Guild Wars 2

dominik.9721:

Probably, Rytlock saw the bunch of bad people complaining about the warrior,allthough the warrior is part of the meta in top pvp teams and speedclearing.
After reading those tears ,he was so ashamed that he quit.

2/10 wouldnt read again

Loex.5104:

ronpierce.2760:

They may have reconsidered even having costs tied to weapon skills. Might have felt weird having these small trickle costs affecting management for utilities. I don’t know for sure, but I could see why they’d do it. The weapon costs were insignificant enough to not matter for the resource (very much) but significant enough to sort of throw off timing for utilities. We’ll just have to see.

sure but we know that a 30s cd is unaccaptable for a non weapon-swap class
and the longest CD on weapons from the POI / Demo was 15s (skill 5)

let’s wait … and i even hope that the sword is viable with power-spec … the kitten hybrid thing is the reason why my warrior doesn’t wield swords >.<

Welcome to the club bro.

But hammer, mace/axe skills doesnt listen energy cost either. And i agree, make sword 100% power based please..Im sick of warrior hybrid sword already as i dont enjoy these type of weapons. I dont want another hybrid on revenant as it will kill this weapon for me like it did on warrior..

skullmount.1758:

Remember guys, these are just dataminded placeholders. The numbers/abilities are definitely still subject to change.

Yeah hope so cause cd’s on staff and sword are way off compared to hammer and mace/axe. And shield is just a lol. Unless they plan to add boring cd wep reduction traits for these..

PeteMerc.3745:

Sword3 seems to be the skill what Rythlock used the trailer

Nope. http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Riposting_Shadows

lighter.2708:

i noticed all power based damage seem extremly low
and staff skills has way too long cooldown for class who has no weapon swap

Olny on screenshot. If you compare the tooltips in game chat – hammer 2 at max range is slighty stronger than arcing slide performed under 50%, hammer 1 on the other hand is slighty lower than long range shot at max range. I have to agree with too high cd’s tho.

Duke Blackrose.4981:

Scoobaniec.9561:

Bahlol.6125:

Shiro Elite skill is basically a ranged AoE Basilisk Venom
https://i.imgur.com/nlhavYI.png

Where you found that? Kinda interesing that this elite is 90cd considering revenant mechanic.

Could you imagine a Thief spamming a two second stun on initiative? Didn’t think so.

This kind of move will require a large amount of balancing and reworking if it is to work on Energy.

There the catch tho, you can in theory spam pull on Jalis (50 energy). I think 90cd is way too much unless his other utilities makes up for that. One we know is http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Riposting_Shadows from the trailer.

Vortok.6975:

It’s funny how you see warrior community not happy with the warrior, what are you guys gonna play now? You should go in others forums and see how the ranger and necro community tell to reroll warrior, they’ll come here only to find what? Warrior is allright, what’s difficult now is everybody know how to fight against a warrior. Other than that it’s really strong, stronger than ranger and necro.

Revenant ofc. Have you seen hammer? Its has higher dps than your gs hahah. On top of that its a range weapon. And melee staff? Have mercy, i dont want to run into one as war.

And while necro is weak, i completely disagree with ranger being weak as well. Properly played pewpew ranger in open field in wvw is unkillable 1v1 – tested by me, 6 days of solo roaming never lost 1v1 and i pulled out some 1v2 as well. And mind you that i dont use ascended stuff on him nor any food. Its much harder to do that on a warrior.

aspirine.6852:

Ventari elite skill is grow some lettuce?

Ventari might be cc based, vines and such..But i doubt it

Bahlol.6125:

Shiro Elite skill is basically a ranged AoE Basilisk Venom
https://i.imgur.com/nlhavYI.png

Where you found that? Kinda interesing that this elite is 90cd considering revenant mechanic.

http://i.imgur.com/SjX7u2A.png

Personally i had hope for sword to be pure power based.. Staff range is a lol i and yet to this day i wonder why gs is 120 range just like dagger. Overall im a bit dissapointed as it seems olny hammer and staff are power based and rest is pretty much a hybrid. I hope im wrong as im really looking forward. I dont see a lot of mobility either which means either we got trolled or we have to pick a legend for it.

Staff 3 seems to be a channeled block with counterattack.

