Guild Wars 2

Coulter.2315:

The pyramid you describe only works as a model if everyone is involved together in some way, the Skyhammer farm is a completely seperate thing no farmer there who is exploiting will have any input into the larger pvp scene. The skyhammer farm isnt pvp so including farmers in the “pvp community” when you say things like this is a lie.

Skyhammer farm is NOT a “mass mode” or bottom of the pryramid game mode its a seperate exploitable thing which just so happens to devalue even the casual pvpers experience.

Skyhammer farm exist only because of insane grind requirements for any decent rewards. Try to play as casual player, start from scratch, play 3-7 games per day and 1-3 soloQ per weekend (all with ~100-150 rank points per game, because you are casual and don’t know game very well). And see how long you will be going for any good reward. Year? Two? Three? Maybe more?
After few month of such “exciting” experience, any casual gamer will ask himself “wtf i’m doing here?” and give up.

Poxxia.1547:

Hmmm … I don’t like Skyhammer farming at all. Atm I do a fair amount of hotjoins and PvE; not because I like it, but if I am to play the game, I prefer to do it frustration-free. I don’t expect much of hotjoins and PvE (I am getting my mesmer to lvl 80 … about time), but if I play TPvP I DO expect people to know what is happening, being constructive … and I don’t expect to play vs exclusive Necro’s and Hammer/LB-warriors due to the current meta.

TPvP (as can hotjoins) can be an awesome experience, and most likely the best part of the game. But as many other places, the experience is what we make it. And this is perhaps where I think the game fails the most; the casuals don’t make the most of it. They/we should, but we most likely care too little about other people to take any serious steps in that direction.

Helping people to focus on how the game is played is not a punishment. Removing glory from hotjoins, only gain points from holding bases and perhaps give some little glory to only the winning team are steps that could improve the gameplay.

The current situation? Remove all ranks; reset it. Or reverse it. If we don’t do anything, the meaning of the concept is lost.

I have a question. Do you understand how every successful pvp game works?
Is you want to have lively game, you need basic thing – player pyramid.
1. ALOT of low skilled guys who casually play for fun,
2. Large group of decently skilled players who have access to almost all shiny things
3. Elite with rare titles, tons of tournament victories, unique rewards, etc.

To make this pyramid, you need easy, fun and decently rewarding mass-pvp modes for majority of PvP crowd, ability to get almost any shiny thing in reasonable time for dedicated players, and unique things for elite.
This is not that we have. sPvP in current state is grind. If you are casual, you are unable to get something decent at all, just because of rank grind amount. Thats why we have rank farm maps, and thats why they are so popular.
If you are decent, you can get some shines from tPvP and soloQ, but first – rewards are not good enough, second – population for tPvP and soloQ is miserable, due to small population of mass gamemode (hotjoin) itself.
And elite is suffering from same problems.

If we need to make sPvP popular, we need to make it rewarding, attract people here, make our pyramid large and wide.

And when i see someone asking for rewards nerf, more so – such nerfs for most basic and massive modes – i cannot express my feelings. This is beyond stupid. You killing your own game and don’t even understand it.

And all threads from http://guildwars.incgamers.com is dead. Sadface.
Edit: nvm, dead only links from index thread, if you browsing forum manually, you can find all threads.

Yes, ban PvE-rs for farming sPvP ranks, because ranks are so big deal skilled hotjoin heroes, yo, so big, it hurts. And remove 8×8 modes. And remove hotjoin. And make dailies only for tPvP. And rewars only for top 500 in leaderboards. And glory only for wins, in tPvP ofc.
All those progressive measures, asked by hardcore forum whiners PvP professionals, certainly will attract new people to sPvP, this is exactly what we need right now. Do it, Anet! Do it!

http://guildwars.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?473742-The-Central-Archives
Was very interesting to read, thanks.
Also i like this quote from 2006:

Hate to burst your bubble, but A-Net has been insistent in their “Humans Only” policy. No other races. Ever.

draxynnic.3719:

However, a cleansed High Priest or former monarch of Orr is probably going to be given a say in Orr’s future, and chances are they’re going to be more favourable to humanity.

And chances to get another Joko.

But but only humans was specialists in magical arts. Raw power is nothing if you have no idea how to use it.

Gandarel.5091:

Balthazar only motivated the humans, while charrs got direct help.

And who give magic to the humans ?

Shhh, he don’t know about guardian and necro base HP yet. Don’t shatter his world of imagination.

MIrra.3604:

The Hammer Warrior CC is balanced in terms of animation, however, the amount of CC that this weapon gets is over the top. I would say #4 and #5 is good/fine but the burst skill needs a longer cooldown. An 8 sec cooldown for a range aoe stun is…stupid.

