Guild Wars 2

If the majority of people you’re interacting with prefer to speed run; chances are the majority of people have more fun doing a speed run than killing everything.

Also, how do you propose they stop speed running? Get rid of swiftness? Increase mob speed? Get rid of tethers? Force you to keep NPC’s alive (or at least res them)? Increase drop rate/rewards to entice players to kill more mobs?

No matter how you did it the reward (or drops) would have to be drastically increased.

Bring an ele with icebow with you. Make sure someone in the group calls targets on the burrows and use T to make sure you’re hitting the burrow and not the gravelings.
Or you could go more supportish and help kite hodgins and the collectors.

Merendel.7128:

Quiznos.4296:

@Merendel: A noob isn’t going to know his tells quite yet how are they to learn? Maybe I like to bring along people new to dungeons rather than just be an elitist. The “side note” would be AFTER YOU KILLED KOHLER, while doing the protect hodgins event and you get stuck behind the door and are thus unreachable.

Yes a noob is not going to know his exact animation tell. However almost any target with a telegraphed nasty attack shares one common trait. They almost always slowly pull their limb of choice back and start flashing before they do something you probably dont want to stand there and eat in the face, kholer is no exception. I’ve seen mobs even in the starter zones do this and if someone hasnt learned to pick up on that queue by the time they start runing explorable dungeons it really is their fault for dieing. On top of that missing the tell once normally will only down you and your team will revive you. It takes you missing the tell several times in a row befor you go strait to defeated and not learning after the first several times is on the players head. I’ve taken new players in to fight him plenty of times no elietism involved. First time they miss it I say “when he flashes and raises his arm back slowly dodge away to survive that” you know what most of the time the newbies avoid most of the remaining pulls. Its only the bad players that refuse to learn that keep dieing to it (well or the ones with bad connections)

And yes even I’ve been ported through that door before guarding hodgins. It stinks the first time it happens but you learn how to avoid it after the first time or two. Not standing between the burrow and the wall will keep you from porting that way. Additionaly if you kill the burrows in the right order that will be the last one to spawn. Unfortunatly those mini teleports were put in to solve an even nastier issue that was in place when melee destroyed an object. Back at launch if you were too close to something that got destroyed you’d be stuck in the terain till you ported or it respawned. Not an ideal situation but it is what it is.

I know the fix and believe me, I appreciate it. I know how to avoid it, but it’s a silly thing to keep track of in the heat of battle Also, it’s the second to last burrow. Don’t forget the one in the “top left” corner behind the racks.

What’s your opinion on a 5 min timer?

skinnyb.5920:

Quiznos.4296:

As for “OK everyone leave combat and let the boss reset so I can re-spawn and actually play the game.” I know I wouldn’t leave combat in that scenario. Maw can be pretty much solo’d.
Also, Jade Maw doesn’t really give the option of having a full party leave combat since you can be hit from anywhere on the final platform.

Even with your various arguments. Not one person has mentioned why a timer would be a bad idea. angan gets it. I mean 5 mins +the run back time should be a rez and not a rez-rush.

You sound rude and disrespectful. I hope I PuG with you just so you die and are unable to res and enjoy playing the dungeon

I was simply trying to keep the thread on topic. Timer for dungeons or not. If you like to PUG with me, go ahead, send me a mail, guest over to borlis pass, and we’ll play together. AC is my most familiar dungeon. I’d love to see you there!

Though I notice you didn’t even provide any input on the topic at hand… you just made a rude comment, and showed no respect for how the forums are expected to work. A bit hypocritical that.

HP gear is good esp for healing aoe’s (mace 2 skill for example). But it’s only good for a healing build (which isn’t much good for anything else. at all. ever.)

Precision and Crit dmg will result in a higher DPS than Crit dmg and Power. Check the wiki and do the math yourself. Though there can be “wasted” precision points. (also noted in the wiki)

Steady stream of burning, healing, and cond removal?
yeah guardians are pretty good

…and how did I forget to mention blocks? ohh blocks. Best thing ever those.
As well as stability, WoR, and Sanct.

