Guild Wars 2

When Running with LIlith, at least in high level fractals. I have to run my necro…. my other fractal runner is Charr….

Upsetting Madam Liliths fashion sensibilities is not desirable….

thats my story and i am sticking to it.

(( truth, I have all my AR on trinkets so i run whatever needs running. based on group comp.))

Norn Bear form,

Charr Battle roar.

Asura Radiation field can be usefull in some cases. Or even the D series Gollem,

Aomine.5012:

One Treb and all the turrets will be wiped.
L2P please because this map is an easy counter to turret engineers.

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((facepalm))

stupid search function…..

MastaNeenja!! (Tiramisu you Norny italian desert you! ))

a while ago you wrote an epic monologue… i cant find it again. the on where as the ""casuals look up and cry “save us” ""

must find again…

so…

you want more mobs and bosses like…

Lupi,
Mai Trin,
and Pre nerf Dredge…

I am ok with this.

Iris Ng.9845:

Once upon a time, there was a guy who wanted to improve his solo Lupi kill. Out of boredom, the guy invited his two friends over to goof off. One of his friend, out of boredom, decided to clean up the area outside of Lupi’s arena. Since then, mesmer never looks the same to me as before.

Sandy makes mesmers Godlike.

((fanboi moment))

I confess that he is the reason I even Have a mesmer

Balsa.3951:

i understand the op even so i just run guard since a long time.

the point is that some classes underperform.

and that even he do his own group say everyone welcome he get all the weirdos with normad gear and bearbows.

anet must look into that and try

Im sry for necros everytime i see speedrun necro lfg and i join i see the weirdest signets on them 25% speed ranger and necros 10% dmg reduc guardians and signet full warrior with rifle. for a Ac run….

the only thing what really can fix ops problem is a guild or anet overwork some stuff

I must test this….

I think its more of a reading comprehension thing though because when it comes to the LFG, reading is OP and an exploit…

Shjade.4697:

Ropechef.6192:

simple answer for thieves and other classes.

access to might. specifically high stacks and duration.

Ah yes, of course, might stacks. I always forget about how much impact huge stacks of might have.

Kind of makes me wonder. I think that kill was done pre rune rework…

what would a thief group with strenth runes and sigils be able to acomplish now?

hmmmm

Shjade.4697:

IvanTheGrey.2941:

Speed clear lupi. 5 x warriors. If only one of them had attack speed boost and reflections.

Meh

Sort of a sidenote, but to whomever claims or thinks that warriors are top DPS in the game, I’d just like to point out that if you follow Ivan’s link here, you’ll see a video of 5 warriors killing Lupicus in 51 seconds. Not too bad!

…then you look down the rest of that playlist of Lupicus kills.

5x Elementalist: 17 seconds
5x Mesmer: 27 seconds
5x Guardian: 37 seconds (numbers ending in 7 are apparently popular!)
5x Ranger (!): 41 seconds

That’s a lot of classes burning Lupicus down faster than Warriors did by a pretty distinct margin. Hunh.

I’m a little surprised thieves were behind (73s). Maybe hard to backstab him against the wall? Too much time spent trying not to die? Both? They didn’t shine in this little experiment, in any case. Necros came in at 118s. Engineers managed a 69s run. That puts Warriors pretty much dead center in the middle of the pack.

Edit: obviously against a boss who can’t be nuke-reflected as hard as Lupicus these numbers would likely be very different (particularly the Mesmer count, as Lupi just BLOWS UP when they feedback him), but hey, damage is damage.

simple answer for thieves and other classes.

access to might. specifically high stacks and duration.

there is more to it than that but its a big one.

Also. Obal and the Death and Taxes crew tried very hard and intentionally to use ONLY what the classes themselves had access to. A “pure” run if you might say.

