Guild Wars 2

Necro with Greatsword …

Secondary professions…

Legendary weapons confirmed.

CureForLiving.5360:

JustTrogdor.7892:

Heart of Maguuma, new maps announced.

Not a map necessarily

3 new areas,1 map.

I want payment model before everything else but they would probably say it last…

Lazaar.9123:

Well, there we go, staying at level 80 confirmed.

Kitten yeah.

Basaltface.2786:

its an expansion!

Let me see the features and payment before I get hyped… Please don’t raise level cap…

I would be dead laughing if the crowd boos lol they are teasing them so much. The wait is too intense surprised they didn’t give out the pitchforks just in case sigh live shows…

Torsailr.8456:

Given the undeserved hype for it? Probably laugh.

I feel bad supporting this comment lol. Only a soft balance would maintain my happiness.

Chrispy.5641:

VaaCrow.3076:

Derigar.7810:

Pockets.3201:

We really don’t need more professions when they can’t handle balancing the ones they already have.

Also, mesmers already have a time warp.

You haven’t even read the entire thread, by looking at your time of posting this reply. I don’t think your post is really justified unless you take the effort to read it…

Edit: To elaborate on your reply…
A mesmer focuses on illusions and phantasms. Also, a mesmer doesn’t fulfil any terrain manipulative options (as in depth) as a Chronomancer would.

It would also be VERY easy to change the name of “Time Warp” on the Elite skill of the mesmer, if that really bugs you.

His reply made perfect sence, they allready cannot balance the 8 existing proffesions well enough, why add a 9th and make that job even harder?

The game was never balanced. GW1 was never balanced. Neither game will ever be balanced. The biggest MMORPS’s of all time were never fully balanced. Its not going to happen.

Using the lack of perfect balance as a lame excuse to never add anything new is exactly that, a lame excuse.

So it’s like being hit with a new stick instead of the one your skin already got used to mmm k k . Perfect balance is not possible but a soft one yes and it is reachable if they would balance more frequently and properly. You really trust them to add a new class,weapons or even traits?? +1 to OP for the concept tough.

Coulter.2315:

Atherakhia.4086:

Fire and Air needs to be toned down. I think most everyone agrees with this. The only people I see even partly in favor of them stacking is Thieves, and their only concern is that sword has been nerfed so heavily that it relies on the synergy between fire and air to remain functional. They’re right.

Fire and Air needs to be nerfed (may as well just remove air from the game imo), but Thieves probably need to be improved in the same patch.

What makes you think they need buffed? Do you believe they should be allowed to ignore all the + damage traits in favour of defensive or utility traits while still being bursters? Do you think 20066 is the trait setup designed for damage and not just taking advantage of free damage sent from Fire+Air?
No Thieves do not need buffed but they may need to make a choice or two and get Critical Strikes again (like they used to before Fire+Air was gifted to them).

This guy gets it but a middle ground still need to exist not just full burst,condi,tank… Maybe they will improve Deadly Arts to compete with Critical Strikes. Need more frequent balance changes they have no idea the success they’re missing.

Too late now grinding is excuse for lack of content and reason some want expansions. If a game focuses on “the real thing start at max level” will succeed over the one who divides content in levels which people skip… One that would have no levels and just pure exploration/content based on lore would reign supreme and can provide challenging pve everywhere with better pvp gear balance why has no one though of that? New mmos need to get rid of levels just like generic questing,gender lock… End the thread this would never happen that’s a rework on all the game while the class balance is ticking me off.

Edit: I’m biased on tab target.. BnS (and BDO) has soft lock but has great combat something like DN is too much compared to C9 … maybe GW3??

misterman.1530:

This. This right here is why I don’t PvP.

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/online_gaming

+1 Too good man too good however not 100% accurate.

IndigoSundown.5419:

I’d much rather see more max level zones that aren’t Dry Top and Silverwastes.

Why the hate on Silverwastes?? Also I predict major disappointment since everyone has their own version of non confirmed expansion/content…

Wut… lol… please remove all “zerker” ‘s from the thread those are not zerker only related changes and the thread falls apart. Balance changes every 2-3 months would do the trick if they haven’t realised it yet.

Novuake.2691:

Sagat.3285:

insanemaniac.2456:

xDudisx.5914:

insanemaniac.2456:

Sagat.3285:

Engi CC,condition and boon duration are too long. Confusion,vulnerability,swiftness,retaliation,regen need duration shave and the CC need new animation.

im confused about the boon duration part. are you referring to turret engis? the only boon celengi builds abuse is battle sigil’s might.

