Guild Wars 2

this stats only look good on paper
you must change most of your items ( you won’t regret)
keep your rings , accesory’s and backpack
change amulet to emerald pendant, you will upgrade later to triforge if you will be rich enough.
keep your helment and leggs knight ( add chest karma armor , and boots / gloves / shoulders valkerye. Chest armor should be karma armor ( power /thoug. /vitality).
At runes you got more options , divinity , solider ( for shout build ) or 5 solider and 1 divinity to maximize your vitality.
you got almost 1/2 hits critical but your critical power is to low, so aim for 1/3 hits critical and highter damage on critical.
Weapons could be valkerye ( power /vitality /critical amage ) +knight ( my favourite combination ) or valkerye + WvW weapon. i find critical rate the best at 32-38 % for guardian , since your damage comes from retailation and burns as well.

i consider blinding power as the best utility
maybe is because it has no casting time , you can easy counter other thief combo with 1 button or escape 1 warrior burst etc
as well best skill to escape from an zerg

you are wrong pistol in main hand , or dual pistol 1 add nice bleeding if you spec cond damage
2 add a lot of vulnerability
you can use it 4 times and keep 15-20 vulnerability on your target. you can get criple on pistol (trait ) , and add bleeding or vulnerability sigil.

if you are full bersek you can go unload with haste, but that won’t guarantee you kill unless you got an fragile target

testpig.5018:

You know who is level 80 and who is not, by the simple green arrow on the players name.

-6kdamage from an upgraded objective NPC, yep. happens to everyone.
-not level 20, did not have the green arrow near the players name.
-again, on avg i do 6k-10k backstabs, and ave 2k-5kheartseekers
-WvW is not the worst example you can pick, it’s the standard. because it is what most players will be playing for the majority of the time that do WvW/PvP
-Warrior is not invisible. You know what and where to avoid.

i would belived that you backstab 10 k on an normal player if i didn’t saw the 9 k heartseeker on the screen.
that means you can run arround with 2-2-2-2 4 heartseeker 35k damage
however you say in your post that you do average heartseeker 2500 -5000 and average backstab 6-10 k .
So how come you post screen with 9 k heartseeker and only 10k backstab, something does not match over here.
Anyway i am happy for you , that you finaly discovered an overpowered class, called thief , and i wish you good luck on it.
But no , is all an lie ,because the player was either naked or underleveled. Under no other circumstances , you will hit with only rare items equiped 9k with heartseeker..

tagnut.8621:

You roll a thief

sad that 70% of your posts are complains about thieves and u ask ppls to roll an thief
Either troll or sarcasm.

i had made an topic regarding this on guardian forums , most of players on guardian forums told they got no problem with thieves , and there are like 15 posts over there, explaining how to counter thieves .
as an mesmer you got moa, 10 seconds to kill an glass cannon who cannot fight back

TheRamosOnline.2670:

This is almost too hilarious to be taken seriously…
Roll a Mesmer, get a feeling for the class, THEN come back here and tell us you want to see those ridiculous nerfs.

i would , but all the skill bar is pink , purple makes me feel like an … )
but i agree with you, unless you play an class you won’t find his weak points, you won’t learn how to counter him easy

because thief got not much of an choice in there.
As far as traps are to weak , there are 3 major kind of thieves. Backstabers, vennom build, and condition build.
vennom build , use 2-3 vennoms, backstaber use stealth singet of assasin , and condition thief will use maximum survaivability.
If you make an comparation with guardian , where they can use support build, bunker build,burst build, spirit weapons build, consacration build, then yes, thives are forced to stay on 2-3 viable utility builds.

you eat 6k damage from NPC
and you 2 shots an lvl 20 enemy . Please tell me that you hit with heartseeker for 9 k an player lvl 80 with equipent on. Because i never hit anybody more then 4000
what else you want to discuss.

chtiyonki.6284:

Haha,

its fun to see ppls who don’t know how reach good stats thinking ppls are cheating screens

This guy have common stat for me, if you can’t reach good stat as him it’s maybe because you’re build is stat broken.

lol

fykick.2569:

WvW bonuses for a winning server.

maybe
or photoshop

you would like to ruin other ppls fun for your own fun ?
no sir , i 100% disagree , i go 100 vs 1 and i /dance on the dead body after.

