Guild Wars 2

Bloodstealer.5978:

Seera.5916:

Bloodstealer.5978:

simplesimon.2084:

Kraggy.4169:

simplesimon.2084:

But there is a difference between the two cases. With Tyu the cheat software was never used on his account.

And apart from just his word, we have proof of this … how?

Well he did get his account back.

You missed the point.. he got his account back but its was sharing his account that violated the ToS and led to further violations across other accounts, whether or not the cheat was used on his own account. Therefore if they gave his account back and unbanned him then there is simply no point in having Account Sharing deemed as a violation of the ToS in the first place and anyo other player hit with a ban for it should now be unbanned… the root cause was the account share, the secondary effect was the cheat being used or his account info being used by another player who was also abusing the ToS.. both are serious offences.
This new plea for having their account reinstated has the same issues.. the person in question denies using anything that is deemed a cheat…. but having shared his/hers account info to someone else has allowed the other person to log into the account via another ip and use a third party cheat thus implicating both… why is this person not being responded to in the same way?.. double standard much.

Or they deemed the however many days tyu was already banned for as a punishment for a first time offense and he’s been told if he gets caught account sharing again, the punishment will be more severe.

Not every TOS violation has to be met with a permanent ban on the first offense.

Every situation is different and it’s up to ANet to decide what punishment fits the crime.

So you don’t see Account sharing as a much more serious violation, one that warrants only a few days time out in the naughty corner along with players that have maybe abused the LFG policy or spammed chat .. cmon lets not silly.
If something as serious as Account Sharing and its repercussions that it enables is not worthy of immediate perma action then there really is no point in having it in their ToS because its obvious they don’t then take such things seriously.
That is actually the point I was making however .. the other poster now pleading for their accounts back should, in the interests of standardising of actions.. have their accounts unbanned and allowed immediate access to the game again.

Not necessarily. Depends on how many times the account was shared and what was done during that sharing. The other person asking for account back after sharing it may have had it shared a lot more than tyu. Each situation is different and what is decided for one instance is not necessarily the same for another instance.

Bloodstealer.5978:

simplesimon.2084:

Kraggy.4169:

simplesimon.2084:

But there is a difference between the two cases. With Tyu the cheat software was never used on his account.

And apart from just his word, we have proof of this … how?

Well he did get his account back.

You missed the point.. he got his account back but its was sharing his account that violated the ToS and led to further violations across other accounts, whether or not the cheat was used on his own account. Therefore if they gave his account back and unbanned him then there is simply no point in having Account Sharing deemed as a violation of the ToS in the first place and anyo other player hit with a ban for it should now be unbanned… the root cause was the account share, the secondary effect was the cheat being used or his account info being used by another player who was also abusing the ToS.. both are serious offences.
This new plea for having their account reinstated has the same issues.. the person in question denies using anything that is deemed a cheat…. but having shared his/hers account info to someone else has allowed the other person to log into the account via another ip and use a third party cheat thus implicating both… why is this person not being responded to in the same way?.. double standard much.

Or they deemed the however many days tyu was already banned for as a punishment for a first time offense and he’s been told if he gets caught account sharing again, the punishment will be more severe.

Not every TOS violation has to be met with a permanent ban on the first offense.

Every situation is different and it’s up to ANet to decide what punishment fits the crime.

Yea, I don’t get the second location when I take a picture and I just took one to make sure.

If the folder literally just says Guild Wars, do you have Guild Wars 1 and are just confusing the two games? I don’t have Guild Wars 1 so I don’t know where it stores screenshots or in what format they are saved.

Also having this issue. And also thanks for letting me know that the 32 bit is still fine.

Tironas.7053:

Seera.5916:

Tironas.7053:

I notice how many people reacted emotionally to my comment. thus proving my point that people will listen when they are angered rather than indifferent.

I’ll mention again the questions I posed that everyone replying seems to have ignored.
Is it a nice way of teaching? No. Are there other ways to help people? Of course!

Oh, they’ll listen, but only to the insult. They’ll ignore the part that gives criticism. So they won’t learn anything.

Heck, if someone insulted me when I possibly made a mistake, here’s what I would think:

“Oh, they messed up and are looking for someone else to blame because they’re too perfect to make a mistake.”

Then I would report depending on the severity of the insult. And I would most likely block, which would be very very bad for any commander. You don’t want those you’re commanding to block you.

This is because you take an insult from the internet seriously whereas I do not. When you make a mistake you should take responsibility for it.

“I’ll remember that next time.”
“Okay I didn’t know that.”
“Oh is THAT how it works?”

Was that so hard?

Where did I say that I took it seriously? The fact that I think the person is deflecting blame means I don’t take it seriously. Because if I did, I would think that you insulted me.

Maybe those of you who yell insults at people take the game too seriously. Yes, it sucks that the event failed after hours of preparation. But it is open world. It’s not possible to control every variable that can and will likely go wrong. If you want challenging content where you can control those variables to a higher degree, then wait for raids to come out.

Now, I’m not saying that yelling and getting angry at the map over the situation is bad. There’s just absolutely no need for insults.

The average person when they see “Lesson, Insult” or “Insult, Lesson” remember the insult over the lesson. Or will be more likely to the next time they see you at the event to intentionally mess up. Just to make you mad.

And then the worst thing: some will start blocking you. Then your commands go to waste and you hit chat suppression because enough people have blocked you.

