personaly i consider this build an total waste ( on thief), specialy for wvwvw :
reasons :
this build will lack burst, all damage comes from conditions, an glass cannon (thief /warrior / mesmer ) will not stay and fight against you, because they cannot burst you , and your only chance to kill them, is if they stay and fight.
. Against other tanky builds , an duel will take few minutes, so some ppls will consider an waste of time to fight against you ( like some warriors nowdays, that cannot harm you, but they regen 1000 hp /sec and have 3400 armor)
P/D // P/P builds are poor in chasing opponents, so most of ppls can leave combat before they lose, V/T/cond armor, will have very low direct damage, you will have totaly 1000 attack – 1300 ? , and the tactic is to stack conditions with CnD /sneak atack ? (vennoms included)
1.-what you build for ? pve / pvp ? /wvwvw ?
if you plan to go for pvp /wvwvw i would reccomand to use – lose 1 condition every 3 seconds in stealth // going stealth blind enemy foes
2. if you plan to go backstab build, you can nearly ignore precision, so valkyrie armor /weapons.
3. i don’t belive runes of strenght are the best in slot for thief >>> the cheap ruby /beryl orbs can be better
4. since you use 30 points in SA, you will gain enough might stealthed , sigil of force might provide you better bonus
So let’s get one thing straight.
——->; HE DIDN’T KILL ME LOL. <——-
I died 1v5 and later on found this poser luring me out to duel, we dueled and I’ll summarize this for you:
He CnD -> Stab -> 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 regardless of hitting the stab or not.
If he were to hit the stab, he would then stay there spamming 2’s or autoattack, if not he would 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 away with his signet of shadows out of combat to get basilisk back up and free heal-up.
Not much to say about a 16k hp (probably full ptv set) no-stunbreaker scrub thief who cant play but has a cheesy tactic to reset the fights.
After getting him to really low hp and witnessing his “tactic” I decided to go on a trolling rampage, which seems to have worked ^.^
Anyway just thought I’d stop by and clear some things up.
P.S.: That video I made isn’t showing off, it was to compare and try to come to a conclusion wether condi or power was best to clear a camp.
P.S.#2: And for the record, I don’t play D/P for the cheezy stealth abuse. I play it because it’s a superior weaponset with UTILITY (clutch headshot interrupts, shadowshot gap closer (which is huge since thief lacks the constant swiftness every other class has), shadowshot-backstabs and blindfield) not just to spam hurr hurr 5 2 2 2 endlessly.
is all good man , i am on your side
it is not easy to fight against those HS spammers ( and by irony , run out of initiative before them )
I’ve got an PTV build , 16k hp man – check it out http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fYEQJAoImQ2KUhcPAAA4p6eAAAQVB-jUxAorAm9KiGbZrIasKbM1LRUNA-w
P.S. the trolling rampage is ? i am pro – i got legendary , rank major, lvl 46 spvp , you noob – or is emo rampage ?
@evilapprentice
i saw your point, and yes on first sight it looks great
however oportunist is conditioned – on critical – so thief vs thief, this trait might not help you very much.
regarding : hidden thief vs infused with shadows .
Infused – might be better on your playstyle, however i use a lot autochain, and rely on bursts in middle of fight.
I cannot count , how many times i’ve won an 1 vs 1 cause BP or steal to turn the advantage of the fight (i was 15% hp , enemy 40% – 60% chasing me, steal -backstab auto or HS).
you mention 2 sec stealth every 35 seconds, but you should consider that is no pre-cast time for this skill, it cure an condition and the most important (is nearly untraceable , compared with rest of stealth (CnD / Bp+HS , shadow refuge /blinding powder they all got animations) With 2 enemy’s arround you can do blind steal ( no target) target enemy 1 or target enemy 2. i consider hidden thief 1 of the best traits ingame,
personaly i don’t have any problems with initiative, and i do not use any utility’ or traits that boost initiative. You might need those traits on popular P/D build if you spam black powder.
