Guild Wars 2

Jinks.2057:

I suggest all the complainers about thieves actually roll thieves.

Can’t beat them…..Join em……..

Then you’ll realize you fail on a thief and go back to your other class

i got my thief , got 17k wvw kills with it at under 1000 deaths . preety good ratio don’t you belive ?
But now enlight me how you kill an thief who use shadow refuge at 50% hp, and leave battle.
cause my guardian cannot leave battle when he feel he loses, my necro cannot either.
show me , and i can prove you i stay in battle for 1 h vs you, without reset combat with lvl 1 dagger and no armor / acesoryes , only with my stealth from traits /regen from traits and c&d . And that is overpowered. Waiting you for test if you don’t belive, i will also use only off hand dagger and main hand free.

i had an precursor from veteran guard – supply camp

ok , i don’t really do dungeons often , since i do wvwvw all day.
did fractals last month for my monthly achivement
and i try to do it this month as well. But i keep joining overflows of lion arch and cannot find an party for fractals lvl 1/2. after 40 minutes in lion arch i usualy give up.
I belive that sistem need to be changed since new players, or new characters created cannot advance with fractals

jkctmc.8754:

As a Ranger, I want to know… I have 2800 Armor, without going full defense, and giving up virtually all my damage, along with having the trait Nature’s Protection, which is supposed to trigger on 10% damage done to me, giving me Protection, yet just now, I got hit with a 4k Steal, followed by a 3500 CnD (why didn’t Protection help here), and it was followed by a 7700 backstab, like immeiately and I was FACING THE THIEF, which should have triggered my Bark Skin, which is supposed to reduce damage by 30%, yet another 3500 CnD hits me, and he finishes me off with a 7700 Backstab.

The funny thing is, I use Endurance Regen Food, for the 40% regen, and I was dodging some of his attacks, but alas, I can’t permanently dodge, so eventually I have to get hit.

What do I do, as a Ranger when my endurance is gone, and my defenses do nothing to block the damage?

The other issue is my pet does nothing from the point he stealths for the first time, just sits next to me.

there is no escape from it. try this , after first backstab he should revealed 3 sec so spam tab. once you target it use longbow nr 2 skills (the channeling 1) he will be forced to dodge back not to stealth. after dodge knock him back with your pet . and after that you got an chance to escape if you leap in the other direction with gs

Daecollo.9578:

NightyNight.1823:

Lordryux.9785:

yea warrior has one shot to get you downed in seconds if that combo is interupted or miss then they are sitting ducks especiall glass cannon warriors i run S/D set up for my thief just use infiltrators strike and auto attack them to death its pretty funny.

Ye , siting ducks on top of a tower, 1500 range , so dangerous..
Adrenaline to extreme.

3 ways to get adrenaline to full, can fire kill shot every 8 seconds, 1500 almost twice the range of pistols, freakin amazing!

Also, kill shot is the same damage as backstab (11 more damage to be precise!) when you fully spec into it!

tested it , is overrated , not that viable, i killed few from top of the tower but they got instant ressurected.
In open field it fails 80% of the time , obscured , out of range dodged.
rifle is awsome in open field with crack shot trait and volley, you can output nice damage , and the knockback from rifle is nice, but not the killshot.
compared with thief dual pistol , rifle do 3 x more damage in zerg vs zerg. Compared with thief short bow rifle is 20% better for single target 70% less efficient on aoe.
On short : 30vs 30 situation : thief – i jump with infiltration arrow betwen 30 enemy’s -use blinding powder and 3 cluster at my location – and retreat, use trick shot from behind.- if we win i get 22-25 kills out of 30
30 vs 30 situation : warrior : i use pierce trait (crack shot ) find an target with 2*3 enemy’s behind it , when i get targeted i move back. at end of the pvp if we win i get 6 – 10 kills,

