Guild Wars 2

Travlane.5948:

well my point was your english is horrible and my point was correct. steal isnt half as productive as any of the other classes’s “F” mechanics. check and mate. and pvp is all that you do? well congrats. so you can only comment on wvw. and for 2…. whats that like almost 2 kills per minute? thats impossible unless all you do is zerging. im a thief. single targeting killer. i skirmish and 1v1 1v2 1vx bc its fun not bc its productive. point is i could go with trick arrow do minor dmg or daggerstorm just to get bags. i also do pve alot and spvp/tpvp. i havel also played about 6.5 months myslef. so again its not my mistake ur just claiming it is….PROVE that those buffs dont happen? and are we splitting hairs about VOJ? it gives a burn buff……it actually shows up on your bar of buffs as VoJ…..says burn on next attack. either a small or big one depending on activated or passive effect. and all the ones i listed most can be used and used more than once especially with renewed focus. since we are adding in skills now….. lol lets add in renewed focus so we can multiply everything i mentioned by 2….. again. no matter how you look at it. F mechanics on guard and other charactersa are atleast twice as productive/twice better than steal. and even more so no after mug nerf. how about this. lets drop all the TRAIT crap and look at it str8 as it is.

THIEF :
F1 = STEAL: 900 range teleport to enemy & get 1 skill——45 second cooldown.

GUARDIAN
F1 = Passive = Burn foes with every fifth attack x 1 second
F1 = Active = Burn foe for 1 attack x 5 seconds———30 second cooldown
F2 = Passive = Regenerate health (constant heal)
F2 = Active = Heal yourself and nearby allies———60 second cooldown
F3 = Passive = Grant Aegis every 40 seconds
F3 = Active = Grant Aegis to yourself and nearby allies———90 second cooldown

THIEF F’s = 80 max uses per hour.
GUARDS F’s = 120(dmg)/60(heal)/40(block) = 220 max uses per hour.

()=minimum excluding passives.

this is not hard to figure out. if we add in traits itll make it even more so lop sided . fight might u wont win :P

your point would be valid without any traits if :
1. guardians or any other clas in game had initiative , the ability to blast 5 times in row / leap 5 times in row , drop 3/4 smoke/poison fields in row
2.steal would not steal skills :
warrior -area damage -whirl finisher
ranger – area heal -water field
necro -area fear
mesmer – all boons
engineir -ethernal field
thief -stealth

Travlane.5948:

SO…now steal can heal allies…what are u talking about? how is everything i say fairy tales? i just listed what guardian skills (from F1 f2 f3) could do. they are all 100% legit. I play a guardian who is full maxed and well used. I have legendaries with over 20k kills in wvw and full ascended gear…etc etc and so on and so forth. That is why you dont… and wont here anyone here saying the possibilities listed are BS. And yes, I did say guardians “can” do this…. not guardian F skills “all do this” , as if it were generic or a set base for skills.

now allow me to quote you:
1) “read what you write” —-———- write is present tense …you mean “wrote” as in past tense because it had already happened.
2) “Cause everything you say are fairytales” —-———- “Because or ’cause” then “said” not say. and its fairy tales….as in 2 words.
3) “Interested on your build who can buf 25 ally’s …..” —-———— “interested”? who is? we? you? them? they? qualify it plz. and my build is a thing. not a person. so its "..your build “which” or “that” can “buf”(I believe you mean buff here) 25 “ally’s” (here the apostrophe exclaims ownership) hence it should be written “allies”
4)“And thief steal can do water field” ill just do it in one shot here since its all too much to count lol. Proper: Also, a thieve’s steal can produce a water field"
5)“and because of the initiative system thieves can blast 5 times in row to heal 5 ally’s for 35000 hp” proper : "which, through intiative and blast finishers, can heal 5 allies for up to (x amount) of hp.

please, you obviously did not finish English very well or obviously go to college. Do not try tell me several times what i said or what i meant. It is apparent you cannot discern intent through written English well or at all.

