Guild Wars 2

How much damage would you lose for your unload? Imo, pistol has been fairly viable (though I just realized it. a root, daze, and a blind all in one set is pretty potent apparently o.O)- it just needed range. But Thief can’t have range apparently, so just damage? Right now my build loads Pistol as 326 per shot for 8 shots.

My version is 326 per shot for 10 shots, each shot applies might when fired, and vuln if it lands. Merge with that Crit trait with vuln on crit (I use it), and it’d be fairly potent.

Adjusting the sword, thanks for the clarification. I will adjust when I have time again. Hope this thread gets more input, I’d love for it to be on the next Dev stream where they go “So apparently Thief needs XYZ”. Won’t happen, but it’d be nice. And I agree the other pistol trait is bad. It’s better to take the vuln or the ferocity over the cripple unless you are playing Speed style (which is funny, but weak).

D= My impatience is unreal right now. I’m sorry for bothering so much, I’ll stop now. XD But the struggle.

I don’t get a listing fee back if I remove it from listing right? Debating just making two ascended pistols and then reskinning em or something =/.

Well I listed it. Then I got undercut. Siiiigh. Why is it so hard. Look at Incinerator undercuts btw, theres like a 250g gap. But why XD That’s so stupid imo.

You might like this.
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vZAQNAoYVlsMh+mYjTwsJw/EH8ElPKeiqYXAzWEoPzfIAA-TpRBQBR4QAYsTAQA3fgMlBewRAAAPAAA

I also did this for hilarity.
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vZAQJAWVnsMBdmiVmCGPBkmiFYCbLQtcGUzdwR4KULBEAyAA-TJBFwACOEAI3foaZAAHBAA

Current build is much different and much funnier, but I thought you might get a kick outta these. I slammed a 16k backstab onto a cele yesterday ^.^ Gonna try again, but it was more of a stars aligned kinda kill.

Maugetarr.6823:

Step 2: Make Preparedness baseline. Replace with Nasty Business. Nasty Business: Stealing to a target reduces your cooldowns by 5% of their remaining cooldowns. This makes Trickery highly desirable BUT not necessary. Just like Daredevil.
I’d rather move Bountiful theft into this slot. They moved boon on attune for eles, this one shouldn’t be that big of a problem. Then the replacement skill for the master level can be “Pistol Shots Pierce. Extend outgoing vuln duration by 33%”

Step 3: Buff the entire Sword set (Including Flanking Strike, Larcenous Strike, Stab, and Pistol Whip). If you are feeling lazy, I believe a 4-8% damage boost would be a good testing ground.
It needs it. I’d rather see the aftercasts reduced because they seem to mess with Flanking strike as was discussed in a different thread.

Step 4: Backstab needs to have more payoff. We know you don’t care when Dragonhunters are busy shooting 4-12k shots from 1200 range that can hit multiple targets. Ignoring EVERYTHING else about them too. Backstab hits 2k front or 4k back on most meta builds as a meta build, its also melee and requires stealth. DH just requires waiting 4s. I’d honestly say a 25-50% boost on this as well as making it unblockable would do absolute wonders.
Making it do more damage and unblockable would probably make it OP. One or the other might be fine.

Step 5: Flanking Strike traits (RENAME THIS GOOD LORD) cooldown reduced to 30 seconds. I’d want more, but then again its not allowed- but 15s icd Ranger/Warrior, 1s icd Revenant, 5s ICD (oh wait…0…) Mesmer/Chronomancer. But ours is 60 seconds. Sigils do better than this trait, most of us just don’t use it.
Haste (flanking strike) and Roll for Initiative should both probably be on 30 seconds CD’s. RFI might need the initiative gain reduced, but it could definitely use some help.

1) Heartseeker modifier bars moved to 66/44/22%. Yep.
This wouldn’t be bad, It’s a reversion back to the old style, but your levels are weird 100%>66%>33% = 1.0>1.5>2.0

2) Dancing Dagger initiative cost reduced by 1, bounces up by 1.
I’d actually remove the bounces entirely and give it a rollover that marks the target you hit similar to warrior’s thrown sword ability. Dancing Dagger can stay at 3 initiative, but the rollover should be instant cast and shadowstep you to your target removing a condition and crippling the target for 3 seconds. 2 initiative.

