Guild Wars 2

Neckbeards gonna neckbeard

Evalana.5480:

Comprissent.3856:

Evalana.5480:

NICKEZ.3671:

Some guy recorded the SMC fight last night:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIw1WLjoJf4

I stopped watching at the first or second bite of pizza – really who fricking records themself while mowing down pizza… yuck. I could hear him chewing… ::cringe::

And I wonder how you live listening on our comms

Trust me, lol – I am secretly raging at the sound of sloshing food in pieholes during our raids, haha. I almost want to ask what y’all are eating. Meanwhile, hearing your chompers makes me realize that ‘oh crapple, I forgot to eat again’…. so technically, you literally help keep me alive IRL XD

::edit:: but it’s even worse to actually SEE a person actually physically eating… ::cringe::

This one time I took a girl on a date. We went to dinner. I saw her eat food ::cringe::

Are you for real?

Lots of classes can do it if they are smart about it.

The “Nerf” isn’t going to end the class. 95% of the terrible d/p players may quit, but it isnt ruined. Ppl will cry the same because the ppl who stay and adapt are the ones who will still destroy ppl all the same.

So, I’m like, wtf is he talking about? 900 range? Who does that? Then I looked up some videos….

I’m sorry, I play p/d like a d/d. Melee range, in your face, caltrops dodge. If I’m not in melee, I’m chasing someone to get into it. I am in melee as much as possible to put massive pressure.

Sorry for the confusion and I meant no ill will against Bacon or d/p theif.

Bacon.4918:

P/D is by far the easiest to play and most forgiving thief setup. It’s like playing a PU condition mesmer; pure troll.

Is that why everyone plays d/p perma stealth? Because it is harder and less forgiving?

By that logic, warriors are the hardest class to play because I see a million of them! /rolleyes

There are a few diff builds that all work with p/d. I find it more engaging than d/p. CnD isnt too bad, shadow strike has a strange hit box, but I never, ever use it on my build unless I get immobilized and 100b by a cheese warrior.

In my roaming group, I am the tank. Everyone attacks the thief first. It is a 100% different play style and I find it quite fun. Not everyone will though.

Omnitek.3876:

See…I run a 0/0/30/20/20 with withdraw as a heal and full centaur runes on full rabid set. Run sigil of tormenting and corruption, already have near perma vigor.

Very hard for me to die. Perma swiftness is essential. SB off weapon for movement purposes only. On tablet, will try to get a build from one of the sites in a few.

http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-c;4Vwkc0U5R-kd0;9;6TJJ;413A29-26;9;6kis696Q

Yes, the only stealth is CnD. I have been playing with poison on swap and running a p/d p/d and enjoy it. Centuar runes, welcome to evasion town. Played correctly, no one will catch you, ever.

Sigil of tormenting (if you use rabid). I sit at 16khp. I could easily go down to 12k and feel perfectly safe. Run circles around d/p (only can kill the bad ones,which is 80% of them, good ones will still walk away). Bad news, you can’t kill many healing Sig warriors… Everyone else is free game.

See…I run a 0/0/30/20/20 with withdraw as a heal and full centaur runes on full rabid set. Run sigil of tormenting and corruption, already have near perma vigor.

Very hard for me to die. Perma swiftness is essential. SB off weapon for movement purposes only. On tablet, will try to get a build from one of the sites in a few.

TY to Mag/TC for the roaming skirmishes in EB over the past 6 hours. Was a lot of fun.

Love,
Annoying little [NPCP] Thief and Mesmer!

Sifu.6527:

Omnitek.3876:

Excalibur.9748:

Omnitek.3876:

Excalibur.9748:

Omnitek.3876:

Excalibur.9748:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Both Guardian and Ele have great healing abilities and Thieves have….um, have…, kittens, I’m drawing a blank here.

guardians and eles have access to almost perma protection and vastly superior healing.

thief has stealth…and evades. both getting nurfed next patch. we’re fast becoming irrelevant.

Stealth isnt being nerfed Mr. Doom and Gloom. Relax and let’s see how it plays out first.

stealth isn’t being nerfed, but one of the best stealth traits is being nerfed (infusion of shadows) so it’s practically the same thing.

it’s nice that you remain optimistic but can’t blame me for being cynical since we get nerfed every patch with no buff in sight.

I guess, coming from other classes, to thief, I see thing wayyyyy differently still, even though I main thief now.