PS sorry got off tract there. Steal can 100% NOT heal allies. a skill FROM steal you drop AND combine with cluster bomb AND having nearby allies that are hurt AND none that are not hurt nearby will cause heals. Its so circumstantial that the heal is a very low success rate in a large zerg. usually rarely healing unless only injured players stand close and healthy ones do not. this is because healing is chose randomly and not by necessity! if we can talk like this about steal….guardians aegis causes heals….burns…..and retaliation……again outdoing thieves ….and i can list more "sub-effects that can by caused by f-mechanics but only if traited and only if in the right circumstance or “combining skills” . u cant claim a skill to be good by using a qualifier like “its good when you use skill x before and skill y after and under condition/variable z as a given” srry not how it works.

oh so now that you played an guardian with legendary and you got 20k kills makes you an expert ?
I am sorry , fairytales are fairytales. you are the only guardian that can buff /heal an entire server with f1 button
Ok , VOJ don’t buff ally. An trait related to virtue of justice give buff . on the same way as an stolen skill grant an water field. Still is related to steal ability.
An man would accept his mistake , not change the subject to how many english we study on school
P.S. 20 k kills , i had that in november(

Travlane.5948:

“guardians F skills “CAN” do this:" read before you correct. i listed everything that COULD be done. if you trait properly u can get about 70%-75% or maybe slight more of those running about the same time. i never mentioned heal on roll. and its not poor compared to caltrops bc 2 rolls =3300 hp easily. 3300 hp is better than a dinky area of caltrops on ground givin 2 secs of cripple and 225 dmg….u REALLY think its better? you are not good at math.

point is Guardian mechanics from F can buff/heal about 25 people and hurn/retal on just as many if not more. they can also give about a total of, im guessing, 40 ish boons maybe even more but i dont wanna add it up. and many many heals. now steal gives like 5 things. fury swift might vigor and steals 2 boons and 1 stun if traited right plus dmg from mug. all of this goes to one person (lets say on average 4k dmg which is high but. w.e. ….low end 1200 and high high end 6100 ish) so 5 people get 3 buffs each …owner gets the same 3-4 boons plus steals 2 which he prolly already has so may or may not get more and stuns 1 person. the Burns /retaliation alone outdo the dmg of everythign here easily. that said….u cross it off like a math equation. now all we have left to compare is boons and heals. thief gives out a total of 15……guardian shares about 25 and another 10 or so for himself plus multiple heals and condi removals and stun removal and area blinds. you cant compare teh to to be equal. anyoen will tell you …..the math is there. im doing it rough but still …steal is barely half as good as f mechanics on guardian. u can get about 70% of everythign chosen as a guardian and about the same chosen as a thief. either way it scales the same if ration a =ration bx2 then it goes to say that (Y=.70) and ratio A * Y = (B * Y)2 . niether class can trait for them all but basically a similar ratio of chosen traits = same ration of choosable quantity. dont argue that steal is in any way comparable to any class…we can compare any one of them…… if you do try debate this. you must be of the mindset that you would rather have a character hit 4k dmg hitting 1 person RATHER than a chacter hitting 2k dmg in AOE up to 5 (or heals). since its a team game and not a 1 v 1 game…..doing 10k total dmg from AOE is usually better than doing a 4k shot to one person. 10 people doing the aoe dmg will down/kill more people much faster than the 10 people doing 4k per hit.

Ps the only 2 classes i have mastered are theif/guardian. ive played every other but cant claim to have an intimate knowledge of their workings yet.

read what you write:
here….guardians F skills can do this: : ready now? count these up. all of them including several each bc they affect 5 players or 5-15 enemies.
Huge self full heals(total well more than total HP)
Correct yourself please if you don’t like my correction
then let’s discuss about the 25 ppls buff/heal, cause i am not sure how you do it with your F skill.
Cause everything you say are fairytales
Interested on your build who can buf 25 ally’s and heal 25 ally’s with f1 f2 f3.
And thief steal can do water field (healing seed ), and because of the initiative system thieves can blast 5 times in row to heal 5 ally’s for 35000 hp.
so mathematical thief specific system can heal for more then guardian specific system , but since you claim you master those 2 classes you already know that

Lord Titan.3791:

Simply put, the more skilled you are, the “glassier” you can go. Unless your in a guild that has specific builds rotated around specific cooldowns this is how it is. WvW in most cases of organized guilds hitting unorganized zergs, its all about shock and awe. Initiation is huge in zerg battles and in most cases decides the victor. In other cases Valkyrie/PVT gear is sometimes picked up in organized groups when large amounts of protection uptime are involved. This is because Vitality > Toughness when you have protection up.

this is so wrong
1. No Skilled player would take the risk to be 1 shot
2. make an comparation 100% protection uptime
case a ) 25000 hp 2300 armor
case b ) 15000 hp 3100 armor
player a will take 35% more damage that player B and will have 65 % more hp
Considering that group is organized and area heals are constant (Water/dark fields) that 65% extra hp will help only against initial burst and player A will never be able to stay at full hp. Meantime player B will take 35% less damage on the entire battle ( maybe 5-6 minutes)

Travlane.5948:

Rayya.2591:

Travlane.5948:

for 45 secs.. you should get like 3200 health minimum…any less is just a joke.

steal can be trained also swiftness /furry /might /vigor /stealth (regeneration or remove 1 condition and heal for 700 )
want the trait combo ? is simple -10 /x/ 30/x/20
With new mug you get another 2000 hp + x* healing power and deal damage
everything in 1 single button and 36 seconds cooldown(trained)

raya…ill break it down for u….(and yes i know how it works) since you dont understand anything other than thieves….let me pick….guardians…they only have f1 f2 f3. not even 4 but 3….so ill start here….guardians F skills can do this: : ready now? count these up. all of them including several each bc they affect 5 players or 5-15 enemies.

Multiple large ally heals. (5 total per heal)
Huge self full heals(total well more than total HP)
Remove 3 self conditions.
Self attack cause small burn
5 allies cause small burn (1each for 5 total)
Self Attack cause BIG BURN
5 allies cause BIG BURN (1each for 5 total)
Self Regen (several Stacks from few activations)
5 allies get regen (several ways)
Self activated aegis every 40 secs
Self activated Aegis
5 allies get aegis on activation every 40 secs
5 allies get aegis on activation
Self Retaliation (3x …each virtue)
Self might stacks
Self stability
Self break Stun
Area enemy blinds (5 total)
Each = automatically cooled down on a kill/revival/rally etc
Each Passive is Stronger and Reduced in random activations

if traited correctly. would u like to tell me that steal stacks up to this? if u like me to i can do mesmer….necro….engineer especially…..steal comes up short by far in comparison to everyone. sooo…..unless my math is wrong…..steal is not half as good as guardians f mechanics :P ……is my math ok? :P if u add up all the enemies that get affected…..its like 6-7x better than steal……

break me down honey , but first correct your post
Virtue of resolve * -40 sec
-pasive -84 heal +0.06 * healing power
-active – Healing 1625 +0.75healing power
Traits : -honor 30 points – Battle Presence – Nearby allies gain Virtue of Resolve’s
passive effect.
Virtues -20 points -Absolute Resolution-remove 3 conditions , pasive effect is increased by 25%
Virtue of courage – 90 sec
Pasive : Grants aegis every forty seconds.
Activate: Grant aegis to yourself and nearby allies.
Traits: Valor -15 points -Courageous Return – Virtue of Courage is recharged when you rally.
Virtues -30 points
- Indomitable Courage – Virtue of Courage grants 3 seconds of stability. Virtue of Courage’s passive effect triggers every 30 seconds.
– Shielded Mind – Activating Courage also breaks stuns.

Virtue of justice
- pasive -burn for 1 second every 5’th attack / active -burn for 5 seconds.
traits : -Radiance
Justice is Blind – When activating Virtue of Justice, nearby foes are blinded.
Renewed Justice – Virtue of Justice is renewed when you kill a foe.
Virtues:
Permeating Wrath – Virtue of Justice’s passive effect no longer burns your target, but instead burns the area around you each time it activates.
Supreme Justice – Virtue of Justice causes burning every 4 attacks instead of 5. When activating Virtue of Justice, the burn duration is increased.