Staff animations?
0;54 – last skill on aa chain, red charr whirling in the gate with a staff
1;23 – again red charr doing some attack with staff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eONphVCLoc

UPDATE;

Shiro elite outdated ( cus CD) placeholder [&B3ttAAA=]
New sword and dagger skills in attachment

I wish they could stop with dog like faces for a charr. The starter ones are decent but all the new ones are a downhill.

Ps still waiting for new horns and tail customization.

Knighthonor.4061:

Scoobaniec.9561:

Imho considering the fact that every class gets new utility type with specializations, its possible we will get another legend. We have 3 good, 2 bad. Who could that be?

The ones that was datamined are created to base class as we dont see anything datamined related to specializations yet.

Keep in mind, we don’t even know if the Revenent’s specialization will use legends, or energy system, since mechanic change they said..

And yet druids still uses pets.. I doubt they take away legends as in this case you would limit him to olny 5 skills in utility bar – lol

Are we #Esport yet?

Imho considering the fact that every class gets new utility type with specializations, its possible we will get another legend. We have 3 good, 2 bad. Who could that be?

The ones that was datamined are created to base class as we dont see anything datamined related to specializations yet.

5 legends, 4 utility per one. Ty for info OP!

Same here. My fps dropped by a good 15fps when i have a lot of ppl on my screen.

Many.8419:

They have to berf other professions so revenant can be considered op and this is the way they can force ppl to buy expac

Bro, do you even revenant? His mobility outside of combat will be probably the same as guardian (need a target) just look at axe 4. Mobility in combat – hes supposed to be as mobile as thief out of combat from what we have read in one of the interviews, but just like guardian he wont be able to escape either.

Also generally guardian is supposed to be a bunker class. I think JI will be fine in combat, but this change most likely gonna kill sword unless they increase range to 900. Howered considering that guardian getting longbow (with pull!) and we dont know his new utilities as well i would w8 before saying that guardian is going to be a dead class. Patience ppl.

Aomine.5012:

If you don’t think it’s a big deal, you people who wield the legendaries yourself wouldn’t have propose it so strongly.

We can clearly see who is against sigil swap to legendaries. The ones that doesnt own it. Futher commend is pointless as anyone can figure it out.
As i said above, b….urt

Hahaha, dat b….urt of some ppl which doesnt have legendary weapon.

You know what? For the price of legendary weapon i could craft multiple ascended weapons instead to switch between them as i like. Stat change in many cases is useless as along with that you have to change sigils everytime and that is obvious for every user of legendary – something which many of you doesnt have hence the first line.

Windsagio.1340:

Glint seems likely mesmer type effects (and chronomancy)

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Glint

I dont see any mesmer here nor any support legend. Howered a mix of boon removal, healing, condition removal and some dps moves? Yeah o fc (lol dat censure!)

ps. my guess is one of glint abilities will turn us into a crystal which will heal us overtime and remove conditions -upkeep skill.

Knighthonor.4061:

Based on those photos, will Revenants also get stances?

If you think about stances = upkeep skills like the hammers spinning around you or mallyx elite which spread ebola to everything around you then yes.

xDudisx.5914:

SyG lasts only 5s now. Balance stance is 8s and gives swiftness. IMO 5stacks is a fair amount for balance stace, but SyG should be 3 or 4.

It last 5sec, but it also has 30cd and 24 when trained, and while it doesnt offer swift it offers retal instead. We cant even trait your stances for lower cd which is bs

Fatalyz.7168:

On topic: Revenant already looks to have strong support abilities, Projectile block, condi clears, aoe damage reduction, and that is just with what we know so far.

And might stacking, dat 3x blast finisher on 8cd.

Windsagio.1340:

Scoobaniec.9561:

Youre basically saying right now “its ok i have some cc skill which wont cc everytime but its nothing to worry about” either something work or doesnt. In current meta everyone can facetank hb. If thb skill fails at the olny thing it was supposed to do like many of forum user says – cleavinign bodies and yet it fails, then whats the point of this skill? Leave number 2 blank, noone will notice any difference anyway.

That’s… yeah. That’s something.

In PvE you’d largely be right, something works or something doesn’t.