I dont use the trait. The flat ini change is a buff for me.

even if you don’t use it, it’s still a nerf to stealth since it’s considered one of the best traits to stealth. If no one used that trait then you could argue it’s inconsequential but it’s widely used.

What you’re saying is basically like me claiming warrior didn’t get nerfed since I didn’t use unsuspecting foe or hammer. Just because I didn’t use them doesn’t mean warrior didn’t get nerfed slightly.

The only way you could stand to get somehow buffed by this patch is if you use D/D or P/D (or glass cannon D/P) and even then I wouldn’t consider it a buff more like a rebalance. Once again, even if the nerfs didn’t affect you personally doesn’t mean they didnt’ happen.

Normalization is not a Nerf imo. Why should spending currency (initiative) reward you with more?

What other class gets that ability?
Using stealth on my mesmer Doesnt increase the frequency of abilities I can use does it? Or dragons tooth by an ele Doesnt make it cool down quicker.

Using a skill doesn’t and shouldn’t reward you the ability to use it again faster.

GW2 plays a risk vs reward to a minor extent. Using combos to effectively eliminate all risk and only reap rewards is a broken concept.

If they removed leap finisher from HS and left infusion I would be happy. Would you? Be honest.

All this doom and gloom has happened time after time, for all classes. Mug can’t crit? Thief is useless! Lower BS damage? End of the world! And here we are again, listening to all the D/P act like the spec was balanced and they are shocked and blindsided by this change….

“Using a skill doesn’t and shouldn’t reward you the ability to use it again faster. "

Ele RTL – Hit target and you can can use it again faster.
Ele Fresh Air – Crit and you can go into Air again (if outside of it)
Warrior – Burst Skill Return Adren
Mesmer – Signet recharges all of your shatters

Just some examples since you asked.

RTL is the only skill.

Currency for thief = iniative since we have no CDs
Currency for a warrior or mesmer is the actual CD time.

Burst gives adreline, but Doesnt allow me to bypass the 10sec CD. Using 10 INI to get back 5 allows me to use another skill. (Just an example) We have

As for the mesmer, the risk of using the signet is currency, a cool down and a loss of the passive of the signet.

As for normalizations (can’t double quote on tablet) my spec is getting a buff. You may not like my spec, it may not be the one you use, but D/P isnt the only spec..

Vigor is a huge Nerf to me though. It is going to force me to rethink the spec/way I play it, not temper tantrum about how the class is ruined and stealth and the class are useless.

Not all normalization will be in the same patch (I wish it was, but….yeah……)

Edited. Cross posting like a kitten . Mixing my convos

Excalibur.9748:

Omnitek.3876:

Excalibur.9748:

Omnitek.3876:

Excalibur.9748:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Both Guardian and Ele have great healing abilities and Thieves have….um, have…, kittens, I’m drawing a blank here.

guardians and eles have access to almost perma protection and vastly superior healing.

thief has stealth…and evades. both getting nurfed next patch. we’re fast becoming irrelevant.

Stealth isnt being nerfed Mr. Doom and Gloom. Relax and let’s see how it plays out first.

stealth isn’t being nerfed, but one of the best stealth traits is being nerfed (infusion of shadows) so it’s practically the same thing.

it’s nice that you remain optimistic but can’t blame me for being cynical since we get nerfed every patch with no buff in sight.

I guess, coming from other classes, to thief, I see thing wayyyyy differently still, even though I main thief now.

I dont use the trait. The flat ini change is a buff for me.

even if you don’t use it, it’s still a nerf to stealth since it’s considered one of the best traits to stealth. If no one used that trait then you could argue it’s inconsequential but it’s widely used.

What you’re saying is basically like me claiming warrior didn’t get nerfed since I didn’t use unsuspecting foe or hammer. Just because I didn’t use them doesn’t mean warrior didn’t get nerfed slightly.

The only way you could stand to get somehow buffed by this patch is if you use D/D or P/D (or glass cannon D/P) and even then I wouldn’t consider it a buff more like a rebalance. Once again, even if the nerfs didn’t affect you personally doesn’t mean they didnt’ happen.

Normalization is not a Nerf imo. Why should spending currency (initiative) reward you with more?

What other class gets that ability?
Using stealth on my mesmer Doesnt increase the frequency of abilities I can use does it? Or dragons tooth by an ele Doesnt make it cool down quicker.

Using a skill doesn’t and shouldn’t reward you the ability to use it again faster.

