This is not gonna be another thread pointing out the bug or how it works (as those threads already exist, in excess, and have for a long time) but rather an attempt to engage in constructive discussion about how it can be addressed.
It boggles my mind that this gamebreaking bug still exists in game and (to my knowledge) still hasn’t been addressed by ArenaNet.
Rather than try to fix the bug, how about we try to work around it? The technology/logic already exists in the game tell to tell whether a player is on the ground or in the air (try and drop a bundle item while falling or after jumping and see what it says) so why not use this ability and do one of two things:
When you are immobilized in the air, the condition should be delayed or not take effect until it is verified that you are on the ground.
When you are immobilize in the air, you get a pre condition that upon landing turns into immobilized.
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FIRST of kittenING ALL, Obsidian Sanctum IS NOT an arena for "GvG"s. Obsidian Sanctum is a jumping puzzle where you can kill other players. End of. If you want to liken it to a PvP game mode it is more similar to Slayer or King of the Hill than anything else. You "GvG"ers are delusional and you disgust me. There is no such thing as GvG in this game and what you are doing is NOT GvG. There are no keeps or bases, no flag stand and no competitive plays. You stack buffs on a zerg (albeit ineffectively considering AoE in this game maxes at 5 targets) and then have at in on a completely flat surface. It is pointless, it is rewardless, and it is plain silly. The only reason ArenaNet ever added that warrantless “arena” was to stop whining from both sides- the WvWers complaining about the "GvG"ers out on the open map and the "GvG"ers for existing. Obsidian Sanctum was once lively and used properly and it is an absolute tragedy the state that it is in now- a large part of which was caused by the “GvG” community and the overall WvW community’s constant kittening.
“Power is like the illuminati of Guild Wars.” -Loshon
Hi there Calabit, this indeed is the wrong forum for this thread but I’ll help you out anyway. Upon checking a few things, I came across this tidbit on the wiki:
“You can still finish the scavenger hunt and feed Grawnk the delicacies after Wintersday 2014 ended. When you go to your home instance, Grawnk and the orphan will still show up. Talk to Grawnk and he will tell you where Sous-Chef Seimur Oxbone is and you can still find him, although his icon won’t show up on the map like it did during Wintersday. After feeding him three times, you will still get the collection unlock item and you can then go do the jumping puzzles to get the ornaments. Once done, you will receive credit for the achievement and get your home instance node and the Orphan’s Generous Gift.”
It doesn’t explicitly mention that you need the letter to get the Wintersday rewards, so how about today when you log in, go to your home instance and see if you can start a dialogue with Grawnk.
Best of luck!
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Can confirm the system is still…questionable. 2 days ago while duo-queueing with a friend I faced the Abjured in Unranked. We thought it was funny because we knew our combined MMR was high, but I mean, kitten . It would be nice if Anet would try just a little harder to make proper matches…I know it’s been argued there’s a trade off between matchmaking and queue times but I feel like most people wouldn’t mind waiting longer to face even teams. Maybe unranked uses a slightly less specific algorithm that ranked. Idk.
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Two uplevels, both warriors, a regular engi, a regular guardian.
Two uplevels = 2 upscales, regular engi, a regular guardian = 2 noobs or wvw zerg runners. What I had read wrong? You just can’t kill 2 decent duelists (good skill and build) in 1vs2 on shatterer most time. So suggest u go again to do some pvp at 1×1 servers to see real state of matter.
You’re still failing to see my point. 4 players on auto attack, whether 2 of them come from up levels or not is more than enough pressure to kill a SINGLE (not to mention glass) player. The arguments in this thread that Mesmers are weak are invalid and unfounded. I should stop reading this sub forum because it is not the Mesmer profession sub forum. In reality it’s a bunch of people who don’t know how to play Mesmer complaining about Mesmer. Have a good day.
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Double ranged shatter with traveler runes. You pick them off one by one, run away/blink and kite around to recharge, rinse and repeat.
Xyonon is right. We are talking not about killing upscales or unexp newbies. Go to 1×1 servers and fight decent enemies without using PU phantasm or condy builds.