*Note Following traits :
Shielded Mind /Indomitable Courage / Absolute Resolution/ Permeating wrath/Supreme justice are located in Master /grandmaster -Virtues so you maximum pick 2 out of 5 !!! *
Since you use 30 trait points in virtues you cannot chose 30 in honor and 15 in valor 15 in radiance.
So dear Travlane.5948- please post your trait combination on an guardian for the skills you mentioned in virtues. As well please consider that thieves got also initiative as clas specific mechanism, but i let you make your own researches regarding this.
As well please do not mention heal on dodge roll /signet of healing since they are not clas specific mechanism and are poor compared with caltrops on dodge hide in shadows

Travlane.5948:

the ONLY thing worth stealing is whirl from warriors. the rest are kinda neat….or kinda tricky…or kinda fun…..i mean the ice stab COULD be usefull but its SOOOO slow and SOOO small range i think i hit like 10% or less of those :P

and the water field from ranger is bad, specialy when you got an shortbow to area heal 5 ally’s for 1400 x5 blastsx 5 targets -you actualy can heal in 3 seconds 35000 hp with 1 steal and 15 initiative
also the area fear from necro is bad /the daze from guardian /all buffs from mesmer… etc

Travlane.5948:

for 45 secs.. you should get like 3200 health minimum…any less is just a joke.

steal can be trained also swiftness /furry /might /vigor /stealth (regeneration or remove 1 condition and heal for 700 )
want the trait combo ? is simple -10 /x/ 30/x/20
With new mug you get another 2000 hp + x* healing power and deal damage
everything in 1 single button and 36 seconds cooldown(trained)

for real you are not forced to pick mug
you can use 30 points in trickery to reduce steal CD

i want vigor on critical
mesmer have
guardian have
elementalist have

phase retreat – decoy -blink -mas invisiblity -phase retreat -bye bye

please detail this , i misunderstood you
you want an mesmer to use sumon clones /dodge – cry of frustration – 9 stacks of confusion to 50 ppls, drop an time warp … haste for 50 ally’s//null field -remove boons from 50 enemy’s
elementalist- use an static field and stun 50 ppls/ staff fire 2/3 hit another 50 targets
then an engineir use the elite and stun another 40 ppls
guardian’s dodge should also heal 50 ppls at once
however an broken gate, closed with 30 supply’s should take no damage from 70 ppls

I started to lvl an mesmer, i will mostly use crafting and story, so i will reach lvl 80 unexperienced.
I have an few question regarding builds, for wvwvw / maybe some pve also
I was considering to use this build :
http://gw2buildcraft.com/calculator/mesmer/?4.0|6.1h.h5|c.1n.h17.f.1g.h1|1n.7r.1b.7r.1h.7r.1b.7r.1h.7r.1n.7r|1b.63.3w.0.2w.0.1b.63.1j.63.8c.63|0.k5a.u5ac.0.k67|2s.d|31.34.39.3d.3q|e
High defence, 13 seconds regen every 30 seconds / constant vigor, 1/2 stun breakers, and 18000 hp
But my question is , i will be able to output some damage with so low power and only 1300 condition damage?
is this build decent for wvwvw mostly for group fights, cause i won’t duel a lot with my mesmer. If not , what could i improve /change ?
Can i stack bleeding /burning/posion on enemy’s with staf or my main damage source is confusion ?
Wich weapon is the best for group fights : Staff /greatsword / x/focus ? and the best aoe damage ?

LetoII.3782:

Look, at this point in the game millions of people have ate their first ballista bolt without screaming hax. It would really be appropriate to field 100 level questions in /map first.

The word we were looking for was condescending.

If I see a thread about “some hacker hit me with a dead cow” expect condescension. As this isn’t the help desk.

Once again, welcome to WvW

Thank you again for the warm welcome.
when i will need your help i will send you an private message, but only after you get your first 1000 kills on wvwvw, if you don’t mind , i cannot take you serious yet, after your first advice.

the wvwvw bonuses should be based on wvwvw monthly achivement:
30 supply camps
20 towers captured
5 keeps captured
200 invaders killed
once you complete your wvwvw achivements you will get bonuses

fragnstein.3486:

Sarcasm is not interchangeable with ironic. Dictionary.com ftw

nobody claimed it is
/ is not =
The slash is most commonly used as the word substitute for “or” which indicates a choice (often mutually-exclusive) is present.
Dictionary.com ftw

LetoII.3782:

You keep using this word.
I do not think it means what you think it means.