GW2 plays a risk vs reward to a minor extent. Using combos to effectively eliminate all risk and only reap rewards is a broken concept.

If they removed leap finisher from HS and left infusion I would be happy. Would you? Be honest.

All this doom and gloom has happened time after time, for all classes. Mug can’t crit? Thief is useless! Lower BS damage? End of the world! And here we are again, listening to all the D/P act like the spec was balanced and they are shocked and blindsided by this change….

Excalibur.9748:

Omnitek.3876:

Excalibur.9748:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Both Guardian and Ele have great healing abilities and Thieves have….um, have…, kittens, I’m drawing a blank here.

guardians and eles have access to almost perma protection and vastly superior healing.

thief has stealth…and evades. both getting nurfed next patch. we’re fast becoming irrelevant.

Stealth isnt being nerfed Mr. Doom and Gloom. Relax and let’s see how it plays out first.

stealth isn’t being nerfed, but one of the best stealth traits is being nerfed (infusion of shadows) so it’s practically the same thing.

it’s nice that you remain optimistic but can’t blame me for being cynical since we get nerfed every patch with no buff in sight.

I guess, coming from other classes, to thief, I see thing wayyyyy differently still, even though I main thief now.

I dont use the trait. The flat ini change is a buff for me.

Excalibur.9748:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Both Guardian and Ele have great healing abilities and Thieves have….um, have…, kittens, I’m drawing a blank here.

guardians and eles have access to almost perma protection and vastly superior healing.

thief has stealth…and evades. both getting nurfed next patch. we’re fast becoming irrelevant.

Stealth isnt being nerfed Mr. Doom and Gloom. Relax and let’s see how it plays out first.

I would love a bigger health pool! Who wouldn’t?

Justified? Not imo now. After Dec 10th… A small chance of maybe.

Hmmmmmm….. Would require a change in steals from mesmer,ranger and maybe necro then. Solid idea though. I like it.

Would like to see more of a variety of skills when stealing as well.

Meh, I run p/d and have other level 80s to play. Ini isnt an issue for my spec unless I try to CnD while out of range/blinded 3 times in a row. Buuuuut, it would have just loved leap being removed from HS.

I’m more worried about the vigor changes. We will see when it goes live. It may force you change your play style, pls dont cry a river over it.

I find this a problem with most pbaoe. The larger the group, the less likely I am to see it.

So confused………..

Then I got the error… Well played

eithinan.9841:

Tibstrike.2974:

eithinan.9841:

thief only has the dagger storm stability on a 180 cd. I dont think 3 mins is on demand…

Venoms with Lyssa runes. 5 seconds of stability every 40 seconds or less.

do you REALLY want to play venom share??? And the post said stability was on demand for all those classes. dedicating a 6 piece rune set immediately disqualifies itself from the “on demand” point

If I’m getting killed over and over from conditions, should I come to the forums and demand that conditions be needed?

No, I will get laughed away. I have access to removal, others help me with removal, and runes/food to assist.

Same exact situation. If I am on my thief and i get stunned over and over (roaming or zergs) I’m going to be more careful about my stunbreaks/positioning, or learn how to properly use my teammates, or not put myself into the position.

Adapt or die. Dont dive a melee train if you can’t survive.

Inb4 someone mentiones lore and defines the word “ranger” to say it Doesnt fit.

Classes with on demand stability:
Warrior
Guardian
Ele
Necro
Engi (unsure, didn’t they just get one?)
Ranger
Mesmer
Thief

Why would we need cc immunity again?

Inb4 “why do I have to spec 30 points to get stability (necro) when guardian doesn’t?”

morrolan.9608:

People are coming out they just aren’t staying on as long. Probably because the game is getting stale, and the motivation wanes when facing overwhelming numbers. And our major late NA guild has temporarily left the server anyway.

Find me 20ish people who will log in to wvw and TS to play, late NA, who need commanding. I’ll do it!!!! Recruiting is tooooo much work for me lol.

NA t1 servers have 2 times the coverage as EU. WvW is about coverage, not skill.

You can use a ram and bypass green eb keep outer. 60 people takes about 30 seconds.

The Jerri gate is well known and scumbags on every server have done it at one point or another. It would take them a minute to fix it.

Player Character.9467:

Omnitek.3876:

How are we defining “roaming” again? Too lazy to go back and look in the page.

