Guild Wars 2

Is posible even on 3000 defence , happened to me once too.
If an thief got base stats :
3200 p attack 104 critical damage 50% critical chance:
He can have with buff food
- 61% critical chance
- 114 crit DMG
-P attack -3200 +250 (25x bloodlust ) + 800-900 from might stacks (from guardian /warrior ally and few from self buff.
If thief reach 4000 + p attack and over 110 crit damage he will deal 10 k- 12k + backstabs on heavy armors, and yes that is overpowered, but i belive that thief had some buffs from guardian/ warrior.

One of the most underrated skills in game even if have an great utility in pve and pvp is D/D 3’rd skill -DB
DB dodge the attacks // apply direct damage // strong bleed and is AOE. with 15 points in critical strikes, 15 on trickery you will be able to spam 4 DB -12 stacks of bleed + caltrops on dodge (1 from 10 points on trickery), you will aoe groups of 6-7 mobs easy

Doomdesire.9365:

Anet tests these balance issues, that’s why they are a good company. People can whine all they want, but unless the developers deem it, it will not happen.

My guess is that the test probably showed what’s always been known

Backstab build sucks in 1v1. A stunbreaker, block, invulnerability, all negate backstab in a 1v1 situation.

The answers are given ,based on statistics also , not only on tests. even if the test will show the thief is ok , and majority of population will demand an change , the service provider will try to make the majority of customers happy.
The complains related to thieves at the moment, come from random wvwvw roamers, not by major zerg players. However they decided to balance the aoe, , without any forum complains since they saw that in zerg vs zerg , warrior can rally arround 5 times if his team push before he get stomped, just by spamming aoe with axe and gs or hammer betwen 30 enemy’s . Same happen with guardians that can toe to toe on melle and elementarists wich can hit 20 targets before they get downed, they get up press 2 buttons and they hit 10 more.

well backstab build is:
Channel C&D // Steal (mug trained) / backstab /lotus strike /heartseeker /heartseeker /hertseeker

i steal often without an target in pvp just for the 2 seconds instant stealth ^^
panic button

cesmode.4257:

iridium.7120:

cesmode.4257:

Concerning the bit about the warrior: I disagree.

Im in knight’s gear, so right there its not full glass cannon. Do not have the bloodlust sigil, and probably don’t have the stats youre speaking of, and I can assure you that after the entire 100b is done, I am probably doing well over 30k. Hell, the last strike of 100b crits for 12-15k alone, with full might stacks. The second to last strike can hit 9-11k on a crit. Right there im in the 20k range for the last two strikes of 100b alone. Consider all else, its probably right around 30k, if not more.

I can SS the last hit for you if youd like(when I get home). Ive noticed that my combat log isn’t picking up my crits for channeled abilities, and Im guessing this will hold true for a 100b. So I can SS the last strike of 100b in a dungeon, so you can see that it is critting 12-15 just with that one hit alone.

In CoF, downscaled to level 75(of course I have the other stats of a lvl 80), my last hit of 100b is critting for around 10-11k and thats without full might stacks half the time. Again, right there thats like 90% of the damage youre speaking of when you guestimated a 15-20k total depending on might stacks…and thats at level 75 and at that time, I was in crap masterwork gear without an exotic greatsword.

I think what you are seeing is the total damage for HB. When doing channeled attacks the system shows you the total damage of the channeled ability. Each hit does approximately the same amount of damage. As for playing a thief in PVE content, while I don’t feel as powerful as my guardian I definitely think we have some underrated support abilities. Going full dps as a thief is probably a mistake however

Wow, I did not know that (if its true). Thats insanely misleading. Well, if thats the case then I do not feel so bad on my thief…if thats the case then the damage differential is much better. Hmm… is there a source that explains this? Or an arenanet post that confirms that?