LetoII.3782:

Stack toughness and vitality.

you saw the attached scren over 17000 hp -base hp of thief is 10700
you take 4500 from an balista wich mean you got betwen 2600 -2900 defence -thief armor is 1900 in full exotics, without toughness
That result i got 650 vitality / 700-1000 toughness from armor //traits, wich is more that you can obtain from Soldier armor /trinkets without including runes and traits
In fact , i really belive you were sarcastic /ironic, and you know optimal stats for all classes , but now i wonder if is not sarcasm …what is it ?

LetoII.3782:

It’s just a fact.
Don’t bunch up in a ballistas field of fire.
Stack toughness and vitality. Otherwise you’ll spend much of wvw taking dirt naps.
Not knowing this led to my final comment.
/sarcasm

sarcasm is sarcasm, but the sad part is when it comes from unexperienced players.

LetoII.3782:

Don’t stand there.
Oh and defensive stats ftw.
Welcome to WvW!

the skill is aoe. is instant cast, thx for your humble advice
Oh and sarcasm off please, we are not friends

for real ? 20.000 damage to an single target in 1 skill ?
Arrow carts don;’t hit 1 single target 25 times if there is only 1 target in area
work as intended ?

i prefer signets on f2-f3-f4

they are decent
comparation :
mango pie wich can provide you 70 hp /sec = 2100 -30 sec
hide in shadows – 6000 /sec
omnomberry pie /ghost 325 /2 sec – 4875/ sec if you use them at maximum potential

PearlGore.7419:

Lately I have seen alot of these running around that never lead or even speak at all about anything ever and just run around blindly.

Why?

are you on same teamspeak channel with him ?

as an personal sugestion, change some armors to berseker or knight or w/e
in my oppinion the hotspot for tanky thief is betwen 15000-17000 hp ,with 17k hp as maximum. i see no point to have 20.000 hp if you can heal maximum 12-13k in 1 minute. With an 0/30/30/10/0 i can stay in combat against D/D tanky elementalist even 1 hour if fight takes that long since i can heal 350 hp/sec stealthed and like 6500 from Hide in shadows

Morphman.6312:

Came across a very good Thief from Warforgis? [WAR] today on baruch border just outside piken spawn tower

I was pretty upset that you decided to focus fighting the other person instead of me

he is just an average thief, and very imature.
check attached the drama he make if he lose the fight

No Walking.6349:

So, why should I take this elite? I mean as far as I can tell it’s a 1.5 second stun…..that’s it. Why do so many people take this in their builds…seems kind of weak to me for an elite.

you can use runes of lyssa – elite give all bufs and clean all conditions any way 1.5 seconds you can land steal (mug) +backstab+3 auto attacks -over 16k damage

i am happy if i can block an eviscerate/cloack and dagger, or even first 2hits from hundred blades, cause i can dodge the rest
I’ve died several times when my stealth utility’s were on cooldown cause i was blinded and could not use CnD
on thief vs thief .. going stealth blind enemy foes is an huge advantage, cause 1 will CnD more the other.

Travlane.5948:

enige and mesmer have invernerable traits…just like guardiand and warrior…im just saying i think the answer is a lil blind boost. u dont have to rerol everythign. u ahve to change the timing of SOME things . and perhaps take out blind from smoke screen/field. no huge change has to happen. really

yes you do have to change everything, specialy in pvp situations :
you want blind to affect 3 targets for 3 seconds .-that means an naked thief block for 3 seconds dps from 3 warriors that cast bull charge/100B on him
i mean, why i need amor for pvp situations if i can fully denny somebody’s damage for 3 seconds, why i don’t go pure glass cannon ?
kill the rest of the builds.