Apparently somebody can’t read
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…and beeing unable to duel anyone with the same skill level in pvp. The only reason to take mes into pvp is the portal, to fight 2v1 at point a and then still 4v4 at point b.
Right now the mes is probably the worst class in pvp…
LOL? 3000 hours and you still don’t know how to play? I won a 1v4 in Obsidian Sanctum just YESTERDAY as a mesmer.
You sir have been banned from this sub forum by democratic vote.
“Power is like the illuminati of Guild Wars.” -Loshon
If it’s Anet then how come I never lag and only been DCed twice since I have played this game since launch, no it not Anet. I’m on Comcast in Denver maybe that I live less then 3 miles from the major data center hub for Denver I’m not sure if this helps but I never lag and none of my in game friend lag either, so not sure what the issue is but its not Anet. If it were Anet then everyone would lag and that’s just not the case.
This forum is for people who are looking for technical support. It is not supposed to be a discussion about whether or not ArenaNet is at fault for running a laggy service. The only reason this discussion is happening is because people like you come in here and waste everybody’s time. It is evident a lot of people are having issues, so whether or not you are having issues is irrelevant and that is why you shouldn’t be in this thread.
“Power is like the illuminati of Guild Wars.” -Loshon
The Anet fankids in here defending them disgust me. You probably aren’t even lagging. It IS NOT the internet, the internet is FINE. I can stream YouTube in 4K among other things and it runs SMOOTHLY. It is Guild Wars 2 that is lagging terribly.
So please, until the issues affect you too, don’t clutter up these threads with your nonsense and make it harder for them to determine the issue.
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“Power is like the illuminati of Guild Wars.” -Loshon
So this is the second day in a row that the game lags so bad its completely unplayable. Played Diablo 3 earlier no problems. Its just GW2. 3 dc’s in the last 20 minutes and absolutely NO credit for the last 2 events I tried. I am done, I QUIT. Fix your kitten ArenaNet. I really was looking forward to the xpac too. Count me out. I wont be buying it unless some miracle happens with your lag issues between then and now.
I second this motion. My internet is fine. I can stream YouTube videos at 4K. It’s GW. Why buy a game that’s unplayable? Get your kitten together PLEASE.
“Power is like the illuminati of Guild Wars.” -Loshon
One thing that is not speculation is that the only ascended heavy armor I have is Zerker and there is no way in hell I’m going to make a new set.
Well between drops and collections (plus they’ll probably add new collections that drop armor chests), you may just end up with another set. Agreed though, not crafting ascended armor again. Timegated B.S.
“Power is like the illuminati of Guild Wars.” -Loshon
I’ll probably just give him the Berserker gear from my Guardian and buy exotic Zerker from the WvW trader. I don’t see the Revenant being an exception to the Zerker meta.
Fair enough and I agree with you. Zerker will probably remain unchallenged in PvE. Though I was thinking about PvP when I wrote this thread xD
“Power is like the illuminati of Guild Wars.” -Loshon
What we know about Revenants/what’s been repeatedly emphasized is that when you swap legends you have a whole different play style available to you. E.g. Mallyx seems like he’s gonna be all about spreading conditions and the Dwarf is supposed to make you tanky. How is this going to work for gear/stats? If I run a condi build I typically want my gear to be rabid/carrion, but if I run a tanky build I want to be in soldier’s or cleric’s. E.g. I don’t want to be “tanky” in full zerker gear. How will Revenants be able to take full advantage of their gear given how many different stats it sounds like they will need to be effective? Is swapping between legends going to provide a boost to the stat that all of it’s skills would most benefit from? Or is everyone just going to end up using celestial gear?
CONVERSELY: We know that swapping legends changes your utility skills and not your weapon skills. Can we assume then that the utility skills won’t depend on your stats as much and rather have strategic or defensive use most of the time? Does this mean that if I wield the correct weapons I could play a power build regardless (for example) of Mallyx’s apparent design around conditions?
“Power is like the illuminati of Guild Wars.” -Loshon
It’s been a week. There are countless threads and no response from Anet. Are you guys even investigating what’s going on? The game is UNPLAYABLE. PLEASE GET IT TOGETHER!