In 1 vs 1 situations.
vs thief is very hard to land it , volley is better
vs other warrior or guardian i’ve killed guardians with kil shot,i have killed warriors also mostly after i knocked them back
vs rangers.* is trick , pet must be behind you in order to land it on ranger, or pet will absorb it, same happens with mesmer clones.
vs eng /necromancers – is viable
vs elementarist – hard to land it since they always knock you down /back , evade /etc.
So over all kill shot is not an win button

well i cannot tell you very much regarding lvl , since i lvled my warrior from lvl 3 to 70 with crafting , but : with lifesteal food, and with few dodges / timed evades i can solo arena event in cursed shore: 3 veterans + minnions and 1 champion + minions

warrior is very strong in pve, because mobs will not move from your HB.
i did lvled with my guardian always on area 7 lvls above , yes at lvl 14 i wass in lvl 20-22 area, but warrior got way better damage output.
you might have some problems with solo skill points mobs, so i recomand to use greatsword for escape.
on PvP you will see your damage go close to 0 since 90 % of your attacks get evaded.
Aswell in dungeons you might have some dificulties , since you cannot absorb constant damage, and 1 burst is not enough to finish the mob

so you made an thief lvl 4 no equipement , and wonned 1 vs 1 pvps ?
i belive is related to your skill , not to class
i tryed this aswell but didn’t went that good

Doomdesire.9365:

Rayya.2591:

the skill is called 100 blades – it has 3.25 seconds cast time and is imobile, Moreever is casted on an npc with vulnerability up. Warrior has 23 sacks of might , arround 4300-4500 p attack. In order to cast 100 B on an player at full potential , you must find an player without condition removal , stunbreaker , invulnerability / mobility skills. and 2 guardians to buff you with might ^^. good luck on that
compared with backstab , 0.25 cast time -12.000 you can cast also 5 heartseekers in that time and 3 normal hits ^^ , and move meantime.
I do not complain about thief, but do not make ridiculous comparations

Ahh yes, but you forget CnD, which is required for sustained backstabs(which it sounds like you’re talking about, not the opening combo).

Tip: If you get hit by CnD, start dodging backwards and placing cripple/aoe chills if you can. He won’t even be able to get in range if done right. For me it’s much easier as I shadow step a few paces back, then place some immobilization traps, but not everyone has em.

why C&D ? , 20 points in SA and steal stelath you
is enough to have 20 in DA and 30 in critical strikes for insane damage, the 10 extra points in DA are just 10 stacks of bloodlust
if you don’t wanna spend 20 points in sa , you can combo steal blinding powderbackstab, since it has instant cast time
thief can also come from shadow refuge, and with 10 seconds stealth, he can come in your back from over 2000 range

Opc.4718:

Rayya.2591:

Op, an single question
what if , i as an thief decide to skip the battle vs an 5 group players and find an easy frag , i stealth and pop up 4 heartseekers and i am at 2000 + distance before you see me
How you counter that ?
1 min latter i find the lowest defence frag in your group , jump on it when you are distarcted with others and get him. Stealth and go away.
Just asking , cause i did that over 100 times

That’s about the most useful thing a thief can do except for DS in zerg situations, so it would be a pity if you couldn’t do it.

So why should 3 classes out of 8 can reset combat anytime they feel like ?
thief’s damage doesen’t need an nerf, is fine.
But the fact that thief , mesmer and elementarists can leave the combat everytime they feel they lose or are in disadvantage is ….
most of players complain about thief because is easyest to reset combat with , if will get nerfed , elementarists and mesmers complains will start.
I got personaly nothing against thieves, i played most of the time 1, and i know how to counter them, the rest is situational if i win or lose vs them. But the 13 seconds shadow refuge, and spamable cloack and dagger does not suits in wvwvw environment

Op, an single question
what if , i as an thief decide to skip the battle vs an 5 group players and find an easy frag , i stealth and pop up 4 heartseekers and i am at 2000 + distance before you see me
How you counter that ?
1 min latter i find the lowest defence frag in your group , jump on it when you are distarcted with others and get him. Stealth and go away.
Just asking , cause i did that over 100 times

Ok now the cons of your build :
You got 1 single stealth skill , shadow refuge. after you use it you can be bursted down by an d/d thief that use blinding powder or singet of shadows and makes you miss your C &D
You got no stunbreaker , an glass cannon warrior can literally faceroll you bull charge +frenzy +100b
Your mobility is low since you got pistol on main hand , no singet of shadows , you can be kited easy, even by an guardian who just leap away +retreat
You got no CC
Not sure how you deal with mesmers with this build but if they kick you out of shadow refuge you are preety much dead.
You should consider add at least 1 stunbreaker or blinding powder / singet of shadows

Bunzy.8674:

If you want a game where skill prevails over numbers its time to get rid of or drastically change the downed state.

The cards are in your hands anet, I hope for your sake you play them right.