Vayra.3290:

Undermine.1678:

I make about 1g-3g a day as a Mesmer in WvW… I die maybe 1-2 times and kill about 100 people or so… I also play solo so I always get loot bags and majority of the time I get 1-2 badges.

Events give silver… aim to do those… when you are at a camp, rush the dolyaks… taking down 2 dolyak then the camp is a stack of 3 events in 60 seconds of your life. Look for the next camp to take or a sentry. Quaggons is another easy event that pays well.

I use master kits and make 1-3 Orichalcum ore from heavy armors I get as loot… most of the time it is mithril. But selling the mithril at 30c each will add up and the Orichalcum at 3s…

Also jump puzzles give you blue prints… you can sell them at 50% off to players making several gold each day especially if you get alpha golems and trebs.

Since when are blueprints tradeable?

Since you can drop them on the ground with ` and put them intro bag with 2

i would go for 30 points in shadow arts, with, deception reuse , condition removal and heal on stealth,30 on critical strikes, and 10 on DA for vulnerability on hit
dual pistiols / dual daggers for first part
some healing power on items, 600 would be awsome arround 14500 max hp and 2700 -2800 armor rest on damage/cond damage
most of ppls ignore healing power on thief, i just have it from SA traits and Divinity runes +triforge necklace , but 400 healing power is already awsome

players learned to counter thieves, they improve every day
the ones who stoped are ppls who love to complain, and refuse to improve own play style.

Daecollo.9578 , there won’t be any nerfs without boosts
So since backstab might get nerfed , heartseeker won’t be buffed , we will get an boost on debufs:)
So watch your back, thieves will stay viable

if you say so, then there isn’t , even to as far as i know invis can be countered easy with aoe , traps and etc. and no i consider moa > time warp in some situations.
time warp get countered by
guardian buubles ( he got 2 right ?
shadow refuge right ?
necro’s fear …
if enemy guardian use stand your ground +tome of courage
or by any aoe CC

LumAnth.5124:

Rayya.2591:

Mek.2947:

Moa is only OP against idiots who stand there and eat up attacks like Pringles. Maybe I’m a super noob, but I like the group invisibility the most. I love having an extra stealth ability, and the cooldown on it isn’t that bad.

you must be very pro if you can dodge the morph in 20 vs 20 or 100 vs 100 in wvw , how ever once you are morphed you are dead, but no you must predict that an lvl 30 mesmer will come and target you, and you become useless for 10 seconds.
MOA is the win button for noobs

Who in the world would use Moa over TIME WARP in WvW?

the mesmers who runs in small groups for supply camps
and moa makes the diference in 3 vs 3 / 5 vs 5 etc

Mek.2947:

Moa is only OP against idiots who stand there and eat up attacks like Pringles. Maybe I’m a super noob, but I like the group invisibility the most. I love having an extra stealth ability, and the cooldown on it isn’t that bad.

you must be very pro if you can dodge the morph in 20 vs 20 or 100 vs 100 in wvw , how ever once you are morphed you are dead, but no you must predict that an lvl 30 mesmer will come and target you, and you become useless for 10 seconds.
MOA is the win button for noobs

so join wvw ? wait 30 min queue , get killed then alt F4 ? where is the logic ?
regarding kills /badges number is 100% irelevant
i can go with my thief and 1 vs 1 or 1 vs 2 for 8 hours to make 20 badges
then i switch to guardian , go spam aoe with staf in zerg vs zerg and i make 150 kills in 40 minutes and 30-40 badges.
IF you want to farm badges, stay on guardian /eleme /eng and spam aoe in zerg vs zerg

