Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
Devs left a message this morning, I wonder what it was. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1EG-MKy4so ??? Any ideas? Its one odd message <.<
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
Pistols need 1200 range. Period. The set alone would become an ACTUAL CHOICE if they were not 900 range. Seriously. The assassin class has no 1200 range weaponset? wtf is this prejudice
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
So get a group of friends together?
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
With supply, you can get Doorbreakers and Archers. (focus on doors and guards respectively)
With a map event, you get a boss mob. (focus on Guards and Lord)
By killing players, you get nothing. (???)
Suggestion.
By killing players, you get Skelk.
Skelk:
Hp- 6500
Power- 1200
Damage reduction (both power and condi)- 15%
Purpose- To push lanes and focus on fighting players should they defend.
Abilities:
An auto with the same attack speed as Lightning Whip on Ele
A knockdown with low cooldown
A stealth with high cooldown triggered on finding and chasing a player
A shadowstep in case pathing fails
Thoughts?
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vFAQJArdhcMokhtMwnB0RMIBYzHYCQujBgKY9EaCJBA-TJBFwACOBAv2foaZAAPAAA
Earth Trait is up to you on the end, depending on whats harder. Easy way is they will drop you to the point infiltrate gives stealth. From there do the little knockdown rapid nuke combo (if you play FA S/F you know it by heart like I do). Congrats, you just murdered Thief/Mesmer.
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
We definitely didn’t get the vocally-passionate dev. Let’s hope he’s the secretly-implements-what-the-community-actually-wants dev.
My honest opinion working with and training RPG game designers for more than a decade?
He’s probably the most thoughtful of the personalities we’re seeing. He’s trying to hit a sweet spot where his designs won’t have to be nerfed later (which is generally more damaging to retention than being buffed after a weak start). He’s a bit conservative compared to the others, but there’s morsels of steak under the sizzle.
That said he’s got to be looking at the relative reactions to the various Especs and wanting to have a ‘hero moment’ or two of his own delivering some nice, defensible adjustments that build enthusiasm for his flock before all decisions are locked in.
I hope that impulse to be daring shines through. Soon.
Just my take.
This is my thought too. I’m glad we are weak enough not to hit nerfs after the first “omg op wtf roflcoptermao ice cream cones!” but still- having a little bit of something broken would be nice. Like vault evading the entire frame, then nerfed later to only 1/4 of the cast (somewhere). =P But yea, I’m cautiously optimstic. If the other classes don’t get nerfed though, we NEED to be dummy buffed.
Dummy Buffed: A funny goat with a long mustache takes a look and says BAAAHAHAHA and fixes things by accidentally adding random key strokes because he can’t control his mustache. Keystrokes like random 0’s added to the end of the number (X10 power).
Edit: Attempt at humor, do not judge.
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…Minus…you know…Thief and Ranger.
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
I feel late too. But I went and read the forums to Elementalist again and it went from small torch to large wildfire. I encourage you to read it =D
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
Grab your popcorn, brace yourselves. It’s going to be a good day =D
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
Same on my Necro. My mad outplays man. So proud. (DS 4, afk auto. oh look two dead thieves and I went to go grab a bagel. k)
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
WHAT?!?!?!!? kitten >.> But then again thats one skill. We need a weapon set with 1200 range. Another update to my list in my notebook of “you know you are outdated when”.
Currently:
You know you are outdated when:
You do less damage than a tank
You survive less time than a full glass cannon
You have less stealth than the secondary deception class
You have so little condi clear, you die to mobs in HoT expansion
And now, you have no 1200 range weapon unlike all other professions.
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
Meh, removing this thingie. Terrible postarino.
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Maybe increase the trait space, for example make minor traits selectable, so other traits can make a comeback, while others that have been baselined will now become optional (to reduce imbalance).
oh wow…. just wow.
somebody hire him already.
This.
/15char
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I don’t mean to be rude, I swear, but we have a 1200 range weapon? Where!?!?!? >.> I’ve been searching. All I see is 900. Any chance a trait… pistols at 1050. Ok, where’s the next 150 >.>?
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
I like how everyone acts like Thief is working as intended, then you look on the Thief forums and there is a post about its funeral. Kek.
Ah, do you think that thief is in a gret spot actually? ok ok…
Our actual role is focused on fast decapping and do +1 thanks to our mobility from 5# shortbow, now try to think what it would happens if only this kills get nerfed.
Do you think that a class is balanced when his role depend from just a single skill?