Tironas.7053:

I notice how many people reacted emotionally to my comment. thus proving my point that people will listen when they are angered rather than indifferent.

I’ll mention again the questions I posed that everyone replying seems to have ignored.
Is it a nice way of teaching? No. Are there other ways to help people? Of course!

Oh, they’ll listen, but only to the insult. They’ll ignore the part that gives criticism. So they won’t learn anything.

Heck, if someone insulted me when I possibly made a mistake, here’s what I would think:

“Oh, they messed up and are looking for someone else to blame because they’re too perfect to make a mistake.”

Then I would report depending on the severity of the insult. And I would most likely block, which would be very very bad for any commander. You don’t want those you’re commanding to block you.

They do read it. Haven’t you seen the various threads with ANet people posting in them?

But you can not guarantee an actual response to your personal issue unless you send in a ticket. Otherwise everyone would flood the forum with every little detail and this section would move too fast for anyone to do anything in. Not even the devs.

Warlock.7136:

as I stated previously in this thread, I can’t ignore it if it has AP. I need all I can get and can’t afford to skip it in this regard. so if it’s going to have associated achievments then I have to do them. once pvp/wvw/dungeon/storyline/jump puzzles/fashion collections/other misc collections are done the AP scene gets scarce, and I still need 16k to get my full hellfire set which is something I’ve been working toward for years now. so yes I could “just ignore it” IF it was a minigame and had few or preferably No achievements associated with it. but this is not the case and so in my modern mmo I will be forced to play an 8 bit junkpile. hopefully this clears this up.

You can choose to not do it. No one forces you to do any content.

There will be other content released that has AP, I haven’t seen anything that says if they release SAB they will never release any other content with AP.

Your lack of patience on getting the hellfire armor is not a good enough reason to not reintroduce SAB. Sorry.

Warlock.7136:

Garambola.2461:

Personally I don’t care for SAB. But nothing forces me to play it. I say: Bring it on.

I can either get new content which usually comes with new achievements or I can be “forced” into completing SAB content to get AP. my goal is full hellfire gear and so I must go where the AP is at my level of AP, things to do are getting kinda scarce. and I need like 34k total or something like that. so yes please do New content that is not SAB so that I can squeeze AP out of that rather then Mario land. also I saw someone mention this as a minigame. it is not it is full content activities like the crab toss are gw2 minigames. if SAB was a 1-3 level minigame, I would have no complaints about it’s graphics or content. but it isn’t it’s basically a full festival.

Funny, I haven’t heard that they’ll only release SAB once they are done releasing new content for GW2.

Just because they turn SAB back on doesn’t mean that ANet is done adding new content with new AP to the game. And considering it was only a small group of people on their downtime at work who developed SAB in the first place, I highly doubt the development of the next part of SAB will hinder any development of other means to get AP.

Because of jerks who decide to use stolen credit cards to buy Ultimate, convert the gems to gold and mail the gold off to their friend(s) or to their main account or to their clients who bought gold from them. Who then use it to buy stuff from the trading post or from NPC’s and convert to other items. It’s to protect the game’s economy from those jerks.

Thank you for changing the title, OP!

Thanks for putting the spoiler in the title itself. I haven’t finished the story and you’ve spoiled a pretty big twist for me. Please change your title so that others do not get the spoiled for them.

Thank you.

From the Pre-Purchase Address Community Address posted on June 22, 2015 so before you pre-purchased:

For all players who registered the core Guild Wars 2® game prior to January 23, 2015 and who upgrade their account by prepurchasing and registering any Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns edition before Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns‘ launch, we will add one additional character slot to your Guild Wars 2 account.

I have bolded the relevant part. They did make it clear you had to register HoT before HoT launched in order to qualify for the veteran slot.

Here’s a link to the source of what I quoted.

I compared the wiki to what I’ve earned and I should have more than I have so there may be something up with achievements that were earned before HoT launched.

Oldirtbeard.9834:

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

Still, it would not be fair to allow some Guilds to advertise in the main discussion forums, and not others.

And, if all others can advertise in the main discussion forums, then discussion topics will disappear off the front page even faster. The discussion sub-forums would become filled with Guilds advertising, and there would be little difference between the two sub-forums.

I’m sure you understand. Good luck.

Personally I’m glad he did because I looked for a HoT guild on the LFG forum and literally only saw one game mode dominating it, with one Fractal guild; at least this guild focuses exclusively on HoT Map Meta events.

With the amount of people like my self that have complained of difficulty being told to find a guild wouldn’t it be in the best interests of the forum if there was a place you could direct them towards such as this guild which seems to cater to the kinda of events that are predominantly discussed in this very forum?

And that place is not General Discussion or Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns.

The general discussion sub forums are not the places for guild advertisements. No guild or guild type can have an exemption to that rule.

It would be helpful if they split off WvW and PvE and PvP looking for guilds section and let the multi-area guilds cross post their advertisements. That would be the better suggestion than allow for exceptions to the rule which would be impossible to police.

Eggshells.1748:

Haleydawn.3764:

Eggshells.1748:

It should be soulbound!
You shouldn’t even be able to make it on a different class!

The collection is about your class and the “journey” it took to making all those pieces.
It’s a statsless Exotic it’s not going to do your alts any good anyway.

That’s because you can select stats on them.

I’m with the OP, since any character could get the drops that contribute to these collections, it seems like an oversight.

