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they can use waypoint for 5 seconds every 3 minutes, betwen events , even if is perma contested

maybe they used portal from spawn to come inside garison
It is posible

Cirax.9231:

Suggesting minimun 2600 armor kills light/medium armor builds since they have to heavily invest in toughness gear and tougness trait tree. An elementalist has base 1800 armor at 80 in full exotics. To get to 2600, gear and trinkets have to have toughness, as well as 30 points into earth magic trait line!

I took the base reference 2600 , since is the reference for skill coeficient calculations
On my build i managed to keep 2600 armor ( medium armor ) 16000 +hp and 114 critical damage , only with an lose on Power

2 banner warriors ( hammer //rifle )
4 shout warriors ( hammer // sword /axe)
4 guardians (fully support all )
2 necros
2 thieves (Shortbow)
2 eng (grenades /bombs)
3 elementalists ( 2 staf / 1 CC)
1 mesmer
no rangers, too much skills fully block projectiles:)

Critical Chance and Precision is found by the following formula:

Critical Chance = round down((precision – 822) / 21)

let’s say you use P/T/V chest /legs / helment
this add you : 45 power + 32 thoug + 32 vit // 101 power + 72 thoug 72 vit // 67 pow 48 thoug +48 vit.
Total : 213 power // 152 thoug // 152 vit
with this 3 pieces knight – + 60 armor // -60 power
-152 vitality + 152 precision
152 precision is arround 7.4 % critical rate

i would trade some PTV armors for knight.
you will lose few p attack and gain some armor.
And you can trade 200 vitaility (2000 hp ) for 200 precision ( 9-10% critical chance )

RedSpectrum.1975:

See what the true question should be, is how to counter a thief, as a thief. Two stealth thieves makes for a very on edge and nail biting fight

backstab /lotus strike /double strike /wild strike icon , changes when you hit enemy , even stealthed ( add to this devourer vennom /panic strike-trait ) when you see the first auto attack icon changes use cloack and dager and backstab. and you kill the enemy thief stealthed.

Sebrent.3625:

Decked.8274:

Burst:
– Thoughness
– Stun-breaker

Permastealth:
– Block
– Blind
– AoE
– CC

Now stop complaining about it.
Realy, I’m tired of seeing people who don’t know the class complaining in the foruns and asking for nerfs.

Everyone has a stunbreaker and can be built with toughness so let’s look at the other list.

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Ranger:

• Block – only on greatsword and it lasts 3 seconds while thief stealth lasts 4 seconds.
• Blind – only from pets (or sun spirit, lol), culling makes this difficult, and a thief can drop blind by auto-attacking air … which doesn’t break stealth
• AOE – traps, torch #5, and longbow #5. Could factor in melee attacks from sword/greatsword I guess.
• CC – Here we go … Ranger has a lot from both pets and weapons as well as 2 traps for this.

Summary:
You can see why the most common advice for Ranger vs Thief is “use traps”.

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Mesmer:

• Block – Distortion (shatter and blurred frenzy), Scepter #2, OH Sword #4
• Blind – Scepter #2 (2nd activation), Glamours (traited), Torch #4, Chaos Armor (random)
• AoE – Shatters (not great vs stealth), Chaos Storm, Greatsword #3 … others aren’t great vs a stealth opponent and even the above aren’t wonderful … could include sword attacks
• CC – Daze (shatter), Daze OH Sword #4 (2nd activation), Pistol #5, Greatsword #5, Sword #3, etc. Plenty here.

Obvious why you don’t see Mesmers complain as much about Thieves as Rangers.

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Those are the two I mainly play right now, so I’ll stop there and let others, if they want, do it for other classes.

I would like to add that Mesmer and Ranger suffer from an annoyance when fighting a stealthing Thief in that both class’s mechanic (Mesmer Illusions and Ranger pets) provide trivially easy targets for Thieves to land Cloak & Dagger on for stealth. It’s an example of where two classes are penalized by their mechanic with fighting against Thief with OH Dagger.