Please nerf also 5#shortbow and delete thieves from gw2, you are not capable of balance them, especially KARL who just nerfed and nerfed and nerfed. (i can’t forgot that troll trait 1 sec stability when out of stealth “so if an hammer stun is incoming you just go in stealth and then get revealed, and you will be ok”)
You my friend, need to learn to read people’s post history before ranting at them. Even better, read my signature. Even better than that, here is my pvp history: I have 1,235 games on Thief with second place being my Necromancer at 400 something last I checked.
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You could just invade all other forums like “yo, we got it worse”. And they will tell you, you are working as intended. - wut.
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
I like how everyone acts like Thief is working as intended, then you look on the Thief forums and there is a post about its funeral. Kek.
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
Some day… maybe another reply? procures and offers bacon
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vhAQNAscWlknhy0YjawTNwtGLqGEZAKQxL7QJ2GaXue2B-TJBFwACOFAI3foaZAAPBAA
For PvP. So far it works, the surprise damage of the swordsman or mage hitting people for 5-6k sticks along with 2-3k per wrack along with 1-1.5k per cry (I just dump everything, went well on chronomancer. not so well on mesmer). I just want to have some of the muscle memory (or all) down before next bwe. That and know what I should trait to do damage with and without the line.
But yea- trying to make super high burst build without chronomancer (for now, that will be something I try out when it becomes available). I’ve seen other Mesmers instagib people with Greatsword shatter combo, for some reason I couldn’t so I swapped to staff for more surprise damage.
Edit: More than willing to play Greatsword (I enjoy the playstyle) if someone can explain to me how in the kitten people were pumping 15-18k damage in a single super awesome looking combo.
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I need some pointers >.< I’m not sure what to take and what not to take.
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1Chronomancer
2Reaper
3Druid
4Herald
5Berserker
6Scrapper
7Tempest
8Dragonhunter
9Daredevil.
=/
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Sure you can run, from the pet with Sic’em on and the easy cripple, and the perma swiftness, and the stun….and the leap…. >.> Wait you said run right? I’m lost. Who here thinks Thief population plummets to 0.0001% of player base after HoT release? Unless Beta is incredibly good (and I mean we are so broken, we can kill things 1v1 again without having to be super pro mlg god tier thief player) Thief will just be a legend. In my opinion. My positivity for this class died horribly. Like I tried to be happy, then I saw Scrapper (which is an enormous middle finger to stealth thief) then I see that content bit “some things can’t just be dodged” (which is an enormous middle finger to non-stealth thief). Which leaves what? Good looks? Excuse me, my salt levels have risen.
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
Just delete your thief. I was so happy and hyped to be a week or so from my Incinerator for Thief, now I’m too sad to care. Literally the worst spec, with DH being a close second.
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
Is what I saw in a nutshell. Ranger’s got laughed at and disrespected, then suddenly… broken. Uber broken. Oh and we actually get to use Solarbeam. I forget what the number was or what gear he was using (he said no stats I think?).
Rundown:
-Get several new pet types (here there be dragons)
-Staff is very aspecty with damage+heal throughout
-Glyphs have an invert with Celestial Form (your new F5, no cooldown or such referenced). Basically take what it does in base, and flip it 180 style. Push becomes pull, daze becomes stun break, etc.
-Celestial form heals a ton and the number 5 is the biggest nuke I have laid eyes on in a while (combine with Glyph of pull you into my doom ring, and a gm that roots…)
- Gms focused on heal and support and control with very little deviation (ventari-ish)
But I just saw SOLARBEAM+DRAGONITE USES HYPER BEAM! And then I was happy.
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
Pets still there, but now you have dragons and dinos and omg awesome things.
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
Who else is now Ranger main because of Dragon Pets and for that new sweet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fZasDdxS4U Solarbeam?
Oh and how will taunt work with Fire Wyvern you think? Will they just start chasing the dragon around aimlessly XD?
=D Also, best reveal imo. Ranger being last= ranger being best confirmed?
Edit: I missed the beginning, did solarbeam thing do damage? And if so, how much?
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Thanks for that =D. For the Fire swap, what can I swap? I know its a bad sigil, but I can’t find anything that meshes well. No point in rage, I made a caster style build. Force sounds good on paper, but in practice adds very little. Blood only works if I’m not at full hp (and I intend to get the drop on them, so getting hit is not a good intention to set). What would you suggest?
Also, thoughts on the explosives build? It seems to work well on Kyhlo and Nifhel because of the narrow passages and my mine field. Thanks again by the way =).