Oh right, didn’t think of that! my bad..
Still think it should be soulbound to class that unlocked the collection.

So I play with Character A to do 98% of the collection and then get bored of playing that one and go play on Character B to do the last 2% of the collection and it drops on them. It should go to Character B because they finished up the last 2%? And not be possible to give to Character A who did most of the work?

I should have to monitor how close I am to getting an achievement so that the achievement award (account progress) doesn’t get bound to a character that can’t use the item? When collection items are on RNG tables for enemies you find out in the game. Where I could “accidentally” achieve the achievement while not on the character you want to use the reward on?

Kraiz.6720:

Chris Cleary.8017:

tyu.9470:

I am sure you’ll agree that false positives happen EVERY time you do ban waves no matter how much you try to check.

Cheating on 2 of your 9 accounts got all 9 of them banned.

9 accs……. I fail to see any real reason any normal player would need more than 1 account. I also don’t see the reason of multi-boxing, anybody doing that cant have a honest reason for doing so….. unless they are like some kind of super-nerd…. even still…..
Kuddos GW2 team.

I remember at launch all the dang bots running around stealing all the nodes from underground. That was annoying. Probably unrelated but i’m sure they were multiboxers.

The log in rewards for one.

Ok, they add it in. Then two Russians speaking in Russian go at it and they report each other.

Google translate is not 100% accurate and they would need someone who could read the language for when someone appeals a ban.

Which means they’d have to hire someone. And I doubt that there are enough players who speak Russian to warrant that someone.

Michael Fejervary.8576:

You know its the internet “Grain of Salt” and all, and its easier to just assume that anyone claiming in contrast must be guilty. However, in these circumstances assuming guilt is flawed anyway as only Anet and the given User really have the facts.

Now while I cannot/will not assume this persons guilt or innocence reading threads like this does make me (and I’m sure others) kind of concerned with what safeguards Anet actually uses for those of us users who have several computers networked and all of course showing the same IP to the outside world as if they were one single computer.

My household for instance has 3 PC’s and 6 accounts (with four different unique registered users), but at any given time depending on other household needs (such as homework for example) any of these 6 accounts will access any of the 3 PC’s.

We also usually play with other family members outside of our home that on occasion they may log in to their own account at my house (or vice versa if visiting them).

Now account sharing alone is not so easy to prove, and you cannot just assume that that is the case just because multiple accounts reflect the same IP address.

However, as a hypothetical lets say someone visits my parents house a few times a month from out of town and them having no idea what an MMO is other than a video game let the person use their PC to play GW2, and they for whatever reason decide to cheat while playing.

What keeps my children who spend the weekend every so many weeks at my parents (their grandparents) house from getting on one of those PC’s there to play GW2 with me for a short bit from now being looked at as an account that is somehow linked to this other past guest of my parents?

Lets say in this scenario whatever allowed this person to cheat was no longer present and my children’s accounts are still squeaky clean, but now since they show as having accessed their account from a PC that a possible cheater used they are guilty despite having a squeaky clean account.

However, as their accounts have also accessed the game from home the rest of our accounts which are also squeaky clean get drawn into the loop only because their accounts were logged into a PC at my parents house where one of their guests played GW2 using his own account had cheated.

It just cannot be that simple, and imagine what implications that type of policy would have on Anet with so many people in various parts of the world logging on from coffee shops, internet cafes, book stores, campuses, etc, etc, etc.

In the case of tyu he’s saying, I didn’t break Rule A, but I broke Rule B. So regardless of whether he’s telling the truth or not, he’s broke at least one rule and deserves a fitting punishment.

Emelyn.8729:

I am another who can not stand jumping puzzles. I thoroughly enjoy exploration and was thrilled to learn that GW2 rewarded such an activity. I had my mind set to earning the Been There, Done That title. Please understand, I don’t care one whit about equipment or legendaries or stuff like that. I just want(ed) the title because it was proof that I’d, well, Been There.

I say “want(ed)” because the jumping puzzles have dashed that hope. As noted in a few posts above, there are some vistas that REQUIRE jumping puzzles. Having tried (and failed) countless times, I have given up. That both saddens and angers me, because had I known from the outset that jumping puzzles were included in the exploration title, I would not have wasted my time even starting. I feel as if my time has been wasted. I don’t mind wasting my own time but I don’t like having others waste it for me.

Some have said I should befriend a porter and simply have them port me up to the offending vistas. Or join a guild to find a porter. To me, that sounds sleazy and I won’t do it. I don’t like the idea of “befriending” people just to use them. That goes counter to who I am, both in real life and in game.

I also say “want(ed)” because I’ve pretty much stopped playing now. Not “just” because of the jumping puzzles; although they’re a major factor, there’s a bit more to it than that. Lately, I’ve been signing in just to do Dailies and that’s about it. Even Dailies are beginning to feel like chore. I don’t have HoT and have no intention whatsoever of getting it. It does not offer anything at all that is of interest to me. Now, hearing that HoT has required jumping aspects, that’s yet another reason I won’t be purchasing it.

If you’re NA and see me online, provided my mesmer is high enough level to get to the JP you need (or you’re willing to help escort her there and keep her safe if she’s not level 80 at the time), send me a message and I’ll be willing to port to where you need if you want. I just ask for patience as I’m not the best with jumping and my mesmer’s a Norn.

