Staff #1 is a skill nobody really likes, yes it gives lf; but first it should hit. Not too easy since people adadadad and avoid every projectile. So my suggestion would be to add 1/2-1sec immob on hit. Itwould mess up the enemy strafing, and would also be useful in blocking enemy escapes.
What do you ppl think?
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I just pointed out an enviroment where(under certain conditions) it can prove useful. I think ive used this trait during leveling though
Absolutely, check the sticky thread.
But kitten that, most fun ive had in pve is with siphon wells
And maybe thats worth adding to the list, is anyone ever using Fear of Death (2s fear when downed)?
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What is reason/benefit to run 6/4/0/0/4 over 0/6/4/0/4 or 0/6/4/0/4 over 6/4/0/0/4 in specific match as condi necro? What thinking proces should i have when choosing either of this
Simple, the 6/4/0/0/4 takes dhuumfire and chill of death, so use it for more damage. Works good with carrion amulet in my opinion.
0/6/4/0/4 takes path of corruption, it is more survivable (with rabid amulet you survive everything) and has cooldowns on staff skills.
Just mentioning 0/6/2/0/6 with foot in the grave+enfeebling blood+near to death, is also pretty good. Low condi duration, but that stability is totally worth it.
I was going to make my own thread, but i guess i’ll just ask here.
just started a necro (doing my “try every class to find a main” thing), and I’m liking the Axe/Focus combination. I think that would be my primary weapon set in the long run. They seem to be a Power-based weaponset, so I’d lean in that direction.
thinking about my second weapon set. I’m pretty much set on Dagger being my mainhand. I’m just not sure what to put in my offhand, another Dagger, or a Warhorn.
thoughts on this, from a Power Necro(that uses DS as more than just a second healthbar) perspective?
and one more thing, do Power Necros care particularly about Crit, or do they typically focus more on Vit/Toughness to go with straight Power?
A necro who uses ds only as a second hp bar sucks:D
Hmm i think dagger works better with high crit chance, its fun to use it with fire+air sigil, and auto attack your enemy to death. It also has a valuable immob, which synergizes good with wells for example.
Axe auto doesnt do a lot of direct damage, its utility is to provide vuln for your minions to hit hard with auto, or to do a handy burst. Of course axe #3 is a very useful skill to kite/gain retal/remove a boon.
Necros also have this great trait, death perception (50% chance in ds), so you can build around it. 3-6k life blasts arent uncommon
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Between thief steal, mes shatter, and necro strips you guys should be fine.
Although its a lot better on condi specs, dont overlook Path of Corruption XIII in curses.
Also the sigil of nullification is worth a mention.
Yeah sigil of nullification is good, i forgot to add it as second sigil -.-
Path of Corruption is a cool skill. It requires teleport though, and you might end up in the enemy zerg:) In the build i posted you can remove 1pt from death magic and grab it, its pretty cool when solo/duo roaming.
But for bigger fights power builds are better imo. Because they benefit so much from the focus (esp. when traited), chill of death, target the weak, and well of corruption hits harder. The boon corruption isnt about changing the boons to damaging conditions, its about putting pressure and soft cc, in my opinion
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TP: Trading Post. When ingame, press O
i linked different builds, check the trinkets/traits
man i suck, here is the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptGYVTaDrOoabout the build you linked, dagger mainhand is an absolute power weapon, if you play conditions, scepter is a must. The build you posted has…serious problems in the trait department:)
Appreciate the reply! After a few hours playing the build I linked I ditched it.
I’m now using the budget build you linked. Although I may ditch well of power for something like SoS or epi?
I already have consume conditions, #4 on staff and #4 on warhorn to remove conditions.
Suggestions?
Well warhorn 4 doesnt remove conditions But yeah sure, Signet of Spite + fears is a good damaging combination
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Cause of several reasons.
Condition Damage is affected by two things, condition damage and condition duration. Condition Duration isnt available in armor or trinkets (and a combination of cond dmg+duration on weapons is also unavailable i think). So a condi build only relies on one armor stat to build up its damage and has 2 more slots to fill with tanky stats. Berserker armor, the armor used to reach these 10+k sustained dps, needs 3 armor stats, leaving 0 space for tanky stats.2nd reason is that conditions tick even when you dont hit the boss (Damage over Time). While a zerk does pretty good direct damage, when he stops attacking, his dps drops to 0. So conditions have higher dps uptime than direct damage, they couldnt be as powerful as direct hits.
