runes of traveler will only boost your move speed out of combat
somebody made an test, i don’t have the link for it
On pve you might get in combat very often, and for out of combat sitations sword blind / ji /retreat / sy/ and staff speed could be an alternative
On wvwvw zerg, the speed bost is completly pointless
on wvwvw roaming i find staf very usefull to escape from 3 -4 enemy’s – gs leap / line of warding behind, speed boost.
even with runes of travelers you will not be able to hunt down Warriors or thieves if they try to run away.
I use traveler on my thief, but for my guardians i prefer 3 travelers /3 divinity or 2 travelers /2 monk / 2water
i find 3100 -3300 armor more then enough for wvw
my main was thief for over 2500 hours, and i can tell that i never have issues against them, since they are easy to counter
You got high acces to aoe damage, blind/block, and stun breakers, thieves /warriors should not be able to harrras you.
I will only tell you -5 points on virtues – voj – blind / Voc -protection +block. When you see your aegis disapear use your AOE cc. Greatsword 5/ hammer 5. I prefer to use gs5 /4/ gs5(pull) then 3 -2 . This will grant you arround 9 seconds retailation/ cc on thief and blind.
actualy warrior got all those -
Bersek stance – 8 seconds condition removal ?
Balanced stance – 8 sec stability + swiftness ?
healing signet + dodge march ( lol regen)
Bull charge +rush + whilrwind – lol mobility
Base Hp and armor ?
I got nothing against healing signet, but you cannot slow them, imobilize them, and they got high acces to stability
The condition removal /imunity is too strong combined with healing signet and high mobility
Yes I agree, we have great coverage and gain most our points off prime-time. It’s no secret.
But Elona reach still has the worst average skill level of every german server, at least from my experience. A long shot from Riverside or Kodash. Your point?
Hmm I think sfr are only walking baggies <3 so many kills this weekend
so many ? 1000 – 3000 ?
Probably you play on sfr border, and you get ppls that join wvwvw for achivements
we share same oppinion on elona’s home border:)
15 points in trickery / condition damage accesory are pointless in my oppinion on an direct damage build
Mug got nerfed 2 months ago , so you will mug for arround 2k damage
the new traveler runes give 25% movement speed bonus, that could replace your signet of shadows
i have to agree over here, siting betwen 50 enemy’s with 30 ally’kittening eachother for 0 damage for 2 minutes
we move back a bit then damage start working
guardian staff autoattack ftw? cmon we can do better then this
Build something like 10/0/0/30/30 and pick soldier/shaman’s
S/D+SB and just spam evades endlessly – bunkering points with zero effort.
evade spam is not viable in zerg vs zerg wvwvw, low armor /hp , poor acces to stability .0 acces to protection, you cannot keep up with guard /war melle train
that would destroy the ideea of GC thief, specialy in spvp, an 25/30/0/0/5 build would have 30% less critical damage
Thief is not designed to be an tank,i see no point to put 1 offensive and 1 defensive trait same line
Also thief do not benefit from “on Crit” traits like other classes do
gain vigor on crit, or might on crit, etc.
builds and skills play a little part in who is determined winner of a duel, but it really relies on player skill and experience. You can’t just be handed “The Ultimate build” by a pro looking to help someone and says “Here is the best build in the world. It’s scary good!” and expect to be #1, though everyone likes the spotlight and be able to have their shining moment, you gotta work with the build. Know the pro’s and con’s about it. Figure out a rotation or 2 so you don’t get predicted as easily and countered to the floor.
you are very wrong here, builds are deciding factor in most of roaming fights
1. fight against an condition build using meladru runes , and lemongras soup or without any of those
2. use an support build warrior with 3 banners -4 / ptv set, against 1 thief or warrior then fight against him with an balanced / bersek set.
3. try to fight against an player with 5 stacks of applied fortitude, 5 of guard leech, 25 of bloodlust, doulbe food buff, without using any of those:)
Is exactly like “Rock-paper-scissors” every build has an counter build . And an skilled player might lose against an newbie that got an counter build for him
What do u mean thats stats ‘look’ low ? thats highest stats u can get from knight set,
no , your stats are either low or bad combined
i see in your screens you got 59% critical hit chance.
warrior got very high, or the best acces ingame to furry
so with furry your critical hit chance will pop up to 79% , but you got only 40 critical hit damage, and your " power " is not that great either
your max hp and armor are low for an warrior same time.
So my friendly suggestions would be to lower your precision to35-45% critical chance unbufed (that can be up to 60% with furry ) , increasee your max hp over 20 k, increase your critical hit damage to over 70% unbuffed, increase your power
Invest 20 points in discipline for 5 sec weapon swap and mobile strikes.