People are trying to get all the positive effects from all builds and say it is on celestial rifle hahahaha. Maybe they should also say that engis have pets, clones, virtues, banners, can 1shot from 5k range, perma stealth,etc..

Just a apathetic attempt to get rage against the engi class.

i saw that from his response

just a teef who gets rekt so fast he has no time to think about what the engi is doing. its how it should be i guess, since engi has good matches against teef in general. i bet he thinks mesmers are underpowered too.

Not all I play every class from more thief to ele less for safety purposes, I also mentioned that I don’t care about celestial since I usually won against them and I run condi or CC spec and I am no 1v1 hero luckily . Don’t make me teach you how to read please. Celestial has nothing to do with it it’s engi nature that is the issue.

I played celestial,rabid,SD,FT burst and even turreteer in pvp, I run perplexity in wvw and FT zerk in pve I am familiar with the class. Also lol I love fighting mesmer,war and ranger.

But hate the necros? Don’t you?
Good thing they are VERY few and far between in Roaming WvW these days.

Stop guessing lol I am waiting for self traited healing to work in DS and balance it ,stay on topic lol.

Acrisor.8097:

I love it how everyone makes an opinion, writes it here, and after changes come they start raging on forums because the balance is not right in their personal opinion.
I think customers should start acting like customers and just enjoy the game as is.

Are you saying the game had a soft balance and fairness since beta?

insanemaniac.2456:

xDudisx.5914:

insanemaniac.2456:

Sagat.3285:

Engi CC,condition and boon duration are too long. Confusion,vulnerability,swiftness,retaliation,regen need duration shave and the CC need new animation.

im confused about the boon duration part. are you referring to turret engis? the only boon celengi builds abuse is battle sigil’s might.

People are trying to get all the positive effects from all builds and say it is on celestial rifle hahahaha. Maybe they should also say that engis have pets, clones, virtues, banners, can 1shot from 5k range, perma stealth,etc..

Just a apathetic attempt to get rage against the engi class.

i saw that from his response

just a teef who gets rekt so fast he has no time to think about what the engi is doing. its how it should be i guess, since engi has good matches against teef in general. i bet he thinks mesmers are underpowered too.

Not all I play every class from more thief to ele less for safety purposes, I also mentioned that I don’t care about celestial since I usually won against them and I run condi or CC spec and I am no 1v1 hero luckily . Don’t make me teach you how to read please. Celestial has nothing to do with it it’s engi nature that is the issue.

I played celestial,rabid,SD,FT burst and even turreteer in pvp, I run perplexity in wvw and FT zerk in pve I am familiar with the class. Also lol I love fighting mesmer,war and ranger.

insanemaniac.2456:

Sagat.3285:

Engi CC,condition and boon duration are too long. Confusion,vulnerability,swiftness,retaliation,regen need duration shave and the CC need new animation.

im confused about the boon duration part. are you referring to turret engis? the only boon celengi builds abuse is battle sigil’s might.

Not talking about celestial don’t even care as long as I can evade knockbacks and pull and not be punished too much from staying at melee range on a point I am fine. Engi can stack might just by taking rifle,bomb kit,elixir gun,strength runes don’t even have to use Battle S.

Engi is fragile to me since I usually play condi and/or CC spec but as soon as I am on that point hell breaks out,pushes me away ,or as soon as he notice me at ranged it’s chaos. The boons provided by alchemy and Speedy Kits added with the randomness of condition they apply is personally a real hussle,they last too long especially confusion as well as the CC. Engi shouldn’t semi stun lock but rather interrupt skills. I dodge the CC then I get burned,confused,poisoned and they want me to cap with no stealth or ranged, I use Thieves Guild now just because the venom stun won’t save me vs crate.

God forbid I miss my Steal or decaping put me in the same situation. My attacks shouldn’t be neutralized with him having many options left ele is much more fair and telegraph/predictable engi is just vicious cycle of bull kitten was fine with it before but I doubt my self after this patch.

Is it so hard to change it from Blinding Powder to Smoke Screen??? That other trait would work better with it than Last Refuge just a quick switch, simple.

Engi CC,condition and boon duration are too long. Confusion,vulnerability,swiftness,retaliation,regen need duration shave and the CC need new animation. They are fragile enough if you can avoid the CC look also in some stun break CD. Sigil of Torment is coming you cannot ignore some kind of shave to engi unless you update my cleansing or stun break I was already doing fine vs most eles. Waiting on that TDM queue…

6 conquest maps 1 TDM map …’nough said. I still pvp tough and got over the build diversity limit.

messiah.1908:

what about the torment sigil aoe
do they want to make the condi mesmer more effective in pvp?