HOWEVER; PvP is just as much about situational adjustment as it is about build. A large amount of the skill is getting someone to use up a skill or an ability at the wrong time, largely negating their usefulness. If you use your condition cleanse or stun break early, they’re effectively useless.

If you think of PvP as if it were PvE you’re only going to have frustration.

It doesnt apply to pve olny. It applies everywhere, even in real life.

So much talk about high risk high reward skills but yet when someone stood in the whole duration of hb he should be punished for it right? What happened instead? He dindt dropped below 50% whatsoever. He just facetanked it. Where is the reward you all speaking about cause i really dont see any reward see, the olny thing i see is some joke skill that has no place in this game.

Once it proven that the skill is useless your excuses are “it doesnt have to work all the time” like wtf? How about we put a rng of your dodge to work 30% of the time cause it doesnt have to work all the time? Its aint pve, it doesnt have to work all the time right?

Stances are dead, move along

Jerus.4350:

Scoobaniec.9561:

Jerus.4350:

Apolo.5942:

Jerus.4350:

Apolo.5942:

Windsagio.1340:

Apolo.5942:

Windsagio.1340:

So you can do it, but you have to make sacrifices?

Or you can use one of the many many other weapon combinations, some of which are exceptionally strong in PvP?

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The idea that a class with as many strong options as warrior is complaining about 1 skill that’s hard to use when compared to some of the other things out there is kind of nutty to me.

Thats because you should go back to reading comprehension 101. The title says Self Rooting Melee skills. NOT “One Hundred Blades”.

This applies to every other skills like this in the game, not just HB.

And yet, title aside the talk is mostly about 100B. As a few have mentioned, there’s a legitimate case to be made about the ranger 1h LS, but that’s not the focus of the complaints.

It’s also very different than 100B, in that it’s like a real root.

Still, I’m happy to go with what others said: There’s a valid complaint about ranger LS1. Warriors need to qwittheirkittenin’

No HB is the most obvious offender, but they all have the same problem.

And it’s an intended problem… so… yeah…

Yeah an Anet has never made mistakes in regards to GW2 and pvp, right?, the state of warrior in pvp at launch comes to mind…

Who said every weapon has to be perfectly suited for pvp though?

And you still have some very hard hitting abilities, great traveling speed, an evade, and 100blades still does an awesome job on a downed opponant if that’s something you need/want(rock someone while they’re attempting to pick them up, or finish them quickly when a stomp may not be as well suited for the job)

You certainly have better options in PVP but GS has it’s niche too. Just like some things are pretty /meh in PVE some things are the same in PVP.

Thx to Simon for the vid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYVD0VfwF74

^Pure zerk as you can see in subtitles, yet it failed at your “awesome job on a downed opponent” so what is really hb good at? Yeah, at nothing. It cant even cleave dead bodies and punish anyone who rez. And what about ppl that doesnt run full zerk build? Yeah..5k hb? 4k? Thats a joke. Where is that “reward”?

Hb is nothing else but a trash skill that should be deleted long time ago already. Wake up, its not 2012 nor 2013 anymore. I bet many of you still think that warrior has higher dps in pve as well?

Attacking 2 enemies with protection and curious if that engi had any healing power gear on. 10k damage is nothing to scoff at, but that doesn’t mean it’ll down everyone

Youre basically saying right now “its ok i have some cc skill which wont cc everytime but its nothing to worry about” either something work or doesnt. In current meta everyone can facetank hb. If hb is olny supposed to do like many of forum user says – cleaving bodies and yet it fails, then whats the point of this skill? Leave number 2 blank, noone will notice any difference anyway.

Fashion Mage.3712:

Well that’s nice, but just because they offer some support doesn’t make them support legends (not that taunting is support). Kind of like how the actual support legend will also offer some things that aren’t purely support.

Jalis is not “some support” hes pretty much oriented for support and groupplay. 3 out of 5 abilities are support. And taunt can be a support if lets say someone is really low on hp, you can taunt mob/player to get aggro giving your party member a breathing room to heal up or w/e. How is that not support?

By support legend you actually asking for a healer/tank role which wont happen.