i will tell you my opinion regarding this:
i had builded my thief on maximum surivaivability, to minimize the deaths on wvw, since i solo 95% of the time. I am hardly bursted down, and under no circumstances except 3-5 seconds freeze, or afk i cannot get downed in 1 vs 1 by another thief.
But at 90% critical power, and only 2780 p attack i find my initiative pool to small in order to finish an decent player , i am forced to use autoattack a lot , specialy vs warriors and guardians, and i can finish from 1 initiative pool only full glass cannons.
if by any chance thieves will suffer an future nerf in damage, the thieves who aren’t full glass cannon builded will suffer more.

not sure how you can deal , because i don’t know many about necro and engeniers
however yesterday an condition necro chased 2 thieves all the time.
i tryed fight vs him , 1 time i died stealthed from conditions , 1 time he intrerupt my stealth arround 5 times in row with his perma fear ability’s
My sugestion is to ask other necro’s ( condition necro’s ) how they destroy thieves.
Cause i can assure you is your fault you lose vs thieves as necro

1 , i gues we got enough stealth already
2. nice ideea. (36 seconds cooldown)
3. nice ideea (60-90 seconds cooldown -deception)
4. i gues most of our traps need re-work and aoe

black and celestial , t3 coat , gloves duelist pants, some lvl 60 boots

i consider thief glass cannon chance to survive in 1 vs 1 after they do the combo to 25%, if they don’t kill the target.
except mesmers that you already mentioned , warriors can reset combat very easy , specialy vs guardian , they will outrun you
elementarists, can do that if they want to, they will outrun you any time
regarding glass cannon guardian , you had mentioned , is not viable, is an wrong concept , guardian by his design and ability’s is made to be tanky, and will shine in defence.
So as an topic creator OP, what would you like to offer to thieves in exchange for the stealth, wich you consider is an broken mecanism. Thieves got no protection /aegis / stability/retailation and regeneraion is only from 1 skill. (compared with guardian that have 1 pasive and 4 active.
OK we cut off thief’s defence mecanism. no more stealth ? what you give them in exchange?
-more damage ? oh noes
- save yourselves and the other shouts from guardian ? (the buble ? sounds cool !!! projectiles and enemy’s cannot enter and you get healed )
-the mesmers clone’s and teleports ( yay i want 3 4 thieves with me all the time )
-maybe we add them an pet
-maybe some stuns and knockbacks?
-even endurance pain sounds cool
Anyway i am waiting for your sugestion

guardian got traits to reduce cooldown for singets, shouts and meditation
as well you can make consacration skill instant cast
with 30 points on virtues and some runes with boon duration you can almost keep some buffs like protection and retailation up non stop
i belive this is 1 of the reason, and cooldown looks fine for defensive shouts, stand your ground , hold the line 24 seconds

1. disagree , some classes can use mobs as an advantage, you can just avoid them if they bother you
2. no, i only stay in wvw , and is the only way to complete daily achivement
3. ppls complained about orbs, now you want another boost ? no thank you, nobody force you to engage in 3 vs 20. but i don’t want to see 3 players killl 15 at the same time
4.no , you want all to be robots ? same gear same stats for every player? no 100% disagree. This would also kill the Pve.
5.No , disagree, maybe you want an buf that you cannot be targeted by 5 players same time as well ?

hello,
5 days ago i had an nice drop in WvWvW
Not sure what is the drop rate , but good loot exist

bunkers lack mobility, even if they try burst you down, they cannot, they lack damage also
so haras them with area of efect skills and keep an small range (ground targeting skills ignore retailation as far as i know ) keep your hp up and don’t try to burst them down.