No, burst is fine as is. Need some rework to remove blind with cleansing ire before landing, though.

Excalibur.9748:

Time to live for a regen bunker warrior is very high, possibly the highest (even if afk can live almost forever). They also have highest amounts of CC too (so called access to “perma-CC”, which in reality is not really perma. But then there is no “perma-evade” either.). And also highest access to stability (guardian is close).

Can you tell me how to make build with 30 in defense (for ire&“high stability”), 30 in tactics (for regen) and 30 in discipline (burst mastery, for “highest CC”), pretty please? I want 90 talent points too.

Mmm…
Commander: “Hide your faces, group in me here, near portal”
C: “Do we have a mesmer?”
M: “Yes, i’m here”
C: “Prepare veil”
C: "Group up, fire field, empower, mesmer veil the portal, GO-GO-GO, stability,
Ele: “Static one”
C: "Bomb the static, bomb, bomb!
Group: “Hammerstun”, “Hammerstun”, “Hammerstun”
C: “Regroup on me here, empower”
Ele: “Small water”
Group: “Blasting”
C: “On their regroup!”
Ele 2: “Static two”
C: “Bomb the static!”
Group: “Hammerstun”, “Hammerstun”, “Hammerstun”
Ele 1: “Big water, meteornado up”
Ele 2: “Meteornado up”
C: “Finish the downed”
C: “Collect your lootbags”

Dear sorrow.2364 and some other guys. Since i don’t remember you, i sincerely repeating my pleading from earlier topics.
GET YOUR HANDS OFF MY EARTHSHAKER, DON’T BRING YOUR SPVP NONSENSE INTO MY WvW! NO I DONT CARE ABOUT SPVP BALANCE IF IT WILL BE ACHIEVED BY UNBALANCING OTHER GAME MODES!
Thank you for your attention.

Gandarel.5091:

Or charrs should grow balls and fight like men.

Like humans you mean? Conquer with help in form of power from supernatural beings? Oh, the irony…

RaynStargaze.6510:

what about 400 heal per sec with signet without any additional healstats?

seems pretty op non?

And how much tPvP warrior bunkers you see now? Regen without protection and good bunker utilities means nothing.

Fishbait.6723:

Not just ESO, but Wild Star also.

Every time I`ve listened/watched something they`ve released, it is almost as if they`re having a dig at gw2 & then some.

Fully customisable ui (which considering how great Guild Wars ui was, gw2 is a an embarrassing joke.
Completely modable with mods already being created before game is even released.
From the sound of things the pvp is going to be good too, something which anet advertised/promised & has failed to fully accomplish by a long shot.
Arenas, with spectators that not only get to watch, they can join in in some form (someone stealths too long & doesn`t fight, viewers get to throw rotten veggies to kick them out of stsealth haha).
World pvp. /cheers
NPCs/bosses are able to be used/tamed or wtk they called it to help defend your areas in open world pvp.
Housing, farmable plots etc for those farmville fans.
Raids (heard this is some sort of large dungeon, I don`t pve ;p ).
& much more.

With ESO, Wild Star & a few others very close on the horizon, anet have to really get their kitten into gear or they`ll wipe on this boss.

You never seen ESO and Wildstar betas from inside, right? Because… well, all i can say is that you are too optimistic about them.

Dese.1382:

The counter to ranged dps is retaliation. And yes it will kill you even faster with no aoe limit.
Warhammer had a stacked aoe issue early on and was fixed.

100500 necro fields can be countered with retaliation? Something new, definitely.

Gandarel.5091:

Rednik.3809:

Charr cares about healthy environment (no one wants to live in wasteland

I lol’d so hard. Searing, anyone?

- Here live the humans, who stole this land from us, killed our ancestors and slowly but constantly continue their expansion. We can engage and win war with em, but land will be seriously damaged by our combat magic. Natural recovering process will take alot of time.
- Oh no, we cannot damage the lands, lets wait until humans will push further and exterminate us completely! Environment must be saved at all costs!

Invictus.1503:

Although they aren’t the kind to go into, say, Ascalon and tell the Charr to clean up their act, they may very well take a personal stake in Orr given that it was a major part of their short lived society to see it cleansed.

I think they Sylvari would likely allow the humans to move back in and may even allow for human Sovereign rule, but I don’t think they would simply allow the humans to take over completely without a heavy Sylvari presence. How the humans would respond to this I’m unsure, but I think it would at least start out on good and cooperative terms.