I repeat myself but;

Scoobaniec.9561:

There wont be such thing as support legend either cause if we take a look at Mallyx and Jalis both offers teamgroup support actually;

Jalis;
-group damage reduction, aoe stunbreak <?
-group stability
-taunt to hold aggro for a moment (pvp thing)
-and they also talked in one of the interviews about one to call rune from the sky to create a safe zone for allies that they dindt showed us in demo. No idea what that" safe zone" supposed to mean as it can be basically anything.

Mallyx;
-group condition cleaning
-boonstrip

We might as well call Jalis as support legend based on that. But even then he still has offensive ability with hammers spinning around you and again – taunt, a cc. Which leads to the point that every legend will have some sort of support and dps.

Well it was obvious that the skill we have seen in the vid is a elite one actually. Always good to have a confirmation either way.

I hope we will see more skills like Mallyx elite as his effect is really good and well done – on top of that i think Mallyx will become a part of pve meta considering the +10% to all stats which means +10% to power, precision, crit dmg.

Another victim of NPE

Jerus.4350:

Apolo.5942:

Jerus.4350:

Apolo.5942:

Windsagio.1340:

Apolo.5942:

Windsagio.1340:

So you can do it, but you have to make sacrifices?

Or you can use one of the many many other weapon combinations, some of which are exceptionally strong in PvP?

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The idea that a class with as many strong options as warrior is complaining about 1 skill that’s hard to use when compared to some of the other things out there is kind of nutty to me.

Thats because you should go back to reading comprehension 101. The title says Self Rooting Melee skills. NOT “One Hundred Blades”.

This applies to every other skills like this in the game, not just HB.

And yet, title aside the talk is mostly about 100B. As a few have mentioned, there’s a legitimate case to be made about the ranger 1h LS, but that’s not the focus of the complaints.

It’s also very different than 100B, in that it’s like a real root.

Still, I’m happy to go with what others said: There’s a valid complaint about ranger LS1. Warriors need to qwittheirkittenin’

No HB is the most obvious offender, but they all have the same problem.

And it’s an intended problem… so… yeah…

Yeah an Anet has never made mistakes in regards to GW2 and pvp, right?, the state of warrior in pvp at launch comes to mind…

Who said every weapon has to be perfectly suited for pvp though?

And you still have some very hard hitting abilities, great traveling speed, an evade, and 100blades still does an awesome job on a downed opponant if that’s something you need/want(rock someone while they’re attempting to pick them up, or finish them quickly when a stomp may not be as well suited for the job)

You certainly have better options in PVP but GS has it’s niche too. Just like some things are pretty /meh in PVE some things are the same in PVP.

Thx to Simon for the vid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYVD0VfwF74

^Pure zerk as you can see in subtitles, yet it failed at your “awesome job on a downed opponent” so what is really hb good at? Yeah, at nothing. It cant even cleave dead bodies and punish anyone who rez. And what about ppl that doesnt run full zerk build? Yeah..5k hb? 4k? Thats a joke. Where is that “reward”?

Hb is nothing else but a trash skill that should be deleted long time ago already. Wake up, its not 2012 nor 2013 anymore. I bet many of you still think that warrior has higher dps in pve as well?

Im more curious if they could give us a option to run on 2 legs. I like running on 4 legs but without a 25%+ speed increase it really looking silly.

In b4 ascended runes and infusions ^^ but personally im looking forward to it along with legendary armor/trinkets.

Sorry to burst your bubbles but masteries are pve olny. The “advantage” is nothing else but specializations and new class. Howered there is also possiblity to have extra wvw abilities for HoT users olny on new maps.

So OP creating a new topic cause some random dude which noone even hear about streamed gw2 in his channel, i got it right? Will OP make a new topic if i start to stream as well?

Really its a new level of kitten in the head, its getting worse and worse everyday.
RIP XXI century – natural selection will take care of ya ^^

Hoaxintelligence.4628:

“we can all understand that this change wouldn’t be overpowered”
Ehhh whut?
How can your idea not be overpowered?
If your idea was implented. Then no warrior used precision cause they already crit everything. Full power toughness ferocity with massive crits is not overpowered? Learn the game

I dont support this idea, but arent you capable of doing that actually at some point? Full cavalier (knight for a bit more sustain dps) with either sigil of int or burst precision paired with kick>evi. You remain tanky yet your burst still hits for load of damage, and kick itself inst obvious as people arent used to physical utilities except bull rush, pair that with 20/16cd if trained and..sooner or later its going to hurt badly. We could also pair that with bolas – now thats some deadly combo..