I always considered my 2 or 3 man group roaming and anything that can build a cata in 1 trip a havoc.

So 2 or 3 man is a roaming group but 2 people are havoc… o.O

Not guild catas and 15 supplies you smart kitten .

akamon.2769:

@Omnitek – when do you play usually?

to the Mesmer from [MONK] that made me feel like it was my first hour playing the game lol, and stayed extremely classy, thanks for the humbling experience. we need more folk like you! tried to invite/join you for a quick chat but for some reason wouldn’t work. /salute!

p.s. you’ve just exacerbated my hate for mesmers ; ))

Now(ish) to early oceanic. Depends on how zergy the maps are.

Pinko.2076:

Omnitek.3876:

comments about my skill less thief perma stealth build (I run p/d with no stealth)

what?

I was told by a mag mesmer that I am a skillless trash piece of…. For running a perma stealth d/p thief build. I use p/d. Condi damage, evade build. I sometimes use CnD, depending on how much I feel like being in melee. (I didn’t CnD him or his phantasms)
This was after he came back 3 times to die.

No blinding powder, no HiS, no shadow refuge. Perma vigor, perma swiftness. Fun change from easy mode.

How are we defining “roaming” again? Too lazy to go back and look in the page.

I always considered my 2 or 3 man group roaming and anything that can build a cata in 1 trip a havoc.

Never blocked so many people in one match. If I kill and/or die to people, I will sometimes join team with them. To say good job or “can I try to 1v1 you again?”. I see enemies try to join and think hey, sure!

MotherofGod.jpg Death threats this week, comments about my skill less thief perma stealth build (I run p/d with no stealth), or the guy claiming my sword/sword warrior was running a cheese stun build that means I’m skill less, ect. It has become a test with my mesmer friend to see how many ppl will threaten us every night now. (We aren’t even good, we die a lot lol). Relax people.

Also, pls spam more emotes like /laugh after you won you 12v2 pls. It motivates me.

Signed,
Your friendly SoR /shrug player. Look for the emote, find and kill me pls.

Fuzzion.2504:

I laughed so hard when i saw his figures in the post.

If only eles hit that hard, consistently.

I had a 16k fire grab, on 4 targets at once. That is consistent!!!!

Ok!

Disclaimer: They were uplevels in WvW, I had 110% crit damage and 25 stacks of might. It was glorious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When do the mags roam? Been in NA. Been OCX and SEA, nothing worth note.

A 100% chance to bounce once would be a nice baseline.

Walls dont count if too far. Tested with trebs and catas. Killed wall, let others take, no credit. ran multiple tests. Had to be almost against the walls.

Doors and guards seem to. Sometimes the circle bugs when just standing in it and gives you no credit, but it isn’t often.

JaredKincade.9761:

Its like iceland and greenland. Greenland is made of ice, iceland can be green.

Cuddlestrike likes to play nice, and cuddlepie can play mean.

Oh snap. I’m that bored at work! Lol at Greenland/Iceland lololol.

Sorry people. Lighten up.

Cuddle…. Go back to being fun! This srs cuddle is not good.

Playing p/d for months, used it 3 or 4 times total but it has the same as any other non-cleaving melee attack. I would love if it arc cleaved 3 people though

P/D minimal stealth revolution!!!!! Lol

I like it, most ppl with hate it.

morrolan.9608:

Omnitek.3876:

morrolan.9608:

Traejan.1729:

It shows how valuable a strong pug / militia force is. SoR needs to realize that marginalizing your pugs and elitism has hurt your server in these match-ups.

Something which has never happened, so please stop lying.

Happens every day in eb. Dont know where you have been.

Well ALTS we play the same time zone and I don’t see it.

Edited it. I play late na these day, not oceanic. Work schedule changed, plus SoR Doesnt actually have any decent sized oceanic anymore these days.

Debating on if I want to open the can of worms and herd the cats again. No one leads them anymore. Wtb patone! Lol

morrolan.9608:

Traejan.1729:

It shows how valuable a strong pug / militia force is. SoR needs to realize that marginalizing your pugs and elitism has hurt your server in these match-ups.

Something which has never happened, so please stop lying.

Happens every day in eb. Dont know where you have been.

I can think of 1 guild that treats them as equals (NA times) and other guild that does 50% of the time, depending on how much of their guild members are online.

What if they removed HS from being a leap finisher? Would the d/p still whine about it? Would it be worse? I think so.