Travlane.5948:

Rayya.2591:

bad ideea.
blind is spammable
shadow refuge +cluster bombs -area blind
cloacked in shadow -stealth = area blind
signet of shadows -active
blinding powder
black powder

all but SoS are stay still near me while i cast skills to blind you type of skills. and obviously if they revert to gw1 style which is better for theives defense which is non existent pretty much. they would have to tweek a few things. if u are a thief im sure you would like this idea. instead of being a pessimist…(bc it DID work in gw1 and just fine too) make an idea to tweek the skills that might make it OP…… ty

there are too many skills that provide blind at this moment , blind is not thief specific ability : http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Blind
that would mean : re-design 40 ability’s and balance 4 other classes based on this ideea

Zephyric Reaper.3049:

Rayya.2591:

bad ideea.
blind is spammable
shadow refuge +cluster bombs -area blind
cloacked in shadow -stealth = area blind
signet of shadows -active
blinding powder
black powder

The idea was to fix skills so blind is not spammable. Really, this is a dumb reply, even the OP said some changes should be made. Obviously, it wouldn’t be as spammable and probably more efficient. And if you say it’s already efficient for black powder, that’s only if someone (in pvp) is dumb enough to just stand there all the time, which is like not the case, in pve it’s OP unless it’s a champ/boss. So yes, this change would actually make blind more useful so no, I disagree with you saying it’s dumb.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Blind
but for sure , those all skills should be changed. In fact the whole game mechanism should be changed, cause we want to make thief/mesmer , engi pure tanks with 3 seconds in row damage imunity, maybe every 20 seconds.
We also remove distorsion, elixir s /stealth, and other defensive ability’s based on your ideea, and we keep blind. Or we remove blind from guard /mesmer /eng and we make it thief specific skill.
But ok my replay was dumb, you took everything in consideration, before you replayed, and if you don’t i will tell you this : google is your best friend.

bad ideea.
blind is spammable
shadow refuge +cluster bombs -area blind
cloacked in shadow -stealth = area blind
signet of shadows -active
blinding powder
black powder

DanH.5879:

6 ruby orbs= 120 power/84 precision/12%crit damage
much much better, AND cheap

divinity= condition damage…lol ? i definetly don’t need
healing ? …..stil no
vit/toughness ? i get from weapons and other sources

much too expensive those runes, and overall not good !

6 ruby orbs = 120 power – 84 precision/12% critical damage
6 dinivitiy = 60 power -60 precision /12% critical damage
Considering you got over 3000 power without runes -ruby orbs add maximum 2% more damage , 1.25 % critical chance
you lose
- 600 hp (3-5 )
60 defence (2.4-3%)
60 healing power – 3 extra hp /target hit from signet of malice // 100 hp / hide in shadows // 6hp/sec (shadow rejuveration)
60 condition damage -3 damage /bleed tick
Any direct damage build except glas cannon will benefit more from divinity overall

Cottage Pie.6215:

I’ve thought from launch all EU servers are actually in NA anyway, many of us did those ping tests and IP checks on all the connections the game was making, because it was curiously laggy, and they all went to somewhere in Texas iirc.

my latency on Eu server-50-70
my latency on US server 350-410
there are many players who play with high latency on US, or use tunneling program , but , why should i use tunneling when there are EU servers with decent latency

