Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
Young Padawan, you have found the truth. Thief is no more, it is but a memory. Relinquish the struggle and abandon ye faith, just move on. It is Time.
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
You think if I typed out a rework that we all worked on together, that they’d use it XD?
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
Stun breaks. Boom, useful.
Edit: Did not read thread, but decided title said all =P Sorry if off topic.
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
It was hardly used because it showed how much hate Thief has when Warrior/Ranger have a 15s icd, Mesmer has kitten icd (now 0. perma quick is balanced), when Engi can get far more value from a utility skill over a trait, and when Guardians had it on 30s (now kitten , oh big deal) in an aoe party friendly manner. Legitimately, this Trait is garbage. Sorry to say. It needs to go icd 30s (and thats being generous) with it working as a trick icd skill for it to be worthwhile. But uh, guys, nerf thief remember? Too op.
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
staff is so Op I feel like Chuck Norris
It’s not op, its overcompensated. All it has is damage and evades with a few condi disablers. It’s also very, very slow which means against other Thief builds it gets outplayed. Don’t get me wrong, it is strong- but its not as strong as others in different ways. And unfortunately, Staff can’t be buffed anymore. But hey Thief op =P. The new e-specs weapon isn’t op =P, but Thief op.
Edit: Should probably explain. Daggers have high sustainable burst and execution, Pistols have high ranged burst and control, sword has high fight control through roots/boon-steal/stun, and shortbow is shortbow 5.
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
I lost my wits. I mean, my backstab does more than an Scrapper’s Hammer 1 but less than any of the 4 skills. But its k, I got stealth and they don’t. I’m op.
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
Doing better than my old class (in the signature). Anywho, trying to make a cheesy funny pvp build, surprising how easy it is to cheese things, but I only made it this far.
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vdAQFASncoC1ahFpCepCEqCl7iiO1jdgLYEGAA-T5QGwAAeAAg2fAaZAA
Unsure if Final Salvo increases Gyro explosion radius or not. If not, I’ma grab the Perfectly Weighted trait. Missing a second sigil and a full third trait line. Yes, in legitimate matches this won’t work. But most people taking elite lines don’t take legitimate builds, so I chose this to counterplay it. Check out how many Berserkers take Defense, Chronomancers take Chaos or Inspiration, or how many Reapers snag Death Magic. =) Just taking advantage of a funny meta.
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
I guess I’m just stuck figuring out my third line. I’m doing quad gyros and flamethrower with fire arms and scrapper. Static discharge isn’t working (probably because the tool belts don’t target enemy players), what do I take? Trying to maximize damage and lockdown and so far the dump damage is scary, but not terrifying. Was hoping I’d hear it was a bug not intended. What should I take with my build?
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
But how are they not? Its like saying Elixir Gun 4 and 5 (or Mortar 5) even don’t count as elixirs. They explode when they break.
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
What? Can someone explain? I trait into explosives for this, and they aren’t explosives. No modifiers, no condis, no traited condi. Nada. =( I’m sad now. Oh and they don’t work on static discharge.
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
I meant THIS patch. Today.
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
I miss chill being an execute and gaining +50% damage when they were below 50%. Why did it leave?
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
I checked, we’re safe this time. I think. rechecks
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
I like how you missed the reference to the bugged skill not working and the player…never mind. Working as intended =P. I had other Thieves tell me I was hacking for hitting so fast. Unload+PointblankrageFF/ID/DD so good.
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
No I mean Shortbow 5. Be anywhere, anytime is unbalancable. Its why I’m confused we ever got it. If that gets removed, Thief is not in PvP. I doubt Thief will last long in serious raid groups at its current power level. I have a rework idea, but people will be traumatized from “oh my god, I died once to Thief, it was scary, no buffs” so I’m wondering I should even bother. I personally think I did it well.
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
All the funny people are gone =( Still got Zero and Azure though so I mean, they’re funny. =D
Btw- Nerf Thief. Knocked me down from 1200 range using his Scorpion Wire and I had to walk over and kill him. To broken. Took 3 seconds, make it take 1.
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
Honestly the fact that the community has to KEEP reminding them over and over for 4 months of patches for the simplest thing to be fixed is depressing. I mean…how hard can it be to change one freaking number? seriously an amateur programmer could do this change in a matter of minutes and it can’t be done by an entire team in 4 months? I realize other things like the expansion are going on but this is still very sad to say the least.
You play Thief. Thief doesn’t get nice things. Now go sit down and play with your bugged Scorpion Wire, mass amount of “No valid Pathing”, and your fantastically cruddy damage/survivability and REMEMBER to thank the anet gods for putting 60%-80% of Thief class power budget into a single skill.