This goes to anyone needing a JP. As long as it’s a map completion related one I know I can do them. I’m not that good at the more difficult jumping puzzles. So don’t ask for Troll’s Revenge.

Loli Ruri.8307:

^ this is why the idea of a bulletproof policy of banning all associated accounts is stupid, because there is no real way to determine ownership is the same person.

But on the other hand, it could be one person claiming their evil younger brother has an account as well.

I’m sure they use more than one piece of information in determining which accounts get banned and it’s why they allow those who do get banned to appeal their ban. So that the false positives have a chance to prove that they are false positives. As no system is fool proof.

In this day and age the number of teenagers who share computers and play the same computer game and have to share credit cards is probably low enough to not be a huge number of false positives. In which case the risk is much lower than the “reward”.

deltaconnected.4859:

Again, IP address has nothing to do with identity. Here’s two reg keys I found by googling that you can use that are available with zero effort:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\ProfileList
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Cryptography\MachineGuid
Your computer logs in to one account, then that same computer logs into another. From where is irrelevant. Anet has no physical presence at this computer, so what do they do? Refer to my example about using a friend’s unlocked PC and account why “it was my friend” won’t fly. By your expectations that cheating account would be unbanned on the sole word of “it was my friend”.
Or perhaps you forgot that the P in PC stands for Personal?

With the ability to create multiple user accounts on a computer, Microsoft doesn’t demand one user per computer. Just one computer per key. So Computer GUID isn’t a foolproof one either.

Two teenagers may have to share a computer. One cheats, the other doesn’t. But according to ANet their accounts share MachineGUID key. Yet they don’t share accounts. And could quite possibly even use the same credit card if a parent holds the purse strings for all credit card purchases.

But that’s not the case here. And we can only make judgements based on what we know. And from what we’ve been told, regardless of whether or not he lied, he’s broken the TOS and it’s up to ANet what the punishment is.

ANet will not, nor should they, divulge how it determines which accounts get banned in the cases where a player breaks the rules so much to warrant all accounts being banned. That’s telling the rule breakers what they have to mask in order to get away with it.

Loli Ruri.8307:

Seera.5916:

Loli Ruri.8307:

Chris Cleary.8017:

tyu.9470:

I am sure you’ll agree that false positives happen EVERY time you do ban waves no matter how much you try to check.

Cheating on 2 of your 9 accounts got all 9 of them banned.

How did you determine that he owned all 9 accounts, and that you didn’t just ban a pile of people? I am still concerned about the whole IP address issue.

They won’t divulge all of that to prevent the botters and hackers from developing methods to get around that.

But if he’s telling the truth, his account sharing with friends is what’s got his account flagged. And well, account sharing is against the TOS so I wouldn’t expect leniency.

Um, but you do understand that a computer nor an IP address cannot simply be used on their own to determine the identity of just one single person. This is why the whole idea of banning all associated accounts is stupid, because it’s assuming that they all are one person, because a good number of times, it’s not. ArenaNet are not a bunch of soothsayers. I’m afraid that there may be the slight possibility that one day I could end up being banned for somebody elses actions, if the wrong situation were to arise. I certainly don’t want that, and the idea of FUD ruining my gaming experience, I don’t want that either. Being cold shouldered by customer support, and treated like as if CS is a bunch of soothsayers that have a flawless victory going on, is utter stupid. Computers are not infallible, nor are people. Their policy is proving to be a terrible choice. Why? Let’s consider the whole statement given to those who first appeal, and then are told that they are confident in the ban, only to have it later revealed on reddit that the ban was later reversed. So how were they confident in the first place? Nice copy-paste btw. That message although meant to intimidate actual cheaters, actually hurts legitimate customers. Again, computers and people are not infallible. But we still need to ban cheaters. But the whole banning entire account lists on suspect single ownership is very risky business.

Another thing that really gets under my skin, is the trend for publishers to not report the reason for the ban, other than be vague. Try that in a court, and unless the prosecution is saying the inability to reveal evidence is because of national secrets, the case won’t fly in court. In fact, that’s one of the reasons I hate the whole loophole to deny evidence based upon national secrets. You cannot defend yourself without an idea of what you are dealing with. All you can do is, say all that you know, and then cross your fingers and hope that somebody cares to check further, and be polite. Being polite does encourage somebody to wanna look further. Anyways enough rant, us players can only talk about it, not change anything. Happy gaming to those who can play.

But there’s no system that’s 100% accurate.

If he’s lying, he’s a cheater and broke the rules. If he’s telling the truth, he’s still broken the rules because he shared accounts.

If you break the rules, you must accept the consequences. And that can include trouble when one of your friends whom you’ve shared accounts with decides to grossly break the rules and get all of their associated accounts banned.

Now, whether ANet decides to unban him is up to them. Depends on whether they believe him or not and what the punishment for account sharing is.

Loli Ruri.8307:

Chris Cleary.8017:

tyu.9470:

I am sure you’ll agree that false positives happen EVERY time you do ban waves no matter how much you try to check.

Cheating on 2 of your 9 accounts got all 9 of them banned.

How did you determine that he owned all 9 accounts, and that you didn’t just ban a pile of people? I am still concerned about the whole IP address issue.

They won’t divulge all of that to prevent the botters and hackers from developing methods to get around that.