I played d/d and d/p for a total of 1 week before getting bored out of my mind.
The majority of wvw players are lacking in skill/running to a zerg/specced to spam 1 over and over. I am a decent player/thief. Not an expert at all, D/P is outrageous because of the average level of players, and I was very rarely challenged. Didn’t win all the time, but I died once an hour at most.

People who defend D/P are the ones who hate to lose. Who rage when they get downed. Cry about stacks and lag. The people in denial that abusing a mechanic wasn’t actually skill based…

The vigor Nerf worries me as a P/D, but I’ll adapt and survive. So will the people who have any tiny bit of skill. I expect to see a large drop in thief population for the first few weeks.

In b4 someone claims I have no thief

Let’s fix the stuff to bring current populations into wvw. Let’s start with an easy one!

Incentives in wvw are still terrible. 20 min dungeon run gets me 1g+. 20 min tower siege gets me what? Crap.

Afraid of abuse from tower trading? Make a reward like dungeons, X amount of towers per day give a reward. Same with keeps.

Small, easy change that can help increase the people joining wvw. New achievements added a huge flux of players. Some did the meta and left. Others enjoyed wvw and stayed. Give the ppl who left a reason to come back once in a while. They may enjoy wvw the next time they come back.

There will always be an imbalance with this many servers and 24/7 matches. It can’t be helped. Start small, add content, add incentive to spread out. Living word adds content and incentive (achievements/loots/rewards/new things to do). WvW only has 2 maps eb and 3 mirrored BLs after over a year.

Used to have a guy who would build an omega golem and fly around the map, attacking everything.

Happened for 4 weeks. You just report when u can and move on with your life. Don’t stress over it.

Make RTL 20 secs if you don’t hit something. 40 secs if you do. Double the damage.

Risk vs Reward

I always kitten and hit RTL right when skill lag or someone stealths. Makes me sad, but I can keep 100% swiftness up, the out of combat utility is pointless for me, it is great in combat mobility.

If I miss, I’m not out 40 seconds of wait time. If I hit, I wanted to hit and ready for the wait.

No. Scepter/staff skills work just as good at max range as melee range. If they had a min range, I would agree, but they don’t. A warrior who has a hammer/gs has no range options. He can swap out of combat, sure, but so can you.

Now, the discussion on if we are fine or not depends on if we talking pve or PvP or wvw.

Depends on what classes you run into when roaming.

I find phant mesmers very easy to kill on my thief/warrior, but make short work of them on my condi mesmer.

Both are viable, whatever you feel more comfortable with.

I just troll wvw with a p/d build, only stealth being CnD for pistol 1. Actually a nice challenge over d/p or d/d.

Forced? Nah. To be optimal, yes.

I dunno. I enjoy playing p/d on my thief with c&d as my only stealth. Such a fun troll build while roaming.

They could remove stealth for all I give a kitten, but tbh a Nerf to movement speed when stealthed would be plenty fair IMO. Damage is fine.

It looks like only you like it.

Wait… So if I don’t want skill lag, I should transfer lower?
OK, but I like fights. I don’t play NA times. I’ve been in t4 and below. It is dead in oceanic/sea times I play. Pvdoor isn’t fun to me.

Stealth.8150:

Omnitek.3876:

Stealth.8150:

Azure.8412:

Enough is enough. Some of you on here are a bunch of carebears. Do you think everything is always fair, and that There’s never a guild or two communicating to 2v1 you guys to hell? Happened to SoR blatantly before, and you don’t see a bunch of people crying on the forums cause it’s just how it works. Just because one or two guilds chose this path you lose respect for the whole server? If this minority can affect how you think this easily, Frankly, we don’t need your respect. I’M beginning to think SoS are full of 12 year olds. And what’s with the people saying going to T1=Bandwagoning? It’s not always the case.

man the 2v1 against sor was a cryfest. hell i even had a tear bucket for you guys filled within first few days.

you also forgetting the coordinated double team on bg when afs/tysm xfered to sor. which was happening for weeks. dont make it sound like u guys never double teamed on purpose.

Being one of the tsym commanders for a while back then, no. Pls go.

you kidding right i guess you got brainwashed by the sweet talks.
the indo + waha double team on bg bl every night during sea.

Your chest thumping got you all in trouble. Just like jq did and sor did at one point. Get over it. BG is and always will be a target for me. I don’t need jq to ask.

Also, I miss pot, he was much better the you at this.