Daecollo edit first post bassed on skill coeficients please, not own p attack
Damage done = (weapon damage) * Power * (skill-specific coefficient) / (target’s Armor)
Current skills coefficient
DAGGER
1-2-4-5 Skills
Double Strike (1-1): 0.2775 x2
Wild Strike (1-2) – Lotus Strike (1-3): 0.847
Autoattack chain: 2.249 – 2s – 1.1245
Stealthed – Backstab (front): 1.202 – 0s – N/D
Stealthed – Backstab (back): 2.405 – 0s – N/D
Heartseeker: 1 (>50%)/1.502 (25%-50%)/2.005 (<25%) – 0.75s – 1.33 (>50%)/2 (25%-50%)/2.67(<25%)
Dancing Dagger: 1.048 (per hit) – 0.5s – 2.096 (per hit)
Cloak & Dagger: 1.624 – 0.5s – 3.248
Dual Skills
Dagger off-hand – Death Blossom: 0.206 x3 – 0.75s – 0.824
Pistol off-hand – Shadow Shot: 1.378 – 0.25s or more (depends on distance of target, close targets almost 0s to hit) – 5.512
PISTOL
1-2-4-5 Skills
Vital Shot: 0.416 – 0.75s – 0.555
Stealthed – Sneak Attack: 0.249 x5 – 1s – 1.245
Body Shot: 0.547 – 1s – 0.547
Headshot: 0.26 – 0s – N/D
Black Powder: 0.285 – 0.75s – 0.38
Dual Skills
Dagger off-hand – Shadow Strike: 0.314 (Dagger strike)/1.251 (Pistol shot) – 0.5s – 3.13
Pistol off-hand – Unload: 0.248 x8 – 2s – 0.992
SWORD
1-2 Skills
Slice (1-1) – Slash (1-2): 0.801
Crippling Strike (1-3): 1.3
Autoattack chain: 2.902 – 2.4s – 1.209
Stealthed – Tactical Strike: 0.748 – 1s – 0.748
Infiltrator’s Strike: 0.748 – 0s+travel time (slightly affected by distance) – N/D
Dual Skills
Dagger off-hand – Flanking Strike: 0.76 (Dagger strike)/1.5 (Sword Strike) – 1.25 – 1.808
Pistol off-hand – Pistol Whip: 0.337 (Pistol shot)/0.372 x8 (Sword strikes) – 2.75s – 1.205
SHORTBOW
1-2-3-4-5 Skills
Trick Shot: 0.523 – 0.8s – 0.65375
Stealthed – Surprise Shot: 0.571 – 0.8s – 0.71375
Cluster Bomb: 1.385 – 0.5s+travel time – N/D
Cluster Bomb – Detonate: 0.475 each fragment
Disabling Shot: 0.523 – 0.5s – 1.046
Choking Gas: 0 – 0.5s+travel time (much less travel time than Cluster bomb) – N/D
Infiltrator Arrow: 0 – 0s+travel time (less than Cluster Bomb or Chocking Gas) – N/D

No flame,no game
If somebody /dance /laugh on your body, you will do your best to kill him next time to take your revenge.

as an short answer to you
ranger got supperior damage to thief on range
warrior got supperior damage to thief on range
thief got the awsome cluster bombs – an aoe blast finisher, but is an slow projectile, that take 2-3 seconds to reach at 900 range
pistol /pistol got decent burst damage, cool animation, but the weapon set do not provide mobility/stelath /aoe to thief .
in duels -1 vs 1 – 1 vs 2/3 you spend 95-99% of the time in melle.
On farming you can do it 100% ranged0 as thief

the true life of an pve thief
lvl 20 thief doing lvl 38 fractal … no death in hardest fractal. (1)
Duo thieves CM path 1, it was first time i went CM, i just watch 1 youtube video before, to see the path ( 2 )
still farming better with my thief then with warrior on penitent /shelter /grenth and no i am not even an pve thief, i only do pve when i want to gamble in mystic forge (3)

here is mine , got bored of t3 set so i changed to something more simple and less common

i belive your build will fail against
D/D – Elementailists : – you lack hp regeneration and your burst is 6000 damage every 4 seconds-they can heal that
1.bunker guardians/ cond bunker engineirs – same reason
2.condition mesmers – your stealth (condition clean ) is black powder + heartseekers 3.that already hurt at 10+ stacks of confusion -specialy since you don’t have hp regeneration.
you should also consider alternative weapon with bloodlust/perception
you cannot sustain any battle that last more then 3 minutes, since you got no regeneration- and you cannot burst any tanky build , since your damage comes only from backstab – in best situations 1 every 5 seconds.

BlackDevil.9268:

Thanks to everyone of [Scnd] and everyone else who participated with the duels in BB borderlands. Had a lot fun!

Good job , i enjoyed the fight against you

i am sorry, but i doubt any high-end EU guild could find an challenge in US

Mike.7320:

Doubtful any of you remember the OG guild. Im looking for a guild that can compare to OG in skill. Not looking for a zerg guild, im looking for a guild whos 5man can fight 20 people.