Use some CC (weapons hammer/ mace/ shield ) utility (bull rush -very good for escape or cc/gap closer)
use proper food (you can stack melandru runes with – condition duration food) , you can use life on critical food )
take advantage of your supperior mobility, warrior should have no issues in wvwvw roaming , only classes that you cannot kill are sword / focus // greatsword – guardians
the 25% movement speed from traveler rune is only out of combat as far as i know
the 15% boon duration is good if you got signets of power or 25 points in SA/ might on dodge , or boons from Steal.
If you run with low acces to boons /fully direct damage, traveler won’t help you very much.
I start to like vizuna , more and more every day.
Nice coverage guys, good scouts, lot of defence in supply camps
Just please, lend some gold to the green arrow guys, i see them on vizuna since 2012
Dire sir, the “new” dire gear is for wvwvw trolls
T/V/Cond damage
celestial is viable also for more direct damage
for runes i’l say traveler , specialy if you trait might on dodge, vigor on heal, vigor on steal, thril of crime, 30 points in shadow arts, you will have high acces to boons
The 20% faster recharge is funny because, you know, thieves have 100% faster recharge aka no cd so long as they have ini.
is not really funny if you calculate skill rotation /minute
Since warriors get easy acces to 5 sec weapon swap and thieves are limited to 12-15 initiative, 20% recharge would be like : …. " critical hits with shortow restore 2 inititive, gain might on critical hits with shortbow ^^"
And as an comparation : thief use : 2-3-4-5 shortbow -cost 15 initiative ? switch to dagger / pistol – thieves use auto attack)
Warrior use 2-3-4-5 GS – switch to axe /shield – use 2-3-4-5 switch to gs and most of skills are ready to use
1. Thief : Power shot – 5% damage on short bow /harpon
2. Warrior Forcefull greatsword : 20% cooldown reduction + might on critical (no internal cooldown)
Slashing power -10% damage for greatsword and spear
1.Thief : Dagger training -5% damage
2. warrior : Sharped axe -critical hit with axe grant extra adrenaline – axe skills recharge 20% faster
axe mastery – 10% critical chance with axe main hand
1. Thief : – first strikes – 10% damage over 6 initiative
2 Warrior -Heightened focus -15% crit chance at full adrenaline
– Berseker’s power 15% damage at full adrenaline
thieves should get some bufs to be in line with warriors ^^
high vitality doesen’t work very well with omnombery pies, i’l sugest to trade some hp with armor
for runes –
traveler – low raw stats , good utility
beryl orbs – good raw stats
Lyssa – if you use basilik vennom
you got some friendly skills for pve:
first and most important :
Signet of malice -is your best friend on group events / orr events, ( aditional 20 points in acrobatics- asssasin reward ) or anywhere you can spam aoe skills
Now considering that you use signet of malice, mostly on map completion, orr events
- solo against group of mobs, i’l reccomand D/D death blossom
dungeons /fractals :
many ppls would consier P/P + unload as best set , since is an safe range high DPS, i’l go a bit intro details and i’l say Shortbow can compete with P/P because of his utility
Most of the times you will have ranger / engineir / elementalist in your party – so you can blast those waterfields to heal all party members for ~ 1400 /blast
Shadow refuge
– is usedl to resurect downed party members
– as an darkfield to leach hp with whirl (death blossom /dagger storm ) or with projectiles (pistol /shortbow)
- to help your party to skip some mobs, that are not necesary for completion (speedrun)
basilik vennom – can stun champions , dungeon bosses
smoke screen, usefull in many dungeons and fractals, in order to block projectiles ( i used it a lot in ravaging assura fractal)
Vennoms, can be viable if you spec on them
I love desolation. the quality of players is kitten high there.
yes I saw a lot coin,god,invi run there together making a 50 deathball train I would like to fight them next week too.
today farmed 18:00 too I dunno 20:30? then I rage quit xD.
sfr got some pug quality problems we had many guild players running whole days with nice gears some nice dodge practice but after 19:30 just farmed 50 pugs just stood there when I told them to roll and they all got wiped xD
I hope we get vizunah/desolation next matchup so I can start train with running no commander tag and specific party set ups in eb prime time the pugs gonna need it Q-Q
WORST QUALITY EVER SFR PUGS prime time… WAKE UP!
‘’note that you had 100 zone blob and farmed you too 19.30 before all good quality players left only 10 zds left and 50 pugs with no brain:) ’’
All the SFR people claiming they are not happy with the bandwagon express and zerg trains 24/7 are all actualy secretly enjoying this!!
And Arenanet is not going to do anything about it.
I am happy, so your afirmation is an lie
And what kind of actions do you espect from A-net ?