3) Cloak and Dagger applies blind on hit.
Yep

4) Flanking Strike ABILITY (….comon…) is merged with Larcenous.
That’s a bad reversion. I’d rather see them add the 2 boons stolen back into it.

5) Infiltrator Strike TO has no cast, but LEAVE still does.
Meh.

6) Pistol Whip applies 1 stack of stability that lasts from the beginning of skill cast to the end. Reason? Mirror of Anguish. Evade too.
Eh. I think the bigger problem with this skill is the long windup before the initial stun, no to mention the root. It’s too clunky in the set overall. D/P is a fluid set. S/P should be too.

7) Shortbow range increased to 1200 for the auto attack.
If they don’t revert the heatseeking characteristic of them there’s no point. The auto would just be sidestepped at range.

8) Pistols range buffed to 1000. Even. Done. Badabing, badaboom.
9) Double condition durations on Body Shot or reduce initiative cost by 1.
10) Unload shoots 2 more shots, speed up animation. Leave the price, cast time, and damage per bullet.
We’re probably going to need a new ranged weapon before we get longer range. I’d rather have the autos apply vuln so they’re useful for both power and condi(6 seconds). Body shot should be changed to poison to make up for the lack of bleed on autos and it will also synergize well with power or condi(2X6 seconds). P/P 3 needs to be a backwards rolling evade firing 4 shots like the matrix and have a leap finisher. Total of a 2.0 multiplier on the 4 shots. (4 initiative)

11) Bug fix Impairing Daggers to actually perform the Combo Finisher. Make them faster too so they hit moving targets.
No opinion.

12) Bug fix Scorpion Wire.
This really just needs to shadowstep your opponents to you with a .25 second knockdown after the shadowstep.

-Your first point puts two traits for pistols in two VERY different lines.
-Aftercasts can be removed by skills with 1/4 second cast time (Distracting Daggers effectively turns my unload into 9 shots with a daze, and I lose almost no time because it kills the aftercast).
-Maybe, but think about it- We have to stealth, get into melee (Age of AOE murderization/invuln 24/7), get behind a moving target, get ON them within I think 130 range, then get 4k. This assumes you aren’t revealed or killed in the process. And if you burn Steal to get in, it means you are down to a full multiskill combo like Mesmer.
-Agree, its just not good enough for the trade off.
-Heartseeker numbers were just thrown, will adjust original post.
-That could work, but then I can’t spam my dancing dagger then swap shortbow and maintain my aoe ranged presence. Not sure how I feel personally.
-Yep.
-Thats what I was saying, merge the skills and it steals 2 boons. But I don’t S/D much. So should it stay two separate skills, is that better?
-I have no problem landing pistol whip, I just feel so darn vulnerable in the charge up time.
- So speed shortbow auto projectile up?
- I’d rather autos stay same, and vuln per bullet on unload. Then the whole set retains its power with a hint of control flavor. Also, I play Pistols a lot- I’d die inside if I lost unload to some kind of Lucian ability. Stays same, add bullets and speed cast- else do not touch this or I will be gone from the game within 30 minutes unless I don’t lose damage. Body shot problem is just that the root is too short and the vuln wears off before I finish unload. It doesn’t need more condi. Give any condi to shadow strike or stay off body shot.
-I can’t make these work on moving targets outside of 600-750 range. Very agitating. They jump and I miss, they /dance and I miss, they use any mobility and I miss, they stand still after I toss and I miss.
- That could work, I’m just worried about the bloody pathing in this game. I’d prefer a 1200 range knockdown with a chance to pull (current) opposed to a 1/100 chance to just displace someone.

They have red rings, its called the downed state ;D

How to fix Thief FIX:

Step 1: Rename Flanking Strike trait or Flanking Strike Sword 3 ability. Seriously, this is just embarrassing.

