Guild Wars 2

it was a few pages down.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Thief-PvE-guide-by-Xukk-Jeremy-Chase

highly suggest reading through that. It will give you a good idea of what you are heading to and what you are capable of.

Keep leveling would be the big one. many of the thief traits that make them so formidable are found in the grand master tier.

Have faith! Thief is a great class and can be a staple in Dungeon groups.

maxinion.8396:

RagNoRawk.3625:

Purple Miku.7032:

Btw, I’ve been hit for 60k fall damage while running through Lion’s Arch on flat ground before… just straight out of nowhere.

Proof of the presence of admin abuse in gw2…

/kill Purple Miku.7032

“I bet he can’t solo Lion’s Arch!”

Why do I suddenly have a mental image of Purple’s next stream

(puts on best nature show host voice)

“exploring Lions Arch with purple Miku”
“now if you look here, just beyond that wreckage you will see the fabled bearbow Ranger.”
" Here you will see the Fierce Dungeon Speed Runner. notice they are Afk by the bank"
" Look honey, Casuals!"

So I gave this a go tonight.

lots of fun even though i got my butt handed to me.

Tried the 6 in curses first just to see, and then went to spite. personal opinion follows your notion, the 6 in the power line just synergized better with the build over all. Good call.

things i struggled with:

MM necro.

General:
If it was a 1v1 I held my own considering first time running this style. Soon as someone else showed up I was done for. I found I had more success if I palled up with someone.

this was also the chaos known as hotjoin. It was a good time, Have to see about doing it a little more and getting better at it. Figured a couple more days in the mess before i head into Solo Que for some actual thought..

when you have several theory crafters compiling lists. there tends to be a least some level of pattern.

I will gladly stand and be corrected in the list i provided. It was just made based upon the current pattern that at least (I) have seen.

More than open to correction.

Thanks Holl,

I had remembered those traits were in the power line. solid logic with those.

good to know on the might, the vid mentioned that you had some trouble with might stacking, but i may have just misinterpreted that. 20 to 25 might is a good place to be.

Gonna give this one a shot as soon as i can

recalling various theory crafting number threads…..

Assuming Full damage traits, Armour and buffs, (might, fury, vuln)

Elementalist and thief are tier one. (thief becomes highest with an Ele conjure and the improvisation trait. so those 2 can be interchangeable. )

Guard, Necromancer, Ranger, tier 2

Warrior, Engie, Mesmer tier 3

note: Mesmer is VERY dependant on phantasms. so depending on how many are out and alive at any given time. they will move all over the scale.

For “tanking”
assuming Defensive Gear, Traits. and when you say tanking meaning that you just stand there and be a punching bag.

Gaurdian, Warrior, Elementalist would be tier one.

the rest I will be honest and say that I truthfully dont know how well you could turn them into meatbags.

Tarsius.3170:

Ropechef.6192:

sorry to derail…

Chef Mogwai

:)

awesome – stay out of the water!

god we are old aren’t we……

:D

random…

would running 6 in curses and a sigil of strength with matching runes be an effective notion? proc more might stacks? hence more power?

or would you still suggest the 6 in Spite?

coglin.1867:

Tarsius.3170:

Except that Guardians are more like Mogwai – they have been cute from birth and everyone wants one in their family, but Anet are afraid to feed them any milk and cookies since beta incase they turn into Gremlins and eat everyone.

I loved that movie when I was younger and it first came out. I saw it recently and it looked so bad after all this time………………………..I wonder how many posters are of age enough to even get the reference?

sorry to derail…

Chef Mogwai

:)

even just the ones you had there added a whole bunch of things to try.

i had not thought about the whole well with the staff 4 mark inside trick.

you feel running full glass is the best way to go with it? or would slotting a knight amulet or something be worthwhile?

worth learning in Hot join? or just go for it and hit the solo q?

Emapudapus.1307:

I would like to see your MM in tPvP.

wont disagree there.

I dont run minions But i would love to see the thought process behind it.

but again. play YOUR game, and save the broadcasts ocasionally. I may not alway be able to catch you live

Great Stuff Holl,

thanks for putting that up

truth,

play YOUR game, and have fun doing it. I think that would be the best thing to watch is someone having fun.

of course doing some Necro stuff while you are at it is not a bad thing

kekuso.5837:

A blast finisher would be nice.

yes please,

it would be a step in the direction of goodness for Necromancers to be usefull in Group PvE

Neko.9021:

If you PUG that much, maybe you should just join a guild? For myself, I don’t play dungeons frequently enough to be in that sort of guild, anymore, but if you PUG a lot, you should probably just have a guild to play with.