Why would the game even do that? Id rather see each individual hit.

you can test in Heart of mists with an warrior lvl 2
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Hundred_Blades
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn42kZj0aBg -that’s how it works

mark the case “show skill recharge” from options

purity and generosity cause warrior got poor condition removal on glas cannon build

well you can take the trait- practiced tolerance -at 2000 precision you add extra 500 hp, and if you are going for full bersek gear you can add beryl orbs 15×6 vitality -900 extra hp -arround 12300 , with world bonuses you pass 13k.

not sure about all dungeons, my tests were in fractals lvl 20 -24 last time i’ve played my warrior, Hb was arround 17k on same spot my thief do backstabs arround 7000.

Ensign.2189:

cesmode.4257:

One run of 100b is throwing out somewhere around 30k of dmg. My lowest crit with this is around 4 or 5k…

On my thief I am running a backstab build with the COF set. in PVE I am only getting around 5-7k crits.

You need to maneuver around behind your target to maximize backstab, it does double damage from behind. If 100B is critting for 30k, a properly placed backstab should be critting for 13-15k. A 5-7k crit in that situation implies that you’ve stabbed your foe in the face, which while satisfying does not trigger the doubled damage.

na , that’s kinda my damage on backstab also 7000-9000 in fractals. 2900 p attack 101 crit power.
but warrior won’t do 30k hb either, he will do arround 15-20k depending on might stacks. Ofc if is full glass cannon , ruby orbs 114+ crit damage, 4500 p attack (with 24 might stacks and bloodlust sigil ,Hb can go over 27 k to 30k +

well tbh, 4500 on single target from an unload chain seems poor
you can do 2000 + crits with sword main hand by auto attack, hit 3 targets and more dps
on single target champions where you cannot melle is good, but consider that warrior do over 7k+ / volley, as an ranged weapon comparation

Ignore the signet hatters
Signet of healing might be best in slot heal you can get. 210 + hp regen /second and low CD
Signet of stamina is very good situational, mostly on WvW or in dungeons where you need condition removal.
i Use on warrior an 0/20/30/0/20 , and i find it decent
Pro’s:
short cooldowns on gs skills
might on crit with gs
movement skills break imobilize ( whirlwind, rush)
9 % extra critical chance
an free endure pain at 25% hp , an free stability when you get knocked back .. etc.

Columba.9730:

How is it that with 3k armor I take 5 k, 10k shots from thieves, yet thieves have weak dps? That makes no sense. I have that armor and 24k health and I still die in 1-2 seconds of rom completely invisible thieves, so I don’t understand your point. Try a ranger if you want to complain about weak dps. At least with warriors, I can see them and avoid their damage.

tab + bull charge+ 100 b
30 points intro defence will provide you pasive imunity to basilik vennom and any other stun for 5 seconds every 90 seconds 4 seconds of pasive endure pain at 25% hp. if you got 24k health you will activate EP at 6k hp
without autotarget , rush will move you to 1200 range away from thief, he will waste 9 initiative out of 12 to leap to you.
I don’t have any problem with backstab thieves or S/D thieves on my warrior, and i dodge fights vs P/D thieves(wich i cannot counter because poor condition remove ability’s) , with whirlwind / rush /bull charge, brb i am 2600 range away and whirlwind is available to use.

i just runned 3 days non stop fractals to make my ascended back so i made arround 30-35 fractals*3 maps last 3 days.
Yes, thief is weak compared with warrior in pve, Thief lack constant burst, ability to facetank, party buffs are poor compared with warrior.
However i find shortbow usefull in dungeons. i’ve facetanked some groups of mobs , where the warriors from my party died in 2 seconds.
An good shortbow combo to facetank mobs is – infiltration arrow , cluster /clocking gas, blinding powder, cluster, 1 -2 more hits then disabling shot. Worked well untill fractal lvl 20, even when i jumped betwen 7-8 veterans. Shortbow also provide an decent DPS, and high healing from omnomberry ghost.
I use an combination betwen valkerye /knight /berseker gear – and i keep decent survaivability and DPS
I am fragile but i don’t die in 1 -2 hits, and i always switch betwen ability’s , even to i find most usefull blinding powder, smoke screen shadow refuge.
Needle trap , haste , signet of shadows got own conner also, specialy at bosses when you want and extra blind or imobilize.
If i would have to chose betwen an warrior or thief in party, i would pick warrior, and fact is 95% of thieves i’ve meet in fractals never used lifesteal buff.

swinsk.6410:

Rayya.2591:

If you make the P/D thief to fail his C& D he will not be able to stealth again the whole fight, and he will die in 2 seconds with his 20000 hp , 2600 p def and 3 utility’s + 1 heal +1 elite up to use.