Actualy regarding mesmers , i usualy own Sword /… mesmer, with my thief, but 1 week ago i made an duel vs condition mesmer (with staff ) . His attacks bounced me in stealth and the conditions did not allowed me to trade backstab for 3 seconds revealed. At first backstab i lost 10k hp , and i was forced to retreat on range, where i lost the duel.

true but
if 13k hp and 3000 armor lose 80% of hp against initial burst, use heal skill for 6000 hp he can fight back with 80% of his HP
if 20k hp and 2000 armor lose 80% of hp against initial burst, use heal skill for 6000 hp he will be at 40% hp , he cannot fight back.
So personaly i sugest at least 2600 armor in wvwvw , before stack vitality

Razeor.6271:

Decked.8274:

Burst:
– Thoughness

You mean vit.

no point to have 20k hp and 2000 armor against direct damage
is better 13 k hp and 3000 armor. it increase your EHP a lot

yagerau.6438:

At first, I thought it would be perma-stealth thief zergs roaming the map at 50% move speed stealthed and dropping tons of poison arrows, knockdown traps, and caltrops on the other zergs (which as you may know do no damage directly so they can stay in stealth forever.)

But I realized the new fad today: Necros. I know, what the heck right? But hear me out.
Necro+6(or more pets) running minion builds.
Your 100 man zerg just became 700 man zerg. Any time you ran close to an enemy zerg they would just lag nonstop. Plus all those AOES and stuff they won’t get to try because they are too lagged anyway? limit of 5 players per aoe so you’ve got a good chance of no players even getting hit.

Hahha perma stealth thief zerg countered by 1 hammer warrior party.
necro minions countered by staf elementarists.

i use an 0/30/30/10/0 , it works decent for fractals is not the best.
The best utility’s i found for fractals are :
blinding powder ( good panic buton, 1 aoe stealth /blind / heal )
shadow refuge ( better area heal , dark field -lifesteal from projectiles /whirl)
smoke screen ( absorb projectiles , smoke field -blindness with projectiles)
shadow step ( i only use it for jade maw fractal , is good to pick crystals and return safe, or break stun to dodge jade’s attack)
Good Traits : Shadow protector , shadow embrace , vigorous recovery, critical haste, executioner.
Bad common traits :
fleet shadow -very situational
furious retailation – 10 sec furry for 2-5 minutes champion is poor
infusion of shadows and patience – you won’t spam C&D, and you can provide more suport to your team with other traits

i will point here few AOE regenerations from thief
Shadow refuge – 4 seconds `~ 1700 heal
Shadow protector (Trait) 5 seconds regeneration for ally’s every times you stealth them
you can stealth them every 48 seconds with shadow refuge and every 32 seconds with blinding powder
ShortboW – cluster bomb – initiative cost -3 – blast finisher
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Water_field – you can AOE heal your ally’s for 1400 5- 6 times in row, without any cooldown
with combo field smoke (black powder -thief pistol ) and Shadow protector (Trait) +blast finisher (thief shortbow) you can stealth your ally’s few times , they get regeneration each time.

Stooperdale.3560:

Key game content can also be designed that is bad for thieves. Anything more demanding than the fractal jellyfish could show thieves to be very weak underwater. In fact, underwater thieving is not where it should be.

that is true. thieves utility’s are very limited underwater . you can not use traps /deceptions.
All we got is harpon burst , wich might not be good for all builds

To be honest i am happy with shortbow atm.
It has the best blast finisher ingame. If you combo cluster with water /fire /smoke fields ,might even look grossly overpowered. (area heal /area might/area stealth)

XZERO.3014:

for venoms i think a minor passive buff would be great.

An example: Basilisk Venom: Passive: Every 10 attacks you stun a foe for 1 second
Active: Instantly Stun for for 1.5 seconds
Ice Drake Venom: Passive: Every 10 attacks you recover from a condition
Active: Chilled for 1 second.