3rd reason. Melee damage>>Ranged Damage. How is it fair a necro spamming his scepter auto from 900 range doing dps similar to another class which sits on the boss and eats/dodges its attacks ?Anyway in PvE (at the moment) berserker gear yields the best results. If you feel bad about your condition dps, play conditionmancer/terrormancer in pvp and rejoice
1. This is certainly fixable. Introduce a Condition damage/condition duration/precision gear set and allow conditions to crit. This would give us a similar glass cannon build to direct damage users.
2. Conditions may tick when you don’t hit the boss, but you also aren’t applying new conditions. your dps will be reduced just as much as a direct damage user, it is just harder to notice. Yes it doesn’t drop to 0, but if you drop from 5000dps to 3000dps for 2 seconds it will then take an additional few seconds to build the condition stacks back up and get back to 5000 dps. A direct damage user can instantly go back to full dps, there is no build up time. In the end these end up being the same, and as such is not a factor.
3. You are correct, it isn’t fair for a ranged user to do as much damage as a melee user. A possible fix for this is to introduce a melee condition user spec to each class when they release new weapons. This would be a melee weapon that applies conditions and whos attacks have a direct damage component that is dependant on condition damage instead of power. This would mean your damage would come entirely from condition based stats, but would be a combination of conditions and direct damage.
1.) I dont think that its so easy to let conditions crit…its a huge mechanics change…and imagine the PvP havoc. And with the right traits/food and full condi gear you get 100% condi duration, which is the cap(and more than 100% bleeding duration when using scepter and Lingering Curse trait)…So no need for more condi duration on armor…and ‘’condi weapons’’ like scepter scale badly with power, so even if they crit all the time the damage benefit is minimal…so stats like condi damage/condi dur/precision or power wouldnt be that good. What would be awesome for necro is the stat combi Power/prec/condi damage, would make hybrid builds stronk
2.) It certainly drops, but it doesnt drop to 0..condi duration plays a role..and as bleeds go away, so does vulnerability, so if a glass cannon stops hitting and the vuln stacks drop, so does its dps. Also against some high toughness bosses (well we got only husks right now to prove that point) conditions work better, cause they ignore armor…and its the same ofc with the players. A major problem is the cap in parties, cause a guy full zerk can override your bleeds/burn/poison and drop your dps dramatically. Same in world bosses, a condimancer is completely useless there. I suggest taking minions, and gear set with power as main stat for those:P
3.) ‘’direct damage component that is dependent on condition damage’‘. Hmm thats interesting, but the damage formula already exists for the weapons..dunno if that can work, would be interesting, maybe something like the guardian trait which makes retaliation scale off of condition damage…There are melee ’’condi weapons’’, for example warrior sword, thief d/d i think..
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Cause of several reasons.
Condition Damage is affected by two things, condition damage and condition duration. Condition Duration isnt available in armor or trinkets (and a combination of cond dmg+duration on weapons is also unavailable i think). So a condi build only relies on one armor stat to build up its damage and has 2 more slots to fill with tanky stats. Berserker armor, the armor used to reach these 10+k sustained dps, needs 3 armor stats, leaving 0 space for tanky stats.
2nd reason is that conditions tick even when you dont hit the boss (Damage over Time). While a zerk does pretty good direct damage, when he stops attacking, his dps drops to 0. So conditions have higher dps uptime than direct damage, they couldnt be as powerful as direct hits.
3rd reason. Melee damage>>Ranged Damage. How is it fair a necro spamming his scepter auto from 900 range doing dps similar to another class which sits on the boss and eats/dodges its attacks ?
Anyway in PvE (at the moment) berserker gear yields the best results. If you feel bad about your condition dps, play conditionmancer/terrormancer in pvp and rejoice
^what nexed said
hmm id give up the unyielding blast for target the weak. Also rampager amulet is maybe the best choice in this build, but i find it way too glassy…maybe Knights or Barbarians instead..
overall its not bad, fits the necro theme completely
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