You sound like one of those people who thinks he should 1 shot all enemies for no reason other than you think you are better.

Seriously, 1 dodged cnd is not going to make or break the fight, however, if you apply that advice to the entire duration of the fight with your next thief you will do much better.

ANet did not intend for 1 dodge roll to kill any class, ever.

EDIT: The more you post the more it makes you look like you just started playing this game last week. Just FYI.

seriously 2 dodges on C&D in row , will make me use C&D on mobs , wich is independent of your will
And how you counter that?
A-net did not intend to make 1 mechanism without counter.. and that is C&D currently in WvWvW.

swinsk.6410:

ZLE.8293:

And let me guess what super well kept secret and difficult technique you told him?:
1.Cripple the ^%$#&&^.
2.If they Stealth, after like 2-3 sec DODGE.
3.When they dodge/run towards you DODGE.

Someone else elaborated for me. Thanks!

If you make the P/D thief to fail his C& D he will not be able to stealth again the whole fight, and he will die in 2 seconds with his 20000 hp , 2600 p def and 3 utility’s + 1 heal +1 elite up to use.

ZLE.8293:

Mathematically this makes 50% chance a thief to have dagger in his offhand.

shortbow make your chance go down to 33.333333%

ZLE you know just a few about wvwvw as you stated,
Here are my poor stats, with my lol healing as you stated 3’rd time today ,make an calculation about my healing power, where it comes from if you are interested , P.S crit damage is over 100

Stiv.1820:

Rayya.2591:

Stiv.1820:

Rayya.2591:

fact is, that i am borred of 40 minutes 1 vs 1 thief vs thief,

So you are complaining about chain C&D in a 1 on 1 fight? Is there anything more predictable than when you will get hit by the next C&D if they are perma stealthing?

You blame the skill when the attack can be easily timed and avoided? I guess it’s par for the course for these forums.

you are right , C&D can be so easy avoided , even mobs dodge it sometimes, i saw few mesmer clones doing it.
just 1 question : you state that i cannot C&D in 1 vs 1 with you, in wvwvw if you dodge ? cause to be honest i won’t even bother to C &D on you there is full of mobs in wvwvw, specialy when i am in disadvantage, i C&d on first mob and bang i removed condition, i got an free backstab for you, dodge it, cause is predicteble

You said you were sick of 1v1 with a thief. So now it’s 1v1 with a thief if there is a mesmer (so 2 v 1?) or mobs around. You said chain C&D which requires precise timing, yes it’s easy to dodge, just move away from mobs or help him kill the mob(s) with your own C&D spam as well. I wouldn’t want an easy rally anyway so fighting near mobs is not a good idea in any event.

ok is not 1 vs 1 if there are mobs arround . Is 1 vs 5 , cause mobs are evil and will be on your enemy’s side
and if you dodge the C&d no thief on map cannot stealth
you continue to state that C&d invisibility is up to an dodge roll.
Won’t bother to explain you , since you already know that you can use C&D on anything . But is not 1 vs 1 in your oppinion if an poor white rabit is there right ?
is already 2 vs 1 !!!!

you only see the stealth situation from pvp side. Thieves got rejected in most of dungeons /fractals groups because poor constant DPS / Survaivability – combo.
Even if i got 111 critical damage on my thief and still mentain over 2600 armor/ 16000 hp, my thief is poor compared with my warrior that can keep 114 critical damage 2900 armor and 21500 hp, splash damage and constant burst.
If stealth would be an utility to escape or surprise your enemy only , thieves could receive an buff in other points.
And regarding structured vs WvWvW , the diference is like from sky to earth. sPvP is limited in gear, skills, food buff and limited space, wich makes thieves less powerfull then in wvw. I can reset combat in wvw anytime , but in spvp if i run out of range i already lost the point i was supposed to defend.