I think making them more like signets would give venoms more use, but plz idrc what you do with the venoms, just make them more practical, it feels like every thief build has to be a cookie cutter, and im a player who likes diversity, and feeling awesome with my unique builds.

your example is not good
Unload spam – number of attacks 8 – cast time 1.75 sec
3 x unload = 5.25 /2 (haste) 2.63 sec ( 2 times bas trigger ) roll for initiative spam 2 more unloads (2 sec stunned) , switch to D/D , use basilik (instant) 1.5 sec more stun, even the strongest bunker is dead

bettadenu.5483:

I’m a Thief and agree it is not balanced however if burst is toned down then something else needs to be buffed because that’s our main survival, to dps or to die.

you can fix that from your traits and armors, if you decide to go for full glas cannon you can output high dps. If you go for tanky build you will backstab for 4 k and survive other’s bursts

yes it is normal , since you can mentain regeneration almost non stop
you got heals /boons / on weapon skills
you got 2 invulnerability skills /1 teleport
your spells have area of effect target, so you don’t have to target the thief to chill /burn /cripple /knock him down/dps him
But you have might chosen wrong clas OP, elementalist is not easy to play , you must time /combo your skills
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jdJRcxtDYU

I’ve noticed that shortbow is good counter since you can avoid sneak attack with your 3 and harras them by dropping clusters in front of you.
However on my tanky build 0/30/30/10/0, i lack the burst to finish them . Had few attempts with thieves guide +shortbow imobilize 2 heartseekers then steal +backstab, but with this combo i take only the mediocre ones. Against good ones it usualy ends as a draw after 15-20 minutes, since they cannot kill me neither.
Sword is good counter against P/D since infiltration strike allow you to perma harras and constant condition removal
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vespers.1759:

Rayya.2591:

vespers.1759:

lol @ glass canon thief. nobody doesn’t play a glass canon thief. that invis is way way better than any armor.

Yes invisibility would save you when 2 zergs of 50 players collide.
Nobody will hit you, because you are invisible, and you are imune at aoe.
Specialy with 1900 armor /12000 hp (glass cannon thief)

people don’t usually drop AoE on themselves or behind their zerg. and i think there’s enough videos out there of thiefs running amok in zergs to know it can be done… easily.

L2P your faceroll class.

I doubt is an l2p `` issue to facetank an 50 ppls zerg with an thief
but maybe you are the legendary thief with 30 /30/30/30/30 , and in that case i would honored to learn from you how you initiate the 50 vs 50 fight with an glas cannon thief. How you stay in combat and lead the combat for the players you are leading .
Cause once commander stealth and fall back whole zerg will fall apart.
You must lead the zerg , push , flank . But what do i know i am not the glas cannon thief commnder, you know it… have fun

vespers.1759:

lol @ glass canon thief. nobody doesn’t play a glass canon thief. that invis is way way better than any armor.

Yes invisibility would save you when 2 zergs of 50 players collide.
Nobody will hit you, because you are invisible, and you are imune at aoe.
Specialy with 1900 armor /12000 hp (glass cannon thief)

if commander push, i follow
if commander say push and he stay back ,i go behind him
I don’t follow only warriors / guardians commanders

Sifu.6527:

danbuter.2314:

I like the pistol/pistol thief from the rp and animations aspect, but it seems that it won’t hold up compared to other builds. Is there a recommended build for p/p?

Are there certain skills that really help it out?
thanks

P/P is awesome in duels.

It beats P/D, S/D, S/P, SB, D/D, etc you name it.

But WvW isn’t about duel and you really need a weapon set that allows you to be flexible. P/P isn’t that.