@most replyers: Ok Ok so i didn’t have a stop watch on me, but not playing is not playing. And there’s no point in a game where you don’t play.

@Merendel: A noob isn’t going to know his tells quite yet how are they to learn? Maybe I like to bring along people new to dungeons rather than just be an elitist. The “side note” would be AFTER YOU KILLED KOHLER, while doing the protect hodgins event and you get stuck behind the door and are thus unreachable.

As for “OK everyone leave combat and let the boss reset so I can re-spawn and actually play the game.” I know I wouldn’t leave combat in that scenario. Maw can be pretty much solo’d.
Also, Jade Maw doesn’t really give the option of having a full party leave combat since you can be hit from anywhere on the final platform.

Even with your various arguments. Not one person has mentioned why a timer would be a bad idea. angan gets it. I mean 5 mins +the run back time should be a rez and not a rez-rush.

For example:
Jade maw, I fell jumping to the platform (cause I’m an idiot, sure, ok) and killed by irukanji cause you spawn from a missed jump as downed.
The rest of my party never left combat and completed the dungeon while I sat there dead… doing nothing… at all… for an hour. (Quality game play right there, let me tell you)

Another example:
Kholer, who can be 2 manned, now you have 3 people who sit there dead, doing nothing, for an hour. (I’m sure they were having tons of fun)
As a side note, kholer’s completely pointless now, he used to be good for the WP if needed. Esp for path 1 (cause you got kicked through the door while meleeing the burrow) but now, you sit behind a door, doing nothing, until your party finishes the rest of the burrows, or hodgins dies.

Please add a timer. Being able to WP 5 mins after I die certainly wouldn’t feel like a ‘res-rush’ it would be more of a ‘res-amble’.

reactivated? why was it ever made inactive?

I can confirm this…

xyxspliffy.2657:

The simplest way i can think of is to add an equipment slot for minis.

Khisanth.2948:

Quiznos.4296:

I would love to see something like this at work. And if no new players ever enter the monster doesn’t need to spawn (tree falls and no ones around to hear it…).

This would also cause leveling to be much slower. The bonus exp from a kill can be significantly higher than the base.

Didn’t think of that…

Akira.9418:

Quiznos.4296:

Akira.9418:

Quiznos.4296:

just from reading the 5 tips.
I’ll help you out by making it shorter.

oh so you’re gonna make a wild assumption with only partial information on a subject? wowzers you must be a wizard!

My point was that more information could be provided
I’m on the forums when I can’t play the game (i.e. at work) so I’m just as well not going to be able to go on youtube. What assumption did I make?

Please provide a more detailed plan. “5 Amazing Ways” and then then list you gave left a bit to be desired.

It’s just a quick overview of the video, i dont want to give you every last detail becuase the goal is actually to have people watch the video!

Oh, I see, just going for more views

It shouldn’t be as high as it is because of that in the first place

If the invisible only on a single slot and the other 19 were normal, sure.

I wan’t dye preview! instead of having to look up the code, post it in chat, then previewing.

As for the armor/weapons I hate when someone says “hey check out this cool skin I got [adsf]!” and I have to say “hold on let me switch to my ranger.”

beta version had a sort of ying yang effect i liked that
new one underwear definitely seems odd

There are other just as “provocative” armors in the game (t3 cult should have undies)

That’s all I can put in the direction the OP wants. But generally I’m all about practical armor for women (and men). Or exactly the same for both genders. Or the removal of genders in general is cool too. (why do dudes always gotta wear boxers? I want a hammock)

Anet did alot better in de-kittentifying the female video game character with GW2. Though I understand and respect the original design of the arah armor.

It really bothers me when I hit deposit all collectibles and my mini poofs away.

A simple suggestion. Shouldn’t be too hard to do. Don’t think many would be against it.

yay! lets hope it works this time

To tell you the truth I don’t think they were done designing all of them in the first place.
They underestimated the speed at which the player base could/would acquire.

“plot their vengeance” would make them too “dark.” Anet won’t design a game with depth. So if you want to be anything other than a bumbling disney prince hero forget it.

As for dragons saping power… I’m not sure about that. Seems they almost exude it. Too much of it corrupts, but more is definitely being put out there.