Step 2: Make Preparedness baseline. Replace with Nasty Business. Nasty Business: Stealing to a target reduces your cooldowns by 5% of their remaining cooldowns. This makes Trickery highly desirable BUT not necessary. Just like Daredevil.

Step 3: Buff the entire Sword set (Including Flanking Strike, Larcenous Strike, Stab, and Pistol Whip). If you are feeling lazy, I believe a 4-8% damage boost would be a good testing ground. (Maybe reduce aftercasts?)

Step 4: Backstab needs to have more payoff. We know you don’t care when Dragonhunters are busy shooting 4-12k shots from 1200 range that can hit multiple targets. Ignoring EVERYTHING else about them too. Backstab hits 2k front or 4k back on most meta builds as a meta build, its also melee and requires stealth. DH just requires waiting 4s. I’d honestly say a 25-50% boost on this (or) making it unblockable would do absolute wonders.

Step 5: Flanking Strike traits (RENAME THIS GOOD LORD) cooldown reduced to 30 seconds. I’d want more, but then again its not allowed- but 15s icd Ranger/Warrior, 1s icd Revenant, 5s ICD (oh wait…0…) Mesmer/Chronomancer. But ours is 60 seconds. Sigils do better than this trait, most of us just don’t use it.

Ok so now most of the class is fixed, yay. Now for flavor fixes:

1) Heartseeker modifier bars moved to (100/66/33%). Yep.
2) Dancing Dagger initiative cost reduced by 1, bounces up by 1.
3) Cloak and Dagger applies blind on hit.
4) Flanking Strike ABILITY (….comon…) is merged with Larcenous. (being debated, I don’t s/d much) (Nevermind, just let Larc pre-proc from FS not hitting and steal 2 boons again)
5) Infiltrator Strike TO has no cast, but LEAVE still does.
6) Pistol Whip applies 1 stack of stability that lasts from the beginning of skill cast to the end. Reason? Mirror of Anguish. Evade too.
7) Shortbow (shots now hit targets despite them moving)
8) Pistols range buffed to 1000. Even. Done. Badabing, badaboom.
9) Double condition durations on Body Shot or reduce initiative cost by 1.
10) Unload shoots 2 more shots, speed up animation. Leave the price, cast time, and damage per bullet. (Or maybe just vuln/might per shot? Something to make it spicy)
11) Bug fix Impairing Daggers to actually perform the Combo Finisher. Make them faster too so they hit moving targets.
12) Bug fix Scorpion Wire.

How did I do guys? Am I a dev now =D? I will add anything you want.
If I change anything it will be in ( ).

Your post has been infracted because it reflected poorly on Anet and etc etc etc. I’m betting it now, gonna be funny.

Nerf Thief though, is comparable.

We realized that Thief has two 1200 range abilities, and have thus decided to reduce them down to 900 range for clarity.

Scorpion Wire: Range reduced from 1200 to 900.
Steal: Range reduced from 1200 to 900.

God speed.

I’m trying that, no one is biting. >.< Try harder?

Edit : Working this out in game. Again, was a funny story.

So the long story: I was playing D/P thief a while and was like “Hey, I have enough for Gift of baelfire and my chef/weaponsmith are at 400”. So I got the Gift of Incinerator, then got map complete for Gift of Mastery. Then my buddy was like “yo I got spark, you want” and I said yes. At that point I was almost done, so I spent about a week getting Gift of Fortune (this whole process is about 4 months of effort, and my first legendary ever…which is more awkward…) and decided I liked Quip better. But, I was almost done and thought “Well I can sell it right? Then buy Quip”. Forgot about listing fees, thwarted my plan to own my legendary.

Edit: I play pistol/pistol thief now. So ye…

I know I’m not allowed and I’m not trying. Just sharing my awkward story. Of a really bad player lol.