“Power is like the illuminati of Guild Wars.” -Loshon
I am kittening done. I can’t deal with this anymore. Can someone update this thread when the lag is over? Not logging back in until they get their kitten together -_-
“Power is like the illuminati of Guild Wars.” -Loshon
I’m also EST with Verizon and it’s been terrible for the last 4 days. I’ve gotten so frustrated on most days I’ve just logged in and logged right back out.
I’m not sure what the issue is but this seems to happen every few months to players who use Verizon as their ISP.
Yet you all report even number runs in multiples of 10. You don’t know how many runs you’ve done, you’re just estimating. I refuse to believe that “after 50 runs” you’ve only gotten the guaranteed coat box drop because the drop rate is extremely high- RNG or not. If you flip a coin 50 times, you’re not going to get heads 50 times.
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Alrighty, this screenshot should clear some things up. See attached image.
Not a valid reason if I dare say so. Why do you have to be in the Mists to accept? Can’t we just accept from WvW and just get ported right to the arena instead of through the mists first?
My understanding of Grouch’s response is that if they were to allow you to queue from anywhere, players might get the queue pop while loading a map. E.g. you’re in Divinity’s Reach, walk into the portal to Queensdale and as you are loading Queensdale the pop is waiting on you to respond. The queue pop lasts 20 seconds- 10 to say ready, 10 to choose a map, and some players take longer than 20 seconds to load maps. To make sure everyone is able to see the pop, they lock us all in Hotm. Otherwise people might get dishonored.
I agree with you though; like I said earlier- it all boils down to lazy programming.
“Power is like the illuminati of Guild Wars.” -Loshon
Alrighty, this screenshot should clear some things up. See attached image.
Sounds like a fantastic solition would be to bump the queue accecpt timer up to 1 min, and allow us to do sone other things while waiting.
That would work or they could check that everyone selected is fully loaded before they present the queue. Or they could fix dishonor because it’s obviously broken. Why should a loading player get dishonor for missing the queue when people who afk in HotM are simply taken out of the queue? Why not do that for both?
It really boils down to lazy programming if you ask me.
Edit: I misread your comment Reikou.
“Power is like the illuminati of Guild Wars.” -Loshon
I actually saw Grouch in game and got the opportunity to ask why we were locked into Hotm while waiting on the queue. I’ll post the screenshot when I get home…
“Power is like the illuminati of Guild Wars.” -Loshon
I have to agree with Serelisk as I too absolutely believe closing Keg Brawl for 86% of the year has done nothing but harm it. The healthiest time for Keg Brawl in recent memory was during the Festival of the Four Winds where you could get into Keg Brawl several times a week because Sanctum Sprint was taken out of rotation. It was always crowded and there were multiple instances. While there were 2 (actually 3 if you count the Aspect Arena) activities up at a time during the festival, none of them had any population issues.
The popular opinion of the activities rotation is that it was implemented to encourage people to try multiple activities/different things. In fact all it does is add to the ever-growing list of time-gated things in this game. Want to work on the Keg Brawl achievements? Well you’ve gotta spread it across weeks when in reality it could be accomplished more quickly than that, because Keg Brawl is only here for one day. When I go into activities I see the same people- but they’re unique to the activity. If I go into Sanctum Sprint, I see Shane. He loves racing games and in fact was a top tier rollerbeetle racer from GW1. If I go into Keg Brawl I see Serelisk and the gang from [PUNT]. If I go into Crab Toss I see the same cheeky asura that loves to farm the fishing pole. The reality is the activities are very different, and this attempt to force people into playing different activities does nothing except waste time because if people don’t like an activity, they simply aren’t going to take part in it.
To get slightly off topic a bit: It is incredibly disappointing and frustrating that ArenaNet has adopted this new ethos that time-gating things is healthy. Rather than introduce compelling content to keep their players interested, they have decided to take the cheap route and force (and pretend like it’s not forcing) us to play for longer periods of time than should be necessary to accomplish things in the game. If I already have all the materials to make a set of celestial armor (for example), why should I be forced to wait an entire month to create it? What purpose does time-gating serve other than to sucker players into staying logged in to their game?
I would like to see Keg Brawl separated from the other activities (as it was originally designed as such anyway), or ideally all activities separated from one another unless ArenaNet can provide valid reasons for this current system.