Well since most players that complain are glass cannon guardians, i made an guide for them how to handle thieves:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/How-to-handle-thieves
because to be honest is extremly hard for thief already to kill any decent defensive guardian.

i see 2 -3 guardians complain on thieves forums every day , cause they lose vs thieves.
As an main guardian with alt thief i will point here few advantages that you guys should use vs thieves, personaly i never lost to an thief, except situations when i engaged with half hp or at least 2-3 utility’s on reuse
your strongest point vs thief is Armor combined with retailation. Retailation will reflect an fixed amount of dmg / hit arround 700 DMG. So as long as you maximize your armor, you will get less dmg and he will need more hits to kill you.
You must understand that guardian’s damage don’t come from pure power and critical , is combined with burn and retailation. every second that you survive increases your chances to win an 1 v 1, because your pasive regeneration and strong heals even with 0 healing power.
you can keep up retailation from : traits: 10 points in honor aegis give retailation on removal. utility’s : S Y/ stand your ground / singet that reduce incoming damage.
Area of effect skill ( AOE)/: staf :1 ‘st skill /scepter 2’nd skill (smite)/ hammer 2’nd skill , or simply normal attacks on the area where thief used stealth will hit him
just because you cannot see him doesen’t mean you cannot damage him.
Save yourselves (S Y) : maybe the best utility in terms of 1 vs 1
when to use it : never and never start with save yourselves when you engage an thief, he will just stealth away if he is smart enough, use it after he used at least 3 skills on you, you can start with stand your ground for retailation.
Know your enemy : most of thieves will engage with steal: and they have enough initiative to spam 5-6 skills on you. If you survive that burst they will have 2 choices : retreat or die. then is the time to release ur arsenal , activate virtue of justice , save yourselves and start spam aoe on the area where they use stealth.
Best weapons vs thieves, i find scepter on top because smite aoe, imobilize and the ability to use an off hand.
what not to do when you face an thief:
1. never and never start with racial elites, S Y or J I , safe this skills to finish your enemy
2. never run from them, they will catch you , they will punish you hard for this mistake , you will take 2 x more DMG
3. don’t stay on low hp, an smart thief will save intiative for finish combo. if he stealth away and you are on half hp or below , use any heal you got available.

Dear moderator,
after you deleted my topic,

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i would kindly ask you , if it is posible to have an normal profesion forums, because every time i come in forum to look for an advice or discution, i see complaining topics regarding glass cannon take damage from glass cannon. So kindly ask you to merge all topics regarding how OP is thief , because i find hard any other subject except “calling for nerfs” or ’don’t nerf" on first 2 pages of thief profesion.
Thank you very much,
regards,

if there will be an nerf must be general cap , not clas specific
want an nerf : cap critical rate to 65% and crit power to 100%
but no, that’s not good neither because independent of your will you will have to add armor and vitality and thief won’t be able to 3 shots you anymore

Kindly ask you to not create 1500 topics where you complain about thief.
you just got killed by an thief : post here screen with his dmg on you vs your defence
you just made an thief because is overpowered. Please show your achivements as thief.
all the classes got normal forums , but everybody come and rage on thief forums.
I would really want to see an decent player who come and complain here, but i won’t because decent players don’t get 2 shoted

stop with new topics regarding any nerf please.
I really doubt there will be any nerf, the ones that complain are lowbies bursted by glass cannon.
As an balanced ( vitality /thoug /critical ) theif i crit mostly arround 3k and i backstab newbies for 5k. could it be loweR?

you could post an screen to see your contribution at the end of the match
as far as i see it troll post 1 / 10

i just made an ranger went spvp and i hit 12k dmg on an enemy
then i made an warrior bursted down 5 enemy’s at same time
i won spvp as mesmer with all my team afk

ppls do not avoid thief, if you take an look in WvW is full of them.
This will take some time, untill clans will organize more, and there will be no more room for random ninja in WvW , on thief will remain only ppls that can be efficient in groups/zergs

i gues pistols are made for short range pvp, not as an assault siege weapon. and more range could be overpowered.
However an new off hand like Fist would be cool