I don’t have enough gold to list. I have like 50 silver remaining and nothing in my material storage. I need 160 gold to list it, then have enough to turn around and buy Quip. I’m at the point I’m telling people I will give them Incinerator flat out, no strings if they gimme Quip. But apparently that sounds suspicious =( Its an honest trade, I’m more than willing lol but people are suspicious because society is mean.

Yep. Made it. Realized I wanted other legendary. Can’t post it. =( Not sure what to say, but I thought my story might get a laugh at dumb I was lol. Was like ah YE! Then I made Gift of Incinerator and got Spark and was like….no…I want Quip >.> Finished making Incinerator anyway because 75% of the way there is too much to stop.

Looking for advice at this point. I’d contact Customer Support, but I doubt it’d get leeway into this kinda thing.

Everyone knows Preparedness needs baseline. But its k, Illusionary Persona was a far more necessary trait?

I feel like Meow was being sarcastic….

Good name play there :P

Get a commander tag, have as many people as you can go into that squad. If possible you want 2-3 of these types of groups. Just call events, priorities for event completes are Defense>Champions>Escorts>Other. If Plinx/Melandru/Grenth/Arah come up, you want to go to them immediately- they have a lot of good loot. More people, more mobs, more loot, more experience =D I may make that my tag. I also feel like someone is going to correct me in which case: I don’t do this map often, and I just started commanding. In one hour I broke 2.5 million mastery experience (I’m doing t4 legendary journey), I honestly don’t know what an experienced orr commander could get =D.

Anywho, I’m just trying to move people from the SW. I get everything I do in SW in Orr, faster and easier without having to split choices like Event then ChestX2 then EventX2 then ChestX4 etc etc. Not trying to burst bubbles.

Tl:dr- Experienced Orr event farming people will level masteries very quickly. I just do all events I can. Trying to save people from Silverwastes farming as it is no longer as profitable, and I also get plenty of Spirit Shards doing Cursed Shore specifically.

Before I forget- Cursed Shore=Orr. I may have messed up lol.

Cursed Shore event farming is the best Non-CoF way to max your masteries quickly. And I mean really quickly. ^.^ Gl out there. Of course, this assumes you do it right =P

And 10 might. Also elite trap.

Maybe they promised Withdraw 10% buff so they could say they’d do it eventually, but really it was just a way to nerf Thief without Thief knowing? Nerfception >.>

I kinda have to Daredevil to make my pistols work and not be garbage. However, I’d be so much better and more efficient if I JUST HAD A FRIGGIN BASELINE PREPAREDNESS. kitten. Salt aside, =(

I love Vault spamming Thieves AND Deathblossom spamming Thieves. “Spam”. So easy to kill em during the act, let alone when they keep trying and failing then OOI themselves.

Distracting Daggers+Headshot ftw? “But pistols only use unload”…only if you suck at pistols =D?

Disclaimer: I only pvp Thief except when I need daily.

I want Power/Condition Damage+ Precision/Ferocity,and really any combination of that.

Or, you know, I just walk up to you in stealth and then Final Thrust… =D yay for runes of infiltration, amirite?

Viable choices as Daredevil. Not as Core Thief. These need to be separated.

Put a Pact chopper in lions arch, directly behind Fractals? Maybe? Idk. I haven’t done raid much, still not gotten an organized group he beat Vale Guardian.

Another thing to tack on (can’t believe I’m wading into this hell storm, but I bought this game solely for the Thief class and I’m ready to leave based solely on its state. so I care. stop judging me) is that many Thief players have stated in game and off that they’d give Shortbow 5 away for an actual class. Like Azure said, it doesn’t make sense to give a class an advantage then nerf it dead- just change the advantage. Also, I like how you want this balanced around PvP content and then ignore PvE… we are the new Ranger. In actual raid groups, I can’t get in. I’m a Thief, I literally bring nothing. I do not have high damage, I do not have great condi, I don’t enjoy high supportive capabilities, I’m not particularly survivable without dodges, but its k I can shortbow 5 the boss? I mean…really? Its totally ok to nerf a Thief straight from no PVP viability to gtfo my raid PVE viability? Makes sense guys. Warrior still goes, its why I firmly believe that you are in a better spot. You have SOMETHING. Thief is just the run in circles. Also, I think both classes need help so don’t try and tell me I play favorites- read the signature.