Mind sharing your setup?
Also, I believe you meant D/P.
yes D/P is heavy initiative user, i’ve misspelled.
I use D/D // Shortbow . 3 x DB or 2 x cnd +BS + HS are enough for 1 initiative pool, since thief is ment to do burst damage, not constant damage
on shortbow 3x clusters +2 disable shot are also enough betwen autoattacks
What you just described isn’t going to kill 95% of players, assuming that every single ability you used hit. What If they dodge/block/immune/blind you?
What do you do after that? Run away? I mean, what else could you do, you’re out of Init!
This isn’t mean to be offensive, but I’m getting the impression you don’t really know what you’re talking about.
well now i have 2 choices :
1. yes sir, i don’t have any choices , i die against everybody , when my initiative pool is empty = i am dead.
2. i could start to explain , how to play thief, when to use autoattack , when to burst , and when to use shadow refuge or other defensive utility’s , how to adapt against enemy (diferent play style against more classes and more builds)
because version 2 is too long, and might bring another question like “and then ?” i will pick version 1. No initiative = i run or i die
Like I said, share your setup. Go to gw2skills.net/editor/en , if you wouldn’t mind, and post your spec. I just can’t think of a spec with 0 traits or utilities that affect init regen that wouldn’t suffer heavily from 1 or 2 well times dodges, and I’m eager to see how you’ve overcome this issue.
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fYAQNAoYFlUmaPHfS6cCZ7xOVh8E3DnCpaquCYFA-TsAg0CtIqRVjrGTNyas1MIY9x0CA
Here you go :
- 4 stealth “utility” – steal / HiS / SR / BP
-2 blink “utility” – steal / shadowstep
-3 “panic” buttons -BP / Steal / Shadowstep
-good condition removal
some evades on weapon skills.
after few CnD’s or Shadow Refuge , you can mentain 10-12 might stacks, multiple stealth utility’s will allow you to ( initiative free backstabs ) .
Shortbow can go both ways , offensive and defensive , disable shot +autoattacks can keep you in combat when your utility’s are on cooldown (don’t need to run or die)
DB (D/D ) is good to dodge an mesmer’s shatter or BF /warrior’s chain when you are imobilized and utility’s are on cooldown
autoattack chain (D/D) is good against light armor users ( who use autoatack ? -try it against GC light amor users betwen an HS and CnD)
I will not call it L2P , but if you trade 1 or 2 major traits for init regen, and 1 utility, then you run on combo chain, wich can be kittened easy countered.
But what do i know , imo you should listen to xxxsirvincentxxx cause that’s a dead give
away
personaly i don’t have any problems with initiative, and i do not use any utility’ or traits that boost initiative. You might need those traits on popular P/D build if you spam black powder.
Mind sharing your setup?
Also, I believe you meant D/P.
yes D/P is heavy initiative user, i’ve misspelled.
I use D/D // Shortbow . 3 x DB or 2 x cnd +BS + HS are enough for 1 initiative pool, since thief is ment to do burst damage, not constant damage
on shortbow 3x clusters +2 disable shot are also enough betwen autoattacks
What you just described isn’t going to kill 95% of players, assuming that every single ability you used hit. What If they dodge/block/immune/blind you?
What do you do after that? Run away? I mean, what else could you do, you’re out of Init!
This isn’t mean to be offensive, but I’m getting the impression you don’t really know what you’re talking about.
well now i have 2 choices :
1. yes sir, i don’t have any choices , i die against everybody , when my initiative pool is empty = i am dead.
2. i could start to explain , how to play thief, when to use autoattack , when to burst , and when to use shadow refuge or other defensive utility’s , how to adapt against enemy (diferent play style against more classes and more builds)
because version 2 is too long, and might bring another question like “and then ?” i will pick version 1. No initiative = i run or i die
personaly i don’t have any problems with initiative, and i do not use any utility’ or traits that boost initiative. You might need those traits on popular P/D build if you spam black powder.
