Guild Wars 2

Justin ODell.9517:

We’re working on this right now. Hopefully it will be available in the next PvP drop.

One thing to keep in mind is we perform matching based on a Glicko v2 rating, not player rank. So even though higher ranked players also tend to have a higher rating, it isn’t always the case.

@Cheri Wolf
I wrote a simulator to test several different ways of solving the problem, one of which is the way you suggested, so I’m glad we’re on the same page.

While that method improved things it also tends to weigh the match in favor of the first team. The current iteration we’re working on now is very similar, but greatly reduces the bias.

How about making a system that matches people the same way it works with picks on mobas?
so, a 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 example would become:
Team 1: 10, 7, 6, 3, 2 (28)
Team 2: 9, 8, 5, 4, 1 (27)

I don’t think you can get more balanced than this, honestly.

Flamfloz.6732:

DiogoSilva.7089:

The effort put by the ranger player was minimal, while the elementalist player had to go through hell to deal damage or to survive.
[…]
But what’s truly bad is how the consequences of the match were completely opposite to the level of skill play. The elementalist player had to work hard and was constantly under pressure, but because some mistakes were made, it died very easily. The ranger player pratically didn’t play at all, was mostly disabled, and had an easy victory.

This is ridiculous. This video is just ONE (bad) example of one fight (regardless of the skill of the players involved, everyone makes mistakes – more so if you are playing a difficult class, as you said yourself).

You could do exactly the same (silly) video where an Ele (who doesn’t even need to play, actually) kills a ranger by auto-casting Lava Tomb when the ele dies.
Because the ranger stands right in the middle of it and takes the full impact.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Lava_Tomb
“Look Ele is so OP – video shows I ranger died after I killed him… OMG!11!!! He didn’t even press a key!”.
Here is a template for people who want to do the same type of videos:
“Look [INSERT CLASS HERE] is OP because I have a crappy video of me playing [INSERT CLASS HERE] and he pulled that trick that will work once in a million times!”

If the Ele had kept a dodge or hadn’t run in the spirit at the end, he would have won that fight. During the fight, on the other hand, the Ranger was CCd for 3s and burst to death – with no possibility of reacting, he had very little chance to win that encounter.

It’s not a big stretch to imagine the outcome of that fight could easily be in the Ele’s favour – without changing anything to the ele and ranger builds shown in the video.

I bet that if we were to redo the same fight again and again between those two players, ele would win 80% of the fights.
So, “skilled ele who made a mistake” would win 80% of the time against “unskilled ranger”. This is working as intended.
(Oh, and if you don’t understand why an “unskilled” player should be able to win fights once in a million times by using some weird tricks, then please watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EitZRLt2G3w , at 2 min
)
This video proves nothing about anything. Just that you can have some “odd fights” using the existing mechanics, sometimes.
(on the other hand if someone dies to a CCd ranger consistently, they are probably a bad player and deserved to die in the first place)

Just pointing out one more time that people who scream at OP’d-ness or balance issues are using the wrong material to do this. I think everyone agrees that there are balance issues, and that ele is difficult to play, but this particular video is just not the proof of this.

TL;DR:
Just copy and paste this:
Nerf “Nature Vengeance”, this skill is OP.

Do you know the difference between downing your opponent while disabled (ranger’s pet and dead spirit proc), and downing your opponent after he has already downed you because you’re so stupid to STEP into the fire?

And, seriously, Lava Tomb….

Avead.5760:

Allie Murdock.8152:

xD

That’s a great mentality. You do realize that if there’s data that people like GW2 PvP, and it gets more popular, that it could = more resources? It’s cool though. If you don’t want to watch, you don’t have to.

Yes cause its the players fault they arent interested so you get no resources..
Is there any hidden quality that i miss in Anet as a company that their game’s playerbase has to put up with unfinished bad content?
Make it worthwile (get the resources) and people will come.
The players in general arent obliged to do anything..you just have to take that bet with spvp and invest

It’s a vicious circle. People not interested → less resources → even less people → even less resources, and so on XD

RaynStargaze.6510:

Erwin.5603:

low population

This si the issue nothing else.. cant fix that with gamechanges. If you make it scramble teams, players will qq on the forums cuz teammates are craaaaaaap as hell and winning becomes more rng.