“Power is like the illuminati of Guild Wars.” -Loshon
Yes and my point still stands that I hope they adjust their documents to mention it explicitly before blindsiding a lot of players.
They created the game, they create the rules. Putting “subject to change” is extremely common practice.
I think you’ll understand the point of my post when you see a hundred threads show up in the support section of the forum complaining about getting banned for selling items on the LFG. Common practice or not it doesn’t make it any more clear and there will be a lot of rage if they don’t update it accordingly.
“Power is like the illuminati of Guild Wars.” -Loshon
It’s great to see that questions are actually being answered on these forums. However as someone, who unlike the majority of players has actually read the EULA/ToS I’m incredibly concerned about how this is being handled. Gaile’s post makes it sound like this policy goes into effect immediately. But the thing is, when people accepted the user agreement for this game, this was not listed as a bannable offense. I hope ArenaNet at least updates their legal documents before they start banning players for this- though it wouldn’t be unlike them.
Despite our best efforts to detail the different sections with specific examples, there will always be areas that will ultimately be handled on a per incident basis by the Guild Wars 2 Customer Service Team. Even when not specified, NC Interactive, Inc. (“NCsoft”) and ArenaNet, Inc. (“ArenaNet”) have the sole right and final judgment of how to interpret and apply these rules and guidelines to any specific circumstance and situation, including proper punishment or exception.
Your use of the Service. You acknowledge that NCSOFT may make changes to the provisions of this agreement at any time and that Section headings in this agreement are for purposes of convenience only."
We reserve the right, in our sole and absolute discretion, to change, modify, add or remove portions of these Guild Wars 2 Conduct Breaches and Outcomes at any time. All determinations under or related to this document will be made by us in our sole and absolute discretion.
Yes and my point still stands that I hope they adjust their documents to mention it explicitly before blindsiding a lot of players.
“Power is like the illuminati of Guild Wars.” -Loshon
It’s great to see that questions are actually being answered on these forums. However as someone, who unlike the majority of players has actually read the EULA/ToS I’m incredibly concerned about how this is being handled. Gaile’s post makes it sound like this policy goes into effect immediately. But the thing is, when people accepted the user agreement for this game, this was not listed as a bannable offense. I hope ArenaNet at least updates their legal documents before they start banning players for this- though it wouldn’t be unlike them.
“Power is like the illuminati of Guild Wars.” -Loshon
Inb4 this thread gets moved to the WvW forum and buried.
Exactly what happens to every thread posted about this subject. They take the map out of EB because of people complaining about it harming WvW and love to bury it in the WvW forum- oh the irony.
What’s funny… Did you know that the only way to get to the Obsidian Sanctum if you have never been there before is through the portal in an EB keep? The option to join that map doesn’t show up on the map selection tab in the WvW UI until you’ve been there.
I used to spend 15 hr days in Obsi before it died, I’m quite well informed
“Power is like the illuminati of Guild Wars.” -Loshon
Inb4 this thread gets moved to the WvW forum and buried.
Exactly what happens to every thread posted about this subject. They take the map out of EB because of people complaining about it harming WvW and love to bury it in the WvW forum- oh the irony.
Anyway OP don’t get your hopes up, I and countless others have made threads about this subject- hell I’ve even pmed individual devs and asked if anyone would like to comment. Never a red post, never a response. I think they’ve made it clear that they don’t care and it’s really a shame.
This happened to me yesterday, the guy was a mesmer, he had 0 AR, he had all signet utilities and didn’t use his elite even once (or feedback since he thought Signet of Domination was cool) for the entire run. We felt bad so we didn’t kick him … until the 3rd fractal which was the Aetherblade one.
Someone in my team said they noticed people doing this a lot since the new daily system added Fractals. People just figure they can jump into any fractals group and get their daily. This may be true as I’ve noticed the dailies significantly bolster the activity within activities (no pun intended).
“Power is like the illuminati of Guild Wars.” -Loshon
hm…am i the only one seeing this thing ugly? wooden stick + glow woohoo. even tempest staff is more appealing, not saying crossing, delusion, zodiac, ascended, phoenix..and many more. hope its not new legendary
…Have you seen the Bifrost? It’s an albino pineapple on top of a bone stick.