Do you even play a thief?
No, is too hard for me, i cannot manage my initiative pool
personaly i don’t have any problems with initiative, and i do not use any utility’ or traits that boost initiative. You might need those traits on popular P/D build if you spam black powder.
Mind sharing your setup?
Also, I believe you meant D/P.
yes D/P is heavy initiative user, i’ve misspelled.
I use D/D // Shortbow . 3 x DB or 2 x cnd +BS + HS are enough for 1 initiative pool, since thief is ment to do burst damage, not constant damage
on shortbow 3x clusters +2 disable shot are also enough betwen autoattacks
personaly i don’t have any problems with initiative, and i do not use any utility’ or traits that boost initiative. You might need those traits on popular P/D build if you spam black powder.
30 points in SA :Cond removal /stealth heal
i’ve found blidning powder very strong against necro’s to counter the double fear
with shadow refuge you can disable all his aoe whells and remove all conditions before backstab. When necro’s utility’s are on cooldown they are vulnerable.
1. i would disagree with full PTV gear, even for start , because :
you won’t know your potential , starting with poor critical chance and critical damage, and you won’t learn to dodge /avoid corectly
2. do not try to compensate your stats with signet
more raw stats cannot compensate with utility from shadow refuge /shadowstep /blinding powder etc.
- use signets of power if you play with 3 signets
- if you are going wwvvw / pvp , take at least 1 defensive utility (shadow refuge) / blinding poiwder / RFI / shadowstep, also take condition removal on stealth )
-If you are going pve : change hide in shadows with signet of malice, use 20 trait points in acrobatics, for heal / initiative spent ( P/P is heavy initiative spammer)
-caltrops on dodge is also nice for pve if you get 15 poins in acrobatics
-30 points in DA are used for burst builds , with basilik vennom /signets of power and CnD backstab combo
Your hp pool is fine, your sustain is low, no defensive traits / no defensive skills, and no lifeleach.
on pve -thief use short bow more often, nearly all the time
on wvwvw – except 1 vs 1 / 1 vs 2 ( i use d/d ), i always use shortbow
i’ve got an friend ranger, he mainly use axe on pve , sb more in wvwvw duels
So what can you do when you face 1 of the best thieves eu ? (with legendary , second legendary in progress, high fractal lvl , mediocre sPvP lvl , “major” rank , leaderboard top 200 ) , considering that he is angry cause you just killed him, and he want to lick his wounds ?
It is lame to drag the fight away from his “black powder” ?
find the answer below , after 40 minutes of trolling
so you record how you use dagger storm 7 seconds every 90 seconds, to take an group of mobs ? How efficient will be this on plinx/penitent / shelter / melandru /grenth events.
I don’t say thieves aoe sucks, however you cannot compare your farm with an warrior or elementalist /gs guardian
1. Anti Stealth Traps are USELESS. Period.
10 supplies and nearly 4 seconds cast? Really? Seriously guys? Thief will kill me before I open my Inventory…
2. Thieves can easily escape from EVERY fight. He starts a fight, loses, stealths, heals and resets (or escapes)… and so on. Two days ago I saw a Thief kiting 2 people AND killing a Dolyak in the same time… that’s insane…
3. There is no possible way to counter stealth. I am asking – WITH WHAT? With that useless traps?
4. The risk of roaming as a Thief is 0. Beautiful, round ZERO. He can run away whenever he wants.
I have leveled an Engineer especially for WvW (because my Ele was nerfed again, and no – I’m not talking about D/D but about my Mist Form) and I use dual Pistols + H S B U Elixirs and Supply Crate of course. Traits: 10/30/0/30/0. Armor: Power/Vit/Condi. I have a question – how am I supposed to fight versus someone who is invisible 75% of the time? Glue Shot immobilize and Supply Crate stuns are useful but still – they only let me to harass him – not kill…
i play 5 signets rifle /bow warrior and i have same problem
but there are rumors that some CC utility’s and melle weapons, can counter stealth
you take in consideration roaming and you mention wvwvw
stealth condition removal, will force you to stay stealthed 4 seconds betwen 30 enemy’s to remove 2 conditions.
blinds will stop an auto attack but will not stop an chainned skill , like whirlwind, hundred blades, whirl from guardian,meteor from elementalist, shatter /blurred frenzy from mesmer etc.