If any guild on any server is as skilled as OG once was please get ahold of me.

Wait, you say you need skill to coordonate 5 ppls ?
or you can take coordinated group of 20 ppls with 5 ppls ?

Glenn.3417:

Get rid of this kittening 5-man aoe limit system and reduce overall skill dmg.

Effective and easy solution for these stupid and boring blobs.

ye imagine fear afecting 80 players at once/ hammer stun 30 ppls at once
30 elementalists spamming aoe at lord room hills – you can enter only when they go afk , even if you reduce damage with 70% … and you hit 25 targets with same skill

i don’t belive you need 15 points in trickery… maximum initiative since you want constant damage for farm not burst
as well… your critical looks poor, and you got dagger damage trait , wich you use only on 1 weapon set out of 3

i will show you the diference betwen selfbuffed and unbuffed thief OP
I got an tanky settup so numbers don’t go verry high.. an glas cannon can have 300 more base p attack -10 more critical power -20 more critical rate
i also miss 25 stacks of accuracy /bloodlust and furry buff (i can take it from critical strikes when target reach 50% hp
Unbuffed : 2850 P attack – 99 critical power -38 critical rate
Buffed : 3560 p attack -109 critical power -50 critical rate
(25*bloodlust +furry selfbuff) could go to 3800 p attack -109 CP -70% critical rate ( you got those stats for 5 seconds but is enough to kill anybody in few hits
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gf5szHCT5w&feature=youtu.be

there is nothing wrong with servers.
WvWvW rank is decided by wich guilds play on x or y server.
an merge betwen 2 servers, will not add 100% more manpower in wvwvw, probably even less

Cottage Pie.6215:

Grok.6714:

Funny how Deso is suddenly complaining about VS , but they were acting like kings of WvW last week.

You miss a strong SFR now, don’t you?

Your sig states that you are ‘forum warrior academy’, joke or not, your post is clear trollbait, nowhere is or has ‘deso’ (strawmanning an entire server into a singular poster, gb2troll school) posted “acting like kings”. Infact many posts saying how a strong SFR was vital to T1 EU, just read back, some will be from me.

Just debunking your post, nothing personal.

6:00 AM

and i still got over 30 ascended rings after i cleaned inventory once
for real there are 5 months since november.
1 fractal /week you could had enough rings for 3 toons
amulets is daily /monthly – 20 days for 1 amulet
earings – few guild events
If i can farm over 300 badges /day and i need 20 days to farm 1 amulet with daily system , would you pay 5000 badges for it ?

i farm good with my thief
usualy fights go 20-60 ppls on each side
example -today – i joined guild raid at 10:30 PM … at 1.30 AM i had over 600 kills , 65 heavy lot bags, 4.5 gold from trash loot, and 1 rare only as loot.
I usualy run in same line with warriors /guardians when zergs colide, then i retreat and finish /aoe downed.

http://gw2buildcraft.com/calculator/thief/?7.0|8.1g.h4.a.1o.h17|5.1o.h2|1g.a1.1g.a1.1p.a1.1g.a1.1g.a1.1g.a1|1n.61.1n.61.1n.61.1n.61.1n.61.8c.61|a3.p62.p54.a2.0|39.7|57.5e.5b.5q.5v|e
Fixed it for you.
3000 more hp, same defence , 32 % more critical damage.
Before you engage use shadow refuge to gain might, use assasin signet and you start with extra 525 p attack, at 25 stacks of bloodlust you start with nearly 4000 p attack

i got over 500 h on guardian and over 1000 on thief, so i can tell you :
thief got better condition removal, without sacrificing any utility slot -sword main hand / stealth condition removal
you can train for regeneration on stealth
however you cannot spam skills like on guardian, you must prepare your combo, most of the times you can use 3 skills in row before you run out of initiative.
autoattck does not adavantage you in wvwvw /spvp against heavy armors you cannot trade blow for blow
On pve shortbow is your best friend
only weapons that got aoe on autoattack are sword/shortbow,
you can also train for blind on stealth, wich might increase your survaivability with offhand dagger or dagger /pistol