Also, would you really want to fight corrupt mursaat? fts
and for that matter “corrupt mursaat” seems a bit redundant.

Basically it goes back to “they’d be too cool.” And the player base can’t have nice things we always complain about them and/or break them

What about xunlai house? Wasn’t exactly gambling but was a way to “bet” on winners
I quite liked the xunlai

Akira.9418:

Quiznos.4296:

just from reading the 5 tips.
I’ll help you out by making it shorter.

oh so you’re gonna make a wild assumption with only partial information on a subject? wowzers you must be a wizard!

My point was that more information could be provided
I’m on the forums when I can’t play the game (i.e. at work) so I’m just as well not going to be able to go on youtube. What assumption did I make?

Please provide a more detailed plan. “5 Amazing Ways” and then then list you gave left a bit to be desired.

domxnik.1453:

Heh, no they are not, not at all. I’m not asking for a 100 player dungeon either. Those dragons are nothing but a zerg. On Sunless, people hardly ever kill the walls or tentacles, as attended. They tunnel vision the boss until it’s down.

Even in a regular dungeon, with 5 people they don’t do what’s intended and then just dps the boss.
My point was that what people are asking for is more of the same content, but with a different name. Adding content that people will just skip anyway seems like a waste of time.
Have you ever gotten a group together to push balthazar? You didn’t say anything about that. Might be more your flavour?

EDIT: Also, “, just weapon and armor skins.” Just? isn’t that what legendary’s are? you can’t say “just a skin” in guild wars 1 or 2 :P people take skins waAay too seriously

Iyeru.5240:

Millionaires.4201:

That’s an exploit >.<

Acting maliciously to offend a user, or bait them into acting maliciously to a troll / baiting user to get banned so that the troll can live in peace forever…

is an exploit of human emotions and psychology. So it doesn’t matter if it’s an exploit for in the game, or an exploit for real life, an exploit is an exploit.

You could try and just bind the various keys to the various buttons in the control options (hit f11)
If that doesn’t work try a razer onza, or another controller that comes with macro/binding software (or see if you can find some floatin around on the net for an xbox controller). Then you could bind out of game to match the keyboard commands.

Engineer can also be a pretty “cognitive” profession as well, but like mesmer can be too much to think about.
I really liked playing/figuring out thief during bwe3. Now I’m all guardian. Next is ranger.

You could try Necro, Ele, Theif, Warrior, Ranger
You’ve got 5 character slots. Make use of em plus with that combo you could actually use all the weapons the game has to offer (even if you dropped necro or ele).

I’m with fyrebrand on this one. I imagine if they do it to enough people, and get reported enough anet will take action.

Esp since people who act like this kill a game faster than the typical bug or lack of added content.

I’ll level an asura ranger with you starting roughly the 21st. Send me mail.

Even if you want something more difficult with higher player caps…
So they take a dungeon that takes an hour to complete with 5 people and change it to one that takes 3 hours to complete and you can have up to 15 players and the reward is tripled.
Is that what you want? Spending significantly more time waiting to group-up?

How is it hard to balance PvE?

DreamOfACure.4382:

@Quiznos:

I hate Ralena and Vassar. Vassar summons mages that mass-stack confusion and it hurts. IT HURTS SO MUCH.

I’d much rather hate a boss for a challenge like that.
Instead of fractals jellyfish where you can press 1 to auto attack. Walk to a pizza shop. Break into the pizza shop. Make yourself a pizza. Walk back home. Eat the pizza. Digest it. Go to the bathroom. Take a short nap. and wake up just as the jelly finally dies.

the only point in XP after you’ve hit 80 is for skill points. What skill is involved in not playing? what experience is there? Why should people who play for 15hrs a day do so if others can get the same results for playing an hour a day?

As for “so I can get xp for my alts” sounds like you may as well suggest I hit 80 on one character so the other 4 on my account should also be 80 even though I’ve never played on them.

Map completion would be even more dull too if you were at eighty and could gear up and buy all the skills you want right away. All low level zones would simply be too easy; and completely pointless to play.