Screen, and yea, maybe a little skill, but cmon man, you know we’re stupidly op compared to other classes in wvw right?
compared to rangers /engineirs – maybe we are on same line on large scale fights, and supperior in roaming
Compared with necro/elem /guardian /warrior- lool don’t lie to yourself, they got aoe, they got CC, they got more defence and sustain then you will ever dream , and you got what ?, single- target damage burst? , what exactly do you got to compare yourself with the other classes on wvwvw? cause you got no defensive boons, no aoe boons, no aoe damage, no aoe CC, and poor base hp and armor
thief – pro’s
can kill any newbie in 1 vs 1, fall badly against decent oponents
can escape in an 1 vs 5
can follow the karma train.
cons:
will have trouble to kill any skilled oponent wich is non glas cannon
is 1 of the most horrible clas in large scale battles
best blast finisher ingame , dagger storm got good AOE damage, but those will be gone in 12 seconds, while battles last for 2-3 minutes
– no acces to area CC
– very poor acces to stability / no direct acces to protection
– poor acces to AOE damage- cluster bombs only
– poor team support -except blast finishers
compared with :
warrior /guardian – high acces to CC / high acces to AOE damage / high defence /good team support (aoe buffs /banners / shouts)
mesmer – lot of fields, high team support, mediocre acces to AOE damage.
I haven’t played elem in wvwvw so far , but if you compare thieves in wvwvw with elementalists, or guardians, you will edit your post begging for thieves buffs.
If I run over 2.5k defense I shouldn’t be able to be taken down in less than 20 seconds including my heal. Its ridiculous.
I totaly agree, if i run with my PTV set, 3600 defence , 27000 hp i should survive at least 10 minutes, against an thief, even if i af,k
Go back to WoW. Guild Wars isn’t a face tanking game.
The thieves job in WvW is all about ganking and harrassing reinforcements. Don’t be such a cry baby and learn to fight back.
not everybody played WoW with you in the kindergarden sir, i never played that game, however if i will need advices from you i will visit you in the kindergarden.
Right. Well then go back to the whatever game where you can just apparently just sit and win.
i don’t have to go , i sit near my balista , 1 vs 1 ?
If I run over 2.5k defense I shouldn’t be able to be taken down in less than 20 seconds including my heal. Its ridiculous.
I totaly agree, if i run with my PTV set, 3600 defence , 27000 hp i should survive at least 10 minutes, against an thief, even if i af,k
You’re so weak man, I got 4500 armor and 67,000 HP on my thief, and stealth, and I one shot everything from my perma stealth. I dont even have to reapply my stealths, it just happens, and all this while a chorus of Catholic schoolgirls sings Ramones songs in the background.
Get on my level bro.
If I run over 2.5k defense I shouldn’t be able to be taken down in less than 20 seconds including my heal. Its ridiculous.
I totaly agree, if i run with my PTV set, 3600 defence , 27000 hp i should survive at least 10 minutes, against an thief, even if i af,k
Go back to WoW. Guild Wars isn’t a face tanking game.
The thieves job in WvW is all about ganking and harrassing reinforcements. Don’t be such a cry baby and learn to fight back.
not everybody played WoW with you in the kindergarden sir, i never played that game, however if i will need advices from you i will visit you in the kindergarden.