I really doubt that, unload chain is countered by , flanking strike death blosson
and by an simple smoke screen.

if you run most of the times with your guild i suggest guardian
thief is more for solo players
the utility you provide is poor compared to other classes , and in high lvl sPvP or wvwvw you might not be able to finish the oponent you get downed.
As well 8 k damage every few seconds in mas pvp will be poor compared to constant 1000 – 4000x 5 targets

Pistol /Pistol is only good vs champions without minions in PvE
in PVP can be countered to easy
in Pve ,in general aoe is supperior

Wanderer.3248:

Removing downed state would favour glass cannon builds with burst damage. There is already too much burst damage in the game.

100% agree
i do not play first person shot game i play MMO

Ironvos.9014:

Offcourse some problems could be solved by just giving the thief normal cooldown skills like every other class instead of current initiative system.

Of course but then thieves should had another clas specific system
-we could add them pets – like rangers
-we could add them 20 skills like elementarists (with heals and condition clean and boons from skills)
Maybe something similar with virtues
-or clones on dodge and steal detonate all clones causing lool damage
-what about we change initiative on adrenaline style , and add cooldowns ( restroe hp based on how much initiative you have, add 12% flat damage, add 9% critical chance)

But of course that would make thief overpowered, and in current state is balanced.
On sPvP forums thieves were voted on position 4 or 5 ? below elementarists , mesmers , guardians , rangers

unload has pro’s and cons
1 of the big CON is retaliation :
you basicly do 8 shots in less then 2 seconds : if your target got retailation (guardians /eng /mesm) you will take back 8 × 370-420 = arround 3000 damage /unload chain
meantime shortbow got more damage /hit so retailation efect will be low

Retailation -Damage dealt depends on the level and power of the retaliation’s source. At level 80 this is: 198.45 + (0.075 * Power)

agree
specialy when you do an group event in Pve and an warrior place banner
you unavoidable pick banner when spam F for the loot
same happen in wvwvw when ppls constant pres F in zerg vs zerg

and you did not took in consideration a lot of builds.
Since you did not played an thief i understand it
For example: Dagger / pistol thief use combo field smoke combined with LEAP to stealth – you would not nerf this build – you would delete it from the game
thieves would be forced to use utility skills " shadow step" to counter weapon skills of other classes
Thieves are made to be most mobile clas in game. They got burst they got mobility.
Same way like mesmers got burst and clones +utility and guardians got defence +healing +utility … that’s 1 of the thieves specific .

Ironvos.9014:

In the case of heartseeker spam.
Why not just make the skill only usable on a target (afterall, mid air doesn’t have a heart to aim at).
And when target is out of range, your skill fails, no leap and you loose your 3 initiative.
Thieves would actually have to check their range then if they don’t want to burn ini for nothing. And getting yourself out of range fast enough would seriously screw up a HS spammer for that reason as hed be left with no ini.

is an leap http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Leap not an teleport
all those skills should fail if they don’t hit the target ?
what you ask is like , mesmer should not spawn clone on dodge unless they avoid an hit
blurred frenzy should not make you invulnerable unless you hit your target?

thieves are newb friendly , cause random wvwwv pvps where , even if they got poor play style they can do 1 hit and get credit for kill , and escape with stealth.
However when you find 1-2-3 newbie theives you will have no problem to counter them with classic bull charge /frenzy/100 blades , or spawn 2 clones dodge roll for 3’rd and burst.
Since the most complains regarding thieves comes from wvwvw, i will tell you what happens over there. 2-3 thieves (full glas 12k hp / 1900 defence) hide and zerg 1 poor guy. If there are 2 roamers warriors /guardians /elementarists , thieves go back on the conner .

Laika.8795:

You wouldn’t play D/x because you can’t heart seeker to your target without consequence?