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
The 0 response to major crisis is fun. We are worse than warrior, but they got buffed. Bright side, first patch in a while with 0 nerfs. Counts for something right?
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
I wanna post my idea, but its a near full rework/buff thing involving the removal of the power budget stuck in shortbow 5 (where 80% of it is). Is that k lol?
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
Flanking Strike is now two skills. Flanking Strike hits once now, but Larcenous hits once. However FS is 3 and LS is 2, and it used to be 4. Nw, you get your evade still. Oh wait…Ok. FS is 4 and LS is 2. Alright. No? More? Ok. FS only procs LS if it hits a target that is not blocking/evading/blinding/moving-funny. Too much? Ok FS is 4 and LS is 1. Oh but FS isn’t unblockable, yet LS is. K? No? Infiltrator Strike has a cast time. And doesn’t break stun. And LS only takes 1 boon. Better? Too much? Jeez, picky. BOYS PACK IT UP, WE CAN’T NERF IT ENOUGH.
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
Just roll Sentinel amulet with Mercy Runes and grab Acro/SA/DD for max speed decap+rezbot. Screw +1.
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
I had one complain about it. Cracked me up “but then I’m out of energy” “and I’m out of initiative. however you can swap legends and start at 50% energy again” “thief still op, has shortbow 5”. Screw it, delete shortbow 5. Give us real wep sets. No, better. Just nerf shortbow 5 to 15 initiative.
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
are you kittening kittenting me? if you;’re d/p or s/d
thief is currently so kittening overpowered and braindead and easy mode kitten
Agree.
He personifies genius. Thief op and braindead and easy mode. Must be true.
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
Shh Thief is fine. Can kill low hp players. Its fine. Cuz shortbow 5.
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
If it was landing hits DH wins again. Thief has to get and stay in melee (unless pistols, but then sustained dps ends in 2-3 seconds and then drops drastically).
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
No doubt, Thief op. It once killed me when I ran away with no cooldowns at 20% hp. Clearly broken, nerf em.
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
…War may be weak, but not uh…not this weak lol. If I land one good hit, I can usually chain someone dead. Multiple someones if they group. =D Condi Zerker is funny btw. When you play War, think in combos. Not “drop kit drop kit drop kit” but “If I get in melee, and swap to berserk mode I can taunt then bash then grind”. Btw, that combo usually kills guys in condi mode. =)
Not saying War is in a great place, but…its not this bad. Thief is this bad. War is getting there. Best to worst is Guardian>Mesmer>Necromancer>Elementalist>Revenant>Engineer>Ranger>Warrior>>>>Thief. Guard would be behind Revenant, but DH is strong still.
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
I’m highly amused especially by the “DH dps is lower than Thief”. Thats amusing. Please thread, don’t die. I need popcorn, be back in 10. PICK UP THE PACE. Cuz uh, 4s cooldown 1200 range piercing 9k shots are higher than 4s positional 6k shots in melee range for single targets lol. Oh and Black Bunny, thank you for being one of the few who admits Thief isn’t a real class =P
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
I agree with this Azure guy. Nerf Thief man, they can BREATHE IN MY AIRSPACE. Also, buff my Dragonhunter. I died once, terrible track record.
Jeez, that stealth so strong (hides engi, ranger, guardian, warrior (that was fun), Revenant (that was fun too), mesmer and necro). Stealth too strong, nerf Thief Stealth.
Also, Thief has stealth only skills. Remove them. And the dual skills. I’m tired of the 3 spam.
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
Ask for buffs, receive nerfs. Lets beg for more nerfs, maybe we’ll get buffs?
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
Oh my bad. I thought we were comparing casts not animation-casts. Oh well. I usually play pistol/pistol these days. Best weaponset now. (Yay bound)
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
They did that. Its called Larcenous Strike. The entire history of Larcenous Strike is a “buff” =P. Its a good read, wanna hear?
Edit: What do we get nerfed next? I mean all it takes is making Preparedness baseline and increasing our health pool to medium to make enormous strides to making us worthwhile again but keep the high skill caparino. I can’t think of what they nerf next. Headshot doesn’t daze anymore, just weakens?
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
(edited by Serious Thought.5394)
If you’re specced in to trickery daze on steal is solid for any build. When fighting mordrem you have a good chance to also get a branch as the stolen item, which you can follow up the steal with.
Also, the new daredevil elite is better than BV at smashing break bars, even if you don’t have any traits invested in physicals given the daze>launch in its first two attacks, which is two hard CCs with no cast time compared to BV’s one CC with a cast time if you haven’t traited for venoms.