The Thief burst is fine, and 1400 toughness is enough defense for most things, it’s just that the Thief can get some very high critical hits. I have over 1500 toughness on my Ranger, and I still get the occasional 4k hit, from just Cloak and Dagger. The real problem is the Thief’s ability to repetitively apply stealth, as it means there’s very little drawback to running as a glass cannon. Removing culling made it easier to down a Thief, but the 4 seconds reveal changed nothing, as Thieves have quickly learned to adapt. I would love to see stealth removed from all weapon sets, and be replaced with more boons like stability or aegis, leaving stealth to be applied with healing, utility, and steal skills. But that’s not going to happen..
this is an awsome ideea, however some thieves skills would need re-work (like backstab -hit only from stealth )
daily:
1.kill 5 yaks
2.kill 10 players
3.kill 13 diferent monsters – you find 7 or 10 diferent npc’s at hero’s orchad (citizen /engineir /tehnician/soldier… etc)
4.50 kills
5.ambient killer
6.veteran slayer
7.champion slayer
8.5 events
9.crafting (home border – cost less that 1 silver – 10 bolts of silk)
10.mystic forge – (Garrison) -gamble your loot from karma train
11.gather
12.repair
13.lvler
14. skill points acumulator (3 lvls)
15. savage
this is fair for everybody
We should punish scouts, cause they don’t follow the karma train ?
or roamers, ppls who run in smal groups ?
daily take 10 minutes maximum to complete – but if you don’t follow teh karma train you might need 1 week to get 250 badges, while you get it in 3-4 hours zerging.
So you want more zerg ? i had enough, i spent my badges, i bought sieges, i bought items for my alts, now should i follow the karma train in your humble oppinion ?
depends on situations
on an 20 vs 20 fight, if i use 0 /0/10/30/30 , at the begin of the fight and as often as posible
if i use 0/0/30/30/10 , rarely
on small scale fights, when i want to take advantage over the fight
remove stealth is an simple request but , removing stealth would mean :
re-design all weapon skills, to increase damage, in compensation of stealth attack bonus
re-assign base stats for thief, to increase base survaivability
re-work 70% of traits
and after all this, you will have a new clas, that need balanced , but why… just cause 2-3% of population complain?
you must understand game mechanism, first of all.
dodge is your best friend, no matter what armor you use.
However recomanded would be to have over 15000 hp /2600 defence.
Full defensive armor will not allow you to facetank dungeons, you must use your CC to avoid damage (scepter imobilize, gs pull , staf line of warding… etc)
lol
this kind of topics are old , there was a time when there were 6-7 active topcis like this
you should ignore them, A-net make balance based on tests , not forums complains.
And thief is below average overall at this moment , i could say very poor in pve and poor in sPvP. They are good on wvwvwvw when you catch an low lvl and backstab 10k + or find an shout warrior / staf elementalists, classes with traits and gear for group fights.
Don’t listen to the guy who said absolute resolution is crap. +30 or so regen per second and curing 3 conditions on you and everyone around you twice in a row if necessary is good.
compared with 5 seconds of stability , twice to 5 ally’s on front line guardian, why would you even consider 30 hp /sec and condition clean
if you run in group mostly , null fields and shout warriors should be enough for condition removal, combined with purity.
if you have issues against conditions you can try 30 points in honor .
i am not sure what runes you intend to add, but
either go for 2 monk / 2 water/2 divinity
or 2 monk 2 water / 2 major of water
or go for full set of 6 runes of 1 type
stats are good balanced for an AH build , sigils on weapons are good, armor and max hp are also good.
you can also change food for omnomberry chocolate cream or omnomberry pie.
i would not take absolute resoluting without battle presence, for front line indomitable courage is better, stability to 5 ally’s against initial burst
you will have to add more details
what kind of weapon set , traits do you use
what kind of weapon sets, mesmer used, condition build, direct damage build
-In general sword /focus is good against mesmers.
blinding blade will allow you to stay near the mesmer and the focus will allow you to block 1 shatter skill.
how to detect real mesmer ?
clones don’t dodge and will not move away from you when you hit them
-Greatsword is another good weapon against mesmer , you got an leap and whirl attack can kill clones real fast.