HELLruler.4820:

Maybe some big guilds could create an academy or something like that to teach potential main-guild members how to do some stuff and test their skills

(((summons represenative of NOOOOOOOOB!!!! )))

((dramtical cymbals and music! ))

good on you Popcorn!

talk with Ivan the Grey here as well, he is an Arah Addict. along with myself but i tend to play very late at night so i cannot feed my addiction as well as i should.

4,5,0,0,5
4,6,2,0,2
6,6,0,0,2
6,6,2,0,0
3,5,0,4,2
5,5,0,4,0

and that is just some dungeon and PvE building. I will let the PvP and WvW guards answer theirs.

regardless. You really cannot compare Guild Wars 1 with Guild Wars 2. the sheer number of skills is different.
Where you see “lack of build variety” , I see freedom. did you know that you can complete anything in Tyria with any build and any gear set.

I have 4 sets of Armour on ONE of my characters. and I change the build around on it frequently, Because I can.

I am sorry if you think it is so limiting. have fun with that. I am going to go back and play a really fun game….

http://www.dtguilds.com/forum/m/6563292/viewthread/12821718-necro-dps-trials-halp-dek

worth reading.

hah!

nicely done!

ZOMBIFY!!!!!

Biceps for germany!!!

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Anybody notice anything outside of what was posted?

Archdeviner drops loot now, which is cool.

something of interest as well.

Elementalist
Fiery Greatsword:
Fiery Rush: Fixed a bug that caused the damage from this skill’s final attack to appear in the combat log incorrectly.
Flame Wave: Updated the skill facts to display the correct number of targets (5).

they actually went into FgS.
and didnt change rush.
Firey anetappoved sword???

Any opinions out there for a “power staff” set up?

I keep finding myself running along side havocs and zergs and mostly just camping staff and flashing DS.

wondered about some strength runes and sigil for Might procs. and just marking the ground. Condies although usefull, of course you have a helluva time trying to keep them ticking.
Power staff camping???
can marks even crit?

Bhawb.7408:

I don’t know that it is competitive viable, but a lot of the perceived weaknesses can be worked around and if you know how to rotate and force fights you can be a huge pain in the kitten .

you know i think thats really the nuts and bolts to it.

the “meta” for at least pvp is so well documented that it can really just come down to us as Necromancers and finding those skills and or a play style that not only works but we also enjoy playing. It not about what we DONT have. its about what we DO have and how to make it work.

Awesome to hear for the Build. by all means let us know when you get some streaming done and we can all check it out.

Morbridae.8607:

Ah! And my more memorable battle was one where, by dumb luck, our party were 4 necros and 1 guardian. To see the our minions on stampede against our enemies was just beautiful.

that is awesome!

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wait so it was YOU!! you and the other 3. YOU!!!!! are the reason “they” think MM are op

you and bhawb. thats my story and i am sticking to it….

What kind of set up are you using for your WvW stuff Nearlight?

I have been running in there periodically and it seems i have been running something different each time I go.

Everyone is welcome to post.

we are all family here.

:)

i had not thought about the shortbow for entities.

LEARNINGS!!!!

outstanding!

Since you already know the encounters you are already a step ahead of the game.

from my experience. like i was saying before.

I took 2 in SA for the condie removal at belka. I have not tried it with sword pistol yet.
I took the 3 in acro for the extra dodgy for Lupi. ( i am not as good as i would like to be yet )
Still working on a concept for Alphard personally. let me know how you do it
have not made it to Brie yet so… ( yeah i am a scrub )
I have been just ranging the Ooze in p1, still trying to figure out how to Melee it.
still trying to work out a method for the entities. so i have not gotten farther yet.
the orbs are still troubling me, even though i know thief is one of the few classes that can solo them. just cant seem to have the right utilities timed well…

yeah i am a scrub,
Let me know what you find out and learning is always a good thing

I know Nike will run his thief sometimes on his stream. just not always.

i honestly dont know who is running thief main for streaming or youtube…. I would love to find some though.

I think path one and three though are going to be tricky simply due to Tar and Orbs. but of course you have me curious. now I want to see some….