But if he’s telling the truth, his account sharing with friends is what’s got his account flagged. And well, account sharing is against the TOS so I wouldn’t expect leniency.

tyu.9470:

Seera.5916:

tyu.9470:

Chris Cleary.8017:

tyu.9470:

I am sure you’ll agree that false positives happen EVERY time you do ban waves no matter how much you try to check.

Cheating on 2 of your 9 accounts got all 9 of them banned.

Could you please tell me what cheat i used? Yes you have permission to publicly shame me – because i have not cheated. Also i do not own 9 accounts, i own 2. The only time i logged in more than the 2 is:

Log in to my friends account (1) to do their daily – log in to another friend’s account (2) because she couldnt find potion of pvp reward she got herself.

So in total i have been into 4 accounts in the last god knows how many months.

Oh and almost forgot the 1st friend’s acc that i logged – i logged 4 times in a row in same 5 minutes because we wanted to test why i always get sms authentication even if i click remember this network. Like i can give you all the details really.. i have not cheated – i do not even know WHAT cheat you talk about.. why is support so afraid of saying what cheat it is so far? If you are so sure…

There’s your cheat. You’re not supposed to play someone else’s account. Only the accounts that you own. It’s in the TOS.

Ehhhhhhh? Account sharing is something thats widely done. It is nowhere “cheating”. It is obvious he is talkin about some kind of cheat ive supposedly done on 2 accounts and that i own NINE accounts. I dont even…

So if everyone widely goes around and bots, that suddenly makes it ok?

Just because everyone does it doesn’t mean it’s not against the TOS.

tyu.9470:

Chris Cleary.8017:

tyu.9470:

I am sure you’ll agree that false positives happen EVERY time you do ban waves no matter how much you try to check.

Cheating on 2 of your 9 accounts got all 9 of them banned.

Could you please tell me what cheat i used? Yes you have permission to publicly shame me – because i have not cheated. Also i do not own 9 accounts, i own 2. The only time i logged in more than the 2 is:

Log in to my friends account (1) to do their daily – log in to another friend’s account (2) because she couldnt find potion of pvp reward she got herself.

So in total i have been into 4 accounts in the last god knows how many months.

Oh and almost forgot the 1st friend’s acc that i logged – i logged 4 times in a row in same 5 minutes because we wanted to test why i always get sms authentication even if i click remember this network. Like i can give you all the details really.. i have not cheated – i do not even know WHAT cheat you talk about.. why is support so afraid of saying what cheat it is so far? If you are so sure…

There’s your cheat. You’re not supposed to play someone else’s account. Only the accounts that you own. It’s in the TOS.

saeleth.3915:

I will give it a shot tonight and see how things go. For example, I head to Dragon’s Stand and I have yet to get into a map that has had enough folks to field the map event. In Auric Basin its hit or miss with having enough to field events, Tangled Depths is the same story. Verident Brink (spelling may be wrong) I usually see more than enough folks to field events.

Is it just that most players haven’t progressed enough yet to be all over the different maps?

Or they’ve gotten their elites and are now doing the temp Halloween events.

Esplen.3940:

Isn’t that the same thing as currently existing especially since you’re now gated behind an arbitrary unlock system and if you don’t want the “basic” A/D/F, then you’re SoL?

The only way I can see that working is if you actually chose which one to unlock but that would convolute the system and also be a lot of effort/work. I like how you work your way towards the big things, because thematically it makes sense (you don’t become a master by shortcutting to the hardest thing and then looking at alternate routes).

It depends on what you view as the greater evil: an incomplete trait line or a complete trait line with non-ideal traits.

Labjax prefers having a complete trait line over an incomplete trait line even if the complete trait line would have traits that are not [all] his ideal choice.

ANet had to choose between the two methods and no method is the preferred method of all players. Some prefer the one we have now. Others prefer the one Labjax offered. Assuming of course, the chose the one you want to unlock method isn’t a reasonable choice given the limitations of the code.

And I’d be wary of throwing legal terms around. Those will shut support out of being able to help you at all as legal wise that communication has to be done through lawyers. So be very cautious about throwing anything that could construed as: I’m going to involve the law.

Well, we could have a Bosses tab. A HoT Open World tab. A Central Tyria Open World Tab

That would cover the majority of bases.

It’s a legendary. It’s supposed to be something that shows you’ve played the entire game. Now that you can have legendary skins in PvP, it’s only fair to show that you have played the entire game.

And this is coming from someone who only uses the Heart of the Mists as a free means to get to Lion’s Arch. I don’t like PvP. But I will likely try it out when I get to that tier.

ragnarokda.1805:

People already get to places they shouldn’t be. And i can’t imagine why it would be that difficult to disable it near a JP. This really isn’t that far fetched. lol

It may be easier said than done to disable it on certain parts of a map but have it enabled on other parts.

Which install type do you choose? Express or Custom?

Dimi Gravedancer.1463:

I do believe there is also an Achievement for having Two of the same Legendary

Howler is a warhorn though and no class can wield double warhorns I don’t think. So I doubt making two Howlers will do it.

Do any of you guys have 100% map completion of Central Tyria?

Another thread in this forum found it seemed to happen to those with 100% map completion.

Menadena.7482:

sirsquishy.8531:

Shortage.5427:

Seera.5916:

Shortage.5427:

Seera.5916:

Shortage.5427:

Seera.5916:

And who says mentors can’t be mentors in level 80 zones?