Guess we have our answer as to why you’re fighting me on this.

the answer is :
I woudn’t play thief without dagger
I started game when i saw thief promo movie , It had dual dagger
i made an thief ingame to play with dagger
I call the thief clas -dagger
For me thief = dagger, and i am not the only 1
*Edit * why would they change the heartseeker . To make happy few players that will find another subject to complain about in next 3 days and make unhappy 90% of thieves population ?
I got no reason to argue with you, cause A-net takes in consideration those
“hypothetical situations” when they balance an clas.

they have no need for it, cause heartseeker is an – 450 – range leap with 3 initiative cost.
if they did had too , they would become not viable (far from popular)
Guardians do not have more mobility , they have ability to chase. They also have vigor on critical , wich makes them able to dodge as much as thieves( just for your information, since it looks like, you do not know very much regarding other classes)
I am sorry yes, i forgot elites . an thief who will pull your enemy, if he is in under attack by you, after 1 second cast time .
Or an basilik wich will stun your target when you hit him. 1 second cast time for 1.5 seconds stun,
Against warrior elite 30 seconds swiftness (reuse 48 )

let me check guardian, they are slow aren’t they ?

Flashing blade -teleport to enemy 600 range
leap of faith -leap to your enemy 600 range
judge’s intervention -teleport to your enemy 1200 range
bane signet -knockdown your target -1200 range /2 seconds
sanctuary – form an protective shelter -900 range enemy’s cannot enter – they got knocked back when they try to pas intro it (1/4 seconds cast time)
p.s. I doubt you have seen lot of thieves going on direct damage build – stealth trained for 1200 range and 2 stun breakers ( infiltrator signet and shadowstep)
*Edit * my argument is for the lvl i aim to play at . if you are happy to kill ppls with green arrow near name, is your perosnal choice.
If an player is going to leave an pvp just cause enemy rushed in the other direction he is not looking to improve himself only to complain regarding other’s ability’s.

Laika.8795:

So in this hypothetical situation where you are fighting an extraordinarily cowardly warrior which is just absolutely a work of fiction, first of all, you may have blown a lot of CDs, but so did he. You can certainly stealth, via heal or utility. This is where you should be getting your dps from anyway, HS is just a means to an end.

Smart = Coward only in your opinion
Mobile strikes ( savage leap , whirlwind , bull charge, rush ) break imobilize
ask yourself how many warriors use that in wvw , and the answer will be over 70%
What you do call "hypothetical situation " other consider "tactical advantage "

Laika.8795:

You make it seem like you are owed the ability to catch him with one weapon set when he used two. Have a sword in your second slot, bam, 600 range and immobilize. If he backtracks, shadow return.

i Did not took in consideration only 1 weapon set when i pointed you the calculation.
regarding imobilize " check mobile strikes"
regarding weapon swap in combat mode " check " fast hands" same trait line with mobile strikes

Laika.8795:

This is pathetic thief mentality, assuming that everything should be accomplished in one weapon set. Furthermore, and most importantly, ask yourself… In that scenario, what would anyone else do?? Why should you, as a thief, have exclusive rights to catch someone with that mobility and have plenty of means to put up a fight when over half the classes in the game would have have to give up pursuit after the first Rush?
Christ…

you can post the calculation for 2 weapon sets.But of course the result be even worse.
Cause i got poor acces to stability , protection , knockbacks , knockdowns , and other forms of CC ,Cause i got poor acces to aoe, low armor and base hp.
And cause all those compensate with thieves mobility and stealth ability’s.

And wich are the classes who would gave up.
Maybe you need to study other classes gap closers as well .

1,you can easy cover food buff and repair costs with the current drop rate
2. mobs are good for daily

Laika.8795:

Rayya.2591:

if you got heartseeker range reduced to 300 , and init increased to 4 you will be able to jump 900 range with weapon skill
warrior can jump 1200 +450 with greatsword + 600 with sword
elem can already kite an thief when ever they feel like

Infiltrator signet= 900, Shadow Step= 1200, Steal= 900 (1200 traited)

Again, you feel entitled to a massive gap closer because utility is utility and steal should only be used for damage.

You can chase down ANYONE with those skills, and 300 afterwards is plenty enough.

Stop acting like spoiled brats. Ele’s RTL got nerfed, rush is on 20 second CD. Hey, you have other weapon sets too, why not switch? Oh, because you won’t hurt them enough when you catch them.