- SFR players will drop loot as champions in Orr
- Borderlands are closed betwen 24:00 – 19:00 (for sfr only)
- transfers to sfr will now cost 10.000 gems, and there are free to Desolation (OK with this)
- PvDor is now illegal ( that would hurt )
- new sigil /food / minor trait ( +20 % damage to SFR players – 20% from SFR players)
Dear A-net .
There are over 100 topics on thief forums since 2012 , regarding last refuge -minor trait
This trait will " kill you " if it triggers when you use dagger storm / if you started cast cluster arrow and “last refuge” trigger , will apply reveal independent of players will .
Phase 1 :Thief cast "cluster arrow "at 900 range
Phase 2 : warrior eviscerate 80% of thief hp – “last refuge” trigger
phase 3: "cluster arrow " land and apply reveal to thief, since is an pre-casted skill → thief dead.
any information regarding this trait ? this trait was not changed since reveal was introduced in gw2
same reason why orr temples provide 30 dragonite ore and wvwvw keeps provide 3.
It takes 5-10 min to do grenth , 30 seconds to only tag grenth , but you need over 30 minutes to contest 1 full upgraded keep , and you got high chances to fail.
Same reasons why cof p1 +p2 +p3 = 1 h = 1 exotic armor part and on low populated servers – 250 badges = 1 week +
As an answer to the topic, here is my oppinion
The most complains regarding thieves come from WvWvWvW players who play without an stun breaker ,and lost the karma train. They will provide you evidences regarding how OP’ed is thief , since all they do is press 1 and 6 following an commander. Those are favourite targets for thieves. When it comes to fight 1 vs 1 against an condition engi , double stun warrior, roamning guardians, D/D elementalists , thieves are not so OP anymore, and if they will lose the fights, or if they are more predictable will be able to reset the combat , before they die.
On sPvP stealth is not that good, since you cannot hold or cap points while stealthed
If you are looking for a new server, please , let me introduce Desolation to you.
Verry active PvE comunity, top wvwvw server( lot experience against vizunah and SFR), and friendly with new players..
Desolation will not judge you by your class or personal skill lvl, you can use your own build ( Mace warrior / zerger guardian , D/P thief / duelist mesmers) and you can always find enemys ,and another ( Mace warrior / zerger guardian , D/P thief / duelist mesmers) to party with.
thx guys, i would consider master of consacration , that would make HG more viable
regarding critical chance , i know is low , but if i hit 3-5 targets once, and EM got 1 sec internal cooldown, i belive is fair
SFR = 4x number of deso (if all 4 borders counted together), yet when they loose a battle with 20% more people then Deso they STILL need to call 30 people more in from other border to win.
SFR glicko score: 1950 NR1
Fairplay SFR score 0, Rank 30.
Counter this post wathever you wan’t, lie to yourself wathever you want, this is the truth. I hope the transfer hype for the leagues, is gonna destroy the wvw guilds of sfr again, they deserver after all the cheap recruiting to make a 2nd vizunah square win formula server.
Every time i see a fair battle (equal numbers, no calling in friends), fairplay score of SFR will go up one glicko. Let’s see, still only 5 glicko as off now, will SFR change it’s kitten nature, to good.
Gotta give it to piken square at least that server doesn’t use number to force a victory. I dislike their style but at least they do fairplay when zerg vs zerg is in play.
there is nothing to lie or to counter :
facts are facts, after ascended weapons were introduced , i’ve started farm for 3 days orr temples like crazy, since SFR had poor pve population, i did that by guesting on desolation.
Desolation had over 30 comanders on Cursed Shore and queue on Cursed Shore , Frostgorge Sound. I am sorry if Desolation cannot drag his population in WvWvW. You got enough population to double SFR coverage, you got enough commanders to triple the SFR leaders. However when you fight against SFR and vizunah , you got no more queue’s on wvwvw , and you get outmanned.
So you can accuse SFR because they builded wvwvw community, for training randoms, for providing them an entertaining place in wvwvw, or you can rebuild your wvwvw comunity , and fight against them.
Deso was against SFR and vizunah for months, called SFR unstable and bandwagon, but the time proved contrary.
But don’t tell that SFR have an larger wvwvw population, Desolation have also, lost somewhere betwen fractals and cursed shore Edit this is not an server that lack population for wvwvw (attachament), looks more like terrified
D/P provide an safe newbie play style , since you are not punished when you make mistakes, and that make it an better set for 1 vs 1 (thief vs thief or thief vs warrior)
D/D got 2 nearly useless skills 3 and 4 , however CnD is an cheap initiative alternative to stealth, against some classes (necromancer /rangers /mesmers -as an special mention since they got clones /pets that won’t dodge /avoid your cnd )
if you are going to play D/D against D/P you might have an hard time , however if you are familiar with D/P, you can counter and avoid his burst ( keep in mind that BP + hs will spend more then half of his initiative pool, and he can take damage in his BP by DB and ranged skills ( bow / pp -as an secondary set).