Stiv.1820:

Rayya.2591:

fact is, that i am borred of 40 minutes 1 vs 1 thief vs thief,

So you are complaining about chain C&D in a 1 on 1 fight? Is there anything more predictable than when you will get hit by the next C&D if they are perma stealthing?

You blame the skill when the attack can be easily timed and avoided? I guess it’s par for the course for these forums.

you are right , C&D can be so easy avoided , even mobs dodge it sometimes, i saw few mesmer clones doing it.
just 1 question : you state that i cannot C&D in 1 vs 1 with you, in wvwvw if you dodge ? cause to be honest i won’t even bother to C &D on you there is full of mobs in wvwvw, specialy when i am in disadvantage, i C&d on first mob and bang i removed condition, i got an free backstab for you, dodge it, cause is predicteble

ZLE.8293:

@Faeyd you cannot stroke a fire.The guy obviously is another thief wannabe who wants to pull big numbers,but at the same time can’t accept his squishiness .He want’s to have the same level of survivabilty as a thief who spent 50 points into defensive trait lines(or at least he wants them to have his :P)

won’t even bother to flame you back but :
if i would be an wannabe i would transfer from Ring Of Fire to SFR.

ZLE.8293:

Ah so you are a thief. Pistol offhand maybe?….Well i have a news for you:C&D isn’t going anywhere so better learn to deal with it!

no dude, i use D/D / shortbow , i expressed my oppinion regarding this skill , my 2 cents if goes anywhere or stay
But the fact is atm in 1 vs 1 is near imposible to lose if you use C &D correctly with thief.

Stx.4857:

No, your ‘big’ point was that Cloak and Dagger did too many things for one ability.

Which is silly, because you can choose to trait/gear your character to enhance any number of single abilities to great effect. My wells necro says hi, as do grenade engineers.

All you really want nerfed is stealth, to which I would tell you: Dodge the cloak and dagger. The thief will have just wasted half his resources, and be left in the open with his paper thin hp/armor. Other than culling making thieves appear later than they should when leaving stealth, they are fine. A point which is proven by glancing at Tpvp numbers.

i cannot dodge it for the mobs in the area of 1 vs 1

ZLE.8293:

Looks like certain warrior had problems with some P/D bleed thief….

looks like you did your homeworks bad, research better next time, thx
fact is, that i am borred of 40 minutes 1 vs 1 thief vs thief, and no i don’t use P/D , those traits can be used at any build.

Lets look at a thief using signet of malice with 20 crits 30 trickery and centaur runes.
Signet of Malice has:
-12 second cooldown
-restores 6 initiative
-grants 5 stacks of might
-grants swiftness
-can be combined with choking gas, caltrops, and death blossom for crazy passive healing or used for big heal on short cd.
So, because it does ALL that, nerf it???

it doesen’t provide perma invisibility
pasive effect is removed once is activated, and my calculation was without any healing power runes or equipment

OptimistPrime.9283:

Exactly. This topic is useless

the deciding factor give his verdict
but he missed the big point , invisible for enemy

let’s analyze this skill
Cast time : 1/2 seconds
Initiative const : 6
Utility’s with 0/0/30/20/0 build 30 points in shadow arts – 20 in acrobatics
-Skill damage – arround 900 -1100
-vulnerability -3 % 5 seconds
-invisible to enemys- 4 seconds
-blind enemys
-remove 1 condition every 3 seconds stealthed
-health regeneration
1.assasin’s reward 79.5 hp ( only the 300 healing power from traits) * 6 – 477 hp
2.Shadow’s rejuveration 323 hp *4 seconds 1293 hp
total heal – 1770
Spammable ? yes – if it is timmed correctly

Personaly i belive this skill should have an lowered stealth time and thief can receive buffs in other skills /traits

i play my thief atm and
thief is not Overpowered
stealth make him overpowered
the ability to leave an combat vs 1 enemy or vs 5 or vs 30
the ability to enter in an tower and defend it when 30 enemy’s guard the dor
and is even more overpowered on P/D build where you are ranged and 80% of the time stealthed.
If A-net will change stealth with some extra evades stability /regeneration /armor or protection and leave 1 /2 stealth skills to thief they will be more balanced, and more viable in pve as well