EDIT: Why are you people talking about sPvP? It still has a downed state o.o

No
reason 1 : bursts : an pvp can last under 1 second
reason 2: mesmer portal bombs combined with lagg (server lagg not personal pc lagg)
reason 3: stealth

and with :The cards are in your hands anet, I hope for your sake you play them right.
you won’t solve much. A net likes the downed state, major part of comunity like it. Why would anybody play your card?

nice video
but this is better , no pvp last more then 1.5 seconds, except when he is about to lose and can reset combat like he wasn’t even there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TN4kKyauuv8

frans.8092:

Rayya.2591:

if you would actualy read what i write is an response to lucky’s post regarding counter glass cannon.
you get 5 hs and 1 bs in exactly 4 seconds without quickness. use that and time is 1/2

I read what you wrote:

Rayya.2591:

the skill is called 100 blades – it has 3.25 seconds cast time and is imobile, Moreever is casted on an npc with vulnerability up. Warrior has 23 sacks of might , arround 4300-4500 p attack. In order to cast 100 B on an player at full potential , you must find an player without condition removal , stunbreaker , invulnerability / mobility skills. and 2 guardians to buff you with might ^^. good luck on that
compared with backstab , 0.25 cast time -12.000 you can cast also 5 heartseekers in that time and 3 normal hits ^^ , and move meantime.
I do not complain about thief, but do not make ridiculous comparations

Which is “the skill is called 100 blades – it has 3.25 seconds cast time …. compared with backstab , 0.25 cast time -12.000 you can cast also 5 heartseekers in that time and 3 normal hits”

3.25 seconds is the only time-span you mention, and according to what you posted, one can do 5 heartseekers and 3 normal hits in that time. If you meant something else, your post has failed to pass your message properly.

maybe my post has failed, and for sure i made some gramatical mistakes.
so let me explain you again my point , you will might understand, or you did understood but you want to prove me i am wrong.
warrior can do in 3.25 seconds 28.000 damage under some circumstance. Target must not move warrior to be full glass cannon with over 4300 attack . in the screen posted warrior got 23 stacks of might, wich are unavailable in an 1 vs 1 situation.
The 1 vs 1 situation has everything to do with the topic title : leave thieves alone . Because an high ammount of topics " nerf the thief " Op has decided to point :thieves are fine look how much damage warrior can do, how ever the screen was outside the pvp and complains related to thief comes from pvp (sPvP /WvWvW ) not dungeons.
On the same ammount of time, an glass cannon thief can output same damage or even more damage, under some circumstances, specialy in pve ,since the 28000 damage was conditioned by the might stacks and vulnerability stacks on target

looks awsome on paper but
depends on your survaivability traits?
how many condition removal you got, damage reduction, boon duration, how many pasive regenerations , aegis… etc
are the stats with food or without ?

Lucky.4263:

when ppls demanded nerfs thief stayed untouched or with minor boosts.

not true look at nov 15th patch notes

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it was my fav patch, blinding powder every 32 seconds.

Archonis.7249:

Rayya.2591:

Archonis.7249:

Rayya.2591:

Lucky.4263:

“you must find an player without condition removal , stunbreaker , invulnerability / mobility skills.”..
we have to do all of that to match one ability. (im a S/P user i do not spam HS and any skilled thief wuldnt, its not very effective until 35% health)

i am sorry but what you say is irelevant , i got arround 700-800 hours on thief , all the time played in wvw , i lvl’ed in 12 h with crafting + map explore.
You know that in order to counter steal C/d backstab combo from an glass cannon thief ( with basilik vennom or daze on steal) you must have 1-2 dodge rolls Up , 1 stun breaker and – 1 movement ability available to use or 1 area disable -
So in order to counter thieves we must do all that ?
but still is not enough cause if thief is pistol /dagger we must have an very good condition removal and blinds as well.
So were is your point – if you want to counter an specific class build vs it.
If you want to be strong in zerg vs zerg build for zerg vs zerg.

If you are seriously going to try to PvP, then yes you should have some CC, Stunbreaker and know when to dodge. If not, then you get owned by everyone. Not just by Thieves.