I am ready for people to argue with the most logical post in this forum. Go.

meow one twenty.4376:

incisorr.9502:

are you kittening kidding me? thieves are the most overpowered and forgiving class at the moment

i dont know what more do you kittening want when each of your skills is a dodge, gap closer, cc, 10k dmg, you literally only have to spam one button and you even cry about it? rofl

imagine if you had to play another class

Have you tried pressing buttons when there’s a Thief around?

He complains on anyone with Stealth. Despite all classes having access to stealth…

OH! Dhuumfire Necro release.

meow one twenty.4376:

Serious Thought.5394:

We failed gentleman. What if we fixed dodges to root Thief players when they end?

Moving now applies Reveal.

GENIUS! Do it. Now. No lunch breaks!

Sword/Pistol Thief
D/D ele
Hambow Warrior
PU Condi Mesmer
Turret Engi

We failed gentleman. What if we fixed dodges to root Thief players when they end?

But its k, Thief is apparently still op to players like “Vieux P.1238” so nerf us more. This totally isn’t December 10th all over again. Nope.

Or play trading post. I’m making 50-60g an hour right now (secret is mine because I’m greedy). Just search items, watch trends, in a day or so hit it. A good thing to do is dip lightly, if it profits a LOT, then go full dive. Easy money.

“Dodge the traps”

Spear+JI+Focus5
Double instant cast trap+Heal trap
Pull+Sword3
Sword 2+Focus 4

GG, 24k damage. Good dodge, can’t dodge the spear. #NidaleeEloProblems…er…#DragonHunterEloProblems. Wrong game.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/cdi

ANet needs to use these. I alt Warrior second place lately (discovered the joy of 14k gunflames >=D ). Hoping that “How to Fix Warrior” and “How to Fix Thief” appear there. What if War/Thief united for spamming the forums to fix us until Anet does it?

Edit: Sorry for disturbing the war forums. I’m just concerned and wanna help. We are both in need.

Nier.8741:

Thief needs numbers as buffs, Warrior needs evade-hate and baseline unblockables to be viable in this fail meta. This game is just so bad, I’m getting crushed so hard in DOTA and I still feel like it’s a better game LMAO.

Needs more of a rehaul and several baselines, then moving traits, then getting new traits. After that we need weapons looked at as some are clearly outclassed and GARBAGE. Once thats done, I’d like our utilities fixed, heals evened out, and some good friggin elites. But ye, mentality as quoted will be what Anet does “Oh shut up stupid Thief players, take this 4% damage buff to heartseeker. enjoy…”. Not mad at you mr.quotee, but… dead wrong. Warrior and Thief need SO much help. Good players make it work, average/new players are CRUSHED. I know a few new players who rolled thief didn’t make it one week. Still have em on my follower list, haven’t logged in since. I have some from Dec 10th as well. Warriors stay usually. Says something? Of course, I could be making this up I guess. It is the internet o.o

Oh hey, a place to put my rework concepts <3
Deadly Arts- A focus on conditions via gaining benefits, adding conditions, or transferring conditions.
Minor: Stealing inflicts Poison. Downed abilities apply Poison. Poison applies Weakness.
Minor: Stealing deals damage (no crit) and heals.
Minor: Stealing transfers immobilize, cripple, chill, and slow applied to you to your target.
Adept Major: Dagger abilities apply poison. This now extends to Lotus Training, Distracting Daggers, Impairing Daggers, and Dagger Storm.
Adept Major: Weakened targets take more damage from you (condi and power).
Adept Major: When struck while above 5 stacks of bleeding, convert to a stack of Quick Venom I. The next enemy you strike receives 5 stacks of bleeding (your condi dmg, not the inflicters).
Master Major: Dagger auto attacks now apply torment. Dagger utilities and traits have a chance to apply torment (25%). Dagger abilities apply an extra stack of poison.
Master Major: Targets with a condition take more damage from you (condition and power) for each condition they have.
Master Major: When inflicted with 5 stacks of Poison, transfer to Quick Venom II. Your next attack on a target transfers those 5 stacks of Poison (scales on your condi dmg).
Grandmaster Major: Targets with both Poison and Torment gain Confusion when struck with Death Blossom.
Grandmaster Major: Targets at 50% hp take 25% more damage (condi dmg and power).
Grandmaster Major: When suffering from 3 or more debilitating conditions, the next time you are struck remove all damaging conditions and gain Quick Venom III. Your next attack on target foe applies 5 stacks of Confusion.