This staff DESTROYS the Bifrost. I want it so bad and I don’t even have/like norns. Plus I’m sure it would have an aura, footsteps and a different (maybe bird-like) projectile…
I really do hope they finally put it into the game. I’ve wanted it ever since that YouTube clip came up =/
“Power is like the illuminati of Guild Wars.” -Loshon
Maugrim, I appreciate that you’ve made this thread – but don’t get your hopes up. At least 30 threads asking for something to be done about the state of Obsidian Sanctum have been made (such as mine: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/The-State-of-Obsidian-Sanctum ) and Anet has yet to comment. I doubt they haven’t noticed, so I think they just don’t care. It’s a shame.
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Because investing time into something that will have a noticeable and direct impact on the game AND provide something new and refreshing is worth the time and effort.
Doing the same for a jumping puzzle most can’t be bothered with is a waste.
The only time I ever saw anyone at any of the WvW jumping puzzles was when they were part of the daily/monthly/tournament achievements. Beyond that they’ve each been ghost towns and I’m at OS quite a bit for GvGs.
ANets got to have metrics to determine how often these chests are openned. If they came back with a number even close to triple digits on a day-to-day basis I’d be shocked.
You’ve clearly jumped on the Obsi bandwagon since they added the “GvG” arena. If not you would know how active it was in 2012-mid13
“Power is like the illuminati of Guild Wars.” -Loshon
I’m 100% behind bertrand and like 5% behind the OP. The only reason no one goes to the puzzle is because of the loot. Rarely are people griefed at the puzzles because they’re so far out of the way from normal WvW few waste their time checking on them. Even if they had a similar design to EotM to try and get more people on a single map, they’d still be just as empty because of no reason to do the puzzle.
People in MMOs do things once for fun, a second time to see if anything changed, and a third time for sentimental value. Any other time beyond this is done for loot.
Now as to the changes brought up in the OP? I don’t care. Changing OS to act more like EotM will open up further GvG oppurtunities so that’s positive. All the rest isn’t going to have an impact unless the loot is improved so it’s a complete waste of time.
Honestly, we’re better removing OS from WvW entirely and just making it some underground map. Throw in some random NPCs and call it a day.
Replace it with some random PvE zone that is ‘cloned’ and has all the normal worldserver rules like a PvE zone does. The only difference being anyone who isn’t in your guild is flagged as an enemy.
Mentioning that they should revert the chest back to being open-able by multiple characters was a reference to loot.
If Obsi had a match making style similar to EoTm it wouldn’t be empty “because of no reason to do the puzzle.” When I go in there, if I’m lucky I can expect to see 4 other people. 1-2 from each server. I imagine this is proportional across all match ups. If they were combined like EoTm, suddenly the puzzle would be active again. If not because of people motivated by loot, but because of people who actually go in there for fun.
You complain about my suggestions, most of which are reverting changes back to their original form, and call them a waste of time, yet you say “remove Obsidian Sanctum from WvW and make it some underground map” then make all these further new changes like implementing a new combat system. How is that not going to take/waste significantly more time than rolling back the map?
“Power is like the illuminati of Guild Wars.” -Loshon
You’re pretty wrong about GvG being dead, but that aside, I support most of these changes. I think just having a megaserver’d OS would go a long way towards encouraging activity.
That said, I completely disagree with putting it back in EB. Your rebuttal is a straw man because it completely misrepresents the reason people wanted it out of EB in the first place. The reason is because you had to own your EB keep to be able to access OS, and often the outnumbered servers rarely owned their keep (see T3 NA matchup), denying them access to the map altogether.
I know you had to own your keep to get into the Jumping Puzzle but I’m not aware that was ever a big issue o_O In my experience that gave puzzle players a reason to contribute to WvW- they were all aligned with the goal of getting back the keep so they could go back to Obsi and it was often very fun pushing to get back the keep when outnumbered. Then again, in T1 I don’t think we’ve ever really had long periods of being keep-less.
“Power is like the illuminati of Guild Wars.” -Loshon