Only bads run around with no utility, that includes Thief. Once those bad Thieves with no CC, Stun Breaks and good dodging skills run into someone with CC, Stuns, good timing and Roots. They pop like an overfilled water balloon easily.

you know my post was an replay to lucky’s post regarding "we have to use all that to counter 1 combo "

Be that as it may, it doesn’t make what I said any less true.

ofc not , but you should shout it in all wvw maps, might reduce the “nerf please topics”
or add it on wvw basics topic

as D/D thief.
C/d on first clone on sight, then wait
wait untill you see the real mesmer, steal on it and backstab, if you manage before he stealth away. do not burn initiative on hs / Db / dd. try to remain stealth as much as posible , untill you got on target the real mesmer. IF you burn 2 out of 3 stealth utility’s and he is over 60% hp is better to back off
But the big question is how to find the real mesmer :
1. food buffs are not visible on clones. Sigil stacks are not visible on clones.
2. clones will not move back /left /right /dodge , clones attack will be basic 1’st mesmer skill.
3. clones off hand is not the same as the mesemer’s.

Archonis.7249:

Rayya.2591:

Lucky.4263:

“you must find an player without condition removal , stunbreaker , invulnerability / mobility skills.”..
we have to do all of that to match one ability. (im a S/P user i do not spam HS and any skilled thief wuldnt, its not very effective until 35% health)

i am sorry but what you say is irelevant , i got arround 700-800 hours on thief , all the time played in wvw , i lvl’ed in 12 h with crafting + map explore.
You know that in order to counter steal C/d backstab combo from an glass cannon thief ( with basilik vennom or daze on steal) you must have 1-2 dodge rolls Up , 1 stun breaker and – 1 movement ability available to use or 1 area disable -
So in order to counter thieves we must do all that ?
but still is not enough cause if thief is pistol /dagger we must have an very good condition removal and blinds as well.
So were is your point – if you want to counter an specific class build vs it.
If you want to be strong in zerg vs zerg build for zerg vs zerg.

If you are seriously going to try to PvP, then yes you should have some CC, Stunbreaker and know when to dodge. If not, then you get owned by everyone. Not just by Thieves.

Only bads run around with no utility, that includes Thief. Once those bad Thieves with no CC, Stun Breaks and good dodging skills run into someone with CC, Stuns, good timing and Roots. They pop like an overfilled water balloon easily.

you know my post was an replay to lucky’s post regarding "we have to use all that to counter 1 combo "

Lucky.4263:

Rayya.2591:

Lucky.4263:

“you must find an player without condition removal , stunbreaker , invulnerability / mobility skills.”..
we have to do all of that to match one ability. (im a S/P user i do not spam HS and any skilled thief wuldnt, its not very effective until 35% health)

i am sorry but what you say is irelevant , i got arround 700-800 hours on thief , all the time played in wvw , i lvl’ed in 12 h with crafting + map explore.
You know that in order to counter steal C/d backstab combo from an glass cannon thief ( with basilik vennom or daze on steal) you must have 1-2 dodge rolls Up , 1 stun breaker and – 1 movement ability available to use or 1 area disable -
So in order to counter thieves we must do all that ?
but still is not enough cause if thief is pistol /dagger we must have an very good condition removal and blinds as well.
So were is your point – if you want to counter an specific class build vs it.
If you want to be strong in zerg vs zerg build for zerg vs zerg.

doesnt this apply to countering every GC class/build? last time i checked i had to put just as much effort into avoiding war,ele, and mesmers.

Note: i am not targeting warriors, they are respective in their own way. just too much hate for thieves when other classes are just as effective…. culling is are biggest prob and gives us a bad rep, i believe once it is fixed BS GC’s will be laughable and only for the skilled.

look at your post i quoted .
No, i do not defend warriors , they can hit 1 damage /hit , would not affect me in any way ingame.
No matter how many complains will be related on thief , a-net will not make any changes based on forum complains without tests, as it happened in the past , when ppls demanded nerfs thief stayed untouched or with minor boosts.

frans.8092:

Rayya.2591:

You know that in order to counter steal C/d backstab combo from an glass cannon thief ( with basilik vennom or daze on steal) you must have 1-2 dodge rolls Up , 1 stun breaker and – 1 movement ability available to use or 1 area disable -
So in order to counter thieves we must do all that ?

Wait, you’re actually saying it’s problematic to use a stun-breaker, dodge and some cc, yes, all of those during a fight? Yes, to counter thieves you sometimes need to be able to dodge and roll and cc and break stun. Wow, man, life’s a kitten and then you die.
These skills come in handy to counter just about anything that didn’t instantly die in awe before your might.