Sounds op right ^.^? That was the goal. I got more =D. I’d love to be THIS broken. Teach those evil dragonhunters a lesson once I get plague signet smashed by a Necro or condi bombed by a ranger/engineer. Might make those mean people think twice….

Okay, so maybe I am totally wrong. Why not allow recipes to complete faster then? If an item says “X/Y=Z” then why not have the system coded as an If-Then-Else statement?

If Recipe _some_random_name_
—————X>Y
Then Recipe_some_random_name_
—————If Player Check
——————————Yes
—————————— X/Y=Z
————— Else-Then
——————————Player check No
——————————————— X=1=Z
Else Recipe_some_random_name_
—————X=1=Z

X is player material
Y is cost material
Z is finish repeats

Honestly trying to figure it out, I don’t want to be rude- I just get tired clicking 1125 times every half hour when I figure out recipes to make money involving 4 products. Edited for coding clarity.

Welp, this means I’m not alone when I say I’m utter garbage and still somehow win matches >.> Am sure that I got carried tbh. Also, what about when we play Thief/Warrior (I’m sure Warrior will be a bit better off soon, but its much better than Thief =/ unfortunately)? >.> How do we fit in then knowing that we can beat someone for swapping classes? And then doing it?

I perceive I am better, prove I am better, therefore I am better? Yes? Honest question, you have me curious.

Bump in hope of response+ I mathed this one specifically.

2 clicks per item, 4 items total, and 1 click for forge. 9 clicks. 125 times. 1125 clicks. As opposed to just the 9 clicks because its a Mystic Forge Recipe. Any idea why this isn’t a thing? Any idea why it may take over 10 minutes for them to copy and paste the code from the crafting table to this?

That’s what happens as Thief. However the “best” trait set is DA/TR/DD. I personally do pistol/pistol shortbow all mid traits, and then a low cooldown (highest is 32) utility combo kill set. =) Just use your imagination, because at this point you shouldn’t win 1v1 on your Thief unless the enemy is utter garbage.

Idea: Give players break bars. Hear me out.

Each player has a breakbar, and stability enhances break-bar regen. Higher stack, higher regen. Thoughts?

Its just a small thing, but it would mean so much:

When you use the Mystic Forge/Toilet and you are mixing a masse of products together, you have to click over and over and over and over. If I’m mixing 250 charged cores, 125 crystalline dust, 125 elonian wines, and 125 mystic crystals- I don’t wanna click 125 times. One click works, its a legitimate recipe just like crafting. Thanks for reading, if you could implement this I’d be mighty appreciative.

P.S. I’m the reason that the recipe above is no longer profitable I spammed it for a bit. Trying to find the next big thing to make money out of.

Anet plzzzzzz =D, if not please say why?

I love red. Every time I stand in red circles someone gives me a candy bar =D

So Thief isn’t allowed to one shot…but you can on your Mesmer? Can you clarify the problem? I can count on one hand the amount of times a Thief/Daredevil has one shot me, and from Mesmer I need to take out a ledger with a tiny pin. You confuse me.

Nope, Thief can’t have nice things. Just pay up.

Perfect two to buff then: War and Guard. I mean, if DH is so balanced then the DH defenders KNOW these two classes are garbage? Just like the pro players admit as well as several people I know who have played as long as I have (hint, forever).