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Trying to get pro help from people who have played engi a lot. I’m not sure which build is better (and I’m going full offense):
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vdAQFAUlUUharYXWwELQ+FLvFVYR1ap23DGhBw4aUj5IA-TJBFwACuAAI3foaZAAPAAA
Or
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vdAQFAUlUUhaqYjXwkLQ7FL5FF4BGAV13+9fB44VEilIA-TJBFwACuAAI3foaZAAPAAA
Is there better? Also, when Scrapper hits would it be worth my time to swap toolkit for that… uhm Bomb Gyro?
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Go nuts. Hammer 3, Axe 4, Shiro unblockable dash, Sword 3, Shiro Haste until energy is gone. If target still alive, swap legends and auto while mass buffing. =D profit?
Edit: Pvp.
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Someone posted this and I thought these would work as the new Dash and Bound animations. =)
http://imgur.com/PXuculu
Edit: Apparently can’t search it in imgur. It’s basically a near instant slide-port for Dash and a quick flip Bound (opposed to … the uh… thingie we have now).
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New Deadly Arts Grandmaster (or something…idk, I’m lazy)
Any Weakness applied by Thief now reduces condition damage by 50%. Boom. Viable. (Those 4000 burning stacks? 2k now, gg rolls eyes)
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
Was trying to find a way to discuss free advantage, but it’s like beating a dead horse. Thief needs updates to get closer to as much free advantage as other classes without being as strong as other classes completely- but definitely not as weak in 1v1 as now. (You hit an ele, giving them a boon and a ton of other goodies (arcane shield/armor of earth)).
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
1)What exactly do you want to do with it?
Me personally, I love the concept of having to plan a kill, go in, and then get out praying no one saw it happen. (even my current build emphasizes this http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vZAQNAoaVl0MhKnYxTw7Jw/EHwElPMij2YHoL3gqTgAIDA-TZBFABCcIAe4EAYz+DUXGAgnAAA ) As much as this current state of thief sucks, my build seems to work against people who aren’t expecting it. Barely, I mean the outplays are real.
2) Karl wanted to know where to stick Vault’s evade frame. Strawpoll?
http://strawpoll.me/5541833/r
Edit: Discussion for later removed from post.
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It’d have been a bit faster if there was a “Power, Toughness, (main stat) Condition Damage” amulet, but there wasn’t. =(
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vFAQJAoYnMIC1MgNOAGNA8RgBBALCAhyHwED2B3waT2GODA-TJxCABA8AAOZ/hjPBAbVGAA
First round kill, 17 seconds
When it reset and I peaked at 18 or 19 burn stacks, it was 4 or 5. Great stuff.
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
When you hang onto your class because you can move across the map (ala Mesmer portal) or group stealth your team (ala Scrapper gyro). But never was it imagined that we’d lose both so effectively. No longer valued in dungeons or mid tier pvp (let alone high). I need to find that video of the spanish gentleman who is missing teeth laughing in hysterics about the state of something. Last time I saw it was on LoL for Kalista’s release (which was accurate and hilarious). Anyone good with video edit?
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
“Thief is the class most beaten to a pulp. Players who choose this profession will play as the most difficult and frustrating character class ever designed. Cower as your enemies profit from your damaging and crowd control abilities more than you do. Flee, as they turn their attention on you and with one skill blast most of your life away. And remember good old Zero, practice the Fetal Position or you main find it is no longer practice.”
How’d I do? Not gonna lie, I’m pretty mad right now. Did that whole tryhard as Thief thing, then went lazy mode on my Mesmer which made me realize I can play half afk on Mesmer and do more than when I try on my Thief despite the high amount of games (ranked and unranked) I have on Thief compared to Mesmer.
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
Oh and I ran outta space to put my final note.
Towards each other, and in relation to current meta powercreep, the professions are balanced minus Thief. I mean our traited quickness and utility are beaten by a sigil, how is that not an obvious “please save this class” kinda sign?
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
You hit an enemy player and they (essentially) gain this effect:
Gain all boons
Inflict All conditions
Gain invulnerability for 5 seconds
CC your attacking enemy player for 3 seconds
Meanwhile Thief:
When struck, die. Or take that crappy trait, and when struck gain stealth for no apparent reason other than to die.
Don’t believe me?
1)Warrior gains retaliation for free if crit too hard, endure pain, balanced stance, etc. Also fire aura so some free might. Weapon swaps and their magical class mechanic delete conditions so hard and fast.
2)Ele? You guys know the truth, why bother.
3)Wanted to steal a mesmer? No MORE! Enjoy your free counter daze, the daze that’s even longer on you than them. The best part? They can mindlessly press all of their F skills and kill you in the process. GG condition pressure where you just got stunned by your own skills and by their very clumsy follow up where they LITERALLY PRESSED ALL THE BUTTONS THEY COULD AT ONCE and die too it because lets be real here, clearly outplayed by the 1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9/0/f1/f2/f3/f4 combo.