Please add shatter condi ,PU doesn’t stealth as much as people think…. but kitten yeah they are but don’t worry at some point zerker/rabid shatter will become celestial with Staff and might on shatter it’s bound to happen they tend to not create proper counters cough..boon hate..cough…cough…

Patchi.9061:

Arachnid.4062:

Laraley.7695:

Arachnid.4062:

Chaith.8256:

Simonoly.4352:

“Dev note: This penalty felt unnecessary and it wasn’t fun”

This was quite important for me to see. There are quite a few skills in the game that just aren’t particularly fun due to various penalties and lack of rewards for landing as a part of a combo. So I’m glad to see some concerns over this from the balance team.

In particular, I really would love for the Mesmer scepter auto-attack to be revised. It is so painfully slow that even with the new torment it’s still not fun to use. The after-cast from Ether Clone is really quite crippling for chaining attacks. It kind of feels wrong that Mesmer, a class that thematically exudes such finesse, has such a clunky auto-attack chain.

I would prefer people to not spam torment with finesse, thanks.

I dunno, I think condi mesmer is a fair bit more balanced than Engineers currently, and spams less condis too. At least it has a role as “duelist” instead of the Cele Rifle role of “Duelist, Team Fighter, Support, Bunker, Home Node Defender”

Lol wat. A fair bit more balanced than Engineers? You mean dodge three times to get clones up and then camp in stealth and wait for them to apply condis? How can you even say torment on AA and balanced in the same sentence. It’s crap, that’s why no one uses it. But that build is far far far from being balanced.

Let me know when you see a Condi mesmer used in 5v5 conquest pvp in a high level tournament, thanks.

Also let me know the next time you see a time run double Cele Engineer.

It’s a conquest game, you need to cap points/keep them decapped. Mesmers fail at both. Condi mesmers are sustained fighters, unless you’re willing to fight for 30s-1minute against a person on a point that’s not urs, be my guest and good luck not getting +1d.

Seen my fair share of condi shatter mesmer there and there it will be more common at some point(they’re buffing it low key), waiting for the general migration from zerker/rabid to celestial so I can say :“I predicted it!!!”.

Shadelang.3012:

This is so biased its sad hahahaha

^Hehe

Feral.3609:

Something I would like to see is a rework of the skill you obtain from stealing from an engineer. When you steal from every other class you get something that can effectively disable or turn the fight in your favour if used properly.. Maybe it’s just me, but the engineers stolen item I feel doesn’t do more than waste a second of valuable dps getting rid of it. xD

Not every thief is power and the extra condi/confusion especially help vs ele/engi/mesmer if you can CC them or use combo finishers ,sure it can prevent stealth but it has it’s uses. On topic a few condi trappers exist and I appreciate the IP buff like using it in pve. They just need to do those every 3 months.

Nice if they can do this every 2-3 months just enough time to let changes sink in, the road to a soft balance would be shorter. Don’t forget class specific needs like variety for thief, healing necros,condition guard… and a TDM queue,keep those in mind.

Biohazard.7523:

Who cares if they add anything if they are not going to fix bugs.
They have a lots of bugs in dungeons, fractals, pve.
Reward system is awful. So if they add new stuff, the kitten will be the same…
If they add new stuff there will be more stuff that they will not be able to fix.

The game will be the same after 1 month, when you complete everything new.

^This and the fact that others mentioned wishing may be pointless also that it’s not proven to be an expansion or the one you would like it to be. Especially the addition of classes huggghh bad traits,useless/OP in conquest since some ignore TDM, mechanic,pve… If they aren’t capable of managing what they already implemented more unstable content is bond to carry more bad then good. They do what they want but hype disappointment is player made.

I LOLed at the whole thread even if anything mentioned here happens more issues over other issues so it balances it self in terms of bad or good. I’ll believe it when I see it hopefully from impressed eyes.

mistsim.2748:

with the upcoming cele nerf, things should be pretty good. also cant wait for new game mode and expansion.

I LOLed so much at this -9000 to you and +1 to OP ’s overall idea but he lacks the details.

SoulSin.5682:

“Conquest” mentality

^ It’s about time we get TDM queue, most teams don’t even bother adapting their specs, I hate blowout matches you might as well be a bot.