I am Guild master to a 300 person guild.

Without going to far into it. Its one of those things that when me and my brother started the guild 18 months ago. it fulfilled a need at the time. It STILL fullfills a need within the game for a great number of people. And in the grande scheme of it. It somewhere i can offload some of the cool stuff i learn from all the people here.

That being said.
I am slowly stepping away from that group in some way and have been for a long time. I value and respect each and every member of “chains”. But MY personal goals are changing and adapting.

I also PuG alot simply because well…. 3 am fractals are difficult to come by.

synk.8762:

.

(raises glass)

hellzyessem brother!

Not all pugs are bad,

Some of them are like me and just have not learned some things yet.

I have never been kicked from a run,
And 98 percent of the time most everyone is rather enjoyable. few tense moments here and there. but such as it is.

Enaretos.8079:

Thanks for this Chef, reminds me of this topic

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Elitists-I-ll-honestly-miss-you/first

THAT,

was a great thread.

thanks for saving that.

No Pulse.2967:

Are PUGs really so awful at the moment? Makes me want to invite you to dungeon runs, lol.

If you have people that Run in the time table that i usually play. I would very much jump

I try very hard to not make anyone cater to me, i would prefer to be able to be honest about what I can do and try to fit into the situation beneficially.

sazberryftw.3809:

I’m not sure what you mean by a ‘5 man DPS group’? Could you clear that up?

all 5 member of the party are running DpS gear and builds.

sad i know.

currently the most karma gain in short amount of time is Fractals. Averaging 10k per run.

average run 45 min to an hour.

beyond that, Yes you can run EoTM, but its hit and miss if there is actually a group on the map. and it still slow going, its just easy.

running amok in the world and just gooffing around nets me around 100k a week or so. Dry Top and Orr are good places to go with all the event chains and things to do.

Souldestructor.9576:

Sors Immani.8429:

The stealth skills (Prestige and Decoy) are on a 24 and 40 sec CD, respectively (and 90-sec on MI if they’re running it). In addition, each time they stealth only 1 condition will be cleansed.

LMFAO depends on the build they are running. if they’re running the balthazar build they will cleanse a lot more conditions than you can think. Plus the torch trait removes 2 conditions per torch skill used. not just one. Just a heads up.

0.o

good to know,

so what would be the NEcromancer counter to that? If you are running Condi? call for back up?

or just run power?

Still love you Bhawb,

:)

At least your minions more or less do you bidding. I cannot vouch for standard human

personally,

I am glad Kiel won.

if the Abbadon Fractal got the same treatment as the reactor….. well…

Abbadon needs a full sized run. not just a shard.

in response to another thread i thought i would bring this here. dont know why. just thought it would be something to think about or perhaps understand.
******

I am the eternal PuGer
My typical time to play is between midnight and 6 am NA, ( i am a Chef as my screen name implies so my hours are all sorts of not normal.)
I will be completely honest.
IN my 2 years of PuGing.
with the exception of the occasional run with dungeon forum regulars. (which number of runs i can count on 2 hands)

I have never seen 25 stacks of might.
I have never seen a 5 person DpS group.
I have never seen a Sword, Warhorn/axe Ranger.
I have never seen a dagger Necromancer.
I have to be the Gaurdian in Fractals because wall of reflection and hammer is not what being a guardian is about… 0.o
Kohler is skipped 19 out of 20 times..
Lupi is either rage quit or ranged. Melee involves at least 5 wipes. (as i am not quite good enough to solo him… YET)
i am sure i could think of more if i really thought about it.
…. ((sobs))

So,
For all of you that are “good” I want to personally say KEEP BEING AWESOME! yes that involves You Colsey, Swifty, Brazil, Nike, Rising Dusk, Sanderinoa, Random fight fan, Nevets Crimsonwing, FriFox, Lillith, Spoj, Dub, Card, Domz, Dekeys, Purple Miku, Sam, Jarem, Ivan the Grey, DnT, Snow Crows, Retaliate, Ren, King, Club, …….

and so many others that i am forgetting.

Keep doing what you are doing, and if nothing, realize there is at least one person out there that is eating it all up and trying to learn as best he can from what information is available. You are constant inspiration to at least me. and in turn i take what you all teach and try my very best to pass it along to the people that i come into contact with.

For all of you that want to come into the Dungeon Forums and complain.. you can Bugger right off. Instead of complaining, why don’t you be constructive and actually ask questions on how you can complete the content. Instead of trying to change the game.