So , you want to steal an mesmer go away, steal an warrior go away, steal an ranger go away:
and then you go toe to toe with an guardian because you got full buffs 10 seconds on f2 , then you got whirling f3 , and regen f4.
Sounds cool, how about we make it f2-12 3 skills might not be enough

so OP you want an single zerg of 50 ppls to cap an entire map
no thank you
you don’t want to defend camps, scout the area / simple

my advice: safe up gold to re-work your gear
i play thief at this moment , even if i got 3 classes full equipment
the reason is simple: i got 100% chance of 4 criticals in row before enemy can see me

let’s be fair and admit that ppls complain on the folowing combo , not about DMG
The trait combo : hidden thief / hidden killer , when they take steal (4k dmg) backstab 7-8k then cloack and dager 4 k +1 more hit before they see you.
well i do admit that the combo is a bit OP , but is your fault to show your back to an thief. because if the 2 hits that dagger land will not be backstabs combo will hit maximum 10 k DMG. and is able to use the combo once at 40 seconds.
Thief will never TOE to TOE an heavy armor user , and will fail vs medium armor as well if they do not land at least 1 rambo critical.

looking for advices
i got enough defence to survive 1 combo ( i am not glass cannon built)
how ever this seems to last forever , unless 1 of the thieves do an mistake, we can perma stealth vs eachother
so how can i win other thief. mostly i managed to drop 80% Hp of pro thieves with dagger storm after he run away.

i would like to see:
1. poison effect added on more skills
2. cloack and dagger effect changed to 10 stacks of vulnerability +blind + poison
3. an defensive buff (stability / protection /aegis /regeneration /steal health )
4 and most of all -an buff on vennom’s : passive effect (vennom trigger once at 20 seconds)

OP- i can maximum consider your defence average
2 .you do not post stats in same screen with dmg list , so it can be 2 diferent characters :P
3. why run from thieves? you show them the back then complain about backstab
i rarely got more then 3000 from an dagger, usualy crits on me go at 1800 -2300 and i am not an bunker build, but comparing my stats with yours i assume you use rare armor set? , or your critical dmg is over 85% ? ( and that is not an defensive build )

Velg.3170:

Any chance you did this overwiev from LA? Specifically LA overflow?

If so, the attachement is redundant – from LA overflows you see ALL the waypoints that could go conteste as contested.

you can see in screen that overwiev is from cursed shore

as title says
i sugest an nerf of monsters in malchor’s leap , and a longer event reset time
reason : i play on an medium population server :
I can find a lot of ppls on cursed shoe because chain events , and good loot , an decent amount of ppls in forstgorge , but you find max 5-6 ppls that run for gathering in malchor. As well is extremly hard for newbies to take skill challange’s over there even in 3 ppls. Most of ppls who pass intro that map are lvl 76 in green armors, and i assume dificulty is designed for exotic.
i attached an general overwiev over the map , on my server is almost all contested ( screen took at 2 PM but situation in same at 3 am or 2 pm or 7 pm )

WvWvW :
as an scepter/shield user : vs rangers /elementarists /mesmers / thieves /necro
i start with 1/2 dodge rolls to them to close the range gap, since my projectiles can be easy dodged: if they allow me get intro my favourite range 250 -350 i start with smite behind them and activate SY
warriors / engeniers i start with long range projectiles because i prefer to keep an ranged combat vs them. IF they try to close the range gap , i use smite imobilize and change on Focus/sword

i do /dance on every thief /mesmer i kill in 1 vs 1
specialy if he got more orbs then me
i also use /dance at every thief that stealth after 20 seconds of fight and try to run away , usualy works , they rage and come back on fight

never had problems with badge drop rate
i rarely had party on WvWvW , sometimes went with “the zerg”, as an guardian
i managed to purchase 3 weapons on badges, 2 armor parts and i got arround 200-300 more badges.
Drop rate is arround 20%. So in an keep defence or assault you can make over 10 badges in less then 10 minutes. You got poor Aoe ? use arrow cart /balista / catapult.
IF you will go solo / hunt supply camps in smal groups you will not get high ammount of badges. Go in zerg vs zerg / spam aoe and don’t Die