SoulSin.5682:

They should make 2 more TDM maps and remove then from the Conquest List.

This way we can enjoy this game mode meanwhile the haters play their point game.

thefantasticg.3984:

Even in the one deathmatch map just had it ruined by turret engie that the team just bunked around. Just couldn’t get close.

Happiness runs through me when fighting them and my team as 3 pew pew rangers, let me guess everyone was running head on glass melee which is fading away?

Doomdesire.9365:

The fact that you should have to ignore a turret engi and let him have a point just strengthens the idea that they’re too powerful. No class should be able to singly handedly hold a point like the current turret engis do. Not even bunker guardians or warriors in their prime were as effective.

That is their only purpose..not defending the point but holding it like a tower defense game. They are killable just not with most meta specs(of course) and other non conquest actions. I personally don’t understand why conquest is the main mode but turrets should rule(they are not) in it logic wise. If you can’t beat it you can still out rotate and win.

Harbinger.8637:

Of course it’s was fake, this part made me laugh:

Amplified Wrath: Burning damage bonus of this trait decreased from 33% to 20%.
Too high of burn damage is gimmicky. Condition Guardian will be compensated in other ways.

Didn’t even bother going that far I’m doing the same right now lol.

You should take off #4 some specs and weapons are ignored due to lack of efficiency, fix the existing instead of piling it up. Get out of your comfort zone and see why no one uses them.

Saw IP icon… fake saw carrion and rabid nerf…balthazar runes nerf.. no doubt fake.

posthumecaver.6473:

you mean watching thieves spamming 2 is more interesting, yeah right, Ele with Engi most complex class to play in this game, I rather watch them all then a Ranger spamming 1, Hambow spamming burst skill, etc…

This guy makes a point, you get little action from zerkers anyway too fast,off point,stealthed,overusage of AA who can enjoy that? If you believe it’s OP ask buff of boon hate which barely exists.

DevilsGlare.7658:

Saiyan.1704:

You’re all pointing fingers at the celestial amulet when it CAN’T be used for every class. Guardians/thiefs/mesmers/rangers Suck with celestial amulet while engis/eles/warriors excels with them.

Stop talking about the amulet. Talk about what these “op” classes have in common and why…

Just because something can’t be used for every class, doesn’t mean it isn’t too strong. That’s like saying… “Oh not every class can use Dhuumfire, therefore necros aren’t OP.” Same for Spirits, Hambow, Double Shatter, Double blasting Evasive Arcana, etc.

The amulet, combined with the runes and sigils is exactly what makes these professions OP in the current state of the meta. Both Engineer and Ele utilize these stats to the maximum potential, where as other class are falling short. If you want to run a hybrid/bruiser build, then good on you. But, a bruiser build shouldn’t reap the damage it does, as well as the sustain.

That was a poor response using class specific traits not open to all classes or specs… I see it two ways no one wants to play the counters because they are not conquest meta,are afraid of TDM,most of you play zerker but conquest forces you to tank AoE which both those specs has. See the issue there even I rarely lose when using a condi spec vs them because I refuse to focus on melee damage without being tanky and it is a usable weakness I rather have glass ranged like s/f ele or a good power ranger that won’t take the AoE. Sure I am not on point but why am I 1v1 him if I’m not going to cap it’s a team match not a forbidden duel.

Before celestial it’s you, your mentality and spec you are probably glass trying to stay on point vs a AoE semi-tank….dumb I wouldn’t be surprised if nothing change about them . Reintroduced the corruption necro and fix their team sustain as well as other boon hate specs. Uses your tools and brain no need to dumb down a mistake so many of you made.

Again poor response…..

Ash ketchum.2051:

Yeah, or they should make a trait from it. Rangers can carry their spirits with them also by traiting. Maybe a trait that allows all turrets to have wheels? i think this seems balanced

Get ready for crit,boons and condis on your turrets if they are allowed to move.

What were you and your team doing?

All this could be solve through reintroducing the corruption necro and the class in general into the meta I sense favoritism in this thread. Nerf usually doesn’t come with buffs and still leave the supposed counters underwhelming. I find engi stronger than ele and less predictable but it’s not a celestial thing it’s a counter thing they are lacking.

Changing this meta will result in an other one and the cycle. Why dumb it down just make the tool useful and we will use them ,create more viable specs with existing counters and the game will improve. The conquest style encourages melee spec that will intake AoE and that is not a good thing if you are using zerker amulet which nost people in this thread do. The game mode matters as well, the game is choking on it self but it will eventually work out but as long as you are focused on amulet,risk/reward,conquest and not getting out of your comfort zone it will take a while(years) to achieve.