-Judge intervention….
-You must play agresive , or mesmer will just dance arround you
I think the discussion has digressed to a point of “I can do more heartseekers and damage as proof”!
Which is inane. If you compare DPS, don’t compare it with just a terrible insert add extra 10% dps comment. It’s just beyond silly and utterly pointless. You should have written warrior PvE DPS compared to thief’s PVE DPS for me to take you even seriously.
I am not here to write about how I have problems in PvE or WvW or PvP. I’m talking about thief DPS needs to be higher than in general, which I doubt the buffs I’m proposing even does that too much.
First you go from heartseeker do more damage than backstab to, I can heartseeker 10 times in 17 seconds. I frankly don’t care. How old are you? 13? You’re not here to teach me maths, but your arguments are as childish as one of that age (although that might be quite rude to the 13 years olds).
PS: If you want to ask a whirl that uses 130 range, Cyclone Axe, Staggering Blow, Protector’s Strike, Death Blossom. End of line. I’m not going to reply to anymore on whatever you write. Silly troll =/
So you are just another PRO that don’t consider side effects of an change.
your vision is just linear and now you are mad that i banished your ideea, and your point was worthless.
I want regeneration nerf cause i don’t use regeneration
i want Hs to be better that backstab, cause i always facestab
i even dare to compare pistol wisp with DB
@lonewolfie
2. ok so you want to nerf thieves regeneration , would be really kitten
if you make comparations with warriors, compare the heal over 30 seconds.
300 healing power warrior : 3 x shouts x 1500 heal *5 ally’s = 4500 heal for 5 ally’s = 22500 heal.
300 healing power on thief : shadow refuge CnD /CnD/blinding powder /Cnd.. etc , considering your opponent don’t dodge, blind you etc.
30 seconds perma stealth x 320 /sec stealthed = 10000 heal
engineirs , rangers , elementalists can get permanent regeneration, if you want i can draw you an picture.
necromancers -wells heal ally’s- AOE
Guardians – dodge heal for x+ 1 *healing power x 5 ally, high regeneration duration etc
3. thieves skill coeficient ratio:
Double Strike (1-1): 0.2775 x2
Wild Strike (1-2) – Lotus Strike (1-3): 0.847
Autoattack chain: 2.249 – 2s – 1.1245
Stealthed – Backstab (front): 1.202 – 0s – N/D
Stealthed – Backstab (back): 2.405 – 0s – N/D
Heartseeker: 1 (>50%)/1.502 (25%-50%)/2.005 (<25%)
Cloak & Dagger: 1.624 – 0.5s
So backstab have 2.4 ratio and heartseeker (under 25% hp) have 2.00 ratio and you want to buff heartseeker, to be more efficient that backstab
4.
because is an imobile skill and you cannot have whirl area
it is an skill that don’t require much brain to land in pve
is spammable
There’s some horrible stuff written here….
A) The entire SA line is very powerful with powerful condition removals, blinds every time you go into stealth. I am not proposing Shadow’s rejuvenation tweak without adding other buffs into it as well. If Anet someday decides to have condition removals every 4 seconds instead, then yes, I want a bigger heal from SR. But right now thieves are still reasonably comfortable with the heals.
If you don’t know what I’m talking about, please do not comment on it further.
B) You have a problem calculating. 25% heartseeker with 1 stack of vulnerability does not do more damage than backstabbing. In fact, backstabbing with the high number of stacked vulnerability does more than damage than heartseeker (facepalms).
C) This is the dumbest comment I have ever seen. It’s like saying a Tar elemental, Moa birds, shouldn’t drop a WEAPON or ARMOR in the Anet game. It CANNOT be possible. Right? (facepalms)
Dude, it’s a game. I’m not sure where your mind is running at… but you don’t need to spin around to make it a “whirl”. I think just waving my pistol around like a crazy guy can count as a whirl animation.