((shrug))
I really don’t know where that all came from. But I had to take almost 2 weeks off from the game because I could not stand the constant crying.
Keep kicking tail gang yer all awesome.

I am the eternal PuGer

My typical time to play is between midnight and 6 am NA, ( i am a Chef as my screen name implies so my hours are all sorts of not normal.)

I will be completely honest.
IN my 2 years of PuGing.
with the exception of the ocasional run with dungeon forum regulars. (which number of runs i can count on 2 hands)

I have never seen 25 stacks of might.
I have never seen a 5 person DpS group.
I have never seen a Sword, Warhorn/axe Ranger.
I have never seen a dagger Necromancer.
I have to run Gaurd in Fractals because wall of reflection and hammer is not what being a gaurdian is about… 0.o
Kohler is skipped 19 out of 20 times..
Lupi is either rage quit or ranged. Melee involves at least 5 wipes. (as i am not quite good enough to solo him… YET)
i am sure i could think of more if i really thought about it.
…. ((sobs))

When you are standing at the hill…
overlooking the wonderfull scenery and the impending frustration you are about to embark on for a gold star next to your name.

Fleshy is your only friend.
he does not have to work. just be there. mindlessly lurching along ..

When a typical guild group is….

Celestial Warrior,
PvT shout warrior,
WvW shout Gaurd,
Torment Mesmer,

meh, … YoLo,

I love my people, But I tend to PuG alot

2 thieves,

one with Berserker and Scholar, (Dungeon and Fractal Runner)

one with Valk, and 2 dire. 1 dire with Krait, one dire with perplexity. ( WvW)

xihorus.2804:

WvW map completion is not a joke. The problem is for the PvE crowd is they wait do WvW map completion last, after getting all the PvE maps done first. It is really easy to get all the POIs and Vistas for the color that your server is currently, unless you are matched up against a server that constantly steamrolls your side during the hours you play.

My suggestion to the PvE crowd is to go into WvW, get all the POIs and Vistas for your color, and log out. Resets happen on Fridays, check then if your server has changed color. If not, wait another week.

I wish I could feel sympathy for you, but I simply cannot. There have been countless times where I have seen our server be assigned a certain color that we haven’t been for weeks, and then promptly notify guild members to suggest they pop into WvW to grab needed POIs and Vistas. The normal response? I’ll worry about WvW after I finish all the PvE maps.

Another option would be to, oh say, hop into WvW and join up with your fellow players from your server. I have seen many times a commander lead a zerg of 20+ to take a tower or keep because one person needed a POI.

VERY much this.

as a casual WvW, even i have tagged up and lead a small group of people around getting various PoI and vistas.

I have no sympathy for anyone unwilling to try. I cannot tell you how many times i have heard that exact thing. "" hey gang, i got a group in WvW taking stuff and getting pois if you want or need them"… "" ohh i will worry about it after everything else. "

(facepalm)

with the influx of stuff and things into the sPvP world from PvE. (dungeon tracks etc)

it would not shock me if they added some kind of requirement.

personally i think they should. even if its something simple as rank 10. or even 20

dear gods the cries over having to get rank 30 in WvW was horendous.

the only problem i see is of it is not done carefully, conditions will exceed over powered in a single switch. You cant really separate this type of “condi stack” between the game modes it just would be stupidly complicated and i doubt it would ever really work correctly.

that being said. Having some of the suggested ideas although would work in theory. it would cause some serious over powered condi bombs in PvP and WvW.

in a game mode that has half of the people in them complaining that conditions are already over powered.

(shrug)

for every 25 stacks of bleeding, a stack of “hemorrhaging” is applied.
regular bleed stack resets for new stack.

hemorrhaging
duration 5 seconds
damage 5000/second
maximum stack 25

something like that??
instead of increasing the cap, perhaps add a new “condition”

medohgeuh.4650:

.

if you dont like stacking

DONT DO IT.

it REALLY is that simple.

if you feel it is an Exploit. or anything is an exploit for that manner. I STONGLY suggest reporting it in the bug forum.

I will say it again,

if you are against stacking,

DO
NOT
STACK

it really is that easy.

good luck out there. Have fun!

Ross Biddle.2367:

Mesmer works amazing with Rabid. Either full rabid condi, or half rabid hybrid (zerk/rabid. rabid/cav). Part of the reason being that clones/phants proc bleed on crit with 3 in dueling.

ohh good to know,
I have a friend that runs a Torment Mesmer. I tend to only see her in some of the random Dungeon runs i do with her occasionally. So I am not aware of how potent it could be somewhere where it would be useful. ((shrug))

Shortbow
Sword/ torch.