Either way the game needs more players.

Also i met a guy the other day who said he doesnt play tourneys cuz he doesnt like all the waiting. Which i can totally understand tbh.

if you make mixed teams, both teams will have good players and bad players, regardless of low/high population
as it works now, one team will have all the better players, and the other team all the worse ones <— this issue will be made even more bad with a low population

Is it already that time of the month when LordOfWhine posts the list of things that he can’t deal with?

Fortus.6175:

What if brought up the elementalist from the bottom?

I believe the class in on the brink of being viable, only needing some relatively minor fixes to the arcane tree, allocation of traits so that it doesnt cut into our build, 40-60 points having to go into water/arcana is not exactly my definition of versatility. Given the latest AoE nerfs and how staff is still on such a horrible state I think that we can remove the learning wheels on AoE and give them a little more power, less telegraphed and more responsiveness and reliability. Lastly maybe you might want to reconsider the whole survivability of eles at the moment, we arent exactly very variable in our build if everyone has to resort to 2-3 cantrips and tnaky stats in order to perform on “decent” or at least equal level to other glass cannon builds who can forsake any kind of defense by simply having aegis/stealth/stealth&clones.

Sure you can say that we are getting our gimmick mechanic “conjures” buffed, but that doiesnt address our core issues, also, everyone is gettting buffed too, making it a powerlevel. This is a visual representation of whats happening;

n(<—ele) NNNNNNNN (everyone else)

After buff

N(<—ele) ÑÑÑÑÑÑÑÑ (everyone else)

buffing 1 class each patch to “bring it on par with the others” just increases the power creep.
It’s way better to balance by nerfing other OP things

If you can’t play elementalist maybe you might try something easier that doesn’t require both hands.

I don’t know, minesweeper?

Mesmer’s clones are meant to make targeting harder (it’s their kitten class mechanic), so that’s why they have the same priority as human players.

Tom Gore.4035:

Ryoki Hokishami.2756:

Shar.3402:

Games are too easy -> people complain that all it takes is to go afk autoattacking
Something that requiers a bit of effort appears -> people complain that it is too hard

geez.

A bit of effort? Only the best PVE server has killed him, and then couldn’t replicate it. People complain that he’s too hard because according to the data we have, he is too hard!

And the fact is after maybe 16 hours after the launch of the event, the data you’ve got is worth absolutely jack sh…

Exactly.
Also, if this data involves: 25% of the “raid” being afk on waypoint; 20% lying dead hoping for an hard res (in a fight with a strict timer, yeah dream on) instead of using those frigging waypoint and coming back; 20% spamming autoattacks and only 35% trying to do something useful (use cannons, defend cannons, stack and range dps him down using quickness elixirs)…
Of course the event is going to fail. Every. Time.

Morrigan.2809:

Lucyfer.9517:

Lmao for reward like this Anet can do it themselves from now on, i’ll pass on tequila.

this is why why can never have nice things, seriously.

Indeed. People don’t play for the challenge anymore. It’s all about the shiny effortless l00t

Dirame.8521:

Stx.4857:

I loath this map… when I do spvp, its just in a random join game, so when Im fighting to defend a node, I dont need some mega laser making my job nearly impossible.

Cant even count the number of 1v1 or 2v1’s ive been in and would have won if i hadnt been screwed by that laser.

Certain professions having iWin buttons when in the vicinity of the edge of the map isnt cool either. Nor are the glass floors, although those havent caused me much grief.

You can tell me to just “mind my surroundings” but the fact remains that this map favors certain classes/builds heavily over others, and I dont pvp to play against the terrain, I pvp to combat other players.

It’s all about positioning and if the other player can take advantage of your bad decisions or if you can take advantage of theirs. Every class has a way to knock or pull people off so, I don’t think it’s a big deal but I do believe the Skyhammer should be the one to break the flooring and the walls open for people to take advantage of those rather than people breaking it themselves.

Yeah, elementalists have the same number of abilities to knock people off as an engineer, necro or guardian. Whoever gets knocked out of the map by an Updraft should really stop playing this game, seriously.

Worst map ever is Capricorn btw (for the water of course)

Yeah, it’s so confusing having to choose that one single amulet with those 3 stats you need…
/facepalm

Because I enjoy playing it.
Weird, I know.