PS: Can you go back to your other professions? It’s horrible talking to a player who thinks PVE thief players are happy with all the nerfs because other players whined in PvP or WvW.
the entire SA line is mediocre, and below average players will consider it OP
2. with 30 points in DA, +40% condition duration buff, you will get 17 seconds vulnerability, if you want i can draw you an picture. (facepalm NR .1)
I am not here to teach you math but in 17 seconds you can spam 10 heartseekers to an target, wich will add 10% extra damage from all the players who hit that target.
IF you want i can draw you an picture here also. (Facepalm nr 2)
3. i am not sure what is dumb
to ask for whirl with pistol in 130 range, or to say it is bad ideea.
P.S . if you have problems with thief in pve, is because your skill lvl is below average.
I’ve runned lvl 30 -40 fractals with thief a lot, without having much trouble.
i can solo dungeons with thief, and many players can.
ppls solo towers, keep in wvwvw with thieves, (PvDor version wich is PVE)
(facepalm nr 3)
@lonewolfie
2. ok so you want to nerf thieves regeneration , would be really kitten
if you make comparations with warriors, compare the heal over 30 seconds.
300 healing power warrior : 3 x shouts x 1500 heal *5 ally’s = 4500 heal for 5 ally’s = 22500 heal.
300 healing power on thief : shadow refuge CnD /CnD/blinding powder /Cnd.. etc , considering your opponent don’t dodge, blind you etc.
30 seconds perma stealth x 320 /sec stealthed = 10000 heal
engineirs , rangers , elementalists can get permanent regeneration, if you want i can draw you an picture.
necromancers -wells heal ally’s- AOE
Guardians – dodge heal for x+ 1 *healing power x 5 ally, high regeneration duration etc
3. thieves skill coeficient ratio:
Double Strike (1-1): 0.2775 x2
Wild Strike (1-2) – Lotus Strike (1-3): 0.847
Autoattack chain: 2.249 – 2s – 1.1245
Stealthed – Backstab (front): 1.202 – 0s – N/D
Stealthed – Backstab (back): 2.405 – 0s – N/D
Heartseeker: 1 (>50%)/1.502 (25%-50%)/2.005 (<25%)
Cloak & Dagger: 1.624 – 0.5s
So backstab have 2.4 ratio and heartseeker (under 25% hp) have 2.00 ratio and you want to buff heartseeker, to be more efficient that backstab
4.
because is an imobile skill and you cannot have whirl area
it is an skill that don’t require much brain to land in pve
is spammable
toughness > vitality when you got high acces to healing and lifesteal since they are not precentual and heal fixed amount of hp
example :
shadow rejuveration heal for 340 /sec
assasin reward 1100 /initiative pool / omnomberry ghost 325 /crit (1 sec CD)
10 sec stealthed / 15 initiative waste / 3 criticals – 3400 +1100 +1000 = 5500 HP
If you also consider to add healing skills, armor will become more valuable then vitality on an build with 0 /0 / 30 /20 /20
1. IF you got max Hp 14000 = 40% hp regenerated.
2. if you got max hp 21000 = 26% of hp regenerated
The build with more toughness will be able to stay longer in combat
@ OP
i disagree with everything you ask for :
1.first of all : blinding powder is an utility , and black powder is an weapon skill http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Blinding_Powder http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Black_Powder
i see no reason why would you nerf blinding powder.
2. shadow rejuveration – heal for arround 320 -330 with 300 healing power, if an thief heal 75% hp from this trait and he got 150000 hp , mean that he heal:
15.000 * 0.75 / 320 = 35 seconds in stealth, without take damage meantime, and without reset combat
3. i don’t see any reason for HS boost, specialy in pve
4.. pistol whip – whirl finisher. – no , first of all what would be the whirl area? 130 ?
5. scorpion wire -trick – 20 sec cooldown (trained would be 16)