Btw if sylvary will come to Ascalon with actual ideas how to do it without stopping industrialization, charr will probably let em do it and assign warbands to help. Charr cares about healthy environment (no one wants to live in wasteland and charr are rational thinkers, see multiple charr hearts about cleansing various areas), they just care more about industrialization at the moment.

Epic.3950:

First of all ACs were only buffed because aoes got nerfed. if they were reverted back people would actually have to use skills with cooldowns to cover entrances and an enemy team can just as easily counter it with a protection buff for their entire team or a massive water blast after charging through the AOE fields. sure amps up the tactical play of both small and large groups when its not based off of chance of hitting people rather than hitting EVERYTHING. Plus think of the lag that AOEs cause by calculating if 5 people are inside or not constantly.

Try to walk under fire of 10+ superior AC, and after that come back and tell me how protection and water blasts help you. Without cap wvw will become World of Ranged DPS vs World of Ranged DPS.

Rhaegus.8924:

I heard JQ pays a precursor + all the needed materials to make a legendary of it per alt a transferee has on it’s account.
Guild leaders get twice the payment.

It’s true.

^ Real story, 100% valid. Also i heard JQ payed RG for transfer with lifetime supply of ghost potions.

Nah, screw siege towers. I want option to load asuras into trebs and shoot em inside enemy keep.

Gandarel.5091:

A land is considered claimed once the conquerror side establishes a government system on the new land, distributing it between his nation and points out leaders.

Since charrs just rushed in and got killed, nothing like this ever happened. Their army faced absolute destruction by an Orrian scroll.

According to this, Orr won the war at a high cost and charrs faced total destruction. Human land.

Orr did not won the war. Maximum that we can say is that Orr did repel first invasion, but lost all land, citizens, government and army in process.
So at first we have charr “Empire” and charr army vs Orrian Kingdom and orrian army.
After all magic events we have charr “Empire” and charr army (with less numbers) vs… nothing, Orrian kingdom and army completely gone.
Ergo = charr won the war, they are got nothing to grab after victory (no new land, no trophies) but their enemy completely destroyed.

Tom Gore.4035:

So don’t let the other servers get 3 BL buffs? It really doesn’t take that much effort to capture the buff for your realm if you really feel you should have it. Much less even if you hold the Garrison.

WvW just got another layer of strategy added. Learn, adapt, overcome.

Reminds me gold sPvP memo “<class> is fine and clearly not OP, l2dodge”.
Punishing server for actions of random people is NOT fine. Punishing you for trying to go and fight then you are outnumbered is NOT fine. Punishing defenders for taking hard fight while trying to hold keep (because dying people give your opponent more points than holding this keep for 2hours straight) is NOT fine. Stomping points is plain bad and wrong conception.

Few points.
Bloodlust buff. To be more accurate, stomp-for-server-points part.
Before bloodlust, player death was insignificant. You die, someone receive some wxp and loot, you group can be weakened, but all those things are not impacting your server. Server points was all about map control, which was all about organization. You put scouts, you swipe enemy zergs off map, you grab all structures that you can, you get your points. Better organization = win.
Now things changed. 12 stomped pugs (over all maps) per point tick under full bloodlust > Stonemist castle, 29 > whole EB corner, 49 > whole border. Someone going to tell me that taking the whole defended border is easer than stomp 49 random people?
May be it was good idea, you can now roam and do something really useful for server. But this coin have other side – overall control over situation from organized groups is gone now. You can keep scouts over all maps, you can siege structures, you can organize perfect floating firefight teams to response on scout calls, but you cannot control your pugs, and you cannot prevent them from being stomped. Value of organization begins to decrease.
Punishing the entire server for the actions of a few random people is wrong. Stomp part need to be changed.

Make control points as modifier to borderland point tick. 0 points controlled = you get only 30% from this borderland captured structure point value per tick. 1 point = 50%, 2 = 75%, 3 = 100%, 4 = 125%, 5 = 150%. With this change, you will be unable just sit in towers, because your borderland point tick will be only 30% of value (so control over map center will be critical), and in same time your server will be not punished just because you have some people who don’t want to be careful and don’t listen the orders.

P.S. Also i think about binding structure point value to upgrade status, so t1 = 75% of value, t2 = 100% an T3 = 125%, but this is another topic imo.

Theory.
Zhaitan is control center and big sponge with magical energies.
Zhaitan dead, control link broken, status of energy (and energy links) is unknown.
Tequatl is ancient dragon, probably main champion, probably self-aware (analog of Glint).
So, with broken control and possible knowledge about energy manipulations… champion begin to evolve on it’s own? Seems logical.

Afair, yak points is capped.