I’d say, if you’ve got a mentor tag up in any zone, you’re asking to be asked for help with hero challenges or events. So start bugging those with mentor tags for help with events and hero challenges. Make them realize that the mentor tag isn’t the poor man’s commander’s tag.

Dude thats the problem here. They dont use Mentor Tags for helping new players. They are using them as hurr “Free Commandership” durr.

But you don’t know that, right? For all you know, they’re a legit mentor. So treat them as such.

Okay i ll give it to you in simpler words

Commander Tag Commanding
Mentor Tag Mentoring

Simple as that

You’re not getting what I’m saying.

If you see someone with a mentor tag up. Treat them like a mentor. Don’t let them turn it into the poor man’s commander tag.

If you see a mentor trying to be a commander when there’s an active commander there, remind others that he’s just a mentor and not a commander and to follow the actual commander. Or ask that he swap to an actual commander tag if he’s going to command.

And for all you know, the mentor is an actual commander and he’s just forgotten to switch to his actual commander tag when he came over to the level 80 zone from a starter zone where he was being a mentor.

Too good to be true. And i actually whispered a mentor to give up his Mentor Tag and to let an actual Commander to do the job and he replied with a rude no. As i was trying to take him a privilege or something.

and what makes you think your commander tag trumps his mentor tag? And what makes you think you are entitled to take over from what that mentor was doing?

Shame on you.

Neither trumps the other, that is the point. If a situation calls for a commander it needs a commander. If a situation calls for a mentor it needs a mentor.

I am struggling to think of where both would be appropriate in the same scenario with the same people.

For example, when showing new people where a low-level boss is a mentor tag would fit the bill. During the fight itself it would not (usually it would be no tag unless you are organizing something, 4 or 5 commander tags at the jungle wurm is just a bunch of people who are a bit too insecure).

But the mentor would likely remained tagged up so that his mentees can easily find him should they need to.

I do think that mentor tags shouldn’t be bigger than commander tags or at least show up as smaller on say any zone designed for level 40 and above and in cities. You aren’t in combat in cities so quick finding of a mentor is not critical.

Dremars.6849:

I am extremely and utterly disappointed by ArenaNet’s actions to reduce the hero point value from 400 to 250 so early into expansion.

First of all, I have to completely disagree that 400 HP was high at all. On launch day I started my Revenant with lvl30 scroll and 38 Tomes of Knowledge and leveled to 80 to get access to HoT content. Now I’ve been thoroughly enjoying this expansion so far. My main goal has been trying to unlock Herald for myself but I’ve done other things as well. (Meta events, story, old stuff) Even while doing everything else I had managed to get 80% unlocked of my Herald before today. If you can get all of that in 5 days while working 8h a day on 2 of those days. So it’s quite clear that it doesn’t take too much at all.

Secondly, Elite Specialization felt like a big reward for playing the game and it felt different from how most games work. In most games you just get the skills or buy them. But in Guild Wars it has always been an adventure to get those skills you wanted. It truly felt wonderfully different. Even in the recent post from Colin Johanson he said: “We always viewed the elite specialization as one of the major rewards in expansion…” And that’s how it felt! Well at least until today.

Now that it’s been changed to this greatly lower value I got my elite specialization when I logged in today. I have to say I didn’t feel any enjoyment for unlocking elite specialization or all that work I put in. I only felt like I’ve been robbed from that amazing feeling of achievement I was looking forward to. That feeling of finding the last hero point you need to get that final elite skill and amazing weapon. Fighting the mob with people. All the while knowing: “after this I’ll have that shield and elite skill” THAT is the moment I was looking forward to. So today I excitedly got back home to continue my quest. You can imagine my disappointment when I logged in today. That amazing feeling you’d get from this achievement was turned into a simple, boring, login reward.

I cannot express enough how annoyed I am right now. All that work, all that anticipation and everything turned to ash in my mouth. Imagine working forwards to killing a big boss monster constantly failing but getting back up to try again. But before you can go for another try, developer comes and instant kills the boss for you and gives you the loot. This kind of boss kill would not have any meaning or emotion behind it. And that’s how I’m feeling right now.

Seeing how this part of my experience was taken from me, just because ArenaNet could not wait even a WEEK(!?!) before conforming to these whiners is beyond disappointing. Seriously it’s been 5 days since launch and people are complaining it’s too difficult? Even when I manage to do it without problem from level 1 to 80% elite spec progress? And all this for what? Because the spoiled children couldn’t get their toys right there in the shop? So the developer spoils them more? If this was the only game where loud children get their opinions heard it wouldn’t be too bad. But I’m sick of watching every game to conform to these people who want everything instantly for no effort. Though I have to say the biggest disappointment is the Guild Wars 2 developers. Developers who can’t stand behind their own design decisions which I think they achieved fairly well. What a massive bunch of cowards.

Now that I’ve said my words maybe I’ll be able to continue playing. I certainly wasn’t feeling like playing before I wrote this. Have a nice day everyone! See you in Tyria!

PS. Sorry for the spelling, structure, etc. Second forum post I’ve ever made.

They had to move quickly. The more time that passed means more players would possibly be affected by the changes. The fewer people, the more the solution can have short term problems. Like how the trait/skill system change caused players to get wacky builds. It only affected existing players who had higher level characters that weren’t level 80 yet, especially those in the 50-60 range I believe.