Other way. You cast once, BV is set. You cast twice (in melee range) and you get TD. Also (some kind of bug) but BV takes more of a breakbar per hit than TD. Just a thought.
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
Break bars deplete from these (though effectiveness changes based on mob scale, for instance vet+ doesn’t break to damage):
Blind
Cripple
Chill
Root
Damage
Fear
All forms of stun.
I’d suggest Pistol/Pistol as its easier with Bandits Defense, Scorpion Wire and either Distracting/Impairing/Tripwire. Probably basilisk, the new elite is for pvp.
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
Thief is incredibly difficult right now, nerfed too hard (with no end in sight. guildies taking bets on what they nerf tomorrow =P) but the best vanilla build is meta battle or stealth rezzer (mercy runes, sentinel ammy). The best DD is up to question, but if I fight someone who is pretty bad I can beat em up. If they are half decent, I’m dead.
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
No man, keep nerfing Thief. These nerfs totally don’t affect pve. Nah man, its fine, nerf a class so hard it can’t even pve. =) Comon anet, you know you wanna.
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
Balance Patch 11/11:
We deleted Short Bow 5 (drop mic).
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
So if War is a ranger pet, what is Thief? D= I’m terrified to hear. Are we just terrain now?
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
This might not be the “correct” place to put this, but it needs to be somewhere for reference:
All of the elite specs are made to play Rock>Paper>Scissors on each other.
Dragonhunter has to place traps as the longbow damage is highly choreographed (er, video games, telegraphed). Scrapper has an evade and block, as well as a reflect. With that much utility, you just need raw sustained damage to break it- hence Reaper. Reaper hits hard (a bit slow) and lasts long (still slow). To kite the Reaper you need Chronomancer. No need to explain. However, Chrono needs to be aoe’d- Tempest has large zone control. Tempest won’t be strong close…etc…etc…etc. I’d explain more, but I’m sure someone will try to poke holes. Anywho, my 2 cents. =)
I kill DH on DD Thief. No weapons, using condi. Yolo.
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
You shouldn’t go offense at all with that. I’ve been using this pretty effectively- (weakness stuns, but otherwise its fine) http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vZAQNAoaVn0MB1OhVmCemCkmiFmiyLFyhagrACgBYO9b/5H-TJBGABeXGAgnAQanCAb2fAA
I’m thinking of going Staff- Pistol/Dagger with Dash though because of the sheer value in Dash compared to the other 2…
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I just laugh. I love people getting super angry over a video game. Especially unranked/hotjoin- juicy stuff. However, if I’m in a less agreeable mood, I cope with the rage by spending my whole game hunting them down mercilessly and camping them wherever they go. Oh and asking teammates to call them out when they see em- yay for premades =D.
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
Pistol/Dagger works really well on melee and Staff works great on ranged. Also, at least two lines defensively (trickery counts as 1, think of making at least some of DD defensive) and then grabbing offensive utilities (and Dagger Storm) works pretty well.
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
=/ So I wasn’t alone. I still use it because on the off chance it hits, its devastating. But anything past 450-500 range will rarely hit if the target is moving.
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
I’ve been using this skill exclusively because when (and oh so rarely is it when) it connects at least the slow dagger or the immob dagger, I can catch my target. Most of the time though, it veers off so far from my target I wonder where it was aimed at. Other times (at point blank range too =/ I hate you Niflhel/Skyhammer/Foefire) it will get obstructed from 150-200 range away with nothing in between us. So the payoff is that this skill is enormously powerful. The drawback is that it almost NEVER lands. Rather depressing, but still worth keeping in case it does hit through sheer, dumb luck. =( It’s my favorite skill. Gotta swap it for Scorpion Wire sometimes (which is even more unreliable….) and then probably put Distracting in which doesn’t work within my build that well =/. Anyone else running into this issue, or am I just really bad at throwing this thing competently?
Edit:This is PvP related. It almost always land in PvE, but something keeps happening and I’m not sure what to cause it to miss often… Also, I should probably point out that the obstructed happens more often when someone jumps after I throw (.-.) or when I throw em-they land (obviously)-then the person jukes behind some random wall or other person causing it to obstruct or hit someone else. And by “land” I mean its touching the character models head/chest/legs/w-e.
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
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If they fix Warriors and ignore Thief I’ma be salty. Let’s get fixed at the same time? =D Like bros?