Rayya.2591:

been there, done that , 700 + h in wvw with thief, 17000 kills with thief in wvw .

Then you’re lying, you don’t get 5 heartseekers and 3 autoattacks in 3.25 seconds.

if you would actualy read what i write is an response to lucky’s post regarding counter glass cannon.
you get 5 hs and 1 bs in exactly 4 seconds without quickness. use that and time is 1/2

depends what you mean by “tanky” -for pve ? pvp ? dungeons ? wvw ?, able to survive an burst or able to constant stay betwen mobs.
regarding critical power vs critical damage – you can make an simple calculation

let’s take normal hit 1000 damage at 50% critical chance and 50 critical damage in 10 hits you will do 5 non crits -5000 damage
5 crits base critical power 1.5+ 0.5 =2x → 10.000 damage so totaly 15.000 damage

if you get 30% critical chance and 85 critical damage – out of 10 hits you will do
7 non crit -7000 damage and
3 crit base crit power 1.5 +0.85 -2.35x -7050 damage > totaly 14050 damage

but critical power can be improved a lot from food ( maintenance oil + other foods that gives 70 – 100 precision

frans.8092:

Rayya.2591:

compared with backstab , 0.25 cast time -12.000 you can cast also 5 heartseekers in that time and 3 normal hits ^^ ,

Ah, no you can’t. There’s more to skills then the listed activation time. Try before posting please.

been there, done that , 700 + h in wvw with thief, 17000 kills with thief in wvw .

Lucky.4263:

“you must find an player without condition removal , stunbreaker , invulnerability / mobility skills.”..
we have to do all of that to match one ability. (im a S/P user i do not spam HS and any skilled thief wuldnt, its not very effective until 35% health)

i am sorry but what you say is irelevant , i got arround 700-800 hours on thief , all the time played in wvw , i lvl’ed in 12 h with crafting + map explore.
You know that in order to counter steal C/d backstab combo from an glass cannon thief ( with basilik vennom or daze on steal) you must have 1-2 dodge rolls Up , 1 stun breaker and – 1 movement ability available to use or 1 area disable -
So in order to counter thieves we must do all that ?
but still is not enough cause if thief is pistol /dagger we must have an very good condition removal and blinds as well.
So were is your point – if you want to counter an specific class build vs it.
If you want to be strong in zerg vs zerg build for zerg vs zerg.

i wrote on other topics before
Best vs thief is 1 h sword +focus. The damage output will be lower in general compared to other weapons (gs /hammer). However an blind every 10 seconds from sword + 1 from focus every 20 seconds, ( and 3 blocked attacks from focus) will make him fail too much c&d and force him to use stealth utility’s in order to retreat. Judge’s intervention will damage thief even stealthed and will help you chase him. Purging flames (trained for ground target) can make him leave his shadow refuge if he is in trouble . this 2 ability’s combined with virtue of justice can do 5000 + damage on an thief. Scepter’s smite is also great vs them , since they got paper deffence , an smite +imobilize will do 2000-5000 damage to an thief

do not make the mistake to random attack clones. The best ideea is to C&d on first clone and use finisher on the real mesmer " the one with arrow"

thief is an monster in dungeons , if is played corectly.
you can kite an champ from start to end only with shortbow 1+3 +4 without any risk.
you can drop shadow refuge on downed ally’s to protect them and continue fight, without losing any second on resurect. they will get almost instant resurected on shadow refuge
you can output second best damage ingame on single target if you time cloack and dagger +backstab corectly.
aswell thief guide +ambush trap can create an great distraction . Neddle trap is great vs champions.

why would you use an single weapon and lose + 90 power +64 precision +5% critical damage overall in stats at full potential

the skill is called 100 blades – it has 3.25 seconds cast time and is imobile, Moreever is casted on an npc with vulnerability up. Warrior has 23 sacks of might , arround 4300-4500 p attack. In order to cast 100 B on an player at full potential , you must find an player without condition removal , stunbreaker , invulnerability / mobility skills. and 2 guardians to buff you with might ^^. good luck on that
compared with backstab , 0.25 cast time -12.000 you can cast also 5 heartseekers in that time and 3 normal hits ^^ , and move meantime.
I do not complain about thief, but do not make ridiculous comparations