The choice should be yours. These utilities aren’t optimal for your build? Don’t take them, but struggle to catch the two classes with better mobility than you. If you want to be on top, learn to make sacrifices.

ok since you are smart , let’s make real calculation
warrior :
whirlwind 450 , rush 1200
you use infiltration signet 1200 and 2 heartseekers ( 8 initiative)
warrior use kick , and bullchrge in another direction
you recover with shadowstep and use steal
warrior does whirlwind wich is already reused
you do 2 heartseeker and you are toe to toe with 0 initiative vs an warrior (with no utility available )
1.Good fight , eat the burst you desirve it.
2. fight back with 0 initiative
3. try to run ( ops you burned up all your utility skills)
4. He ignore you and do savage leap . OPS

CONS :
-Poor condition removal
you cannot counter an P/D thief or an necro with condition removal once at 40 seconds
- Lack of CC
except your sword burst skill , you mis CC
-low mobility
one gap closer and no ranged weapon
I belive your build is good in zerg vs zerg but vs roamers you got low chance with this build

Laika.8795:

Aberrant.6749:

HS is fine and balanced. It’s been nerfed enough in the past and is where it should be ini/damage wise. On top of that, there are PLENTY of counters to some one HS spamming. Cripple/chill/blowout/teleports/stealth/protection/immobilize/evade can all be used to stop a HS spammer. Pretty much the only thing a player can’t do is sit there like grazing cattle.

It is not balanced. It does way too much, and costs way too little. And it’s not all regarding spammers. Getting nailed with 1000’s of damage in a mug>cnd>bs combo and then having to contend with someone’s massive leap that will hit for another couple thousand is cheap.

It incentivizes poor gameplay, and people like you not willing to accept culpability are bringing the crybabies calling for a nerf that will essentially ruin everyone but you.

Heart seeker is a stupid skill. It needs toned down, not in damage but in breadth. Any thief worth his salt doesn’t need a 450 range leap to catch his target.

Fixes that will stop QQ:
Heart seeker original damage ratios restored, range reduced to 300 and cost increased to 4 initiative.

Choking gas has a very small AoE damage component, so it cannot be spammed mid-zerg in stealth.

Caltrops break stealth on deployment.

Sneak attack requires positioning from rear to trigger bleeds, in line with every other stealth attack. (Face it, nothing sneaky about your opponent firing shots right in front of you. Perhaps a cripple on frontal would be more appropriate.)

Revealed on de stealth, no matter what.

if you got heartseeker range reduced to 300 , and init increased to 4 you will be able to jump 900 range with weapon skill
warrior can jump 1200 +450 with greatsword + 600 with sword
elem can already kite an thief when ever they feel like

for start i want you to post your 150k wvwvw kills, cause i know a lot of warriors /guardians with that ammount.
I would also want to know how your stealth break zergs

Best regards,

Shortbow from range imobilize , i even burn my refuge to imobilize and haras , he will switch to water to clean. When he switch back to fire i use hide in shadows /backstab -2 -3 heartseekers then steal +CnD
If he is not an bunker he will die, If he is bunker he cannot harm me to much untill i have utility’s reused and will become endless 1 vs 1
*Edit *
if i feel i lose the pvp i keep C&D on him every 4 seconds untill i balance the fight

Karolis.4261:

Rayya.2591:

i recorded for you an movie how i do it . I was tiered 5 AM , and i had 0 accuracy stacks from sigil , made few mistakes but still took only 1 minute.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjVSD-4i2oU

I know that im a bad person and stuff, but … mouse clicking utilities ? seriously ?

i understand what you try to say : that i am unskilled. Thank you for your humble oppinion

Wolbryne.4037:

thanks for a fun reset night sfr. I had a blast on your bl

you had for sure, i got carpeted myself 6 times ,still in profit with some badges and 5-6 gold :P
However when skill lag was gone we won .
I give you the credit for your win, but you must admit that the side with more " 1" heavy armors won.