TDM will be fine as a fun-only hotjoin mode
As far as competitive play goes, Conquest is way better. King of the Hill could be fine as well.

milton.1796:

Killing someone 5+ times isn’t fun especially when the downed can use stealth/knockbacks and other abilities.

There is nothing more annoying than trying to finish off a downed guardian or a thief…

I usually just dps them down now instead of using the finisher BUT even then that takes too long to kill someone who is downed in that time someone can revive them.

If you have trouble stomping guardians while playing a mesmer, you might want to look at your F4 ability.

Downed state is fine.

Drafigo.4690:

Kultas- not sure what you where looking at but I don’t even see you in the top 275. Maybe I am missing something. I watch the boards regularly and I have seen what looks like it balancing out after the initial push. Looks pretty legit other then some go weeks with out playing and keep top 25 spots with no game play. but thats as fair as it gets really.

you might want to look at EU leaderboards…

Elementalist is fun (for me at least) thanks to the attunement swap system
If you can’t handle 4 weapon sets, go spam 1 on a spirit ranger.

JonathanSharp.7094:

Also, we want to be more transparent with balance, so we’re going to be posting a list of the things that we’re working on now, so that you guys can see balance changes earlier than usual.

I’ll post that in a bit, hopefully today.

this is good.

lol, nice bug.
brb in a year to grab n°1 spot.

Astralporing.1957:

Maybe make the locker not hold the skins, but rather unlock them in the manner similar to achievement skin rewards.

and to avoid crafting concern, make things not salvageable if you pick them up from the pvp locker (so you can only salvage stuff from chests)

I can’t facepalm hard enough…

Tolfast.6289:

Skyhammer belongs with Capricorn in hotjoin

soloQ would be almost fine, if SkyHammer weren’t in the map rotation.

If you want to lose the game, by all means don’t help your team mates
Those people have to learn that this is not a 1vs1 pvp game.

Yeah, WvW is so much fun…wait a sec while I oneshot people with my full berserker “insert burst class here”, then we can talk more about “balanced” and “fun builds”

Fishbait.6723:

“Elementalists only use one attunement, fire” J.Sharp 2013

LOL!

He was talking about pve elementalists…

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

there’s this new dire stats in pve / wvw

major: condition damage
minor: toughness, vitality

why is it not available yet in spvp?

because it would let you maximize both offensive and defensive stats, no other amulet allows you to do that.

It was always supposed to have that 10s cd, it’s just a bug fix.

Nuka Cola.8520:

Yes, everyone would be picking up the best traits but where is the problem in that? Right now you ‘may’ be forced to take stuff that isn’t very good or not needed because there’s nothing else you want in that tree. If we had free allocation of traits, we would be taking EXACTLY what you need/want and those traits no one uses could get an overhaul from devs because, well, they’re useless. I really don’t understand how could anyone deny this… its not like im asking this to be done for myself but everyone in the game. Build variety per class is below pathetic level when compared to gw1, just sayin.

Free trait allocation was possible in early beta, and it was unbalanced as kitten.

Imagine if you could take, on an elementalist, fresh air as a 10 point trait, or evasive arcana, or whatever.
Or dhuumfire for a necro
Or illusionary persona on mesmer
Or empathic bond on ranger
And the list could go on.

Welcome to the world of games where rank progression is based on time spent instead of player skill
Just like pretty much any other mmorpg (even Daoc was like that), at least here you don’t get extra powerful by doing such things (instead, you will get laughed at if you’re rank 70 and get utterly destroyed by a “legit” rank 20/30)

sorrow.2364:

Mesmers and Eles don’t need buffs. We have enough power creep already.

^
It’s other classes that needs nerfing.