I don’t like 2 things.
1. Bloodlust lag. It’s ridiculous.
2. Guilds losing control over ppt. We can’t stop random people from dying and getting stomped over the map. Before patch this fact was insignificant, but now it’s huge point sink.

Kryta, Jennah, orrians… But why not LA?
What is LA emissary will come to Pact and say “we will give you money, transport, resources – anything. And you will give us… yes, Orr. Yes, we will continue to cleanse it. Yes, we will keep order, grant colonization rights to everyone who want to come, grant protection of human temples/shrines/etc from any marauders and let temples to be rebuild, bla-bla-bla. We will create New Orr, we need citizens and everyone is welcome here as long as they are abiding state laws”

Stealth.8150:

did you have blind folds on yesterday during sea or something you guys had over 30 people easily

You are making such interesting claims about SoR guild numbers. Go further, prove your words with screenshots of our raids, IRON, SONG, NYS, etc. Just make a few good ones so we can count tags and we all will approve your words. You are honest man and not lying/making things up, right?

Orr throne don’t need any real heritage, orrian descendants, etc. You can just create new state (“we return and resettle ancient human land bla-bla-bla”), give them puppet government, give throne to “New Orrian dynasty” (King Logan, eh?), and after that just absorb new dynasty into Kryta royal line trough marriage. Bam, Kryta kings now rightful rulers of Kryta and Orr. Other races don’t care about human monarchical customs, so it will be enough.
Main problem is – how you can persuade other races to give Orr for human settlement AND (main thing) allow such settlement become new human (not interracial, because of new human royal line on the throne) state.

Phoebe Ascension.8437:

Sorry that the truth hurts you. You clearly are a warrior enjoying stunsmashing enemies. You wouldn’t be so scared, if you didn’t enjoy it alot. I’m not asking for heavy nerfs but 3 aoe stuns on one weapon is to much. They have to give it 40 sec cd or something, so it requires more skill to land it properly and not fail it. Now you can just spam it immediately again after you failed one.

I run standard variations of meleetrain hammer builds, so i have 1 stun. But i cant remember any warrior weapon with 3 stuns. sPvP skullcrack have 2 stuns and 1 daze (mace F1, shield 4 and mace 3), all of them singletarget, fullcontrol hammer+2 mace build (lol, someone really runs that?) have 1 aoe stun (hammer F1), 1 singletarget (mace F1), 1 daze(mace 3), 1 aoe knockown (hammer 4, trow target away from you), 1 semi-aoe knockdown (mace 5) and 1 singletarget knockdown (hammer 5). Plz teach me how to make build with 3 aoe stuns.

Phoebe Ascension.8437:

Stability/stunbreaker doenst help against warrior. Warrior can do like 21 stuns in 70 secs, while ele can only be about 10 sec immune to them (armor of earth + mistform). That leaves about 18 stuns, you TOTALLY cannot break. 18 free HARD cc’s…

If Anet still don’t see it’s op well then i’m at a loss for words. It’s ok in pvp, it’s totally NOT OK IN WVW. Also Balanced stance is overpowered. It’s the best stunbreaker in game, the best stability in game, with low cd. 10 sec complete immunity to these stuns? Why would warrior be immune to it’s only counterplay? They need a weakness to you know. And it’s hard to find that with all those stuns, immunities, healing signet, adrenal health, 21k base hp, 2400 base armor.

You USE big WORDS to draw ATTENTION to your SUBJECT and make IT look IMPORTANT, are YOU? Because lolmace WARRIORS in wvw is DEFINITELY big DEAL.

Narcemus.1348:

Seeing as no one survived to tell the tale (human-wise), the story became the great last stand. The fact that he chose genocide was a recent development, proven by a select group of people, but unknown to the larger populace. And, might I add, no longer a fact that they can prove, thanks to the fact that the eye witness was killed.

In world with magic, gods and necromancy, death is not ultimate end of things. Witnesses can be returned back.

Narcemus.1348:

I understand people like the idea of the charr having naval access to the sea, but it seems like a big stretch of resources and logistics, and we all know that the charr do not trust the use of asura gates, because they aren’t fully under their own control.

Looks like you don’t understand thing about military bases. If you are planning to be world force to be reckoned with, and you have a chance to establish one in really important place (aka strategical base), you will do this even with high upkeep cost, because you will lost alot more if you not go for it. Strategical interests is a big thing.

Omaris Mortuus Est.2738:

They should focus on WvW being an esport. Why satisfy 5 player teams when you can have more fun with 100.

^ This

Honestly, this is minor change for hammer. You usually avoid using hammer 4, because you don’t want to screw aoe nuke for all your team.

