives a distinct advantage to the larger force, which most often does not need the advantage. It, however, is not a game breaker for me and I will learn to deal with it.

I mostly think downed bars need a serious balance review.

Kardiamond what you describe is different in it’s level of impact. Me attacking people on the wall is significantly different then me buying 1000 items and converting them to precursors. I cannot get access to your orb, all I can do is fight people on the outer wall. In my opinion the game should have fragile ladder siege that you setup next to a wall and climb in on.

Anet is the only one that can decide if these things are right or wrong. If I see a post saying that it is unintended, then I will stop using it. Personally I think setting up catapults and firing rocks through a door to keep people from using rams is unintended, will you be reporting that as well? It’s level of impact is significantly higher then a thief on a wall of one keep per map.

Why? My ability let’s me do it, my access is limited to non-crucial areas, and I have to fight guards and players the entire time I am there. Legit use of skill.

I use ink shot to enter DB, that isn’t an exploit as far as I am concerned and only grants you access to the outer wall. I run solo most of the time.

lBANKAll.2183:

I like how the thief jumps up a max upgrade keep. That is a exploit

What keep?

Sundial.9015:

lBANKAll.2183:

I like how the thief jumps up a max upgrade keep. That is a exploit

Had a theif the other day take out our treb at the very top tower of the east keep from the ground with cluster bomb, not sure what to say about that.

Dont let someone stand at the base of your keep and spam 100 cluster bombs to kill the treb?

I read a post when I was in beta that this would be coming to the game, anyone seen a suggestion of when that might be, even for just small improvements?

To be clear, before all of the folks that typically flood these threads with their anti-combat log qqing, let me be clear, I do not care about your numbers. I can see your kitten play without a combat log just fine. The current combat log however is entirely useless for your own information.

I have no ability to color the different types of data there, it does not include healing at all, does not include condition damage or effects, no boons, does not include your misses, no time stamps, no utility skills being recorded, no-procs, etc, etc. In short, it is absolute garbage, probably the worst implementation of a combat log in a long, long time.

I would take in game improvements of any kind, but ultimately the ability to log to file that I can parse would also be a nice addition.

Chewie.1249:

Sorrows is not afraid to spend the money on siege and upgrades(at least our guild), and we really have amazing organization as a whole. What our server lacks is the steady population.

As someone from SF I think this is a load of kitten. If we had organization, where was it last week or the week before? We have a zerg and when we outnumber we are great, we have commanders all over the place directing the zerg here and there. The moment we are in a losing match… wvw is a dead zone, no commanders to be found and all the so called WvW guilds talking about how they are all transferring.

News flash, you do not get better playing un-challenging matches and then quitting every match that is a challenge. Until I see SF sticking through a loss, growing from it and getting better, we are nothing but a half rate, second from the bottom tier, zerg server. I see more organization from our opponents who would likely be kicking our kitten if they had equal numbers.

Might want to check in with your class forum.

In response to Matt above, combat has never prevented you from going to character selection screen regardless if you are downed or not. While I agree with everyone above that this needs changing, I think it is important to review the code that keeps you in combat first. Right now if you do not move far enough away you can stay in combat indefinitely even if nothing is hitting or attacking you. I force log in PvE at times just to get out of combat.

As for force logging in PvP I really do not care. The moment then do it, I won the fight and that is really all that matters to me. So not only did they lose, they are now an exploiter as well. The issue with reporting these kinds of things is how do you report someone that is no longer there and you have no idea what their name is because who looks at that in a random pvp fight?

Why would you post here to entice the noob train as you call them? Just cant play without a huge zerg behind you? Heaven forbid just going as a guild and forming an alliance with those on the server already…

Our NA server is bleeding guilds too, I think players need to take it upon themselves and do an unofficial merger to be honest, leave the dying servers to their fate and everyone move to a new home.

I just hate that every chest piece of medium armor for an azura is a trench coat. Why do we have to all wear trench coats?

Vanilla beans were made rare in an unplanned fashion due to a knee-jerk nerf to people trading karma for gold early on. It wasn’t planned or designed to be as such, along with some other ingredients, and thus it has basically broken end game cooking, let alone those trying to level up without the use of vanilla bean.

It needs fixing, but who knows when they will get to that. Cooking in general needs an entire revamp.

Rather short sighted of them to have nothing better then botting to select as far as reporting goes. Hacking/Exploiting option would be nice.

Dee Jay.2460:

Not to bash the player but I honestly think that these Bleed spaming builds are on the same level of cheesiness as Heartseeker spam or Pistol Whipping.

You don’t even really have to aim Death Blossom. Just spam it when your enemies is near by while enjoying the benefits of almost constant evades.

Now that I think about it, the only non-cheesy Thief video I’ve seen (depending if you consider Backstabbing cheesy or not) was by a guy using a Short-Bow.

If there is one universal constant with GW2 so far, is that every build is a cheese build to someone. The opinion of someone that thinks a SB trolling build is somehow less cheesy than the others, is meaningless.

I am sure your build is very complex and demanding :rollseyes:

I personally think haste is more of an issue then PW was. I think quickness in all classes is OP, more so in a class with initiative. The speed increase greatly reduces your ability to counter those moves, specially with a stun/interrupt from the ability or provided by another ability before hand.

They either need to slow it down, or imo just add a 15% damage reduction to anyone under the effect of quickness. I prefer this over them individually nerfing each thief ability to the point that we all have to use haste to keep competitive.

BlusterWolf.2103:

From my understanding they are all long CD skills, you can always go in stealth and make them guess if you are running away or trying to stay aggressive, those skills provide 5-6 sec protection, if you dont over commit and used all your stuff on 1st few secs you are still in more positive situation than they do.

A big culprit in the burst damage is haste, which has a long cool down. Long as you wait on your panic button for haste to be used, it should coincide with the cooldown of haste.

Thundar.3910:

Remember a few bad apples does not spoil the the whole bunch.

Technically it does, which is where the saying originates from

Zindel.8673:

Give it a rest. I log on every night at 7pm for the past week and EB map was even (not including SM which we’ve fought our kitten off for). And don’t blame night capping or server pop cause the entire map being taken over occurred TWICE both at prime time PST. How? Good commanders, people who listen, strategy, relentless determination, three times the numbers. Not because of some un-guilded assclown flying up a wall, which is the only proof of any “hacking” going on.

Fixed it for you

No. I would guess that we are all effectively the same size/shape, with a skin tossed over top. As an asura I have no issues doing any jump puzzle, without speed boosts.

I do not think hacking is that common on GoM, nor do I think it is fair to say they are winning because of hacks, but to say it isn’t effective or doesn’t have an impact would also be in error. We were fighting at anz and trying to take the nearby supply camp. The hacking necro and some guy from EXEC kept us from capping the objective for a long time, which has a huge impact upon the flow of resources and the number of people we need to devote to taking one supply camp, thus weakening us at the tower and ruining an otherwise good fight.

Everyone is effected by this stuff, just wish folks like that EXEC guy would act accordingly. You cant do anything about the guy next to you hacking other then report, but you do not have to help the guy, or res him.