4)Ranger doing massive damage and you wanna crit them to death or apply massive condition? Pfft nah, there pet absorbs conditions passively, they apply protection and weakness for free, and the pet can taunt you and reveal you 24/7 meaning you die. Oh and taunt is unblockable/undodgable still, with apparently no ICD (got stun tauned by wolf so I stun broke, then got stun taunted by Eagle… yay). Just in case its not enough, the reveal negates 1/4 of your mechanical capability (stealth attacks) while increasing pet damage+move speed by 40%. No worries though, you can equip shadowstep to break both of these stuns which then gets followed by a Longbow2 that tracks you and you already used your steal to engage and save a teammate. GJ rallybot.
5) Necromaner gets a free fear on cc, that fear can apply damage, when they click death shroud they get 5 million possible buffs and debuffs as well as free skills like Dagger 5 or Axe 3. Most of their skills get extra benefits into them that are monumental and amazing (signets convert boons, wells leech+protection, DS already spoken for)
6) Guardians causing problems? Just hit em. Oh wait, that burn block+aegis. Man outplayed. Just wait a sec to cleanse those burns. OH crap, they just broke 7 by pressing one skill and getting 3 procs at the same time. Just break it. Wait its back. Break it again. Outta cleanse? No worries, you’re op. Find a way. Dead? Gods, you suck at this game and were totally outplayed.
7) Engineer is the only one I have respect for (AND THEY ARE THE SECOND MOST OVERLOADED) because its almost as bad off as we are. The good Engis are notable, but most are ignorable. Still though, cc them to get protection+blinds off. Hit them to get stunned. Get hit for massive damage, conditions, and basically death. Try to come at them, and they will just drop multiple kits. Explosions and elixirs have massive boon traitings, the utilities give tons of options and have multiple fantastic uses. No joke, they are overloaded but the good ones are absolutely amazing (though most try to run burn cheese).
8) Revenant is like a hyper upgraded, well cared for Thief. Its like Gandalf as he should have been (Lotr reference). Sword 3 dodge forever and apply huge increasing damage. Auto is faster. The hammer can nuke massive damage out with ease in an aoe from 1200 range (our longbow is mediocre 900, but you know that number 5 is so op). Conditions are no biggie, and they can support everyone.
And now we are at Thief. The only thing left to overload is our damage, our steal, and our stealth. However our damage is easily mitigated by the above reasons and our stealth is getting either outclassed or removed instantly. What we have left is steal, problem is we need sustained damage and Thief is simply too squishy for sustained damage (because remember, when you cc someone they actually benefit from it more than they get hurt).
tl:dr? Thief is out dated, I am salty from losing to crappy players who just press all the buttons in an unpredictable manner and somehow win. Meanwhile on my Ranger, Ele, Necro, etc etc I can beat these guys practically blindfolded. As Thief? I pray to god they don’t sneeze in my direction. I already know people are gonna say “stop beating a dead horse” or “u r so bad, l2p u scrub lerd”. I just had to vent, please excuse this.
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Any chance of help? I’m trying to pick my main alt, and this would mean I could use all my ascended gear in my bank (its all condi main stat repeats from pvp spamming).
So far, I am doing this. http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vFAQJAoYnMIC1MgNOAGNA8RgBBALCAhyHwED2B3waT2GODA-TJxCABA8AAOZ/hjPBAbVGAA
Anyone able to reach higher burn stacks (that is my number one goal over everything, not looking for defense just burns) than 17 on a burst with 9-12 sustained? I’d really like some help.
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Ok, finished the story and been reading all the lore I could find in game(btw, super late kudos to anet for a fantastic story arc. heading to the second one post incinerator), got kind of lost.
We have Dragons. But… no one states the difference between them and Elder Dragons. There also isn’t a number. I didn’t play GW1 so I also don’t know if any of the EDs died or what. Should probably ask my questions.
1) What’s the difference between base Dragons and Elder Dragons?
2) How many Dragons and Elder Dragons do we have?
3) Do the Elder Dragons “represent” certain areas? (Khal is desert/heat, Jor is mountain/snow, Zhai is wasteland/dead…etc)
4) Which Elder Dragons are still alive?
5) Why is Tequatl so special? (compared to all the other dragons, he is the only mini+wing+title+metaMegaevent…)
6) Do the strengths and weaknesses vary heavily between each Elder Dragon?