But let’s run with your suggestion and see what game we get:
You play a co-op story mode with a fair number of maps from lvl 1-80.
Upon completion, you can go ahead and play other games for a month.
Now you can now play on 4 other characters!
But you can only play on the last 3 maps from story…

Whereas I’d prefer if they got rid of leveling all together.
Roll everyone back to level 1. And leave them there. Gear can only change skin, not stats. Then the game is purely skill based. People aren’t rewarded for doing absolutely nothing. People aren’t rewarded simply for mindlessly killing the same exact mob over and over again for many hours a day using nothing but auto attack in the same location or botting. They’re rewarded by getting a legendary skin for world map completion at lvl 1.

I would love to see something like this at work. And if no new players ever enter the monster doesn’t need to spawn (tree falls and no ones around to hear it…).

But it would be definately more taxing on the server
Instead of just using a clock. you’d have a clock and a check for every person in the area every x amount of time. The larger x is the less strain, but the less responsive and accurate. Making it based on a raw number of players though instead of specific ones would reduce overhead and be accurate.

In explaining and thinking about it though. This whole thing would essentially be the same as making every mob or set of mobs function like a DE scales. Just without the GUI and karma reward.

I was going to post a code example of how this would work, but I’m not sure how many would appreciate it.

Current spawns: Imagine sitting in a hotel lobby. Look at the clock. Whenever the second hand hits zero clap.
Suggested spawns:
Hotel lobby, again. But now:
{Write down how many people are in the room. Determine if it’s more people than the previous second. If it is write down the word true. }
{repeat another 59 times}
Clap when the second hand strikes 0, if, and only if, you’ve written down true since the last time you clapped.

See the difference? And even in this example if you had the same number of people or more leave during the same second others entered your count wouldn’t go up and you wouldn’t clap at the right time.

Not to mention it wouldn’t even be that simple, I assume Anet programmers like to have millions of different objects, functions, variables, and even comments for ease of use/readability.

EDIT: I also wanted to point out this would slow down players who spawn camp to farm. And almost completely stop bots who stand in one place killing the same mob all day. At very least they, or someone else, would have to leave & re-enter the “lobby” to have something spawn. (and the size/bounds of the “lobby” they’d have to figure out first)

excellent suggestion! So far from what I was expecting from the thread title. But it does raise a few questions:

Hogger’s by the charr could certainly be a ground option. The hard part would be explaining the tethering. What keeps you from “stealing” an airship/hogger from an event to take somewhere else and kill normal mobs? Small gas tanks so you can only be in the air for 2 minutes at a time?

How do you make it work rendering wise?
Sometimes the game freaks out as is with shatterer/jormag/tequatl let alone if there’s more stuff on the screen.

I agree on spicing up dungeons with the mechanics you presented. I especially liked AC story’s lovers. But after repeating the dungeons enough times, and the community forming guides/walkthroughs so quickly, everything gets old fast.
As far as the concern about JP’s in dungeons. Fractals I’m ok with the harpy jumping one. The colossus, though, is a little much for a “mandatory” run. Unlike if an additional dungeon path was added that had a JP in it. I don’t see a single down side to options. Even though people would just “mesmer lfg to portal 3s.”

jormag, tequatl, shatterer, pushing balth (balth being prob the best example)
I’m not a WoW guy so I could be wrong, but aren’t these similar to raids?
mindlessly bashing a big baddie for a long time with a bunch of people around?
Or are you looking for something more like a 100 person dungeon?
It just seems there isn’t a whole lot of skill necessary when you have over a certain number of players; and/or when you repeat content so much you can do it in your sleep in half the time it was designed to take with 1/5 of the people.

just from reading the 5 tips.
I’ll help you out by making it shorter.

1) Play the game.

It’s as general and more concise than the 5 suggestions you had.

I thought the drop rate of keys/chest were supposed to be about even… I mean we all saw this coming, but really? I have gotten a 1:6 drop rate. During the betas I was breaking about even.

Or am I completely wrong about this?

John Smith.4610:

Gambling would be fun for some people, but it has a lot of negatives to it, I think we’ll probably stay away from it.

Mystic Forge?
I guess it’s not gambling; when I gamble I know what the odds are.