((pokes dungeon forum))

we got any thief mains out there????

GoogleBrandon.5073:

What is glorious to me when I play a Necromancer, when we actually play as a team, is when I outplay my opponent… I know that Necromancers have followed a cycle of nerfs (debatably worse than Mesmer), yet there is no such thing as “impossible” when fighting a 1v1 or a 2v2…

I am reliable as a Necromancer on the team despite of what people say about the class – and only on my Ele or Warrior do I feel as comfortable playing one for the team!

Screw the ToL setups, forget about Necromancer’s being the weakest link in a teamfight – make it work and bathe in the tears of an enemy, knowing that they got outplayed…

:)

outstanding!

IF you could create your own version of PvP team built around you as the Necromancer. What would it be? i am curious?
what build would you run? how would you counter what you think they would stack to “counter” you?

What about the rest of you.

Come, Revel in our silliness.

lets all make being Necromancers cool again. even if its just between us.

:)

ohh,
and remember, no whining.

Bhawb,
What have you been working on lately? Even though some of the minion skills are lack luster. What is it that you are doing to make it work? I confess to not ever really running minions. but something about it interests me. If nothing more than a tool in the toolbox.

Spoj,
I know you have been playing your Ele more as of late. Do you still get in with your girl? Have you gotten a chance to try out the new Mai Trin with her?
I managed to Solo her the other day it was only a level 20 but it was a rough fight. Yes you can Shroud the shot it seems. just barely though.

Zombify,
What has been going through your game lately. You have the potential for the All star. What have you been running? How do you fight some of those classes at that level? What kind of team build do you prefer to be in and what build do you run if your team is building around you?
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I have been PLaying a bit with Leeto’s Dagger Shroud build in sPvP a bit and some in WvW. just cant seem to get the hang of it. But Condi seems so out of it with all of the removal everywhere? Is Power becoming a dominant concept? or is it just me that needs to be more open to adjustments based upon my chosen field of battle.

I struggle with every class right now. But it seems GS memsers have been particularly irritating.

Ohh, I got a Chance to Fear the Risen Priest of Balthzar the other night. talk about lucky. it was a glorious 3 seconds. immedietly followed by 65 stacks of defiant

What are you thinking?
In those moments before the fight? When you are on Point? When you see a thief? or a Warrior. Why does it work? why does it fail? WHERE does it work? Why do you choose that path?

We are necromancers.

Let me get something perfectly clear. This is not a whining thread. this is no place for you to cry about how we are Underpowered, or lacking in whatever. This is for truth. and for what we have done. And a place for us to be inspired by eachother. We know what we are lacking in. so rather than us kneeling in submission, Stand and help others acomplish those “hard” things. Do not bring your tears here. Fill your cups with the tears of those that would see us gone.

We are Necromancers.

Share with me, and the rest of us. What works? What is challenging? what is glorious for You? for us? what can we teach each other? How can We acomplish what is not “possible”?

We are Necromancers. And together we are strong.

just one, on the second page, but it mostly is for path 2.

Ice,
for me at least, It depends on the path. and then knowledge of the path. Generally i still keep 6,6, and then float the 2 points for different encounters. Such as path 2 Belka, i put the 2 in SA for the condi removal. But i generally fight her double dagger vs the pistol dagger suggestion in the other thread.

for Lupi there are a couple different ways to go I think, taking x,x,x,3,3 for the Vigor on dodge and the extra initiative is the defensive and safer route. but that will ultimately depend on how you want to run it.

nuts and bolts to it. Because of the ability to change traits on the fly it has opened up so many variances to the world its just up to you to experiment with it and learn more about what you are getting into and what you can do to mitigate the threat.

if you come across a specific thing you are struggling with, come back here and see what they have to say about that specific thing. and go from there.

regardless though. GOOD LUCK!!! is good times in there.

Viable?
sure,
Fun?
Sure.
decently optimal?