Revenant next legend and greatsword skills leaked!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctW277Kpcv0

…maybe one day.

blakdoxa.7520:

Fought a hammer/gs warrior in pvp yesterday on my engy… Needless to say, the high risk/high reward play is DEFINITELY viable…

If engineer loses to a warrior… yeah ill better stop here.

Genesis.8572:

Belzebu.3912:

I bet that we’ll have Shiro as a legend, and it will be power based, I can see it having a smoke field.

I’m hoping not. With Mallyx we already have a servant of Abbadon. I would like a little more legend variety.

And what if we can channel Abbadon itself? Rebember i said it first.

raubvogel.5071:

sign – want them to swap weapons.

many times in this game you have to face a foe from the distance and sometimes melee so you should be able to choose an switch while in combat.

Its depends on profession. Guard can stay melee all day long. Also considering the high damage of hammer i doubt he will need to swap. Just carry weapons and based on encounter change them accordingly

meklin.4530:

omg finally a dev post about this matter, now ya’ll can shut up about purchasing it with gems

thank you Gaile

They wont stop like ppl that keep asking if revenant will get their own PS nvm the fact that it was confirmed few weeks ago that they wont

Diovid.9506:

Knighthonor.4061:

Tanky Legend
Condition Legend
Support Legend
Range Legend
Melee DPS legend

5 legends to come

I suspect it will actually be someting like:

Condition legend (weapons: mace/axe, trait stats: precision + condition damage)
Tank legend (weapon: hammer, trait stats: toughness + healing power)
Support legend (weapon: staff, trait stats: vitality + boon duration)
Damage legend (weapons: sword/dagger, trait stats: power + condition duration)

Axe is more of a utility weapon, and while it offers a chill and torment on pull it also has a nice power damage on 4. Cele/Siniter going to be strong with that one

Hammer has nothing to do with being a tanky weapon, it seems to be really a hard hitting dps weapon, like ranger lb but aoe focused.

There wont be such thing as support legend either cause if we take a look at Mallyx and Jalis both offers teamgroup support actually;

Jalis;
-group damage reduction, aoe stunbreak <?
-group stability
-taunt to hold aggro for a moment (pvp thing)
-and they also talked in one of the interviews about one to call rune from the sky to create a safe zone for allies that they dindt showed us in demo. No idea what that" safe zone" supposed to mean as it can be basically anything.

Mallyx;
-group condition cleaning
-boonstrip

We might as well call Jalis as support legend based on that. But even then he still has offensive ability with hammers spinning around you and again – taunt, a cc. Which leads to the point that every legend will have some sort of support and dps.

Example of Jalis also proves that each legend will have access to 4 utilities which means 5 legends 4 utility per legend = 20 utility skills. Also every class has 5 different utility types with 4 skills so it fits

And personally i dont like swap mechanic and i hope revenant wont have access to it – at this point they also have to make stronger weapon skills to compensate for lack of wep swap and both hammer and mace seems to actually doing that. I wont be surpised if hammer become first or second stronger ranged weapon in the game.

Nike.2631:

TexZero.7910:

runeblade.7514:

I disagree.

Self rooting melee skills is for the high risk and high reward which is needed for skill based games.

Meanwhile “Rapid Fire” exist and is basically a mobile, ranged version of Hundred Blades.

Risk, Reward ?

Tell ya what — I’ll swap you Rapid Fire + the dumb-as-rocks pet/medium armor/medium HP for your HB + a class mechanic that actually works/high armor/high HP and see if you feel the exchange is equitable. If you want the class as a whole, roll a Ranger, but you can’t take the skills one at a time. Sorry.

Weird cus i moved to pewpew ranger from warrior and right now i faceroll any warrior i meet, i dont even care what build they run. Youre free to try use that “high hp, high armor and f1” joke against me but i wont give you a bandage. Prepare to roflstomp and /laugh emotion.