I’d really like this chart as mentioned by the OP; which has been diverted from.
For me though, mostly for the race statistics (esp if it was broken down by play time).
Even cooler if this could be tracked “live” (not the economy, I know why you wouldn’t want that) on a set up similar to http://gw2census.com/charts.php but with 3 drop down menus. So you could see a profession breakdown for male charr for example.

Apple Castle? Could be his furnishings are made of apple wood? mmmm apple wood smoked bacon…
But back on topic.
It really bothers me to hear mispronounced/gendered/used spanish words. So I understand the gripe here with welsh/celtic
I never got the flavor either (though I’m a total fan of welsh/celtic). Since they’re an adaptive race wouldn’t they speak with an accent that was more or less the middle point of the other 4 races? or even further the middle point of all of the races in game?

they should’ve gotten iwan rheon on board

Edenfer.9816:

1_ Mursaat
2_ Margonites
3_ Largos

The only problem is that these three races are way too cool compared to the playable ones as of now.

I’m just hoping they won’t release the Tengus as a playable one, too lame.

Mursaat? would your character be invisible to other players unless they have ascended gear? lol. WaAay too powerful/god like to be playable. Plus weren’t they all defeated?
Margonites (some one else pointed out too) would definitely be something worth seeing! They’d work mechanically (maybe not the winged varieties), and have a great back story. I’m totally behind that.
These three races are way too cool… I agree, but suspect even if they weren’t all kinds of people would play a new race simply because its new, cool or not. And others would just play their mains they already have for simplicity, again, cool or not.
I’m really curious as to what stopped them from having the tengu in the game in the first place. Did they run into problems? simply not have enough time to finish them? or are they just holding out for an expansion?

Khisanth.2948:

Quiznos.4296:

I did my exotics from AC, I’d recommend doing the same. Afterwords, just from that I had enough gold from rewards to buy full MF exotics. 3 paths is about an hour. do 3 paths/ day (no dim rewards) get a piece. So ~6 days you have a full set. And plenty of time to run around doing other things during those 6 days.

That is assuming the AC armor has the stat combinations that you want. Doing all 3 paths in some other dungeon could take significantly longer. On the other hand I don’t thing full exotics is a necessity.

also, just wanted to point out for those of you that can’t wrap your mind around it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHPPOFbLb3c

First, you gotta look at reqs:
Land & Underwater travel
Wield All Weapons
Both “Good” & “Dark” sides/factions (or the possibly of such)
Execution of all current animations and emotes.

This leaves (in my mind)
1. Tengu It was intended, but scrapped
2. Largos? I’m not that familiar, but seem to fit. Mystery makes things easier too.
3. Hylek Collector’s edition stated NOT playable race.
4. Grawl Involved in many hearts, events, etc. Though they’re correctable with the right verbiage.
5. Skritt Experimented on by Asura… You’d have to change like all the hearts in metrica providence.

I did my exotics from AC, I’d recommend doing the same. Afterwords, just from that I had enough gold from rewards to buy full MF exotics. 3 paths is about an hour. do 3 paths/ day (no dim rewards) get a piece. So ~6 days you have a full set. And plenty of time to run around doing other things during those 6 days.

I’m cool with the gag weapons.
Nothin like watching ponies farting rainbows flying across the screen.
The steps should’ve been used for smaller weapons, imo, instead.
That way on an asura you can at least somehow tell.
Minstrel doesn’t even have particle effects. Skritt wouldn’t even be attracted to it. It’s got no SHINY!

This information doesn’t rule out the GS though!
You had the sword for stabbing between plates (armpit especially nice spot)
You had the hammer(unmounted)/mace(mounted or unmounted) for crushing enemies in their armor.
And you had the great sword which was something in-between. It was also traditionally used by gripping the blade in some cases to use the hilt to bash/pull your enemies closer (5 skill). Though i don’t see it getting thrown… (3 and 5 skill)

Have you considered torch? Zealous flames and all that.

http://www.gw2armor.com/human/female/light_list.php

in the “just for looks” section the armors listed from devout → tactical come in almost all lvl ranges.

endless Halloween still bugged for me too