I confess though I have seen some really cool P/P thieves in WvW doing the whole “gunslinger” thing.

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“condi goth emo ablilities”

i am so stealing this.

new PvP Meta,

every party has at least one guardian that stands safely back at home spamming “retreat” , “hold the line”, “save yourselves” and f1, f2, f3,

passive play at its finest.

nasomuch.

you don’t get it.

we DO want something new.

we DON"T want a rehash of the same old.

we want something new and challenging and interesting.

changing the range of boons as the original topic of this thread is about would cause an immense set of balancing issues that would require time effort and money to work through.

dont “fix” fix what is not broken. I don’t want Arena Net wasting their time and ours trying to balance something out. when they could be making a new map, or dungeon, or whatever.

changing the range on boons is only asking for all sorts of balance problems.

Do not try to fix what is not broken.

lightly pencil me in for some of it. I will see about shifting my schedule and running with you before I have to head into work.

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outfrigginstanding!

I have seen a bunch that are really mostly for laughs. But yes a “speed clear” is not really possible with 5 of the same class.

however doing them for good times and amusement is all good. You could get it posted to GWSCR in the “alternate” section. could be fun.

Or you could always do what I did and offer up a bunch of gold and prizes for a clear with a ruleset of your choice.

counting on you Z

#necro4lyfe

panicbutton.1053:

I spent an hour dueling an amazing d/p thief that nailed down headshot to perfection. Almost anything an everything I did was denied including healing. It was sexy and humbling at the same time xD

more like this please…

less crying over being “OP”

more reveling in the joy of a truly good fight and challenge

:)

good on you!

i will second that.

best “healing” i have had in game came from an Engineer and a well timed turrent.

slightly off topic….
the more i think about it. i am begining to wonder if NEcromancers And Engineers were orginally created to be WvW classes. Everything about them fits very well into the large scale “warfare” type.
(shrug) meh,

nothing to fix.

dagger is a single target high damage.

sword is multi target slightly less damage.

I had not thought about that,

the overwrite of regen etc. that brings up a good point. Given that a “healer” type character is really only effective in WvW. That is something to really take into account.

a faster burst styled heal would be far more effective. particularly if you have a handful of people doing it.

Morfedel.4165:

Interesting.

The reason I asked is I was speculating on a possible group heal specced character using the new nomad’s armor stats. However, since healing is secondary, maybe Cleric’s or Apothecary’s might be better, depending on the class.

be wary,

Being a group styled “healer” for a small army (zerg) is very useful. however take some hard looking at healing power and if it even scales with your chosen skills. You may be better off with just a soldier set, or even knights.

Banner Regen Warriors are a very interesting support set up for large groups in WvW I personally think. Not only does your banners have a helpfull regen. but hey suddenly everyone is hitting harder with your conveniently placed banner of discipline and strength.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

@Chef: You’re a Norn. You can show off your amazing tatas with impunity.

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YAY!!!!!!

Rising Dusk.2408:

Maybe the AC Spider boss spawns a new group of 12 spider hatchlings every time it is CC’d, for instance.

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dooo eeeet!!!!!

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Major immersion breaker with CoE chest. Lame.

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((cries))

Funset.7893:

Because this game doesnt have healers. Its only dps.

that is incorrect.
Do please stop spreading misinformation

Azreell.1568:

Combat is very one dimensional and somewhat shallow in the game.

In pve zerker meta and pew pew something stacked until it’s dead.

Pvp you have a few more options but everything in this game is indeed judged and rewarded by how much dps you do.

All else is an after thought.

the bad thing has to go away to get your shiny.

I fail to see a problem with this.

Random thoughts are random…..

what do you think Robert would think about where we are now? vs where we were before?

He did it though…. at least in part… Lupi and Mai are still bastions of glory for most of us. years later even…

Lilith Ajit.6173:

It’s like ten thousand wars when all you need is a necro. Isn’t it ironic?

Don’t cha think?

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