And hb is not great anymore, its actually quite weak skill with all the nerfs that happened overtime. Axe aa is actually stronger than hb yet mobile. Where is dat high risk high reward ppl talking about? If anything its high fun watching some noob dying to hb and low reward considering it joke damage.

Rapid Fire is equal in damage actually as while it actually hit a bit less, it also takes shorter time to pull off (2, 1/2sec vs 3,5s).

From a point of pvp you never ever be able to press 2 on gs vs any decent player as its kitteneless ability unless you dedicate your offset/utility to land it and even then, ppl can break out of stun/immo without any problem, just look at staff mesmer which can teleport every 8 sec out of stun/immo. Theres no such thing as high risk high reward stuff anymore, get over it.

DarthMcCoy.8657:

Oh I have the tomes to make it to instant 80, I just don’t want to see a bunch of bads, running around, not knowing what they are doing and ruining everyone else gameplay just because they skipped the learning experience part.

Have you seen those players that instant level an ele to 80 and how bad they are?
Same concept.

And what will happen when ill be a better revenant on day 1 than you playing your main class for years? WIll i get a cookie?

In theory i already have figured everything out we seen about him and i dindt even played the class yet. Few hours of gameplay to practice positioning with him, proper utilization of energy, memorizing skills and done. Just bc youre bad and you have to learn something the “normal” slow way by pressing 1 and sometimes 2 doesnt mean that everyone else has the same problem.

Theres no such thing as learning experience part. You learn your class with all skills and traits unlocked – at lv 80. I have learned my ranger in spvp (i was looking at 20h when i became satisfied with my results, and yes i have used tomes on it) and im pretty sure that i play it definitely better than the majority that created this toon at launch and “learned” it in pve by hitting 1 and using point blank to drive everyone else mad in pve endgame maps like SW.

Someone that has load of tomes already have experience in game, know how to play, what to dodge and so on. It seems like you want to lock ppl out of possiblity to insta lv our toons cause you dont have any tomes nor intentions to start farming them in spvp.

Tbh i cannot take anyone serious who still playing on a potato pc. Anyone that is interesed in games has at least medium-range pc

Pc parts are really cheap nowdays and something like r9 260x is more than enough for most mmo games (if not all).

Dx9 has to go. Its dead, rip. Move along.The same goes to Win XP/Vista.

Juba.8406:

Scoobaniec.9561:

Quickness will also be turned into a boon as well.

this too can be great, boon duration can take effect here.

where is the source for this information ?

Theres no source. Its quite obvious cause slow is a condition which means quickness will become a boon. Voodoo everywhere

lighter.2708:

tbh i don’t know which is better.
resistance remove all effect but does not prevent application
berserker stance doesn’t remove any condition or effect, but prevent application

Both have + and –
In case of resistance boon duration will affect it as well

Imo zerk stance will turn into a defensive skill when someone condi nuke you.

Juba.8406:

Will resistance boon nullify effects of the non damage conditions like chill, weakness when active ?

Yeh. But stances are dead anyway. Quickness will also be turned into a boon as well. Not my problem anyway ^^

nicknamenick.2437:

Always the: highest armor/health argument!! just kittening gives us 15k health like guardian so we can have some cool stuff too!

Guardian base is 11k. Revenant has 15k.

Will be turned into resistance boon. Endure pain is safe.

“I tweeted this while I was at the community party after PAX on Friday, but I figured I would reiterate it here for those curious.
I asked Roy about what they wanted to do with warrior Berserker Stance in regards to the introduction of the new Resistance boon. He told me that it was likely to change from the current immunity buff that prevents incoming conditions (and doesn’t really have much counterplay) to one that instead pulses the Resistance boon every few seconds over the buff’s duration. He said that they wanted to give it counterplay by switching to the boon, but give it a periodic refresh pulse to avoid that icky feeling of having it ripped and the cooldown wasted.
Edit: As a follow-up, I also asked him if anything would change with Endure Pain; he said they’re currently happy with it and don’t see it changing soon.”

Naevius.3185:

Even better, once you have the skin, you can have all your Guardians and Warriors running around blindfolded.

Yeah, id definitely use that to call out every guard and warrior with blindfolkittene revenant that cant handle this class yet they want to be as cool as revenant

Nope, wont happen as long i am around!