Rerroll.9083:

bubberducky.3420:

Anet should just come forth and say there is no PvP team.

they could hire a french guy to pretend he is the pvp dev in the table

lol XD

a t s e.9614:

Why the broken necro is not getting fixed just why????
Its so overpowered he has 2 invul skills an extreme high defense and 3 fears wtf ? whats up with you arenanet? why u dont fix this i never had such a problem id rather get backstabbed by a thief for 15k and still manage damage him but necro how im supposed to kill? a invul skill that last like forever? a burst trough conditions higher than any other pwoer build out there WTF please fix it. Yea it looks like QQing but its really really broken its just riduclous . Even the spirit ranger that everybody calls OP its not OP at all it has many coounters but this necro thing seriously it needs an urgent fix.. if u wanna have high burst then u must have no defense pretty much like DD thieves. And increase those cooldowns on fears seriously i dont have 100000 stability utilities in my build why i have to use a build just to counter one class?
Its incredibly broken ts ridiculous

because 10 people out of the whole pvp community are competing for 10k $
screw the rest of the community, this game is made for that 0.1% population. (See Helseth’s rant “Fun vs Esports”)

If you dc 5 times in less than 3 days, and don’t reconnect, check you internet connection before making 4 more people lose matches (and rating) because you lag/dc.

Drama between top teams? I see no drama between TP/TC and TCG/Denial…

Get the first 10 people who queue and sort them in a 1-2-2-2-2-1 way based on ranking.
Or pool 20-30 people each time and sort them that way.

Whatever you do, it’s better than forming a team of 5 and then searching for another team (which may be much higher/lower rated, leading to unfair matches)

One would expect that all those issues with that map should be fixed before putting it into any rotation.

But again, it’s A.net we’re talking about.

Doulou Le Relou.9762:

It’s a sad joke.

Good luck to SYNC, CC don’t deserve to go to final with their despicable behavior.

I won’t watch the PAX final.

+1

CC should be also disqualified for the behaviour of some of their members the day after the finals.

Tyler Chapman.1832:

The roster will be hidden in Solo Q so this doesn’t happen.

Perfect.

Runes of Lyssa are fine.

@OP: could you stop asking for different nerfs every day? Thank you

If you’re already 4, just hop on anvil/desolation and get a random 5th…

Lian Olsam.9541:

Tyler Bearce.3427:

Character locking is also coming at the same time.

but when will be locked? cause should be a nice idea to have the possibility at beginning to switch character… for example if we r 3 bunker guardians what we gonna do? is not fun begin with this kind party…. i’d like to switch character at beginning for made a proper team…

I guess it will be locked when the match starts.

One of the 2 players he killed played the exact same class with the exact same tools (possibly the exact same spec), that was pure skill.

garethh.3518:

Arganthium.5638:

JonPeters.5630:

Look at that! https://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/releases/august-06-2013/

:)

Which says

PvP Solo Queue
Solo Arena matches allow you to get right into the action of PvP matches in a competitive environment without gathering a full team or finding yourself fighting against a pre-formed group. Solo Arena has its own leaderboard so players can earn rank without affecting their Team Arena standings.

Now, I don’t know about you guys, but I’m incredibly happy about this. SoloQ needed to be separated from Team queuing for a long time, and we finally got the change we wanted. Personally, I think that this is going to be a better indicator of how good a player is, not how good his/her team is. It’s also going to be a lot easier to just go join Solo Queue, without having to worry about ratings dropping off a cliff.

Ty Anetttttt <3

There needed to be a casual verse hardcore sort of queing.
That’s the core of the issue.

Solo queing being the casual probably wasn’t the best idea, but whatever… its not like mediocre ideas are new to this game.
Random groups of friends looking to mess around weren’t the issue and never will be… now they get punished… just what a game desperate for population needs…

If you think that soloQ will be casual, you’re in for a lot of pain I’m afraid…

butch.8136:

^W t f? They are gonna release the single most important feature…and you complain? We even get perma finishers, which is nice fluff.
We get particle magic.

We’re not there yet, but if you don’t think this is good? Then you’ll never be happy.

Number 1 rule of any mmorpg forum: people will always complain.

I don’t know who will be top of the ladder (I’m hoping for some volatility and less “i’ll get first place and then stop playing for a while”), but I’m sure it won’t be me :p

zone.1073:

Allie Murdock.8152:

The hitbox is the same.

Hitbox is the same, but information clarity is not the same.

Stuns and condition particle effects are less noticeable on Asuras because the particles scale with the size of the character model.

Also, harder to see crucial animation (think about guardian’s banish, for example)

Just lost a game that was pratically won, needed to hold 1 point to win, but hey, let’s just leave close point empty and go around the map, let the enemy cap it…
Kitten noobs -.-

Playing mid point bunker in a soloQ is so much fun, you end up being outnumbered all the kitten time with the enemy team having a dc…wtf -.-