steal +initiative = thief specific
1 free shadowstep every 45 seconds
an extra stollen skill : stealth /boons /condition /DPS
can be trained to :
add vigor /might /furry /swiftness
deal damage
make yourself invisible
restroe initiative
daze
I belive is fair

I’ve tested yesterday an P/P glas cannon build in sPvP
Is an build without condition removal except hide in shadows and 1 stun breaker.
Against an Engi i lost half hp from retailation.
It is an reason why we have few viable builds already.
D/D -glas cannon // P/D condition ( 0 acces to aoe ) // S /d direct damage build // D/P direct damage build.
So if thieves are unable to burst down target fast, they must have acces to some form of survaivability.
Now everybody runs with an stun breaker // cond removal // decent armor in wvwvw, so most of thieves are forced to build arround Shadow arts.

What nerf ?
can you detail

Veldan.4637:

I agree about stealth and stability:

I like to play warrior with at least one mace, and noticed that a lot of times my stuns are doing nothing cause of stability. So one day I decided “I’m going to counter it and take boon removal!!” . Then I looked through all warrior skills and… there was none. Traits maybe? Nope, also none.

While in GW1 I could grab a 2nd proffession and take removal from another class, in GW2 my only option really is rerolling. Yes there is a sigil , but the effect of it is random. I want to remove boon when the enemy has stability, not at random moments.

About stealth: dunno how we could counter this at all, there is a reason that other games only allow out of combat stealth…

So you want to have an build without an couter :
I found that thief " i pres 1 -2-3 and he is stunned at half hp
i found that greatsword warrior, he saw my mace, he use 1 utility slot for stability but i pres 3 4 5 and i want him stunned and half hp.

P.S. Bola works on stability (is an condition)

TheBlackLeech.9360:

Unfortunately, I’m forced to agree with the OP.

Stealth is just a little too overpowered.

Scenario:
You know there is a thief approaching…. he thinks you did not see him enter stealth and begin advancing toward your location… but you saw it all right.

You begin to prepare for the duel…

You can’t hit him with projectiles while he is approaching…. but you might be able to tag him with some melee once he is in range…

…but how do you know when he is close enough?

You begin channeling your block skill…. but nothing strikes you before it is over.

You swing your weapon, and it seems as if you’ve hit nothing.

You swing it again, and still… your adversary remains cloaked.

Did you hit him? Is he even here yet?

You dodge roll just to be safe…. he has got to be here somewhere by now.

BAM

You are immobilized. You finally see the thief, but you are completely helpless as he takes large chunk out of your health bar.

Knowing that the assault will not stop, and your death will be quick otherwise, you use your stun-break skill to break free and actually move from defensive to offensive for a split second.

Your opponent is fragile. Just a hit or two has already taken a significant portion of his health away.

You use your heal skill.

You’ve got what appears to be the upper hand for a moment, but your offensive doesn’t last for very long because the thief has once again stealthed himself.

You look at your health bar… and it is pretty low. One or two more hits from the thief will surely be the end of you.

This time, you flail around like mad mashing your attack skills that will actually function against a stealthed opponent You dodge roll. You dodge roll again. You continue to attack the air.

The thief comes unstealthed…. in downed-state. You did it!

But it was just a stroke of luck.

You were just swinging around your weapon and dodge rolling around blindly.

There will be other times when you will not be so lucky.

Actualy you can counter it with melle weapons , channeling skills
When your attack with melle weapons is succeseful ,your auto attack chain skill will change. Watch this video , full hp stealthed thief dead in few sec
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDI31E1-wSM&feature=player_embedded

Zaowi.7098:

Kaz reformed into BuLL, we dont need glory hunters on our server, Srf is strong now just wait for it to turn into another Blacktide. They cant even beat Vizunah with the influx of people they got, Shocking.

o.O