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Trying to make a pvp burn burst build. If this works, I will be on the fence as to who my second main is (I am looking but its Necro so far).
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vFAQJAoYhcMomhNOw0B8RMIAYRAIUeAmYwO4GWby2wZA-TJhAABws/A0nAAyKDAwDAAA
So far.
I am set on everything but the heal and the 9 skill. I am debating Arcane Wave heal (Balthazaar+GM in arcane) for the double burn. Also, Firestorm applies burn in a circle, Signet applies burning directly, Fire Axe just duplicates my 3 and 4. Help QQ
Edit: I am also debating sigil of rage for the quickness burst. Just depends- but right now these are best without it.
Edit2: I am basically trying to make a secondary main that does what my Thief does- gets in a fight and maximizes pressure within 3 seconds. If target survives pressure, withdraw and find a new one or continue and reapply pressure in a different way to ensure the kill. And that’s what this kind of does, just need help. The burst burn is at 17 stacks for 8.6k.
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Super happy on the changes, very muchly so looking forward to the next BWE. From my perspective, numbers are fine board wide. No need to touch them without further active testing from a majority of players.
The main thing to check is animations and progress. I was fine with the animations personally especially with utilities, Dust Strike and Vault. Which leaves Auto’s, Weakening Charge (doesn’t need much imo either), and the number 3 I never used. Oh and the dodges.
Dodges last BWE were coded as skills (all of them procced confusion and ate initiative, had pre-casts and After-casts iirc) and you said you fixed Lotus a bit. Can you check the Confusion and Initiative interaction with the other two as well? Last bit on the dodges- can these be the new Dash and Bound?
(((( http://imgur.com/PXuculu thanks Frobro)))))
Last thing for Vault having an evade frame- as much as I’d love 5 initiative cost, you might need to keep it at 6. If you put the evade at the beginning you continue the stigma that Thief/Daredevil is something you pay attention to last or if it comes at you (in which case, 5I cost). If you put at the end, people will again need to pay attention to Thief/Daredevil for the full duration of a fight which would be fantastic (and also warrant 6I cost). The evade frame is more beneficial at the END than the START, however it is your choice as to whether or not allow Vault be a skill that will soon be renamed Leap of Faith (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_-BOvWVycM) or to let it land and make Thief/Daredevil a teamfight threat that needs to be answered.
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Ahhhh, T1 problems. I feel for you guys, really I do. However, down in my tier, getting a group larger than 15 people on either side is a miracle. Most of the time its just little me and some other peep ramming doors with our golems and then swapping to heal tank solo builds. I feel for you guys =P
made for humor, do not get angry or offended XD
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Alchemyst, you ZHAIMAG! =P
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
Thief needs to be nerfed. Only those of Zhaitan’s descent will disagree. If you EVER propose a Thief buff, you shall become Risen. From there Jormag will fuse his Iceborn into your blood and you will become a Supercreep. Enjoy your new life, Zhaimag Minion.
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Would love some answers >.>
Not sure why so few are willing to give some?
Precursor- Was told to wait for HoT. I don’t know if I am that patient.
Turn Karma into Gold- Was told watch youtube. Can not find videos.
Turn Spirit Shards in Gold- Same as Karma.
Do I need to hand out one of my tp flipping techniques to get an answer D=?
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I found a trick to locate any POI, Vista, Waypoint, Skillchallenge, or “Heart” on the map that you are missing. Open your map and hover over that specific icon and it will highlight it. To test this (in case you are unsure) find an undiscovered vista on your map and before you unlock it, go to map and hover your mouse over the waypoint icon (XWPs/XWPs). Hope this helps other map completers like myself, I was astonished to find this. Thank you people who hang around Orr for map events and temples.
Now, how do I turn spirit shards and karma into money >.< I need to buy spark or get spark or something. Doing map complete, then I have enough badges for gift of battle and I really really want Incinerator (or Bifrost… Thief main and all that jazz, trying to choose). So yea, total how do I turn Spirit Shards/Karma into money and what is the best way to obtain a precursor? Thanks much.
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I wish I could offer upvotes, a sticky, a personal entourage of anet employees. But I can’t. So /agree!!! Oh, and +1.
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
They miss us already. Had to give someone a build to beat, and I quote, Cele and Mesmer because they are way too strong at this point. They said it was because of getting countered cough BULLkitten cough.
@Zero- I agree. I play Evelynn in League, I play Nova in HoT, Thief here etc, etc. I always play stealth burster whose consistent counterplay is literally “be observant, and build a little defensively” but nobody wants to be bothered with the definition of learn to play. They just wanna mash faces and see a victory sign.
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.