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
It doesn’t include all changes to head shot, black powder and such :P
It was 4 years of changes, I may have skipped a line, if you can find when the major changes happened I’ll include them. Also I left black powder out on purpose because the changes never really seemed that impressive or impactful
From memory, headshot became more expensive and the stun became shorter maybe about dec 2013
Headshot never changed. It may have fluctuated, but Thief is pretty close to release as it is now =P Just miss old assassin signet, backstab, and heartseeker. =/ Then I’m set.
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
Ah release…
The list of did you knows*
3rd Dagger auto applied Weakness, not Poison
Shadow Shot used to be blockable (teleport)
3rd Sword auto used to not apply weakness on top of cripple
Infiltrator Strike used to have no cast time for either port
Infiltrator Strike used to only cost 2 init to go, and 1 to return
Flanking Strike used to be only one skill with a total cost of 4 and hit twice
Flanking Strike used to not steal boons
Flanking Strike (hit for hit) used to deal less damage
Pistol Whip used to stun for 3/4 second, now 1/2
Body Shot used to only apply 5 stacks of Vulnerability (no root)
Body Shot used to cost 1 less initiative
Shadow Strike used to not be a Combo Finisher
Shadow Strike used to not deal Torment
Choking Gas used to have no cast time
Choking Gas used to deal no damage outside of poison
Hide in Shadows had no cast time
Venoms used to have 45 second cooldowns
Shadow Trap used to have 30 second cooldown
Signet of Shadow used to be an aoe blind AND immobilize
Venom Duration used to be 45 seconds
Skale used to apply weakness not torment
Caltrop Trick used to have 14 second duration
Tripwire used to apply light damage
Tripwire used to only affect 1 target
Haste used to REMOVE all your endurance and REMOVE endurance gain
Thieves Guild used to have no cast time
Basilisk Venom used to turn to stone (think Ele Ice bow 5, stun breakers didn’t work)
Dagger Storm didn’t used to apply stability
Caltrops didn’t use to show enemies the ring they affected
Thieves Guild used to have more tools more frequently and deal more damage
Things hard to find in the video but that are important In my opinion:
Once, there was no torment
Once, people thought that Thieves Guild was good and Basilisk was bad
Once, people thought that P/P was a terrible set
and Once upon a time there was no reveal
There are other cookies, but this is to show you that things changed considerably, and we haven’t changed nearly as much. What actually happened is all the other classes have enjoyed massive power creep. Food for thought, right?
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I just pull them to me then stunlock em. Easy peasy.
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.
There are 3 versions of amulets: 3 stats, 4 stats, and celestial amulet.
1200/900/900- Berserker, Assassin, Rampager, Carrion, Rabid, Settler, Cleric, Valkyrie, Knight, Barbarian, Cavalier, Sentinel, Soldier, Magi, and Sinister. As you can see, this is the MAJORITY. A total of 3000 stat points.
1050/1050/560/560- Wanderer, Viper, Marauder, Vigilant, and Crusader. This is the Minority of amulets. A total of 3220 stat points.
560/560/560/560/560/560/560- Celestial, the Lone Wolf amulet. A stat point total of 3920.
From this alone, we see massive amounts of disparity and why some amulets are better than others. This is not a nerf Celestial thread by intention, but a necessity by design. Celestial has 920 more than the majority, and 700 more than the minority. It is inherently toxic to the game simply because IF your build works with celestial (usually via boon stacking), your build will be broken strong. Period, no discussion. No middle ground. My suggestion is to put all amulet totals INTO the 3220 category. It makes far more sense to buff the majority and nerf the solo (in my opinion) as a middle ground is already present. How does this work?
3220-3000=220 extra points into a 1200/900/900 (3 stats) combo. Roughly 73 points extra per stat creating a 1273/973/973. It looks odd, but as a pure balance concept it is correct.
Now to bring celestial to the rest of the amulets:
3920-3220=700 points to lose over 7 stat selections, meaning 100 loss per. Creates 460/460/460/460/460/460/460.
Thoughts? I am just tired of being forced to select marauder because I lose out when I swap to zerker or assassin, and tired of celestial builds being so inherently powerful (made cele reaper, scrapper, tempest, druid, etc (all elites minus Daredevil)). These balance suggestions mean each amulet is balanced and you pick to compliment your build instead of “oh if I have less stats to select, I lose stat points. less points means less power, better pick a 4 or cele”. Just my opinion, but again I’d love a suggestion or discussion. I doubt anet will do anything =( I wish they would, its pretty obvious when you put this all on paper side by side. Unlike traits/runes/sigils, the power is simply in allocation over effect, meaning discussion IS number based. Anywho, sorry for the wall.
Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.