And if you read the blog post about the change, they didn’t change it because they had their minds changed on how many points was too many. They changed it because they didn’t communicate the elite spec process very well.

And the majority of players who were complaining are the ones with tons of alts they want to spec out, WvW players, and those wary of how willing players on the new maps would be in 6 months to help out a new player get the hero challenges that need a group.

Shortage.5427:

Seera.5916:

Shortage.5427:

Seera.5916:

Shortage.5427:

Seera.5916:

And who says mentors can’t be mentors in level 80 zones?

I’d say, if you’ve got a mentor tag up in any zone, you’re asking to be asked for help with hero challenges or events. So start bugging those with mentor tags for help with events and hero challenges. Make them realize that the mentor tag isn’t the poor man’s commander’s tag.

Dude thats the problem here. They dont use Mentor Tags for helping new players. They are using them as hurr “Free Commandership” durr.

But you don’t know that, right? For all you know, they’re a legit mentor. So treat them as such.

Okay i ll give it to you in simpler words

Commander Tag Commanding
Mentor Tag Mentoring

Simple as that

You’re not getting what I’m saying.

If you see someone with a mentor tag up. Treat them like a mentor. Don’t let them turn it into the poor man’s commander tag.

If you see a mentor trying to be a commander when there’s an active commander there, remind others that he’s just a mentor and not a commander and to follow the actual commander. Or ask that he swap to an actual commander tag if he’s going to command.

And for all you know, the mentor is an actual commander and he’s just forgotten to switch to his actual commander tag when he came over to the level 80 zone from a starter zone where he was being a mentor.

Too good to be true. And i actually whispered a mentor to give up his Mentor Tag and to let an actual Commander to do the job and he replied with a rude no. As i was trying to take him a privilege or something.

Any more rude than a second commander who tries to be a commander when there aren’t enough players to warrant a second commander and doesn’t step down when the commander that was there first and getting the map organized asks him politely to do so?

Shortage.5427:

Seera.5916:

Shortage.5427:

Seera.5916:

And who says mentors can’t be mentors in level 80 zones?

I’d say, if you’ve got a mentor tag up in any zone, you’re asking to be asked for help with hero challenges or events. So start bugging those with mentor tags for help with events and hero challenges. Make them realize that the mentor tag isn’t the poor man’s commander’s tag.

Dude thats the problem here. They dont use Mentor Tags for helping new players. They are using them as hurr “Free Commandership” durr.

But you don’t know that, right? For all you know, they’re a legit mentor. So treat them as such.

Okay i ll give it to you in simpler words

Commander Tag Commanding
Mentor Tag Mentoring

Simple as that

You’re not getting what I’m saying.

If you see someone with a mentor tag up. Treat them like a mentor. Don’t let them turn it into the poor man’s commander tag.

If you see a mentor trying to be a commander when there’s an active commander there, remind others that he’s just a mentor and not a commander and to follow the actual commander. Or ask that he swap to an actual commander tag if he’s going to command.

And for all you know, the mentor is an actual commander and he’s just forgotten to switch to his actual commander tag when he came over to the level 80 zone from a starter zone where he was being a mentor.

Shortage.5427:

Seera.5916:

And who says mentors can’t be mentors in level 80 zones?

I’d say, if you’ve got a mentor tag up in any zone, you’re asking to be asked for help with hero challenges or events. So start bugging those with mentor tags for help with events and hero challenges. Make them realize that the mentor tag isn’t the poor man’s commander’s tag.

Dude thats the problem here. They dont use Mentor Tags for helping new players. They are using them as hurr “Free Commandership” durr.

But you don’t know that, right? For all you know, they’re a legit mentor. So treat them as such.

I also have 100% Central Tyria map completion on the character I was missing only one POI with.

Unfortunately, none of my characters that are level 80 don’t have map completion (I have 2, the remaining ones are 51 or lower. So I can’t test that theory.

And who says mentors can’t be mentors in level 80 zones?

I’d say, if you’ve got a mentor tag up in any zone, you’re asking to be asked for help with hero challenges or events. So start bugging those with mentor tags for help with events and hero challenges. Make them realize that the mentor tag isn’t the poor man’s commander’s tag.

snarfrificus.4230:

Drox.4562:

snarfrificus.4230:

Its not Anet that is the problem, its the people… A bunch of lazy crying boys and girls who dont understand what it takes to make a game…

Yeah, it’s not like GW2 was made mostly for casuals or anything…right? :P lol I’m all for some challenge but people acting surprise that people would be mad about their casual game not being so casual is silly. It was pretty much expected, even before the expansion launched. The HP grind was pretty ridiculous for those who had multiple toons, which GW2 promotes by having so many account shared items and boost. So it made sense for them to lower it.

i have all classes mate and play all of them, but as i see some of the people here, look how quick they are in complaining against my topic. Its great how they have done this, i dont see you guys do it. But o you guys are so good at complaining, i mean everyone is a critic nowadays its so really lame. Complaining but doing things themselves NOPE. Its not just that the amount of rage this group is showing, it only shows that this very big group are just of so called casual people that live in the basement of their mother.

Seems you missed the memo that people are more likely to complain about a product (any product, not just GW2 or even not just MMO’s) than they are to praise it?

None of us players have the right to tell anyone else what they can and can’t post on this forum. If it breaks TOS we can tell them it does, but we hold no power and they have no backlash if they decide to not take our advice. Complaining isn’t breaking the TOS.