Good job RG, nice organizations
I saw you and your entire party with constantly 7-10 boons.Your leaders manage to controll 30 ppls at same time .Not many clans have this organization, and i admire you for that

well , to tell you the true if you want to go intro fractals – best in slot utility’s are group utility’s wich will maximize your damage but also increase party memeber’s DPS
Warrior is very flexible in dungeons and can addept at any situation.
1. i reccomand “for great justice” since it will keep you up 105 power non stop,
furry for 8 secconds and your party will also benefit from those boons.
2. Banner of discipline – extra 90 precision and 10% critical damage for 90 seconds out of 120, and effect got 600 range. Banner’s second skill will buff party members with furry (10 seconds cooldown )
3. usualy as 3’rd utility i keep an panic button ( endure pain or signet of stamina, situational in some fractals i pick balanced stance)
4. healing:
a)Healing utility’s
signet of healing vs mending vs healing sourge
-Signet of healing will provide pasive regen 210-230 hp /second and an 3500-4000 heal every 20 seconds
-mending will remove 2 conditions every 25 seconds and got an superior heal compared with signet, but do not provide constant regeneration.
-healing sourge an heal for up to 9000 hp every 30 seconds, can be best in slot to surive vs bursts
Personaly i prefer signet of healing in pve
b) alternative healing
-15 points in defence will unlock adrenal heal -360 hp every 3 seconds at full adrenaline
- omnomberry ghost or omnomberry pie
C) shouts heal or banner regeneration – gues is not your style since you don’t wanna spec intro support.
5. equipment
-warrior got best base hp , so best in slot would be an combination betwen knight and berseker
-an ranged weapon is almost indispensable in fractals.

warrior got the most powerfull underwater combat ,from all the classes i played.
Spear is awsome, 2 and 5 got good burst, 4 block attacks , with 3 and f1 you CC your enemy

depends on your class
GC warrior > burst thief in 95% of situations. – endure pain bull charge 2 hits -whirlwind gg
GC guardian > not an vey viable combination – you block 1 hit with aegis but you won’t surive the entire burst
GC ranger – got an real chance if he time his skills corectly , the transfer pain, 2 knockbacks +longbow 2’nd skill , will kill the thief before gc thief can stealth away
Not sure about other classes , i find GC warrior good counter vs burst thief,
The ideea is , thief will initiate the fight, he will surprise you but if keep panic button UP, burst thieves cannot stealth to much

i understand your comparation OP, and i understand you don’t want any change in your class but:
elementarists got insane condition removal 2 invulnerability skills and 1 teleport, constant regenerations , etc , wich compensate with low hp pool.
Regarding downed state – in pve with no doubt warrior got best skills , then thieves and mesmers, but an 2 seconds cooldown to vapour form since you get downed would be fair.

practice short bow , is good for aoe , 2 escape skills,
as for single target dps i sugest p/p or dagger /dagger
for utility’s –
the classic shadow refuge
RFI or Blinding Powder as panic skill
and 3’rd utility situational – haste to maximize DPS //ambush trap for some dps and clone can tank trash for few seconds., nedle trap for 1 free imobilize -works on champions, or 1 vennom if you spec intro vennom’s
Signet of malice can add constant regeneration, arround 105 hp /hit – is good combined with food buff or if you don’t take direct damage only aoe’s

i belive banner of discipline would be better then on my mark
You can keep constant furry to your party combined with fgj and extra 90 precision +10% critical DMG , and constant swiftness

i agree if they add :
minor sigil of detection :10% chance on critical to reveal stealthed enemy’s for 3 seconds (600 range -5 seconds cooldown)
Major sigil of detection: 20% chance on critical to reveal stealthed enemy’s for 3 seconds (600 range -5 seconds cooldown)
Supperior sigil of detection: 30% chance on critical to reveal stealthed enemy’s for 3 seconds (600 range -5 seconds cooldown)