Aberrant.6749:

One or two pistol auto attack =‘s “stupid play” and eng should be downed for that?… yet multiple attacks from a guard (not just auto) isn’t and they shouldn’t be downed for it… and this is just due to playing smart and not a balance issue? “Testing” with a pistol on eng can take off most of the eng’s hp in a singe shot btw (because of the mechanics of the pistols)… so… I 100% disagree. This just seems like another it’s ok for my class it’s… so it’s fine for everyone type of thread without knowing the other classes.

Why you not asking for a change in autoattack and other bugged abilities then, instead of asking to remove whole mechanic from game?

Viking Jorun.5413:

Hmm… Nerf the OP warrior spec in PvE… Yep, not seeing the issue here. Greatsword has always been overpowered in PvE and has never been a viable choice in the competitive scene. Bursting HB would also solve the issue of blinds during Cleansing Ire.

> killing weapon for most common game mode completely
> “not seeing the issue here”

Try to think again.

Viking Jorun.5413:

junho.7825:

Moving HB to a burst skill is completely the worst idea that I’ve ever seen

It would increase the recharge time on it and scale with Berserker’s Power. I don’t see the issue.

Issue in DPS. This change will make GS useless for PvE.

You must come to GvG without any stacks on you, so GvG-s don’t care actually.

Excalibur.9748:

The forum wants the warrior toned down in PvE and WvW.

Can you GET SPVP WHINY NONSENSE OFF MY WVW? Pretty please? I don’t care about skullcrack nerf, it will be just switch for warrior common sPvP builds, but WvW balance – hands off from it. Don’t fix that is not broken.

covenn.7165:

You got that a little wrong… it isn’t the AoE promoting it. It is the limit cap on most AoE abilities. If most AoE wasn’t target limited, people would be spreading out really quickly, heh.

And how melee should survive in this situation then? We don’t have 1mil HP/teleports/unlimited invulnerability to go through heavy aoe without 5-man limit. Try to walk in the choke under 10 sup arrowcart fire and you will understand what i am talking about.

Elevate time for acquire ascended in PvE and WvW and i will be fine with it. I don’t want to go into PvE just because it’s x10 times faster.

a t s e.9614:

Huh soldier gear on warrior? Roll a guard bro

You have a problem with soldier gear?

Victory.2879:

Here’s a summary of the answers so far:

From the hammer wielders and press 1 autoattacking guardians, they see no problem with retal as they run around in a ball and have their own regeneration and healing going on so don’t really notice it, while tagging everything in sight with a weapon that does aoe damage and causes heals to trigger on the rest of their ball.

From anyone trying to damage the press 1 spammers by actually using skills as intended, retal is the most broken mechanic in the game.

“Number 1 spammers” are forced to always be in frontline, eating all melee, ranged and AOE damage, while skilled “killers of spammers” want to stay behind in safety, roll their faces on 1-2-3-4-5 and don’t care about stupid things like non-zerk gear, boon stripping
and backlash from retal? Oh, i see now.

Man, if you plan to be commander (especially pug zerg commander), you must remember simple thing – if you die, your zerg is done. And you WILL be focused, because of this shiny dorito above your head. So forget about clerics, you must be in full PVT. Try this.
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fIMQNBiYDbkzpFu5RGCHOggeohVxWoUMH1RSBZwGA-jkCBofA4hRmaAmcIQZPFRjtMqIasKbY6SCyqXJ1jTQWGAmpA-w

Thalador.4218:

In the northwestern corner the Pact is testing new weapons (including some prototype grenades) that can be used against the Flame Legion as well as dragon minions. There’s a Pact camp in the north leading assaults against one of the larger Flame castrums. And then again, Gaheron was killed in a Pact campaign, and it is the Pact that is waging a war on the leftover Flame forces inside the Citadel.

I.e. 1 camp and 1 group of troops inside CoF. While charr (only what we know atm) fighting with: Flame Legion, Branded, ghosts, Separatist, Renegades, ogre tribes, local grawl and harpies here and there… and manage to hold it together. And sending troops, specialists and equipment to the Pact ofc.
While humans fight with bandits and centaurs. Clearly equal wars.

Emm, about charr females… I have some. Yes. Some.
P.S. All 80 except thief

dodgycookies.4562:

new buffs gives points for spikes.

GvG is all about spiking the other team down.

Result: Score padding to the detriment of the third server who is not GvGing.

Oh, i already see posts of GvG haters.
OMG, GVG NOW IS NOT ONLY KILL TRADING AND LOOT FARMING, BUT IT’S CREATING UNBALANCE FOR SERVER SCORES ALSO! BAN IT IMMEDIATELY!