Years… GW2 can but not with the current mindset and I do feel like the PvP team is lacking….years…. I would be maining another game by then.

Cynz.9437:

Mikali.9651:

It’s true tho. Turrets have insane amount of defense, it should be reduced at least by 60%! There is no reason for them to be so tanky

the real question is why they are doing so much dmg while being so tanky…

at least mm necro pets are relative easy to kill

Turrets don’t move and an engi with no kits is incomplete in performance there is a reason you will see it more often than MM which sucks from my encounter with them or maybe I fought bad ones or maybe it’s just necro or the supposed to be complex AI. In a short way ask your self why do they remain in pvp rather conquest?

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

Sagat.3285:

scerevisiae.1972:

celestial ain’t the problem, it’s might stacking.

It’s not, ele is a “celestial class” no matter what you do it, due to their mechanic it wouldn’t make sense if celestial wasn’t their optimal spec. Look at engi..what reliable engi spec you know that doesn’t use kits…mix of kit results in spec somewhat similar to ele mechanic. I’m not sure what most find broken on ele since I find engi a harder matchup.

Also take in the conquest factor, no one runs a corruption necro around or whatever possible boon hate spec out there. Aren’t we supposed to counter specs using tools given to us? Take a look at boon hate(Mimic as well) and AoE offense and defense. There is no need to shave other than some parts of engi just give us the counters we will use them if they are implemented properly the meta will change and balance it self out for now . Who expect to win vs condi or CC if they don’t bring counters??

Boon corruption necros do see a lot of play. They still have a tough time (though nowhere near as tough as anyone else) with CEles because they are reliant on one 40 second cooldown to really crack them.

The fact that the counter to CEles is “Corrupt Boon” doesn’t leave a whole lot in the way of answers.

Not just Corrupt Boon for necro also Unholy Feast,Spinal Shivers,Well of Corruption, Chill of Death,Path of Corruption and Necromantic Corruption the necro has the tools but the class counter it self in sustain and weakens as the foes increase in numbers. You would be surprised if necro was improved how much it would affect the current meta currently nerfs are a negative since it will ignore one issue and worsen an existing one.

I always wonder why they prioritize nerf request and put on the side improvements of UP traits and skills.

stinkypants.8419:

If I’m about to lose a fight… I run away.

caveman.5840:

hopefully (black desert online) does not end up like archeage lol

C9,Vindictus and BDO have similar devs there is no trinity in the game and I don’t trust balance based on those two . So far to heal you use potions with CD and arena pvp is absent meaning open world season as soon as you reach 40 with PK and victim penalties the game got popular due the sandbox genre(housing,mount..) and graphics(customization,environment..). Sure it’s in beta but I prefer Lost Ark due to the company and dev.

scerevisiae.1972:

celestial ain’t the problem, it’s might stacking.

It’s not, ele is a “celestial class” no matter what you do it, due to their mechanic it wouldn’t make sense if celestial wasn’t their optimal spec. Look at engi..what reliable engi spec you know that doesn’t use kits…mix of kit results in spec somewhat similar to ele mechanic. I’m not sure what most find broken on ele since I find engi a harder matchup.

Also take in the conquest factor, no one runs a corruption necro around or whatever possible boon hate spec out there. Aren’t we supposed to counter specs using tools given to us? Take a look at boon hate(Mimic as well) and AoE offense and defense. There is no need to shave other than some parts of engi just give us the counters we will use them if they are implemented properly the meta will change and balance it self out for now . Who expect to win vs condi or CC if they don’t bring counters??

Wait until 2016 for Lost Ark,maybe the next big thing watch 8 and 19 minutes trailers and Black Desert,not as impressive or balanced pvp wise so far I’m staying calm until I try both. I went from C9 to GW2 the combat there is great everything else,gear,lag,hackers,farming,.. went down #wastedpotential

Rumors of Blade and Soul coming in 2015 as well.

Holl.3109:

Condi guardian doesn’t exist. It’s hybrid, bullet, hybrid.

^This for pvp and the same goes for thief,you only skip rabid if your HP is too low and lack on crit condi traits. In this case skill solidifies the build like it does with most, don’t compare it to most turret specs. Celestial guard is a thing even traditional med guard is kind of hybrid.

Can it? Premade or luck it shouldn’t be allowed btw all thieves run SR in TDM expect a SA roamer as well at best. Any of 3 is either a blessing or a curse.