well depends what kind of pve.
If i go in cursed shore , with no doubt i will use full glass cannon build so i can grab some drops. Against that mobs glass cannon is the most viable option, i can solo the arena event only with omnomberry food
For warrior condition damage is not that awsome specialy in pve, since you can output more DPS with psihical damage.
to maximize the effect from omnomberry you need armor and critical chance.
An potential good build would be with 15 points on defence (adrenal heal ), healing signet ,over 50% critical chance and 3000 +armor. In this way you will pasive regen 215 hp /seconds +360 hp every 3 seconds . With regen from omnomberry food you can absorb 700 -1000 damage /second. As well you can consider (vigorous shouts ) and “for great justice” ,“shake it off” and “on my mark” 3 shouts with decent cooldown 20-25 seconds and 1300 + heal each ( 4000 heal every 25 seconds).
You build tanky from traits and keep DPS items (combine bersek and knight gear)

Well untill now , the best thieves i fought were from desolation.

troja.6189:

Rayya.2591:

If you want max Dps you need GS
On my GS DPs build max Dps i could get was ( food buff included )
3210 attack -goes up to 4000 + with bloodlust and might stacks from forcefull greatsw
53 crit chance /113 critical damage
2490 armor
21000 hp
critical with an full hundred blades go from 17k -20k on mobs in cursed shore , over 12k (even heavy armor ) on wvw if i land full hb.
Now why i say Gs is supperior for DPS ( forcefull greatsword – add might on critical ,and slashing power add 10% damage)
As Wethospu mentioned , Axe + axe is an very good alternative to DPs
Axe mastery + 10% critical damage
Dual wielding +5% damage

Ok now I have read things many of you said, and people tend to say that GS is probably the best for the max glasscannon dps thing. Now I’ve seen that you have around 2100 power, and you will see in my picture that I have around 2500 which is more, if not much more. Though I know that Hammer can’t have so high crits as GS, so of course now I’m thinking of getting a GS. And I have bought 5 of Superior Scholar runes and not 6 cause I’ve found last bonus somewhat useless, and I’ve put one ruby orb in the last item slot, gaining a little bit of power, precision and critical dmg. Since I’m getting the GS now, should I use the exact same gear I have, and btw I have 104 critical dmg (where did u get that 113?), or should I look for some new gear, and of course I’d use the same trait system as you have mentioned.

my stats were with full buff included 10% crit damage 6% crit rate
as i see you might get some extra precision from signets but in the Glass cannon settup i would kindly reccomand you to use 2 stances and 1 shout in order to maximize the DPs . With " for great justice " and “signet of rage” you will keep furry up 38 seconds out of 48 and 3 stacks of might non stop. The stances i mention are frenzy and endurace pain.

Ofunk.8097:

Vizunah Square is now the #1 ranked server in the European time zone.

This is the tenth time the server has been ranked #1, and it demonstrates again that a french server can dominate the match-up against a server reinforced with huge guilds from american timezone.

We are extremely proud of our server-mates ankittenhankful to fight by their side.

vizunah… i am proud of you
You are the best , numero 1, the one and the only one
But i see an bugg on my screen, you are blue colour VS in WvWvW , doesen’t that makes you second at the moment ?

your build have insane survaivability, you can escape even from 5 players chasing you and constant harras them .
Since nobody can burst you down in 1 vs 1 situations ,my question is , what happens if you meet an bunker. With 30 critical damage and 2800 p atack your bonus p attack /enemy’s p defence will be arround 0.7 -0.8 vs bunkers with an 1.8 critical damage. Do you have any tactics to burst down another bunker build ( even thief ) but mostly i am reffering to guardian, elementarist, mesmer . Or this fights go endless ?

Dylan.3157:

I’m sorry but I have to call shennanigans on that stat distribution Rayya. There’s no way you can get that much power and still have that much armor/vit/crit dmg. Could you share your gear/runeset?