4: (3, 7)
6: (2,8,11)
4: (5,7)
0,
0,

It is what I run and it works for me currently. Solo PvE, and WvW

Necromancer,
Ranger,
Warrior,
Thief,
Engineer,

All have abilities to use the rabid setup to great effect.

I honestly cannot answer for Mesmers.

Elementalist,
Guardian,

not as much. they just do not have good synergy with conditions. ( at least in my experience)

robertul.3679:

“All mobs grant retaliation to each other when within 200range”. There you go. 2 birds 1 stone and all that.

yes…..

then Mesmers boon strip will be usefull again, And Necromancers can corrupt it….

I am ok with this.

then those of us that know, can pack all the trash into a nice package, strip the retal. and proceed to kill.

and everyone else will throw themselves onto the retal and die and then come to the forums complaining its to hard and to bring back stacking…

0.o

of the 3 precursors i have been witness to dropping.

1 was from a trash flame legion in Iron marches. (Dusk)
1 was from Trash mob during the escort the pact event to rally in Straights of devastation. ( dawn)
1 was from a trash mob in cursed shore ( MInstrel )

(shrug)
just something to add to your thought process.

As the influx of new players come into the dungeons of tyria. I realize those of us that have been around for awhile do need to temper our reactions periodically.

that being said.

Solution:

Dont stack.

Its really that easy.

Coming back to the actual concept. Take a moment and realize that changing existing game elements, maps, enemies and the like to “deter stacking” is not going to happen. time money, man hours and resources better spent elsewhere.

It is not going to change. The ONLY the that can change right now is YOUR view and thought process. So rather than Come to the forums and chastise whomever. Ask different questions.

Why do people stack?
What do i do if I don’t want to?
HOW do i “stack” correctly?
what is actually happening in the stack.

I can assure you that a vast majority of dungeon runners will arbitrarily stack somewhere and honestly have no idea why, how, or what goes on. As you spend you time learning how you class works. and how the Dungeon works you will find yourself “stacking” less and less. as you will have a better understanding of what is actually happening.

I would encourage you to Seek out the Guild [PASS] " players against stacking and skipping". I do not have their contact info handy perhaps someone might see this and poke in. If they are still running??

Bottom line.
The game is not going to change any time soon.
the only thing that can change is how YOU interact with it.

If you don’t want to stack… don’t. it really is that simple.

Makes sense,

Method of Motivation I guess. Nothing wrong with exploring and just goofing around. And I confess i have seen some really cool screen shots taken from some of those High points.

Warrior is a solid B average student.

while his peers are all taking AP courses. but failing gym.

0.o

what did that bird ever do to you!!!!!!

:)

IvanTheGrey.2941:

J Eberle.9312:

If you are the single guardian in a fractal party then you should try a Knight’s/or zerker gear hammer build.

Full guide here: http://www.dtguilds.com/forum/m/6563292/viewthread/12501056-dnt-guardian-build-5914

Scroll down until you see the hammer build used for fractals.

Listen to her.

seconded.

She, and the Gentleman that wrote that guide are easily 2 of the best guardians in game.

i am in a serious state of WTF.

You got it all wrong. I don’t think that Thieves shouldn’t support, rather I am being realistic that Thieves cannot support outside Shadow Refuge.

Many Thieves have been trying to get ArenaNet’s attention concerning the Thieves incapability to support a team outside Shadow Refuge. Instead, they give us other “fixes” that many Thieves never asked for.

I am willing to not say anything. As i am open to the possibility that that particular gentleman may actually be right. but something tells me otherwise…

honest question…

is it a bad thing or good thing that i have never once even LOOKED for the arah billy goat paths…

much less used them.

Zenith.7301:

I’m just glad to see 2 years later and this game still hasn’t done kitten about rangers or the fact that guardians trivialize every aspect of this game.

.

0.o

no really….

o.0

i dont…. you know what… never mind ignore me.

spoj.9672:

NovaanVerdiano.6174:

Just had a staff-camping guardian as me this on fracs 49… “Do you play your dagger necro in melee? I mean you must die all the time.” Didn’t know I can play dagger with 1200 range.

Its called leeching.

SHHH!!!!

geez spoj,

:)

on a different note though… who is the leecher? the staff Gaurd? or the Dagger necro?
0.o

RyuDragnier.9476:

why should you even play DPS as a Thief if Warrior can do it better?

0.o

((facepalm))

0.0

((standing ovation))