i just made an warrior as well , not verry experienced on it.
burst build don’t have extended survival utility’s, however the burst is insane .since you will need endurance pain and bull charge
With an decent life on hit from sigil of blood and omnoberry pie , i had managed to solo yesterday the Arena event -cursed shore – 3 veterans + minnions and 1 minichamp + 2 minions.
The key of survaivability as far as i noticed in wvw and pve is burst and run. Main escape ability is whirlwind.bull charge without an target is an great escape ability , same as rush. Bolas are great if you fight an single enemy.
Do not run an singet warrior , singets will drag you back. Endurance pain is an panic button, that will only absorb damage for 5 seconds, and will not protect you from knockbacks /knockdowns and stuns, so i recomand use it only as an escape ,
If you want an tanky build : omnomberry pie or ghost, knight set and heals
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Healing_Signet – healing singet can provide 250 hp /sec
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Adrenal_Health – adrenal health another 120 /sec
combined with an shout build
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Vigorous_Shouts – vigourous shouts – 1200 heal at 0 healing power
or an banner build
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Inspiring_Battle_Standard

i completly disagree with you OP
1.Health / armor / damage is related to every players build. You only refered to 1 build " dagger /dagger – imagine sword /dagger thieves with an 25% damage nerf, they will hit lower that guardians. Any non burst build would be completly destroyed.
When i played thief, i had an build with 2700 armor and 18000 hp , with under 3000 power, and decent healing power and critical damage. My damage output wasn’t important since i could drag an fight even for 10 -15 minutes if i had an tanky opponent. healing 350 / sec stealthed , able to take few hits from any class and killing enemys slow. The game mechanism allow this kind of build to win vs any class with lower hp regen / heal, caused by perma stealth.
The only viable nerf regarding thief can come from cloack and dagger stealth timer * reduced to 1.5 seconds from 3 and increase casting time with 1/4 seconds. This nerf would hit the most builds that generate complains ( off hand dagger builds)
2. blind protect you from melle damage, unless you got 1500 aoe blind , you will still die from 1 kill shot in open field, all aoe skills will still hit you, blinded or not
3. all the thief burst is based on initiative sistem, why would an thief have intiative if he got cooldowns ?
An warrior can leap – wirwind -450 range – rush 1200 – bull charge 900 – weapon swap – savage leap 600 range , all in less then 5 seconds -3150 range
an guardian can gs 3 – sword 2 -judge’s intevention – 2300 range in less then 3 seconds,. situation an mercifull 1200 extra range
Elementarist can do lighting ball + teleport + myst form -3500 + range
At this time thief can – steal – 900 range + 5 heartseekers (trained)*450 range 3000 range,
So already elementarists can escape from thief, if they wanna dodge the fight, for guardians and warriors is situational , but in some situations they can reset combat vs thief or escape from it.
Mesmers also got insane mobility and can leave combat vs thief.
I belive you did not took all this factors intro consideration OP. but an cooldown to heartseeker would totaly kill the thief if PvP/ wvw

So let me understand :
heartseeker spammers are bad, unskilled but they can faceroll everybody.
Looks like is an viable build
Can anybody share the traits /utility’s for this build ?

in terms of efficiency
An skilled warrior with experience is better then an skilled thief with experience
an newbie thief will be able to survive more in battle then an newbie warrior.
For Pve – warrior > thief.
As well guardian can output good damage , after you get some experience on it.

guardian will rushing vs mobs in pve
No class will survive rushing in WvWvW alone . i got both of them , when i go with the zerg the deaths count is minimal on any of them. In term of efficiency guardian is supperior in groups , Pve or WvW. Guardian is supperior at solo Pve also , and thief at solo in WvW. consider elementarist also if you like an more interactive game play , it has great survaivability and escape skills , and mesmer for WvW (blink +3 stelath skills )

grandjudge.4129:

Rayya.2591:

today when i open the forums i saw at least 10 diferent topics with tons of replays regarding how OP is the thief, so i decided to equip my guardian to see how i deal with them. I spent 2500 badges and arround 30 gold. Result was – 20.000 HP -3300 armor .
Went in wvw to search for some thieves but 50 enemy’s zerg was in front on my supply camp. in 20 minutes i made 140 kills with an single dead .Stand constantly in front of enemy zerg , Block 3 attacks with focus / use shield buble – knockback 10 enemy’s at once, put wall of reflection and sanctuary on the ground, and smite at random locations was all i did.
So why should i stay on thief and make 1 -2 random kills in 10 minutes ? when i can literaly walk intro 30 + enemy’s zerg, stay there for 10 seconds then walk away