I am sorry, i am not good at english, so i am nut sure what shennanigans means
Anyway i admit i overexagerated a bit
here are my real stats, i lied with 7 armor and 110 hp
and no i do not use this settup, i use other, this is too glass cannon

If you want max Dps you need GS
On my GS DPs build max Dps i could get was ( food buff included )
3210 attack -goes up to 4000 + with bloodlust and might stacks from forcefull greatsw
53 crit chance /113 critical damage
2490 armor
21000 hp
critical with an full hundred blades go from 17k -20k on mobs in cursed shore , over 12k (even heavy armor ) on wvw if i land full hb.
Now why i say Gs is supperior for DPS ( forcefull greatsword – add might on critical ,and slashing power add 10% damage)
As Wethospu mentioned , Axe + axe is an very good alternative to DPs
Axe mastery + 10% critical damage
Dual wielding +5% damage

i want too see on my screen the cooldown from trait skills:
I can aproximate the cooldown but sometimes if i mistake it can be vital
Berseker might -45 sec cooldown
furious reaction -30 sec
last chance 90 sec
Last stand 90 ? (not in skill description )
Defy pain 90 ? ( not in skill description)
So actualy warrior got 5 traits with hidden cooldown (some other classes got alos but not that many), sometimes i use 3 -4 out of 5 and it would be nice to know when i can rely on those skills.

WvWvW related: *
*an nerf in stealth , since the numbers of thieves / mesmers in wvwvw is increasing every week . I do not consider them overpowered but to fight constant vs invisible enemys is not fun . And the question is:
If half of wvwvw population would be thief /mesmer how will they even fight eachother. autoattacks in air non stop ? It was ok at an 10% population stelathed but now the numbers passed 20 -25%. 1 of 4 ppls you will fight will warnish in the air . you fight 10 minutes at an small scale 1 vs 1 -3 vs 3 and enemy’s just disapear when they lose.Is ok if it happen once but not constant.
*Pve related : *
few days ago i’ve started to do fractals: The fact is , almost every single dungeon can be “exploited” to be finished in half time " if you know the trick " (like to bug an boss to stop attack, wich mobs or quests you can skip or trick it )
trading company related :
There are few players that control the market prices at the moment, and make huge amounts of gold every day, meantime normal players are forced to lose own money or to sell the items at the hightest offert.
why it botter me is because it happened to add an item (loot drop )at trading post for 10 gold and 30 minutes latter to see ppls started add : 9.99.99 /9.99.98 /9.99.00 /9.98.99.so i am forced to lose 50 silver to remove it from trading post. when i order to buy something i add price 4.50 gold – 2 minutes latter there is order 4.50.01 /4.50.02 etc. My suggestion is to either add tax for order 2% of value or lower tax for post item. That will not allow players with huge ammounts of gold to control the BLTC

So you ask for
- perma quickness
-More bons then an guardian
-Protection for 10 seconds every 48 sec
-25 seconds vengeance
-more mobility
-an single trait with effect of 3 utility’s – bola / quickness and remove all conditions

Cool
P.S. over 50 % of warriors who play zerg vs zerg use vigorous return- Reason is they hit 20 targets before they die, so chance to rally and hit another 20 is insane :P -that’s how zerg vs zerg works

aNTarTis.2561:

Rayya.2591:

didn’t really had problems with guardians in wvw, i usualy watch for stability buff and use knockback from rifle then volley when stability is not on, in rest i use gs , whirlwind and hb. If he leap on me with gs and start his combo i will defenetly use hb since i output more dps then him

I bet u can kill 2 guardians, even 3!

An safe bet sir :P

didn’t really had problems with guardians in wvw, i usualy watch for stability buff and use knockback from rifle then volley when stability is not on, in rest i use gs , whirlwind and hb. If he leap on me with gs and start his combo i will defenetly use hb since i output more dps then him

is not warrior related , never tryed this i might go to check it out , i belive is related to life/hit food, wich is kinda Overpowered in pve

well untargetable won’t help you a lot since most of classes got aoe on autoattacks , if they presure at your position you will be dead in les then 3 seconds.
Thief will need more then protection, they need an form of regeneration or stability, and an direct knockback /stun if they are going to lose stealth.