For small groups fights , D/D is better ( easy acces to stealth , light initiative cost, also DB works great with signet of malice)
1. Keep lords , they can be resurrected 100 times in row,with banners or skils from range without an penality or cooldown, that makes Keeps with waypoint nearly imposible to capture (if defenders are motivated, even if they are unorganized, since the capture circle reset every time lord is resurrected )
2. the arrow carts that can shot behind the gate and walls, and is an old problem that hasn’t been fixed yet. (attachament, with hidden attackers /defenders name since i don’t want to make an accusation , i’d like the problem fixed )
Since the topic regarding stealth go on thief forums, and (mesmers /engin/rangers) got also that ability, i’l assume topic is about chainned stealth
1. Hide in shadows – 3 seconds stealth (4 with trait)- arround 5k heal -compared :
ranger – maybe the best heal ingame (long duration water field, group heal)
warrior – 8300 heal -full adrenaline ( would be full initiative -cool -i’l take it)
mesmer – instant cast x 2 heals( 3 trained)
guardian (pasive cond removal – 8000 active heal) … etc
2. shadow refuge – now that’s an strong stealth ability, 12 seconds stealth , but so easy to counter ( 1.mesmer -greatsword area knockback //2. ranger -knockback and channeling attacks, pet fear //3. warrior – more then 1 area knockbacks //4. engineir -area knockback //5. guard -shield area knockback /sanctuary / hammer knockback //6. necro – fear and 7 . elementalist can knockback you , or can kill you in 3 seconds in that area)
3. bliding powder – an 3 seconds stealth every 40 seconds ( more classes got better stealth ability)
So since those are not the Overpowered ability’s i’l assume we talk about weapon skills : CnD – require an target (130 range -3/4 seconds cast time) – can be countered by blind / dodge /block
black powder + HS /blast – can be countered same way like shadow refuge , knock back thief out of his black powder // aoe on his blackpowder from range
But since there will always be complains related to assasin class, specialy from wvwvw side , A-net decided to add stealth traps, wich are far from expensive.
i’ve dueled against few mace/hammer warriors
this build is good against classes with low acces to stability /stunbreakers
Guardians with (SY / stand your ground /Ji) Sword /focus // greatsword , counter this build
Depends on enemy build, some builds can be more or less efficient:
Against glass cannon mesmers (shatter or duelists ) it is good to have an very mobile build with 15 points in acrobatics and good burst , also 1 stun breaker .
Also remember that mesmers got poor condition removal.
Against tanky mesmers (condition mesmers) is better to have some sustain , some regeneration /cond removal from SA.
Warriors :
Glass cannon warriors are easy to counter from range with short bow, after they use endure pain you can go for burst (you need at least 1 stun breaker) , blinds are also good counter .
against tanky warriors , with high defenece and a lot of CC , codnition build work better , also some sustain might be required
rangers are not hard to counter, you can counter the regen with poison field from shortbow , harras them on range, and when they switch to bow , try to burst them
Necromancers :
against those guys you need high hp pool and good condition removal ( sword main hand / 10 points in SA / shadowstep). you can disable all wells while stealthed with shadow refuge, when they got wells on Cooldown they are vulnerable.
Also avoid to fight them when they use elite (you got mobility and stealth)
Of course Piken think its a skilled server. Wtf are we supposed to think when equal sized forces flee before us, refusing to do battle? That we stink? Look, that may be the case but it still inflate our self-esteem to legendary heights.
i have to agree here , Piken is the most skilled server EU, and they win all the time except few situations :
-SKill lagg
-double team
- pve players enter map to gather
-enemy’s had an arrow cart
-enemy’s outmanned them
-enemy’s nightcap and fully upgrade all maps
-spy’s suicide so enemy’s can rally on them
signet – > critical strikes, tricks – > condition damage.
Personaly i don’t belive an condition signet is required, and i don’t belive cond thieves would benefit very much from an signet , (since they cannot invest much in signets mastery’s )
very bad ideea
guilds : gtfo randoms from map , we are too many and we don’t get buffs
randoms : we want play
guilds : if you play we lose
and the drama start
guild 1 : ok we got fully upgraded keep , 20 siege weapons inside (sup ac /balistas etc) we tick 100 point if we stay only 20 players on map , please the rest leave
guild 2: ok man, but we want to play with 20 players also
guild 1: no then we will only tick 50 points.
and the drama start
Your idea will make players from same server to hate eachother, not increase wvwvw population on long term