Translation: Please don’t nerf my thief.

you got me
Now we got 2 options
1. you are an troll
2. i was stupid enough to invest 300 + gold in 1 guardian just to make an troll topic
i pick option 1.
screen is enough for you ? i even put random dyes on it to show you ^^ , you make the calculation , it is worth to invest 300 gold in an troll topic ?

well thougness won’t make you invincible. I use scepter +focus / sword +shield
Scepter’s 2 will damage on area where you belive is the thief. Scepter 4 will blind the thief ( aoe blind doesen’t require target) . scepter 5 will absorb 3 attacks. Sword’s 2 will blind the thief ( aoe blind doesen’t require target), Shield 4 will aoe and add protection. Shield’s 5 will knock down the thief. With this weapon combo you can beat down an thief without using any utility . Remember when thief get near you, use the blind. Blind / aegis will block attacks preventing thief to stealth with cloack and dagger , he will be forced to retreat with stealth utility skill .
Hammer is too slow to beat down an thief he can weaken you with cloack and dagger every 3 seconds without taking an single hit from you, When he feel like he can burst you down he will do it. GS 5 and 3 are strong against thief, but he will probably dodge all other’s gs skills.

i use similar build and is awsome for small scale pvp. i play in WvWvW and you should not overestimate critical. Guardian damage also come from retailation and the burst come combined with judge’s intervention / virtue of justice

well not sure what i am looking for , i like clutural T3 light set, i like heavy gladiator set , heavy cultural t3 , heavy arah set, light WvWvW set.
On medium armor i bought i gues almost all sets, but i still cannot find 1 to feet on my taste.
At the moment i use pirate coat, cause i really don’t know wich to use. Duelist coat makes my char look anorexic, and i keep t3 coat /lg in the bank cause i don’t like them that much
If anybody got an good looking coat please post here.

Shield
No other weapon can make 5 kills in WvWvW with 1 button , near a cliff
Mostly sword /shield combination – or scepter shield.
Also because i feel more like an tank with shield equiped

I cannot find any good looking medium armor for my human female
I bought t3 set , duelist set, priory set, but i consider they look poor compared with heawy and light.

had 2 from 2500 boxes , sold both , spent all gold and no more

i would sell you the snowman ^^
and i agree it should not be account bound
i got few festive hats , that only waste spae in my bank

8 /10 , the eyes …

jkctmc.8754:

I love Guardians, they’re free kills for me. Roll a bunker Elementalist if you want to survive my Thief.

i have to admit i got killed yesterday by an thief , i was afk, went to make an coffee
It was you ?

So actualy if they change stealth to break on action (1 *5 ) will solve a lot of complains related to thief, like , escape with heartseeker while stealthed,and i doubt skilled thieves would have an problem with this.

Okamy.8235:

Merry christmas everyone. I hope SFR enjoy PvDoor on christmas. No queue at 11pm on EB, i never saw this.

Relax is only 17:00 In Canada
P.S. Merry X-Mass to everybody

I’ve noticed this 1 month ago, but forgot to ask /post
Why aegis removal don’t break stealth ?
an thief backstab an guardian , Aegis is removed – thief remain stealthed.
Just asking , not demanding to change it, i play both classes

tita.6358:

Chiolas.1326:

I think the real issue here is the threat of the Xmas mobs: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/im-very-tired-of-it/first#post1070284

or players assaulting a door when a wall 10 meters from them has already been down for 20 minutes

there are noobs on all servers.

Gj for lvl up, you should spend some points in those traits

Kerishan.8460:

Tank guardian? Easy…start with shortbow and let him use his heal, so take him at 70% hp and switch to d/d and finish him.

The burst guardian is my damnation (i mean skillfull burst guardian)

No guardian will use his major heal at 70% hp
to take tank down to 70% hp with short bow you will need 2 minutes, unless he is afk
As guardian I use an Sword / shield + scepter /focus – that means i will blink to you every 10 seconds + 1 blind and imobilize you every 15 seconds, If you use Short bow vs me , you will lack stealth so i will control the battle .
What hurt me as an guardian is thief guide +burst.
however an guardian cannot hold an burst thief + another class for more then 10- 20 seconds, he cannot focus the thief cause of stealth, so the thief will be able to do backstabs at his free will