And if we didn’t have complaints, our ecto salvage rate may still be bugged. Because at one point it was bugged. But because someone came onto the forum and presented their complaint, in a logical constructive way with details, the issue got looked into and the problem fixed. A lot faster than if that player decided to keep his mouth shut because one shouldn’t complain about a product you paid for.

Narrrz.7532:

Seera.5916:

And don’t kid yourself, players want to play with fully unlocked elite specs when they say they want to play with elite specs before anyone claims that that was possible before the change.

I contest that the people who actually wanted to play with their elite specs went out and unlocked or began unlocking hero points for them as soon as they knew they wanted it. Even before i knew it was going to cost 400 hero points i started (and finished) a fourth world completion on my necromancer so that i’d have access to it as soon as physically feasible.
People who actually want things go out and do what it takes to get them. people who merely feel they should have something, or perhaps feel they are entitled to that thing, they are the people who have been complaining.

And some of them went: “Screw this. This is too much. I’m out of here.”

The major problem that caused this was a communications failure on ANet’s end.

They hyped up the elite specs. They don’t give any details on the numbers it will take to get the spec fully unlocked. Or even how it will unlock (order wise and if skills will be on the same track as traits or not, etc). Then, in the betas we’re given the elite specs fully unlocked with the hero challenges not even present in the world. There is mention of work to get the elite specs. But I have to work at getting dungeon armor. But it doesn’t take that long to get them, just 2 days of running each path once. But I still have to work towards it. So, some players figured it wouldn’t take that long for the average player to unlock the elites. And elite skills aren’t that hard to earn and that’s the only elite thing we have related to builds. Certainly not tedious for alts.

So then fast forward to 3 days before launch. Colin answers a post in a thread and gives up the total amount needed. Many players go WTF that’s too many. A decent amount go: maybe it’s only 200 for the spec and 200 for the skins and that would be fine, let’s wait until launch to review the system. No dev response at all after the initial post until after launch. Despite players asking for more details.

The game launches and people see the exact numbers and see how challenging the hero challenges are and see how many masteries are blocking them and you can imagine how those who got the impression it wouldn’t be tedious or long to get the elite specs unlocked go wtf.

Their communications policy keeps them from doing the whole precursor scavenger hunt again, but it allows things like this to happen when someone is given permission to release a small bit of information or accidentally says something.

It also meant they can’t say anything beyond, “we’re looking into it” until they’re just about ready to release the fix/change/new thing.

Narrrz.7532:

morrolan.9608:

Narrrz.7532:

I don’t know how you ‘play’ the game, but i like having certain objectives set for me to ‘work’ towards (thank you english language). That’s what i call ‘playing’ the game.

Problem with that in regard to abilities as has been stated many times and by Colin that you reach the the objective at the end and can’t play the content with the cool new spec.

That’s why all the content is repeatable. You do the exciting exploration stuff while it’s new, get your elite spec as a reward, and then can play about on the maps’ repeatable content with your fancy new spec.

What everyone seemed to want was their fancy spec to do the exploration stuff (with no real reason to bother with it after you’ve unlocked your spec) so they can then complain there’s no content when they’re done.

watch. next week the complaints will start.

So losing the choice on which new content to explore first was the right decision?

With it being 400 hero points, players had to do explore the new maps first, masteries second, and then elite specs last.

When maybe some of them wanted to do elite specs first.

And don’t kid yourself, players want to play with fully unlocked elite specs when they say they want to play with elite specs before anyone claims that that was possible before the change.

It’s not a grind for maybe the first 2 or 3 characters for the average player.

After that it becomes so. And that’s just for the players who don’t mind or like PvE.

For the players who play WvW and hate PvE or just barely tolerate small does of PvE for things like Living Story, the original amount was a grind for more than one character if not just one character for the average WvW player.

Celtic Lady.3729:

It just seems like getting upset about the changes because a person has gotten their spec is very, very petty.

Actually, I understand why he’s upset.

He got his experience points and mastery points for the masteries needed to reach and unlock the hero challenges.

He defeated, based on his posting, 40 hero challenges. All of them.

And his reward for that was getting a fully unlocked elite spec.

And pretty soon afterward, ANet goes and reduces it down.

Very few people wouldn’t have an initial reaction of: so what took me X time will now take someone Y time less? When I could have been doing something I enjoy more in that time difference instead of working toward getting my elite spec?

And just so we’re clear, I’m in favor of the change. The 400 points wasn’t really fair to players with even just one character per class, and even less fair for players who primarily only play WvW.

Unloveableone.6082:

Paulytnz.7619:

Look on the bright side, when future Elites come you will have some points already to use towards it. Those players who only grab enough HP for the current Elites will then have to grab the rest or possibly go for any new ones with any future Elites/expansions.

Bragging rights and such, people who play this game for that type of thing are playing the wrong game imo. This is not “one of those” type of games It’s about time certain players accepted this. :P

Which brings up another concern. Are we not going to have to work towards future Elite Specs anymore?
Granted, many will probably not get the rest of the HPs needed like you said.
But what happens in the future? Do those of us that unlocked this one get it basically hour one? Will they increase the HP needed for them? In turn, creating another fiasco like this?

Probably not.

They did say the reason for the change was due to not communicating the fact that it wouldn’t be as quick as most people understood from what communication was had.